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They buy a lot of gems and without them they woud probably fail. I am not saying that thay suck, but i think it requires much more skill to get to the top without spensing gems(almost impossibe). And they arent necessary the best players because they have spent most gems. So do you think the top players are the best players?
This is not an hating thread!
First of all...
- all top player spend money but you don't see 200 people around 4k trophies
- apart from money you need tons of time which is a much bigger factor for working/ family people...
- I'm not saying that Jorge/ Vizia or any other top player have no skill
However I don't believe that either of them is the best "skillful" player just because they are on top. They have unique circumstances working for them without they couldn't achive what they did achieve and lets not forget that playing CoC is not rocket science.
ps: I voted NO
Well if the top players aren't the best players then who are the "best" players? Supercell didn't just add gems to the game for no reason. It isn't the end of the world if you paid money to buy gems.
So many aspects of being the best in this game. The top (trophy ranked) players are definitely the best at buying gems ;)
Edit; Would be nice to add some filters so that other aspects of the game could be analyzed/determined.
Well they are the 'best' at buying gems.. But sheesh those lot are dumb (in my opinion) since they have no skill whatsoever (maybe a few) but I believe even I have more skill than them.....
@Detective
In CoC or other apps.. you simply don't have an even field to really determ "the best". If we had a % indicator of successfull attacks, maybe then you could see who really is the most successfull attacker (however someone attacking more often can still negate some of his "failures" where as someone who attacks less often obviously has much harsher impacts when he loses a fight).
There should be some "fun" achievements... like collecting 200k elixier with a single goblin or destroying 10 defense building and leave 1 giant still standing etc. .
The answer is obvious. No, because I am the best player in the game.
When money (gems) is involved in a ranking/game.... TOP is different from BEST.
i see the top of the leader boards more as a test of endurance rather than "raiding" skill. you need to be willing to stay online for inordinate amounts of time to avoid getting attacked since each attack could mean losing 30+ trophies that will take HOURS to get back. so to keep moving up the board you have to attack for 1 trophy 30+ times plus a couple extra so that when you do eventually log off you haven't lost ground. since it reportedly takes an hour to find a match that may mean that you need to play for a day and a half straight just to make a couple trophy gain.
so to me you can't really think of what happens up in the ivory tower and what happens out on the farm working the fields as the same thing. the best farmer wouldn't necessarily make the best trophy hunter and the best trophy hunter wouldn't necessarily make the best farmer.
so to me it depends on what the qualifications are for "best".
@Tim
I can just talk for Jorge and take his interview as reference... in case he isn't having another 48 hour session (while working.....) he will get a cheap shield from one of his friends = no attack while he's catching some hours of sleep.
They still need the skill of setting up a good base and attacking
Imo its the non gemmers or light gem users who are in the 3000+ range. Now don't mistake me for a gemmer hater, if it wasn't for them we probably wouldn't have this game the way it is today:cool::cool:.
It does take a lot of skill to make it to say ... 3500 trophies. Having said that, nearly everyone at 3500 probably 'could' make it too 4000+, that is because at this point it is a grind. No one in the top 20 ever loses an attack (yes this takes skill) but everyone in the top 20 is equal in that or they wouldn't be there.
i determine skill in the top trophy range as the number of times you can two star a base. I'm ok, I have about a 30% two star rate when attacking, others are better, others are worse.
Does this mean that everyone at the top is ONLY good at buying gems ... No, there are many players that buy gems and cannot make it to the top. Does this mean that the top players are bad at farming ... no, I spent many hours farming and am quite good at it, as my second account is now th7, and a good little dark elix ninja, stealing from all the th9s :)
it makes me a bit upset when people say that everyone at the top is just good at gemming, that is not the case, it does take skill; however, what distinguishes the top 20 is, in my opinion, how much time you are willing to play.
if you were to ask me for a metric to measure skill, I would use the % two star metric. This clearly defines how well an attacker can attack (not farm, not win, not grind, but attack).
FYI I did not vote.
No, it isn't the end of the world if you buy gems. It would, however, be the end of the game if no one did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detective
Of course gems are in the game for a reason--to make money, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Well said, Jeff. (btw lol, at your forum name...)Quote:
Originally Posted by test
I would say whether you like to gem or not, whether you trophy chase or not, or whether you farm or not... It is good to respect the people who are the "best" at that particular road they've chosen for themselves.
"Best" is indeed a tough word to pin down, and tends to create all sorts of arguments and flaming. But, I respect anyone who is the "best" at the road they've embarked. I may not enjoy or participate in many of the sports in the Olympics, but I certainly respect the athlete who wins each particular Gold medal.
Illustris the Respectful of Different Roads, particularly Synchronized Swimming
♥♥♥♥ I didn't get the question so I said yes lol. But now I realize it.
Best Players are no the best, because they have no life and clearly bought gems. Best players who don't buy gems and they work. Jorge sucks and get use to it.
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Originally Posted by test
Yeah i merely agree with jeff...
If skills means Play time, definately leaderboards is where you look at.... they Are constantly Online
However, if skills mean gemming spells and dragons and using 3 light spells on air defence .... i would say NO NO
Anyone can touch that green button ....
In 5 months no one will be remembered for being a Top leader board Player...
Leader-boards is a front-end for Supercell to entice people to buy Gems and Gems....
Using pekkas has a similar win rate, not sure why dragon/light is so frowned upon. But I agree, everyone at the top wins 100% of the time so just trophy count is not a good metric (see above for my proposed two star % metric)Quote:
Originally Posted by denial
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Originally Posted by Illustris
Lol, I lurked on the forums for a long time and just made a 'test' account, never changed it :p
Spending a ton of money on a game doesn't make you a top player. This game does not require a lot of skill to play anyway. I am sure many players who on top stay there because they never get attacked. They use a device that will tap the screen every so often so they never are offline.
Ok lets hypothesise that we didn't have trophies and the measurement was be 2 stars wins ... ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by test
I would surprised if the names would be the same in the top 200 ...but yet again the factor would BE play time :/
So the metrics are flawed :/
A Duelling arena , where Gems wouldn't apply has been on my head lately....
...don't know if its on supercell's intention though ... no gems ...no honey ...
I propose it takes skill to two star win, so I was thinking about the % of time you two star win, this is hard to do against max bases and I submit to you that it takes skill. This is a bit pointless anyway, not really a stat we can track.Quote:
Originally Posted by denial
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Originally Posted by test
I was two starring everyone in the range 2800-2900 with a farming army and spells .... dont know why 2 star is a good metric
No offence intended, but two staring in that range it different than two staring a maxed out base. Even my base (which is not maxed) is rarely two stared because it takes skill to two star. I agree with you, two staring non maxed bases is not hard. Lol, a bit off track here but the poll got me thinking about how you could actually measure skill. I still think it takes skill to win 100% of the time with dragons/pekkas, but I also agree that trophy count is not a measure of the MOST skilled player. If you could show me the player with the highest percentage of two star wins against maxed bases, I would be comfortable saying that is the most skilled coc player (at attacking).Quote:
Originally Posted by denial
Most skilled farmer would of course be measured by highest resource/hr rate without using gems (have to equalize for troop level)
So you give stormbringer respect for making ♥♥♥♥♥ bases?Quote:
Originally Posted by Illustris
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Originally Posted by test
Not offended at all, use archers giants and gobs and i will bow down :)
( ...not speaking of archers barbs attacks one star attack, circle the base ... i am talking about a proper farming attack with no need to gem elixir mate... )
All in all Trophies Simplified are :
Play time + cheap Shields + Gems
Nothing more... sad but true ;(
No, top players are no-lifers hat are literally open 24/7 with a lot of gems
Dont hate on them... they just devote a lot more time than others, which is questionable for an average user...but for them its the only way to go ...different people...different viewsQuote:
Originally Posted by saad22
Funny thing about this is that at high cups I find I play a lot less. It literally takes 1-2 hr to find a base worth attacking (i never take 1 cup offers) and you only hit next once every 10 min or so. I am lucky to have a desk job where I can keep my iPhone on with the clouds screen running and work at the same time. I play about 3min every 2 hours. Probably less time per day then most farmers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by denial
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Originally Posted by test
I play 3 mins every 30 min ....
And my ipads and iphones battery will be healthy "forever" :)
Still your iPad/iphone needs to be online all that time :(...
Nonetheless if you enjoy the game this way... Good for you :)
They're not, and using 11 dragons and 4 spells to get 50% isn't hard at all.
I'm not saying they're bad, but it doesn't make them the most skilled just because they spent a bunch of money and time on the game.
That's my point :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KingGerbear
im Not hating that's just my opinion on them
i dont consider them the "best" but for sure they are good at sponsoring supercell ....financially
It depends on the definition of "best players", since these guys managed to get all of those gems.. they must be kind of into the game, though, imo, they're not the best players
The best player are hardcore farmer, they are skilled,use low troops to get max potential,they plan and coordinate their upgrade and village and grow it biger and bigger without to spent excessive gems like top ranked players!Example: 2 people flying with same plane to same destination the one use first class the other use ecconomy class :)
The best at what?
And the one taking the economy class is somehow "better" than the one taking first class. Good analogy bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNT
Hey, aren't you a hardcore farmer? I guess you are one of the game's best players then? Congrats!!
Exactly!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendax
Do I say I'm the best???may you thinking before and then say dude!The one fly with ecconomy class spent lesser money and get same destination... May you thinking about the real reason!or I guess you need go back to school again???Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandalhat
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Originally Posted by TNT
If that's your logic, its a bad analogy. A closer one would be that two people need to cross the country, but one flies and one hitchhiker. They may reach the same destination, and it may be free for one guy, but the hitchhiker gets there a low slower, and is a lot less likely to actually get there.
I just compare with money dude and not the time!would you pay 20000$ for to fly for same plane but to be in the first class, or when u can fly at same plane at ecconomy class which you have to pay 1500$?, I rather fly in the ecconomy class for 1500$ and use the rest money for other better thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mendax
In terms of base design, I really don't see how it would be hard beside sheer upgrades for a skilled TH9 farmer. All his resources are on the outer wall.
Ranking in this game is really made up of three parts.
1. Skill. Despite some comments here, you are not making top 200 players if you area noob!
2. Time investment. This game needs lots of time. I don't care if you have crazy skills, unless you spend a lot of time on this game you are going no where.
3. Money. I think this may be over rated. But you are not making top 200 with just two builders! I think you can make top 200 without spending tons of cash.
Top players definitely aren't the best at this game. It just shows the amount of dedication these people have at playing the game. Let's say, if i've the same amount of skill and everything max out but i don't play as much, i wouldn't at the ladders would i ? SO yeah, they just have a bunch of time and big bucks to spare, nothing more.
Besides the only starts an upgrade then finish it off with gems they coud do it in the same time with 1 builder........Quote:
Originally Posted by Beancounter
Oh come on. No one is "better than anyone else" at these app games. Face it, they are time and money wasters. The more time and money you spend "the better you are". That's it. Little skill and strategy is involved.
The most competition you'll get in this game is to start playing with a friend. My boyfriend and I are competitive as hell with it, "who can get their walls upgraded first" "who can get to the next town hall first" etc etc. That's where time management and what to upgrade first strategy comes into play. Otherwise there isn't "who da best" in this game. It's just a fun thing to do while the boss isn't looking at work.
Games that people can actually get good at would be battlfield or COD or guitar hero etc. They actually have skill based contests for those games. This game is not under that category and I don't consider anyone "the best at it" some are just at the top because they have more time and money than others. Good for them.
I still respect players who get skilled at hand/eye coordination more. And no, not the guy on the top of the leaderboard that spent 8 hours everyday on the game since it came out. The guy at the contest, friendly get together, etc wooping everyone's ***.
The best all around ppl by far are the 3000-3100 range. Although some of them spend gems others dont and have to fight to be in the top 200. I think they definitely are they best players. No offense to Jorge Yao or Vizia. This is just my opinion.
No, Because they are pay to win.
Some of the top players or at least the top 200 gem the time for defences, but farm the resources.
They have good attack strategies and attack well which is why their trophies are so high but you can't buy trophies with gems so they do have skill at a to players perspctive
The best player in my opinion is for sure flammy5