STATS on the Decreases for Level 40 Heros Old to New!

I'm too lazy to impliment so graphs here, and if you don't believe what you are about to read, you have not checked the stats:

The only decreases in hero stats, when you look at lvl 40 heroes from old-new, and you take into consideration that the hero abilities are used TO THE FULL EFFECT, the only thing that decreased were:

Level 40 Heroes Old to New: Decreases in Stats:

1. Archer Queen's health (-600 (approximate) (when ability used))
2. Barbarian King DPS (-312 without ability)
3. Slight decrease in Archer Queen DPS (-37 without ability)
4. Royal Cloak ability 1 second shorter

That was all that was changed. Just wanted to throw those stats out there because it seems that some people either didn't know or exaggerated changes to heroes. Sorry for being annoying on this topic, I am only trying to express/defend my opinions, maybe change yours (but I am not asking you.)

Don't forget about the INCREASES level 40 heros got, which nobody seems to care about.

I'm also going to put the increases cause I can:

1. Archer Queen DPS (+782 when ability used)
2. Barbarian King health (+444 when ability used)
3. Archer Queen summons 2 more units and Barbarian King summons 10 more.
4. Barbarian King health is higher than old BK health for levels 1-40 (when ability used)

This made me laugh:

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Originally Posted by tomasaki

They now call it the Foam Fist skill! :p

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Thats it! as if was little...

Do you really need multiple threads for the same damn topic?

IDK why you say "that's it"...that's pretty significant lol I'm not going to downplay the change to the heroes - for better or for worse, it's here & done - but the change to BK in particular is dramatic and I can see the difference in my own (not maxed heroes) raiding AND especially in the failed raids of players using L30+ on my base. AQ change IMO is not a dramatic an impact, and I'm using her pretty much (and as effectively) as I did pre-update.

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Originally Posted by Legoking2000

Do you really need multiple threads for the same damn topic?

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Each one is different. I've posted 4 about this, they all contain different content yet on this subject. If you don't like them ignore me, my posts, and my threads. End of Story.

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Originally Posted by Wafflesaregoodforyou

I'm too lazy to impliment so graphs here, and if you don't believe what you are about to read, you have not checked the stats:

The only decreases in hero stats, when you look at lvl 40 heroes from old-new, and you take into consideration that the hero abilities are used TO THE FULL EFFECT, the only thing that decreased were:

Level 40 Heroes Old to New: Decreases in Stats:

1. Archer Queen's health (-600 (approximate) (when ability used))
2. Barbarian King DPS (-312 without ability)
3. Slight decrease in Archer Queen DPS (-37 without ability)
THAT'S IT!

That was all that was changed. Just wanted to throw those stats out there because it seems that some people either didn't know or exaggerated changes to heroes. Sorry for being annoying on this topic, I am only trying to express/defend my opinions, maybe change yours (but I am not asking you.)

Don't forget about the INCREASES level 40 heros got, which nobody seems to care about.

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The difference is the drastic decrease in damage after level 15 or so, the cost and regen time is ridiculous for the 3-4 dps gained per level.

The difference isn't max heroes, a ton of people didn't have max heroes, but almost everyone had varying levels of heroes, which now makes it not nearly as important to level them up past a certain point.

Their regen time has to be reduced for the high level heroes to be worth it, so while saying "that's it!" is fine and all, it doesn't come close to explaining the way this affects the reason to spend so much DE/time on heroes anymore.

Once the AQ is level 15, it begins going downhill quickly in dps/health increase vs time to regen, the king is the same but starts a bit sooner.

It's not the damage/health that's the problem really, it's that the regen time and costs are massive compared to the incremental increases now.

But you said so yourself, it's the same subject. You don't need multiple threads, just add to your initial post of the thousands of other threads you've made. You're pushing down other topics that might actually not be pointless.

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I see why everyone is mad about the king and kind of ok with the archer queen. Those are some large nerfs.

(about SSofjetslife post)

About OP, haven't enough people posted this couldn't you post them there? and just put all the ideas on the heroes into one thread gets more people to look and comment.

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Originally Posted by Wafflesaregoodforyou

I'm too lazy to impliment so graphs here, and if you don't believe what you are about to read, you have not checked the stats:

The only decreases in hero stats, when you look at lvl 40 heroes from old-new, and you take into consideration that the hero abilities are used TO THE FULL EFFECT, the only thing that decreased were:

Level 40 Heroes Old to New: Decreases in Stats:

1. Archer Queen's health (-600 (approximate) (when ability used))
2. Barbarian King DPS (-312 without ability)
3. Slight decrease in Archer Queen DPS (-37 without ability)

That was all that was changed. Just wanted to throw those stats out there because it seems that some people either didn't know or exaggerated changes to heroes. Sorry for being annoying on this topic, I am only trying to express/defend my opinions, maybe change yours (but I am not asking you.)

Don't forget about the INCREASES level 40 heros got, which nobody seems to care about.

I'm also going to put the increases cause YOLO:

1. Archer Queen DPS (+782 when ability used)
2. Barbarian King health (+435 when ability used)

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Wow... And supercell calls it "damage specialist and tank specialist" its a nerd guys...

Thanks JetLife for posting those graphs but the graphs do not include the health increases from the abilities.

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

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This was great, thanks for sharing...the DPS graph explains why i haven't noticed much change to AQ post update (mine is L19).

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Thats awesome!
thanks for sharing.

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Wow. That's horribly shocking. 😦

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Well done, nice to see it in this form. And now I have I think the changes look pretty reasonable.

They now call it the Foam Fist skill! :p

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Originally Posted by Wafflesaregoodforyou

Thanks JetLife for posting those graphs but the graphs do not include the health increases from the abilities.

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The health increse for the king is 444 if you count his ability
I am not sure about the health increse for the queen

The graphs are a great way to see why you shouldn't waste your time on the AQ after level 20, and the King? lol.

Does nobody notice the ability time of AQ has been reduced or isn't that remarkable to you:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by blackdragon

Does nobody notice the ability time of AQ has been reduced or isn't that remarkable to you:rolleyes:

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It's mentioned in my beginning thread post lol

this would have made me quit if i had heroes but i don't sooooooo..

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Originally Posted by Liderc

The graphs are a great way to see why you shouldn't waste your time on the AQ after level 20, and the King? lol.

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Wow. you're right. Lvl 20 AQ has about 500 HP less than lvl 40 AQ. That will probably keep the AQ alive for less than 5 seconds during a TH10 attack -- the DPS difference between those levels is almost meaningless given how long she'll be participating in battle; 5 seconds won't matter much.

I'm still not sure how I feel about that patch. As the owner of a lvl 20 AQ, the "nerf" has not really impacted how i used my AQ at all. I guess I did have issues with raged max heroes effectively going from a 1-star attack to a 2-star attack by themselves, but it still seems heavy-handed.

perhaps SC is using the old "super-nerf followed by retracting the nerf a bit" so that all the complainers complain less? maybe we'll see a small buff of heroes in the coming weeks... who knows?

Thanks OP for the information, however, there is one thing I would like to point out:

if you are calculating such difference with consideration of hero ability, why not also take the effect of rage spell, which is generally used with heroes, into consideration when you treat the old heroes, I believe the increase part of your conclusion will be less significant..

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Originally Posted by deifieduandi

Thanks OP for the information, however, there is one thing I would like to point out:

if you are calculating such difference with consideration of hero ability, why not also take the effect of rage spell, which is generally used with heroes, into consideration when you treat the old heroes, I believe the increase part of your conclusion will be less significant..

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Meh I'm too lazy to do that :p

So the king's DPS was slashed by about 60%? Jonas said that the king can take more hits than ever before, but his total health is still down even a few hundred if you use the iron fist...

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Originally Posted by Wafflesaregoodforyou

Meh I'm too lazy to do that :p

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Well, you seem very diligent to me......on the topic of embracing the change of heroes, at least stating the biased fact in which your thread title made huge illusion.

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Originally Posted by Wafflesaregoodforyou

It's mentioned in my beginning thread post lol

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I thought it was 8 secs to 5 secs. Was too lazy to remember the stats

To the OP, another part that your'e neglecting is that the old lvl 40 hero had his dps stats the whole time, whereas the new one only gets them for a few seconds during his ability. So even if the health were identical and he stayed alive for the exact same amount of time, the overall damage put out is massively reduced and the time that BK stays alive is much shorter.

Right or wrong, the old lvl 40 BK could take a max base raid from 35% to over 50% almost by himself, but the new BK has to w♥♥♥♥ away on each building for twice the amount of time so he takes more damage in the same amount of time due to the time it takes him to knock down buildings.

Obviously it's hard to calculate that difference, but it's tremendous and all calculates into the Nerf Bat effect.

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The difference is the drastic decrease in damage after level 15 or so, the cost and regen time is ridiculous for the 3-4 dps gained per level.

The difference isn't max heroes, a ton of people didn't have max heroes, but almost everyone had varying levels of heroes, which now makes it not nearly as important to level them up past a certain point.

Their regen time has to be reduced for the high level heroes to be worth it, so while saying "that's it!" is fine and all, it doesn't come close to explaining the way this affects the reason to spend so much DE/time on heroes anymore.

Once the AQ is level 15, it begins going downhill quickly in dps/health increase vs time to regen, the king is the same but starts a bit sooner.

It's not the damage/health that's the problem really, it's that the regen time and costs are massive compared to the incremental increases now.

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Exatly + my bk can t even destroy a th in cw (if hes my last unit full ho 1 xbow shooting him) before update he would trash the th in 3 -4 hits now wow it takes about 6?
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aq was perfect she needed more hp in my opinion not a nerf in hitpoints

This is a huge debate... yes, the heroes wsre nerfed, so just find a way to attack not being so reliant on your heroes, its that simple. The level 40 heroes were too powerful so you could just throw them out there, now you have to use strategy. It makes the game more interesting.

Sorry didn't read all and didn't want to start a new thread, question is should I upgrade my heroes? Atm lvl 10 n 11 almost max th9 was gonna do walls n heroes for this th.

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You failed to include both the AQ and BK's hit points after their abilities are used.

EDIT: Not saying you should add them because it probably takes a butt-load of work.

Does anyone else see the nerf to heroes as the harbinger of new hero levels? (Ie- 50)

With the amount of maxed th10's currently in game it seems reasonable to expect a th11 coming soon(ish). I can't imagine the loco power an old school hero would have at level 50. Hence the nerf to make some room for new levels without being totally OP.

Just a thought that hasn't seen much air time here. Have seen a couple comments but no real ideas about this.

Your thoughts?

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Does anyone else see the nerf to heroes as the harbinger of new hero levels? (Ie- 50)

With the amount of maxed th10's currently in game it seems reasonable to expect a th11 coming soon(ish). I can't imagine the loco power an old school hero would have at level 50. Hence the nerf to make some room for new levels without being totally OP.

Just a thought that hasn't seen much air time here. Have seen a couple comments but no real ideas about this.

Your thoughts?

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After nerfing heroes because they are "too powerful" for the game then bringing out level 50 heroes, would be disgusting money making tactic and immoral of supercell. Basically selling your own stuff back to you at a massive price.

Think a lot of players will say a big ♥♥♥♥ you and quit the game if/when that happens.

It seems to me that they would implement a system similar to other unnamed CoC-like apps:

They will probably offer a few more new heroes, and let you choose one or two to use at a time.

For demonstrations sake: say they offer a new hero named goblin king (all I could think of atm).

You could raid with any combination of two heroes you like. Likewise, any you could choose any
two heroes to defend you base, while the other hero gets left out.

That's the only thing I could see SC doing with heroes. Just a guess, but that's what other games
have done.

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It seems to me that they would implement a system similar to other unnamed CoC-like apps:

They will probably offer a few more new heroes, and let you choose one or two to use at a time.

For demonstrations sake: say they offer a new hero named goblin king (all I could think of atm).

You could raid with any combination of two heroes you like. Likewise, any you could choose any
two heroes to defend you base, while the other hero gets left out.

That's the only thing I could see SC doing with heroes. Just a guess, but that's what other games
have done.

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I would enjoy that feature.

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Originally Posted by Chuckwagon12

You failed to include both the AQ and BK's hit points after their abilities are used.

EDIT: Not saying you should add them because it probably takes a butt-load of work.

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I'd be curious to see that graph myself, but it's really hard to use that for comparison because it's a situational type deployment with hero abilities. For example, you may have a BK get to the TH unmolested that you have to hit the ability prior to him taking any damage in order to get the DPS buff which would negate any health benefit.
Other times the BK may be way outside the base and you have to hit his ability to get him to the center quickly which also negates the health benefit.

With the AQ I know the total HP is still significantly lower and the BK is fairly close across the board, but only if you use the ability at a specific time after half his damage is gone. At that time, all your pekka's or witches on a high end attack may be dead with two IT's and 3 xbows bearing down on BK, and the health infusion is too late to matter.

The important distinction is the old BK had the full health from beginning to end as well as the DPS. Then his ability gave him a massive DPS boost, which was far greater than the new BK and his health was unaffected. So, you could use the ability early or late depending on the situation.

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You failed to include both the AQ and BK's hit points after their abilities are used.

EDIT: Not saying you should add them because it probably takes a butt-load of work.

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I didn't make the graphs. If I did I would have had that info. But the OP included that in his post. From my experiences the tiny increase in total hp is insignificant at best.

And then you have the fact regeneration has been slaughtered as well.

It is a mammoth nerf.

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You failed to include both the AQ and BK's hit points after their abilities are used.

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Lets be honest the main issue for the people that are lvl 10+ with heroes is that the cost of d.e is not worth it and lets not forget eatch lvl = more time regenerate so once they lower the cost and time they will get less complaint but for the ones that gemmed their heroes they should receive something idk 200$ gems or their money back or they get update earlier then us i really don t know .... Gl sc

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Lets be honest the main issue for the people that are lvl 10+ with heroes is that the cost of d.e is not worth it and lets not forget eatch lvl = more time regenerate so once they lower the cost and time they will get less complaint but for the ones that gemmed their heroes they should receive something idk 200$ gems or their money back or they get update earlier then us i really don t know .... Gl sc

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??? what are you talking about. If they decrease the cost of the heros, the forum would explode in anger with people like me who worked so hard to farm all that DE. Most casual players who have low level heros aren't even on the forum or care so much about the game...

On top of all, gemmers would be ♥♥♥♥ the hell off if they decrease the cost on them. SC wouldn't just hand them refunded money or gems. And its much more than 200 dollars by the way.

On the other end, I do agree with you that it isn't worth upgrading at the current DE cost for players who have heros around the low level range. They need to balance them a bit more, making them slightly stronger for the higher level heros imo.

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bravo, excellent work. shows the changes to hero stats perfectly

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??? what are you talking about. If they decrease the cost of the heros, the forum would explode in anger with people like me who worked so hard to farm all that DE. Most casual players who have low level heros aren't even on the forum or care so much about the game...

On top of all, gemmers would be ♥♥♥♥ the hell off if they decrease the cost on them. SC wouldn't just hand them refunded money or gems. And its much more than 200 dollars by the way.

On the other end, I do agree with you that it isn't worth upgrading at the current DE cost for players who have heros around the low level range. They need to balance them a bit more, making them slightly stronger for the higher level heros imo.

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Personally, I don't mind farming the DE, the thing I hate is the long upgrade time where you can't use your heroes. I think SC needs to figure out a better way to do the upgrade times as opposed to about fifteen 7 day upgrades :/. Also with the new update, the regen time is pretty bad for high lvl heroes. But yeah, it's hard to change the heroes now because so many people have maxed them or spent money on them. I also agree that the higher lvl heroes need to be a bit more powerful. For with a lvl 10 BK, before the update I looked forward to getting high lvl heroes and smashing bases with them. Now, based on the feedback from higher lvl players, the heroes are kind of weak.

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Unbelievable... Way to big stats decrease

I don't think you can understand how crippled we feel with our heroes after all the effort (or gems for other players) with this update. Definitely not, in your case whereby your combined heroes levels is only 20. Mine is 64, and i can tell u they really sucks now :(

PS: Nice graphs in ♥♥'s post. The significant drop in stats together with our efforts (and money in some cases) are clearly shown already.

Cheers~

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??? what are you talking about. If they decrease the cost of the heros, the forum would explode in anger with people like me who worked so hard to farm all that DE. Most casual players who have low level heros aren't even on the forum or care so much about the game...

On top of all, gemmers would be ♥♥♥♥ the hell off if they decrease the cost on them. SC wouldn't just hand them refunded money or gems. And its much more than 200 dollars by the way.

On the other end, I do agree with you that it isn't worth upgrading at the current DE cost for players who have heros around the low level range. They need to balance them a bit more, making them slightly stronger for the higher level heros imo.

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The change in cost will occur sooner or later, once they introduce more heroes levels (which is likely with the current nerf)