Improvement for the new Heroes.

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July 2nd, 2014
MrLeeGrahamNord

Improvement for the new Heroes - Wall Imprisonment

ADDITION TO the NEW BEHAVIOR: restrict heroes from jumping over the walls in defensive mode. This will make many people happier now, because it will be easier for attacker to deal with them (since they can't be lured no more).

defensive AQ can shoot over the walls but comes to the edge of the wall in her line of fire so that ranged troops can attack her also.

And if during the battle the compartment with hero is broken - it is released and can walk out of it. But if you intentionally build a maze layout (which is worse for defense generally) your heroes will be able to walk more freely. So this simply adds more different strategies, which is always good and makes heroes not such a big pain, which they become with this new update.

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Originally Posted by HeavensFace

well then they should not be able to jump over walls at first, but when triggered, they should regain that ability.

Why do you think so? Because BK can be killed with ranged troops without dealing any damage (with AQ it is obviously not the case)?

But usually if he is trapped in some compartment it will be opened sooner by melee troops (because they want to kill the altar and him - so they will be breaking through his wall). Even if he is attacked by ranged troops first in this case it acts as a good damage absorber (and turrets around him can attack troops attacking him). Additionally to defend him in this special case - if he is attacked and himself can't attack any targets - he can try to run away to other corner so he will become out of range for archers / wizards etc.

It also gives many possibilities for different tactics (place BK with some turret in one compartment so that giants will break there and be seriously damaged by the king, place AQ in a single compartment so that giants or hogs don't go there while being hit by the queen). The main advantage for the attacker will be that your attack gets more predictable (u know which compartment your troops will be in when they meet hero) and heroes do less potential damage generally (because they have less attacking time, spending part of it doing nothing).
July 2nd, 2014
HeavensFace

the heroes are going go get improved in the next update, please read the "sneak peak" sticky.

and that improvement is fine if you ask me, this improvement (the one your suggesting) would make them UP.
July 2nd, 2014
MrLeeGrahamNord

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Originally Posted by HeavensFace

the heroes are going go get improved in the next update, please read the "sneak peak" sticky.

and that improvement is fine if you ask me, this improvement (the one your suggesting) would make them UP.

Emm I have read the sneak picks and watched the video. This post is my reaction to it. Since new behavior makes heroes like a defensive building with 1500+ hp and attacking power of 3 of normal ones (at least) and also they are not targeted by defensive troops - i think it is a huge bonus for defense. It seems unfair and I suggest to make their movement restricted by walls - so that they don't roam around the center of the base and kill whoever they find. My suggestion is an addition to the new behavior meaning that they still have some circle which they will never leave (but inside that circle they move restricted by the the walls)
July 2nd, 2014
HeavensFace

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Originally Posted by MrLeeGrahamNord

Emm I have read the sneak picks and watched the video. This post is my reaction to it. Since new behavior makes heroes like a defensive building with 1500+ hp and attacking power of 3 of normal ones (at least) and also they are not targeted by defensive troops - i think it is a huge bonus for defense. It seems unfair and I suggest to make their movement restricted by walls - so that they don't roam around the center of the base and kill whoever they find. My suggestion is an addition to the new behavior meaning that they still have some circle which they will never leave (but inside that circle they move restricted by the the walls)

well then they should not be able to jump over walls at first, but when triggered, they should regain that ability.
July 2nd, 2014
ragerrodent

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Originally Posted by HeavensFace

well then they should not be able to jump over walls at first, but when triggered, they should regain that ability.

Agreed...they're going to make heroes have a MUCH smaller range...there's no reason to limit that more by making them unable to jump walls
July 2nd, 2014
MrLeeGrahamNord

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavensFace

well then they should not be able to jump over walls at first, but when triggered, they should regain that ability.

Why do you think so? Because BK can be killed with ranged troops without dealing any damage (with AQ it is obviously not the case)?

But usually if he is trapped in some compartment it will be opened sooner by melee troops (because they want to kill the altar and him - so they will be breaking through his wall). Even if he is attacked by ranged troops first in this case it acts as a good damage absorber (and turrets around him can attack troops attacking him). Additionally to defend him in this special case - if he is attacked and himself can't attack any targets - he can try to run away to other corner so he will become out of range for archers / wizards etc.

It also gives many possibilities for different tactics (place BK with some turret in one compartment so that giants will break there and be seriously damaged by the king, place AQ in a single compartment so that giants or hogs don't go there while being hit by the queen). The main advantage for the attacker will be that your attack gets more predictable (u know which compartment your troops will be in when they meet hero) and heroes do less potential damage generally (because they have less attacking time, spending part of it doing nothing).
July 2nd, 2014
MrLeeGrahamNord

This is an interesting result. I expected everyone to prefer option n1 according to responses in sneak picks thread.
July 2nd, 2014
Ljungstroem

I do not like the idea of the troops not being able to jump over walls in defense-mode, just like the CC troops can jump over walls, so should heroes. Many does put walls around the altars and this would be a trap for the heroes, therefore not a great idea. I like the idea that they can go around a certain range within their altar.
July 3rd, 2014
MrLeeGrahamNord

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Originally Posted by Ljungstroem

I do not like the idea of the troops not being able to jump over walls in defense-mode, just like the CC troops can jump over walls, so should heroes. Many does put walls around the altars and this would be a trap for the heroes, therefore not a great idea. I like the idea that they can go around a certain range within their altar.

Good picture.

Yes that will be the trap - because they are way too cool now.