Opt out of clan wars

As a leader of a clan it has become increasingly difficult to lead with the addition of clan wars. Some members want to war constantly, some occasionally and some never! I have read about having a war clan and a non war clan etc but with 3 clans already this is a real chore.

it would be great if before a war was started that each member could opt in or out and then the for the clan to get matched with a clan the size of those opted in. This would make leadership a whole lot easier as it would then allow harmony to once again return to my clan!

Apologies if a thread already exists for this.

Great idea. It's not a problem with my clan as all of us want to battle non-stop and anyone new that joins gets booted real quick if they dont:p... But i see the usefulness and would probably end up using it

There is not a thread that exists for this, I think there are hundreds of threads like this....

That said, I still don´t like it for the simple reason that your clan should just not go into war before you checked if everyone is ready. And the problem you descrbe with different members having different needs in one clan, well, you know, those should just not be in the same clan or they should compromise. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by mcleo

There is not a thread that exists for this, I think there are hundreds of threads like this....

That said, I still don´t like it for the simple reason that your clan should just not go into war before you checked if everyone is ready. And the problem you descrbe with different members having different needs in one clan, well, you know, those should just not be in the same clan or they should compromise. Just my opinion.

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It isnt really your clans choice whether or not you go to war. As a clan you can decide to wait but you will just get randomly pulled into a war anyway. You dont have the option to decline a war... So whether every one is ready or not its just not up to you.
On a side note i farm nonstop even during battle day. Clan wars hasnt slowed me down one bit. If you're doing it right you should be able to have enough elixer to build your war armies, donate war troops and still have all five builders going nonstop. Just work on your farming techniques.
sorry if i sound like a huge a$$hole for pointing that out

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

It isnt really your clans choice whether or not you go to war. As a clan you can decide to wait but you will just get randomly pulled into a war anyway. You dont have the option to decline a war... So whether every one is ready or not its just not up to you.
On a side note i farm nonstop even during battle day. Clan wars hasnt slowed me down one bit. If you're doing it right you should be able to have enough elixer to build your war armies, donate war troops and still have all five builders going nonstop. Just work on your farming techniques.
sorry if i sound like a huge a$$hole for pointing that out

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Again . . . copied and pasted from on of the other 100 threads on this topic.

I still don't like this on a very basic level. You have people who can't participate this war? Guess what, the other clan probably does too. This is self balancing. I also declare shenanigans on not having enough time to participate in the wars because of time. It takes 20 minutes to get in two attacks spread over 48 hours. If that does not qualify as casual gaming I am not sure what does. So what does this leave us with as the core problem? In my opinion it is players who have different interests, which is a symptom of the staggering difficulty of finding a clan that matches your play style and interests. Because it is so difficult to recruit players and/or find a clan that is a good match for you we end up with lots of clans that are a mix of play styles and leaders who don't want to stir the pot by enforcing what they want.

Now before you disregard what I said as me being a big jerk you should understand that I have the same issue in my clan. We have real life friends who often do not participate which makes it difficult to win some of our wars. While this is a bummer it is a conscious decision we make. On one side we WANT to be a strong war clan. On the other hand we WANT to have casual members. Guess what . . . you can't have both and SC certainly should NOT make weaker clans artificially stronger just to make them as powerful as strong clans who work to be that strong. They put in the extra effort that your (and my) clan are unwilling to commit to. We are weaker than them by CHOICE! Again, this choice is exacerbated by the lack of clan searching/recruiting tools available but it is a choice we have made and that is on us.

If we remove the whole "manage your clan better" argument we still have the glaring issue of game balance that everybody seems to ignore when they post this request. There are just as many threads started here to complain about how unfair the war matchmaking system already is. Can you imagine how much worse it will be when your 20 member clan gets matched up against the 20 best members that were hand picked out of a 40 member clan to be allowed to participate in a 20v20 war?

As a clan leader myself, I run into the same issue as the OP. I constantly find myself pushing, pleading and begging my clan members to attack so those of us that enjoy the clan wars can win, but usually only get about 50% participation. If the non-war members could opt out, it would make the success percentage much better. I would rather have 50% of my clan opt out and go into a war with 25 hardcore battle-hardened clan members than take a 50-member clan into a war and get poor participation. And I don't want to kick non-warring members just because they don't want to participate.

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

Great idea. It's not a problem with my clan as all of us want to battle non-stop and anyone new that joins gets booted real quick if they dont:p... But i see the usefulness and would probably end up using it

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I think the idea above is a great one. It would also be great if a user could mark himself as a non-war guy by default.... we have a some smaller accounts that just pull us down due to lack of interest.

jdubya.... Sounds like fun. What clan are you in?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

Great idea. It's not a problem with my clan as all of us want to battle non-stop and anyone new that joins gets booted real quick if they dont:p... But i see the usefulness and would probably end up using it

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Sounds like they were not a good fit for your clan and needed to be booted. This just helped you identify the problem sooner.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Again . . . copied and pasted from on of the other 100 threads on this topic.

I still don't like this on a very basic level. You have people who can't participate this war? Guess what, the other clan probably does too. This is self balancing. I also declare shenanigans on not having enough time to participate in the wars because of time. It takes 20 minutes to get in two attacks spread over 48 hours. If that does not qualify as casual gaming I am not sure what does. So what does this leave us with as the core problem? In my opinion it is players who have different interests, which is a symptom of the staggering difficulty of finding a clan that matches your play style and interests. Because it is so difficult to recruit players and/or find a clan that is a good match for you we end up with lots of clans that are a mix of play styles and leaders who don't want to stir the pot by enforcing what they want.

Now before you disregard what I said as me being a big jerk you should understand that I have the same issue in my clan. We have real life friends who often do not participate which makes it difficult to win some of our wars. While this is a bummer it is a conscious decision we make. On one side we WANT to be a strong war clan. On the other hand we WANT to have casual members. Guess what . . . you can't have both and SC certainly should NOT make weaker clans artificially stronger just to make them as powerful as strong clans who work to be that strong. They put in the extra effort that your (and my) clan are unwilling to commit to. We are weaker than them by CHOICE! Again, this choice is exacerbated by the lack of clan searching/recruiting tools available but it is a choice we have made and that is on us.

If we remove the whole "manage your clan better" argument we still have the glaring issue of game balance that everybody seems to ignore when they post this request. There are just as many threads started here to complain about how unfair the war matchmaking system already is. Can you imagine how much worse it will be when your 20 member clan gets matched up against the 20 best members that were hand picked out of a 40 member clan to be allowed to participate in a 20v20 war?

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On that last point: even if it were the 20 best members from a team that chose to participate, you would still only be paired up with a clan that has the same "overall" defensive stats and troop strength. Now I realize that some matchmaking may seem unfair but if you take a step back and look objectively at your rivals you will see that MOST matches are pretty even and come down to offensive strategy and CC donations.

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Originally Posted by hayedid

I think the idea above is a great one. It would also be great if a user could mark himself as a non-war guy by default.... we have a some smaller accounts that just pull us down due to lack of interest.

jdubya.... Sounds like fun. What clan are you in?

Thanks.

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My clan is called EARN IT
my clash name is Nemesis
Just send us a request to join. I think we have over 25 wins now :)

Before we start a new clan war search, we kick same low level members, once we start the war, we invite them back.. This is kinda stupid...

Kicking out members out before starting clan war and inviting them back. ok, I have to do this. Takes time (my time!!!) to organize this! Why?! My clan would fight more wars if we would have acceptable options!
- opt-in is good (and necessary)
- set a self status "farming" (or so) is much better (no swords for these guys)

I expect some solutions from Supercell. Don't waste the (spare) time of the leaders!

I'm Invader Gir, Leader of ANBU Elite.

Before the War update our sole issue was donations, because that was the sole benefit of joining a clan. We set donation minimums, we sent warnings to those not near those minimums after one week, then we kicked those who failed to meet them WITHOUT SAYING WHY. We're not monsters; all we need is a "sorry guys, busy this week" and we know you're still playing the game. It's people who do nothing and say nothing you want to kick. Dead weight.

Once we decided we were going to be a warring clan, we faced a similar problem. People did nothing and said nothing. We lost 4 wars in a row. So we mandated 2 attacks in 2 weeks, and started kicking people who didn't participate. We won the next 6 wars in a row.

Another way we make wars easier on the clan is to start them at the same time every week--like clockwork. Everyone in the clan knows that war starts Friday evening, prep Saturday, battle Sunday. No one is surprised by war, and those who know they can't pick up the game during that time speak up--again, we need to know the difference between "busy" and "desertion."

So. One war a week. The people who didn't like it left, the people who wouldn't do it got kicked. So far, this has won us a lot of wars. We're 10-2 since this started: Those two losses had us horribly outmatched: we have two Town Hall 10s, they had EIGHT.

Fun fact: About half of those wins had us against superior opponents. How'd we win? We participated, they didn't. I spent an hour wondering why that Town Hall 10 didn't even bother getting 2-stars on me. I'm a 9, it would have been easy. We won that war 87-86. And anyone who makes my clan lose like that is getting kicked.

I agree, I'm part of a war clan. I love wars, they're great. But sometimes I'd like to just focus on trophies for a while. It would be nice not to worry about training troops for multiplayer attacks and war attacks. Too costly. Sometimes people need breaks, in my clan, as a war ends they start a new one.

Anyways good idea :)

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Originally Posted by InvaderGir

I'm Invader Gir, Leader of ANBU Elite.

Before the War update our sole issue was donations, because that was the sole benefit of joining a clan. We set donation minimums, we sent warnings to those not near those minimums after one week, then we kicked those who failed to meet them WITHOUT SAYING WHY. We're not monsters; all we need is a "sorry guys, busy this week" and we know you're still playing the game. It's people who do nothing and say nothing you want to kick. Dead weight.

Once we decided we were going to be a warring clan, we faced a similar problem. People did nothing and said nothing. We lost 4 wars in a row. So we mandated 2 attacks in 2 weeks, and started kicking people who didn't participate. We won the next 6 wars in a row.

Another way we make wars easier on the clan is to start them at the same time every week--like clockwork. Everyone in the clan knows that war starts Friday evening, prep Saturday, battle Sunday. No one is surprised by war, and those who know they can't pick up the game during that time speak up--again, we need to know the difference between "busy" and "desertion."

So. One war a week. The people who didn't like it left, the people who wouldn't do it got kicked. So far, this has won us a lot of wars. We're 10-2 since this started: Those two losses had us horribly outmatched: we have two Town Hall 10s, they had EIGHT.

Fun fact: About half of those wins had us against superior opponents. How'd we win? We participated, they didn't. I spent an hour wondering why that Town Hall 10 didn't even bother getting 2-stars on me. I'm a 9, it would have been easy. We won that war 87-86. And anyone who makes my clan lose like that is getting kicked.

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supercell shold do something like when u donate 50 it gives u a gem

There's certainly lots of ways you can try to manage the clan to fit whatever the leaders want, but that doesn't in my book negate the advantages of having an opt-in/opt-out button. I don't think it should be for every war, should just be a persistent toggle you could put on your clan castle that can be flipped. If it's set to opt-out and the clan declares war, you're not included, and everybody wins.

There are instances where you may want to be in a clan b/c say you have friends there or just generally like most things with the clan, but simply don't want to go to war for any of a variety of reasons (focusing on farming/upgrading, going out of town/won't have much service, simply don't want to for that time).

Offering the option allows for better wars (can't win or lose simply because of participation as often), better mix of clans (have a bunch of friends you want to clan with but have different schedules), and offers the best of all worlds for everybody.

I understand people saying they have ways to manage it, and you are able to work the system as it currently is to your advantage, but I don't see how having this opt-in button could be a bad thing. It just allows for more flexibility.

Hell if you really wanted to keep things as they are you could set the clan up with the ability to offer this option or not. When the clan is created could have the option to force everyone into whatever wars, or to give them the choice. Again, a simple toggle and everyone wins.

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Originally Posted by InvaderGir

I'm Invader Gir, Leader of ANBU Elite.

Before the War update our sole issue was donations, because that was the sole benefit of joining a clan. We set donation minimums, we sent warnings to those not near those minimums after one week, then we kicked those who failed to meet them WITHOUT SAYING WHY. We're not monsters; all we need is a "sorry guys, busy this week" and we know you're still playing the game. It's people who do nothing and say nothing you want to kick. Dead weight.

Once we decided we were going to be a warring clan, we faced a similar problem. People did nothing and said nothing. We lost 4 wars in a row. So we mandated 2 attacks in 2 weeks, and started kicking people who didn't participate. We won the next 6 wars in a row.

Another way we make wars easier on the clan is to start them at the same time every week--like clockwork. Everyone in the clan knows that war starts Friday evening, prep Saturday, battle Sunday. No one is surprised by war, and those who know they can't pick up the game during that time speak up--again, we need to know the difference between "busy" and "desertion."

So. One war a week. The people who didn't like it left, the people who wouldn't do it got kicked. So far, this has won us a lot of wars. We're 10-2 since this started: Those two losses had us horribly outmatched: we have two Town Hall 10s, they had EIGHT.

Fun fact: About half of those wins had us against superior opponents. How'd we win? We participated, they didn't. I spent an hour wondering why that Town Hall 10 didn't even bother getting 2-stars on me. I'm a 9, it would have been easy. We won that war 87-86. And anyone who makes my clan lose like that is getting kicked.

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We war more often than you do, but this is exactly what I have been talking about. If you don't like the way your clan members play . . . find a new clan! One that you fit in. If somebody doesn't fit in your clan, boot them and find somebody who does. It really is that simple. If you are not dedicated to winning, expect to loose sometimes and enjoy the clan members you have for what they are. The correct answer to this is a much better clan search and/or member recruitment interface so players of similar interests can find each other.

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

On that last point: even if it were the 20 best members from a team that chose to participate, you would still only be paired up with a clan that has the same "overall" defensive stats and troop strength. Now I realize that some matchmaking may seem unfair but if you take a step back and look objectively at your rivals you will see that MOST matches are pretty even and come down to offensive strategy and CC donations.

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Thank you for being the first person to actually take the time to consider and try to counter this point. For now I don't know how wars are truly matched. I have found no actual information about how strength is calculated and what ranges are paired against each other. My guess is recalculating strength for matchups based on who was hand picked instead of the clan would involve some reprogramming beyond just the interface to do the selecting. As you might expect, I feel there are many more important improvements and simple features that are more deserving of the developers time than this. You are right though that it could be partially solved with reprogramming of the match making logic. But only partially. This brings us to huge problem #2.

The clan that wants a better war record who only lets the bottom 20 of their superpower clan participate. Then your 20 person dedicated but growing war clan gets matched up with them to find out that the clan castles they are attacking with are full of max level dragons, witches, vals and whatever overpowered troops they may have been selectively fed to ensure your clan's destruction. It will opens the door up to all sorts of exploits that while still possible today are time consuming and irritating to make happen, and that is a good thing. The fact is that the strength of your clan is the total of ALL of your clan members. Again, "Clan War" is not the same thing as "Some-members Skirmish".

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

It isnt really your clans choice whether or not you go to war. As a clan you can decide to wait but you will just get randomly pulled into a war anyway. You dont have the option to decline a war... So whether every one is ready or not its just not up to you.

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Are you serious? How would getting involved in war not be a choice. Last time I checked the app I needed to first tap the button to go to the war screen, read the text where it asks: you clan ready? and then I had to hit the search button.
There is no way I can get into a war without tapping those buttons so you are never, never, ever evr dragged into a war. You decide to go to war.

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

On a side note i farm nonstop even during battle day. Clan wars hasnt slowed me down one bit. If you're doing it right you should be able to have enough elixer to build your war armies, donate war troops and still have all five builders going nonstop. Just work on your farming techniques.

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That´s what I do and this is why I don´t complain :-)

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

sorry if i sound like a huge a$$hole for pointing that out

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You sound reasonable, not in the first bit but overall :-)

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Originally Posted by Deano715

As a leader of a clan it has become increasingly difficult to lead with the addition of clan wars. Some members want to war constantly, some occasionally and some never! I have read about having a war clan and a non war clan etc but with 3 clans already this is a real chore.

it would be great if before a war was started that each member could opt in or out and then the for the clan to get matched with a clan the size of those opted in. This would make leadership a whole lot easier as it would then allow harmony to once again return to my clan!

Apologies if a thread already exists for this.

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A lot of the opposition HAVE NO GREAT REASON FOR THIS NOT BEING AN OPTION! Yes all the great clans all work together for the goal of being great! And yes with the option to opt out before a war starts would change the way the game works, but is it fair to have to kick good players simply because they are trying to upgrade? The higher you are the more upgrades cost and the more the troops you NEED cost! It's not as if you can go to war with goblins! You have to have a even mixture of the low and the high! And is it fair for the clan members who put forth the effort of creating a good troop to lose all the elixir they used, simply because some didn't choose to go to war! And there for those that fought didn't get even a quarter of the elixir that they put forth! I think that people being able to opt out of war or allowing the clan leader to opt them out before a war search even starts is a good idea!!!!! Otherwise tell me a GOOD REASON it shouldn't be an option!!!

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Originally Posted by Street3

A lot of the opposition HAVE NO GREAT REASON FOR THIS NOT BEING AN OPTION! Yes all the great clans all work together for the goal of being great! And yes with the option to opt out before a war starts would change the way the game works, but is it fair to have to kick good players simply because they are trying to upgrade? The higher you are the more upgrades cost and the more the troops you NEED cost! It's not as if you can go to war with goblins! You have to have a even mixture of the low and the high! And is it fair for the clan members who put forth the effort of creating a good troop to lose all the elixir they used, simply because some didn't choose to go to war! And there for those that fought didn't get even a quarter of the elixir that they put forth! I think that people being able to opt out of war or allowing the clan leader to opt them out before a war search even starts is a good idea!!!!! Otherwise tell me a GOOD REASON it shouldn't be an option!!!

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I have posted two.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

I have posted two.

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Actually you only posted one! First if there was an opt out switch I doubt supercell would make a clan with 50 who only has 25 battling matching using all the clans 50 members to count torward the overall matchup! And your "2nd good point" I think it was something about having powerful donations in war base, I can get a higher leveled player to join after starting a war to donate to my war base's clan castle now so what's the difference!

I agree! Hope new option will added.

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Originally Posted by Street3

Actually you only posted one! First if there was an opt out switch I doubt supercell would make a clan with 50 who only has 25 battling matching using all the clans 50 members to count torward the overall matchup! And your "2nd good point" I think it was something about having powerful donations in war base, I can get a higher leveled player to join after starting a war to donate to my war base's clan castle now so what's the difference!

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The difference is now it is painful and time consuming to coordinate and make happen. It will be abused far more if select-member skirmish is adopted in place of clan wars.

I already gave two reasons too, but I´m happy to repeat myself. Are you ready?

1. People that are in a clan today and don´t want to put effort in leaving the clan temporarily and join again after war started are not going to put effort in checking their opt-in/opt-out status with the net result being that the problem still exists and leader still must kick someone every now and then.

2. Leaders lead a clan. A good leader has good followers, it is as simple as that. If I´m a leader and kicking some-on with the message that he can join again after war start, or if I´m able to press a button to opt them out, there is no different in result, there is still action leader has to do.

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Originally Posted by mcleo

I already gave two reasons too, but I´m happy to repeat myself. Are you ready?

1. People that are in a clan today and don´t want to put effort in leaving the clan temporarily and join again after war started are not going to put effort in checking their opt-in/opt-out status with the net result being that the problem still exists and leader still must kick someone every now and then.

2. Leaders lead a clan. A good leader has good followers, it is as simple as that. If I´m a leader and kicking some-on with the message that he can join again after war start, or if I´m able to press a button to opt them out, there is no different in result, there is still action leader has to do.

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There is still no good reason for the Leader to not have the option!!! And again why would I kick someone who is good at finding recruits, or who donates a lot simply because they don't want to spend 72000 to make good enough troops to take on someone they may or may not win against!!! When they would rather save their 72g for their upgrades that cost them a couple of mil. To upgrade! Kicking people out and telling them to come back does not promote Loyalty it promotes desertion! So again your reasons are not good reasons!! The only good reason I could think of would be if supercell comes back and says that they would have.to change too much in their binary code for this.to happen! The only reasons people have given me so far is because they see nothing wrong with kicking people...... Well CONGRADULATIONS I do! If the person is picking on people and making the game not fun for the rest of my members I kick them, if they are always asking for troops but never donate, I kick them, but if they donate a lot and they spend a lot of time on global looking for new members, why should I kick them so I can go to war? Now please I have heard that I do it this way and I do it that way plenty of times! Just because that is how you want to run your clan does not mean that the rest of us should run it the sAme way! Nor does it make for a good reason not to have the option! Please make reasonable objections not objections because you do it this way and don't see nothing wrong with it! We have all already heard personal objections that's why I think it should be a leader option so leader can decide to use the option or not! Thank you for your opinions!

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Originally Posted by Deano715

As a leader of a clan it has become increasingly difficult to lead with the addition of clan wars. Some members want to war constantly, some occasionally and some never! I have read about having a war clan and a non war clan etc but with 3 clans already this is a real chore.

it would be great if before a war was started that each member could opt in or out and then the for the clan to get matched with a clan the size of those opted in. This would make leadership a whole lot easier as it would then allow harmony to once again return to my clan!

Apologies if a thread already exists for this.

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So, our OP want to give the opt out option a go, I get it, I see the idea, even partly agree, it might be nice for the clan members themselves to click "in or out" on wars...

Except that if they did that, clan members would forget to change their status' regularly and then complain because they are "stuck" in the war, or "out" of the war.

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Originally Posted by famEliCHIEF

Kicking out members out before starting clan war and inviting them back. ok, I have to do this. Takes time (my time!!!) to organize this! Why?! My clan would fight more wars if we would have acceptable options!
- opt-in is good (and necessary)
- set a self status "farming" (or so) is much better (no swords for these guys)

I expect some solutions from Supercell. Don't waste the (spare) time of the leaders!

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Or, you know, you could be sure the whole clan knows that war is starting on Friday at ____pm PST and if they do not wish to be in, they need to voluntarily leave for a half hour..... Take the job of booting out of the leaders hands. If the person "forgets" to leave, they have to participate, plain and simple.

Just a note, my alt in in my clan, and depending on # of members, I have had my alt leave the clan so that the numbers are correct. It takes 30 seconds to leave, and later 30 seconds to request to join and come back. Anyone who says its bothersome needs to rethink the term "lazy."

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Originally Posted by Street3

There is still no good reason for the Leader to not have the option!!! And again why would I kick someone who is good at finding recruits, or who donates a lot simply because they don't want to spend 72000 to make good enough troops to take on someone they may or may not win against!!! When they would rather save their 72g for their upgrades that cost them a couple of mil. To upgrade! Kicking people out and telling them to come back does not promote Loyalty it promotes desertion! So again your reasons are not good reasons!! The only good reason I could think of would be if supercell comes back and says that they would have.to change too much in their binary code for this.to happen! The only reasons people have given me so far is because they see nothing wrong with kicking people...... Well CONGRADULATIONS I do! If the person is picking on people and making the game not fun for the rest of my members I kick them, if they are always asking for troops but never donate, I kick them, but if they donate a lot and they spend a lot of time on global looking for new members, why should I kick them so I can go to war? Now please I have heard that I do it this way and I do it that way plenty of times! Just because that is how you want to run your clan does not mean that the rest of us should run it the sAme way! Nor does it make for a good reason not to have the option! Please make reasonable objections not objections because you do it this way and don't see nothing wrong with it! We have all already heard personal objections that's why I think it should be a leader option so leader can decide to use the option or not! Thank you for your opinions!

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Do you really want the task of clicking in/out for every single clan member for the war? Seriously? Because thats the best solution when clan members already do not want to "bother" leaving the clan in order to not be in the war. You think they are going to "bother" checking their war option status every time you are going to go to war?

I honestly hate the idea of booting anyone. It kills me when someone goes inactive during a war and has to be booted. Especially since the majority of my clan are inter-related to eachother. If I boot player Joe, his cousin billy might leave, but Joe didnt participate and the clan knows the rules right? Player Joe should have a good reason for being inactive in the war.

And thus far, one time we had a person who ended up unable to participate, but announced it beforehand. So the clan put the BEST troops possible in the CC, the player turned her war base into a TH fortress and they didnt participate, they didnt get booted either. Because they communicated and we were ready.

If more than 3-5 members of your clan voice opinions that they cannot participate in the pending war, HOLD the war!! how hard is that????

A clan which wants to war 24-7 needs to be filled with people who can devote the time and energy and resources to that. Anyone who cannot should find themselves another clan.

By the same token a clan which only wants to war 1-2x a week, should not have members begging for war constantly.

You cannot have it both ways. Either your are a "war heavy" or a "war light" clan.

And your clan should understand if you need to postpone a war for a day because one or two of the top players or more active players is not going to be on enough for a couple days to participate.

There is a lot more to a war than editing your base, & then attacking. An active clan will be discussing donations, attack plans, and giving advice on base design. Its not just 45 minutes of play for 48 hours of prep/battle time. 95% of your clan needs to be able to participate or the war should not be started to begin with.

1.Push notifications for clan war events
2. Online & Offline icons for clan members .
You'll know everyone has been notified about the war , and you'll know who's participating or not or chilling .

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

My clan is called EARN IT
my clash name is Nemesis
Just send us a request to join. I think we have over 25 wins now :)

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no...
you post that in your own thread and in clan talk:mad:

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Originally Posted by kristinepixie

So, our OP want to give the opt out option a go, I get it, I see the idea, even partly agree, it might be nice for the clan members themselves to click "in or out" on wars...

Except that if they did that, clan members would forget to change their status' regularly and then complain because they are "stuck" in the war, or "out" of the war.



Or, you know, you could be sure the whole clan knows that war is starting on Friday at ____pm PST and if they do not wish to be in, they need to voluntarily leave for a half hour..... Take the job of booting out of the leaders hands. If the person "forgets" to leave, they have to participate, plain and simple.

Just a note, my alt in in my clan, and depending on # of members, I have had my alt leave the clan so that the numbers are correct. It takes 30 seconds to leave, and later 30 seconds to request to join and come back. Anyone who says its bothersome needs to rethink the term "lazy."



Do you really want the task of clicking in/out for every single clan member for the war? Seriously? Because thats the best solution when clan members already do not want to "bother" leaving the clan in order to not be in the war. You think they are going to "bother" checking their war option status every time you are going to go to war?

I honestly hate the idea of booting anyone. It kills me when someone goes inactive during a war and has to be booted. Especially since the majority of my clan are inter-related to eachother. If I boot player Joe, his cousin billy might leave, but Joe didnt participate and the clan knows the rules right? Player Joe should have a good reason for being inactive in the war.

And thus far, one time we had a person who ended up unable to participate, but announced it beforehand. So the clan put the BEST troops possible in the CC, the player turned her war base into a TH fortress and they didnt participate, they didnt get booted either. Because they communicated and we were ready.

If more than 3-5 members of your clan voice opinions that they cannot participate in the pending war, HOLD the war!! how hard is that????

A clan which wants to war 24-7 needs to be filled with people who can devote the time and energy and resources to that. Anyone who cannot should find themselves another clan.

By the same token a clan which only wants to war 1-2x a week, should not have members begging for war constantly.

You cannot have it both ways. Either your are a "war heavy" or a "war light" clan.

And your clan should understand if you need to postpone a war for a day because one or two of the top players or more active players is not going to be on enough for a couple days to participate.

There is a lot more to a war than editing your base, & then attacking. An active clan will be discussing donations, attack plans, and giving advice on base design. Its not just 45 minutes of play for 48 hours of prep/battle time. 95% of your clan needs to be able to participate or the war should not be started to begin with.

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So your complaint is....... You would rather kick than to opt someone out! And yes I would rather click a box and that person be out of war than to kick! I think it's funny that based on whAt you say you wouldn't like this option and yet you kick people during war and let them back in after! Seems like you popped in just for the sake of arguing, because your whole book of explanation explains nothing but that you too could use this option so thanks for adding to the.reasons for having the option! Sorry I forgot to mention earlier that I already posted I think it should be.In the leaders hands! So they can CHOOSE TO USE IT or not,

Type opt into search bar to find poll to vote on this option

Opting out would cause the clan war system to be broken even further than it already is. I'm afraid I'd have to vote no to this idea. I think it would have pretty horrible unintended consequences in terms of matchups.

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Originally Posted by Trellish

Opting out would cause the clan war system to be broken even further than it already is. I'm afraid I'd have to vote no to this idea. I think it would have pretty horrible unintended consequences in terms of matchups.

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Clan wars is not broken just bc you lose does not mean Supercell system does not work! You get match to whoever is closest to your , defensive strength and attack strength, however bc of all the different clans this means that it's not always possible to match clans up person to person, and other times you just have to take a dive! Plus most of the people I have heard from all think the sAme way and their for would most likely be matched up together seems like that would even things out to me!

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Originally Posted by mcleo

I already gave two reasons too, but I´m happy to repeat myself. Are you ready?

1. People that are in a clan today and don´t want to put effort in leaving the clan temporarily and join again after war started are not going to put effort in checking their opt-in/opt-out status with the net result being that the problem still exists and leader still must kick someone every now and then.

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This, I am sorry, this simply does not work and is not a logical statement. I lead an International clan of all age groups (like many many clans). We alternate war times so everyone from India/England/USA/Egypt/Malaysia...wherever can have a shot at being there in the beginning. I have kids in school in Egypt...Adults at work in India, basically people have a life. They simply cannot be on all the time before a war starts. It is insulting to tell me my Long term members can't be bothered to leave/come back. What this is actually is a royal pain is the A**. Because now I have to track and manage this ♥♥♥♥. They have to leave sometimes 6-8 hours early. And when you have TWO full clans of 50 like I do, what happens when one of your elders accepts a new person accidentally and cuts the long term member out? It sucks. Just happened AGAIN today to us.

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Originally Posted by mcleo

2. Leaders lead a clan. A good leader has good followers, it is as simple as that. If I´m a leader and kicking some-on with the message that he can join again after war start, or if I´m able to press a button to opt them out, there is no different in result, there is still action leader has to do.

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There is simply no getting around that BOOTING your members is a poor and extremely LAME work around to a system fail. It is NOT the same or even remotely close to clicking a button and staying in the clan and maintaining your spot, your donation counts, elder status, etc. I should not have to do this because someone is on vacation or in school during exams, or having a medical emergency or whatever the reason is that is none of my or your business. I have already lost many long term members to this (1 to 1 1/2 years with us), and they did not go anywhere. They just quit the game. That is lost income potential for SC. It makes NO sense to not have this.

The OP is a bit excitable but the reasoning stands. I have yet to see a single cogent argument against the Opt in/out button.

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Originally Posted by BigDarrick

This, I am sorry, this simply does not work and is not a logical statement. I lead an International clan of all age groups (like many many clans). We alternate war times so everyone from India/England/USA/Egypt/Malaysia...wherever can have a shot at being there in the beginning. I have kids in school in Egypt...Adults at work in India, basically people have a life. They simply cannot be on all the time before a war starts. It is insulting to tell me my Long term members can't be bothered to leave/come back. What this is actually is a royal pain is the A**. Because now I have to track and manage this ♥♥♥♥. They have to leave sometimes 6-8 hours early. And when you have TWO full clans of 50 like I do, what happens when one of your elders accepts a new person accidentally and cuts the long term member out? It sucks. Just happened AGAIN today to us.



There is simply no getting around that BOOTING your members is a poor and extremely LAME work around to a system fail. It is NOT the same or even remotely close to clicking a button and staying in the clan and maintaining your spot, your donation counts, elder status, etc. I should not have to do this because someone is on vacation or in school during exams, or having a medical emergency or whatever the reason is that is none of my or your business. I have already lost many long term members to this (1 to 1 1/2 years with us), and they did not go anywhere. They just quit the game. That is lost income potential for SC. It makes NO sense to not have this.

The OP is a bit excitable but the reasoning stands. I have yet to see a single cogent argument against the Opt in/out button.

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Thank you! I say the same thing time and again and they keep coming back with it's not fair war would be unbalanced and stuff like that! I get rude comments posted on my thread from people who say they don't see nothing wrong with kicking people! And saying that everyone who likes this idea is lazy! Well I like this option because I have a wife and kid at home! I don't want to kick people simply because they have lives!! And in the long run the game will survive longer with adults, than only catering to kids because let's face it, kids eventually do grow up!!

That is actually a really great idea! I have to go to camp every month, so this would be great so I do not get kicked out.

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Originally Posted by jdubya907

It isnt really your clans choice whether or not you go to war. As a clan you can decide to wait but you will just get randomly pulled into a war anyway. You dont have the option to decline a war... So whether every one is ready or not its just not up to you.
On a side note i farm nonstop even during battle day. Clan wars hasnt slowed me down one bit. If you're doing it right you should be able to have enough elixer to build your war armies, donate war troops and still have all five builders going nonstop. Just work on your farming techniques.
sorry if i sound like a huge a$$hole for pointing that out

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You can't just get randomly pulled into a war, both clans must choose to search for a match to be matched.

How can you farm non-stop if you are building base crushing armies?

We already run wars on an opt in, opt out basis.
Lots of clans do.

This would just give us some UI for it.

The point is this.
This idea has been submitted many times and most if not all posters of these threads believe that an opt-out button will resolve their issue of having clan members not being active in a war.

What all posters seem to forget and don't understand is IF you press the war button THERE IS a popup saying READY TO GO TO WAR? before you can click the search button. If you click the search button you agree that your clan is ready.
Then all arguments to have opt-out button is about members not being ready to perform in war.

Well, guess what? That is simply your bad! You as (co)leader took the responsibility to take you clan and all your members into a war to find out they weren't ready! So, who created the issue in the first place by stating your clan was ready without checking!

But what the heck, let Supercell fix your issue with an opt-out button.

You know what? As long as this is an option to be active/inactive in a clan, I couldn't care less!
I actually kinda hope Supercell implements this asap, not because I like it or agree with it, but only for the sake of getting all these threads finally cleared up.

Good luck, happy clashing
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I like the idea of an opt out. There are times (such as being busy in RL) when you can't make a war here or there. But, otherwise you enjoy your clan and do wars. Why should wars have to be compulsory for every member all the time?

CoC is a game. All those against this seem to basically take the stance that CoC takes priority over everything else.

When your in a high lvl clan..... Every members need to make both attacks, Almost all of our wars come down to the last few attacks and won or loss by just a few stars.

As a leader, I too would like for an opt out button. We've kicked some awesome people just because they weren't good at war.

We have a feeder for our weaker members or members that can't war. But we had to shrink our clan to 25.

It kind of sucks...

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Originally Posted by Street3

Actually you only posted one! First if there was an opt out switch I doubt supercell would make a clan with 50 who only has 25 battling matching using all the clans 50 members to count torward the overall matchup! And your "2nd good point" I think it was something about having powerful donations in war base, I can get a higher leveled player to join after starting a war to donate to my war base's clan castle now so what's the difference!

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It's hard to believe anything you say when you post rubbish like this (bold above)

If someone is a spectator to a war they can not donate to war bases' clan castles.

I think every one should get behind this idea I had to destroy my clan cause people wouldn't raid in wars...


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