Hogs are NOT dead.

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Originally Posted by playitlikegabo

Actually it's a huge difference. Before the update hogs took a total damage of 450 from double giant bombs (lvl 3), they didn't die because they have 475 hp (lvl 5) and could be healed then by a healing spell. Now they take 675 damage. They are instant bacon and bacon cannot be healed.

It's over hoggers, you had a run.

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Ok, I am proven wrong on this one, no surprise : )

But, lets figure it out...

fishing for and setting off big bombs will probably be key now. Maybe send one or two in to set it off, before you deploy in bulk?

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Originally Posted by kmb08753

I'll give to the point that bombs will be a bigger counter now... but Heroes chasing... their radius isn't that big. With a heal, the hogs are quick enough to keep clearing towers. Not too different from taking fire from towers while they are working.

Most of these are against TH9s and I'm trying it on centered heroes for the most part, to see what happens.

Give it shot, it's not as bad as people are thinking. Sure, its not the easy wipe it used to be, but this is a strategy game...

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If you dont have enough hogs left to do clean up, you might end up with a win but no resource. In 2 mins, you will probably lose 10+ hogs to the heroes, more to the bombs, and the odds of cleaning out defences are slim to none.

Sure, on the right base with traps already triggered and mis placed heroes, hogs will be fine - but in war, with a good base layout, hogs will fail a lot more than ever before...it will be interesting to see how people adapt...

Some hoggers in my clan tried their first raid of the day with hogs (pre cooked during the night)...wasn't pretty...

However, my first raid was a barch and I got 300k! Heroes did not trigger and it was like taking candy from a baby ;)

Looks good but not much loot ?

What i am doing right now...
upgrade max all giant bombs and small bombs

Place 1 giant bomb with 2 small bomb inside mortar and wizard area
Now i got 3 deadly zone for hogs

because i am th 10
i still got 2 big bomb
place it inside hero and inferno area
now i got 2 more deadly zone for hogs

and with good placement of spring trap
thats mean HOG IS DEAD!!!!

just wait for a few week and enjoy a brand new trend of anti hog base

definitely gonna change my playstyle to baloonion with 4 rage spell and 1 heal spell if cannot using it anymore to defeat th 9 at clan war

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Originally Posted by carlito

If you dont have enough hogs left to do clean up, you might end up with a win but no resource. In 2 mins, you will probably lose 10+ hogs to the heroes, more to the bombs, and the odds of cleaning out defences are slim to none.

Sure, on the right base with traps already triggered and mis placed heroes, hogs will be fine - but in war, with a good base layout, hogs will fail a lot more than ever before...it will be interesting to see how people adapt...

Some hoggers in my clan tried their first raid of the day with hogs (pre cooked during the night)...wasn't pretty...

However, my first raid was a barch and I got 300k! Heroes did not trigger and it was like taking candy from a baby ;)

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Well, high level heroes will hurt more, and traps, always a problem. Agreed, CW attacking will be different. But hogs could still be a good two star strategy.

So far, the heroes really aren't keeping up with the hogs, at least as I've been seeing it. More damage to them for sure, but not a show stopper. I have more 3 stars with central heroes than two stars, however.

I'll keep at it until I run out of DE...

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Originally Posted by UnknownShadows

Looks good but not much loot ?

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Not really looking for loot too much, more testing than farming. Although, I have some good ones for sure, can't turn away 800k... ha.

I like how the OG post raids are 30 minutes apart and he uses 4 Heals in every battle. I wont be gemming, I dont want to wait 2 hours between battles and burn 1700+ DE just to raid poorly designed bases for some positive gold/elixir.

Well designed bases will be much harder if not impossible to use an all out hog attack strategy. I came across a well designed base this morning with a level 4 archer that had defensive buildings around it. My lvl 5 hogs didn't make it out, and that was only a level 4 archer(although I admit I had no potions as my spell factory is on upgrade).

Brings another point if spells are now essential to even farm raiding, you should be able to use the spell factory while its been upgraded (much like the CC can be used while upgrading).

These changes affects more then hogs too, Golems, Giants all have the same issue, Balloons too, although BK is a non-factor and ballon splash dmg can take out the AQ. Defending got a big boost and raiding tactics are going to have to change drastically.

But yes, if your willing to burn 4 heal pots you can still hog through bases that aren't designed well (poor/no bomb traps, outside/exposed heros etc).

One potential solution: Since heroes are basically "Defensive Towers" now, then troops that favor defensive structures should now favor defensive buildings or heroes to help balance it out a bit.

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Originally Posted by kmb08753

I decided to give hogs a go this morning with my alt TH9 account, to see how the new heroes would affect my raids. I have had great results.

As expected, hogs out run heroes. In some cases, they even finished off the towers and turned on the heroes. I have had success on centered heroes and edge heroes. Two and three star wins on mostly other TH9s(one TH8 and one premmie TH10).

Edge heroes are a no brainer. Deploy on the other side, by the time the hogs get there, most of the towers are gone.

Centered heroes, what I have been doing:
Lure CC like normal. Deploy hogs on a side nearest to the TH, in groups of two or three, heal as needed. Before I would heal hogs near WT and when they are in center with Xbows. Now I just pay a bit more attention to what the heroes are doing. If they are attacking the hogs, I might drop a heal there also.
Hold onto your heroes and support a little longer. Once 60-70% of the towers are down, deploy on the now cleared side. Put down some support to clear a path, then heroes and the remaining support to go to center.
The BK tanks and crushes walls to core, AQ and wizzies follow, taking out the defending heroes, TH and grab loot.

Before you declare Hogs dead, maybe you should try it. Tactics will need a little adjustment, but Hog Riders are still a very viable troop.

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Please just let hogs die off already. I don't like them at all.

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Originally Posted by kmb08753

I decided to give hogs a go this morning with my alt TH9 account, to see how the new heroes would affect my raids. I have had great results.

As expected, hogs out run heroes. In some cases, they even finished off the towers and turned on the heroes. I have had success on centered heroes and edge heroes. Two and three star wins on mostly other TH9s(one TH8 and one premmie TH10).

Edge heroes are a no brainer. Deploy on the other side, by the time the hogs get there, most of the towers are gone.

Centered heroes, what I have been doing:
Lure CC like normal. Deploy hogs on a side nearest to the TH, in groups of two or three, heal as needed. Before I would heal hogs near WT and when they are in center with Xbows. Now I just pay a bit more attention to what the heroes are doing. If they are attacking the hogs, I might drop a heal there also.
Hold onto your heroes and support a little longer. Once 60-70% of the towers are down, deploy on the now cleared side. Put down some support to clear a path, then heroes and the remaining support to go to center.
The BK tanks and crushes walls to core, AQ and wizzies follow, taking out the defending heroes, TH and grab loot.

Before you declare Hogs dead, maybe you should try it. Tactics will need a little adjustment, but Hog Riders are still a very viable troop.

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Thank you for showing me your replays, I have put together a little collection or screenshots, to help give people a little idea of what to expect using hogs.

To view, please check the link in my sig :)

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Originally Posted by Darwyn

I like how the OG post raids are 30 minutes apart and he uses 4 Heals in every battle. I wont be gemming, I dont want to wait 2 hours between battles and burn 1700+ DE just to raid poorly designed bases for some positive gold/elixir.

Well designed bases will be much harder if not impossible to use an all out hog attack strategy. I came across a well designed base this morning with a level 4 archer that had defensive buildings around it. My lvl 5 hogs didn't make it out, and that was only a level 4 archer(although I admit I had no potions as my spell factory is on upgrade).

Brings another point if spells are now essential to even farm raiding, you should be able to use the spell factory while its been upgraded (much like the CC can be used while upgrading).

These changes affects more then hogs too, Golems, Giants all have the same issue, Balloons too, although BK is a non-factor and ballon splash dmg can take out the AQ. Defending got a big boost and raiding tactics are going to have to change drastically.

But yes, if your willing to burn 4 heal pots you can still hog through bases that aren't designed well (poor/no bomb traps, outside/exposed heros etc).

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Hogs without heal rarely work, sure, low level bases, but 2-4 heals are usually required unless your doing something like Unitysharp's combo(3-4 healers).

Gemming... don't hate, we all play how we want. Who cares how long I wait? Maybe I wanted to get more raids in before I posted this...

I am looking for centered heroes, and now trying some higher level heroes. The hogs are out running them. Sorry to say it, but it is happening.