How useful do you find the archers/barbs that drop from hero abilities?

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Originally Posted by omindar

I just wonder what people's thoughts are on the matter. To me it seems like they are useful if they buy your heroes more time or add to the overall dps of the raid.

On buying your Heroes time:
The BK doesn't vanish, so everything is still targeting him, so they don't buy him more time.
The AQ vanishes, but the archers still draw AoE fire so she is still getting hit by WT or Mortar- so they actually have her take more damage compared to her only having the vanish ability.

On adding to the DPS of the raid:
Triggering hero abilities is based on hasting your BK or keeping your AQ out of harms way (and, post-update, for her added magic arrows), not for the added troops. So you tend to trigger those abilities when the BK and AQ are in the midst of battle... surrounded by defensive buildings... mortars and WTs kill the barbs/archers so fast, they might get 2-3 seconds of dps in.

I get that, based on their names, archers and barbs are associated to them... but having the troops appear from their abilities isn't a huge boon. I would sacrifice all of those minions from deploying for just one more second of haste/vanish, but I doubt those minions are going anywhere... except to the grave once they appear in the middle of 2 mortars and a WT...

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I thought she was invincible while invisible? Does she really get hit by splash?

They are totally useless since to maximize the ability you need to hit it when they are under heavy fire. What they should do is just have all of the support troops appear immediately when you drop the heroes. LIke a hero entourage! That way at least they can help clear the path before they die.

Right now it's a total joke.

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Originally Posted by Mynamewastaken

I thought she was invincible while invisible? Does she really get hit by splash?

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Invisible, not invincible.

If you walk over a Giant Bomb while cloaked she will take damage, if she is near a Mortar blast she will take damage.

In any serious raid the archers and barbarians spawned form hero abilities are dead within 2-3 seconds. You wouldn't notice if they weren't there.

About the same usefulness of an air bomb (the red one) against a dragon.

I solely use my Heroes for TH sniping, therefore their abilities and minions assist my impatience to wait for a minute and also prevent my heroes from having too long to regenerate.

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Originally Posted by Terrexteam

I solely use my Heroes for TH sniping, therefore their abilities and minions assist my impatience to wait for a minute and also prevent my heroes from having too long to regenerate.

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I use my BK to snipe halls at times too. Even with double the barbs it still takes more hits than it used to...

The barbs from the King from my experience are actually not bad when dealing with multi infernos. With the nerf, they don't do as much dmg and take longer to kill the barbs. This actually gave me enough time for my wizards stay alive and kill another building for the 50% on a clan war raid.

The Queen's archers are somewhat useful when mopping up the outside buildings where there are point defense scattered. The BK's is not so much since nowadays you have to use his ability when he is taking heavy fire and his barbs die to splash quickly. I suppose they can help a bit if the BK is cleaning up the outside...but then again he probably wasn't used correctly if he is being used like that.

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Originally Posted by omindar

I just wonder what people's thoughts are on the matter. To me it seems like they are useful if they buy your heroes more time or add to the overall dps of the raid.

On buying your Heroes time:
The BK doesn't vanish, so everything is still targeting him, so they don't buy him more time.
The AQ vanishes, but the archers still draw AoE fire so she is still getting hit by WT or Mortar- so they actually have her take more damage compared to her only having the vanish ability.

On adding to the DPS of the raid:
Triggering hero abilities is based on hasting your BK or keeping your AQ out of harms way (and, post-update, for her added magic arrows), not for the added troops. So you tend to trigger those abilities when the BK and AQ are in the midst of battle... surrounded by defensive buildings... mortars and WTs kill the barbs/archers so fast, they might get 2-3 seconds of dps in.

I get that, based on their names, archers and barbs are associated to them... but having the troops appear from their abilities isn't a huge boon. I would sacrifice all of those minions from deploying for just one more second of haste/vanish, but I doubt those minions are going anywhere... except to the grave once they appear in the middle of 2 mortars and a WT...

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They are somewhat useful up until your facing TH10's with inferno towers. After that they basically might as well not even be there.