New A.I - New strategy - New hope

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Ok, so we all think this is the end of hogs, along with other strategies we are all so used to. This may not be the case. I shall try to put together some strategies and tips, to help you fellow clashers adapt to the new changes made to our beloved game! ( Any help is appreciated :) )

Lets talk attack first. http://i61.tinypic.com/2u8bjup.png

- With the new hero defence tweak, the heroes will not run after your hogs, or other troops, around the entire base. As long as you lure the cc, you could still manage to rage your hogs past the heroes. Maybe one thing you may need to do it make a few more hogs, but what is 4-6 minutes compared to not using them at all...:rolleyes:

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- Make less hogs, and more clear up troops. Still lure cc, clear defence on one side of the base, or as much as possible around one corner, leaving a nice path towards the th. Now use your other troops to get to that th using the new jump spell AI.

Strategy is changing. Maybe for the better. Obviously we will need to take a closer look, by experiencing it ourselves, but from what I can gather, there are a few reasons as to why this is a huge game-changer, for the better.

- If, lets say, 1/both heroes are in the centre of the enemies base, right beside the th. You can now use this much more to your advantage. It will allow you to pull your heroes/troops towards the centre, toward the enemies town hall ;) Slipping in a jump spell would be more advantageous to ( please read Jump spell below ).

- Barching. For those who collector raid, you won't need to worry about heroes ruining your raids anymore! They won't come out and attack, and this will clearly save you some troops to use on that last collector(s) you may have missed once before.

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"What about miniballs?" I hear you ask!

Your balloons are now a lot more open to fly across a base! With the Archer queen ( nearly ) firmly set in place on her alter, you can attack the base from where she is not. This means less balloons/minions lost luring her out and knocking her down, which, consequently, means more troops to gain more loot! Or higher % for those cup pushers!

It may not seem "easier" as such as before the update, but with a few tweaks here and there, and some hard practice, you will be able to continue using your miniballs army just like before. Some would even say better!
Ok, lets move onto defence. http://i57.tinypic.com/351ux6b.jpg

- The positioning of your heroes will take a dramatic change. Where to place them now? Without the option to lure, you can place them now without the worry they won't defend what you want them to defend, be it your th, or de storage etc. I am imagining now, placing the AQ behind your de storage could seriously help towards defending it, without the need of placing it in the centre of your base.

- If, lets say, someone is feeling ambitious, someone not so great at hogging, and hasn't quite learnt what this new update is all about. Your AQ is bang in the centre. As their hogs come closer and closer to the centre, just watch your AQ sniping them off like swatting flies ;)

Jump spell http://i60.tinypic.com/i6fc0j.jpg

The jump spell now not only allows your troops to jump over walls, but actually works with your troops, and gives them a "path" to go, rather than just mindlessly jumping around over walls ( which is fun, yes, but was a little tiresome ). Of course, there is a little more to this. The "path" it gives, only activates troops if it is the easiest path to take. For example;

You drop your troops on one side of the base.

You then drop a jump spell on the other side of the base.

Your troops will not walk around the whole base just to jump! Align your spell to where you see fit, as to direct your troops towards whatever you want them to, be it the town hall, dark elixir storage, or an army camp!



Valkyries http://i60.tinypic.com/33mo8yq.jpg

So Valkyries now have a purpose!! Woo!! Now, she will target multiple targets, on purpose, as to get the full potential from her battle axe!

She does this for both troops, and buildings. Say you are luring the clan castle troops. It is a mix of both archers and barbarians. Now she will run to the centre of them all, and swing her trusty mean thing, causing damage to multiple units on either side of her... hey.. That is pretty sweet, don't ya think!

For even more info, strategies, everything, please take a minute to read through this amazing thread put together by NioTheDreamer;

The Valkyrie Strategy Guide

Wall targetting ( see barch tactics ) http://i61.tinypic.com/wuploy.png

I shall be updating this if I can think of anything else, as for now, I need another coffee. Please leave your comments, whether you agree/disagree, and if you can think of anything else, please let us know!

This is a game changing update. If you think otherwise..... Well.

Clash on, and adapt!

I would just like to edit in: I apologise for the delay in actually completing this. I think I am 90% there, so not far now lol. Not able to add any more pictures though which sucks, but I am sure you can put your imagination to the test ;)

Great thoughts

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Originally Posted by Chap22054

Great thoughts

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Thank you :)

If you could add any of your own, I'm sure they can help someone! I have not even covered half of this update ( it's a lot to think about ), so any extra thoughts would be appreciated ;)

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

Thank you :)

If you could add any of your own, I'm sure they can help someone! I have not even covered half of this update ( it's a lot to think about ), so any extra thoughts would be appreciated ;)

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I agree with this whole heartedly. If anything, hogs will be much to use and same goes with barch and balloonion raids, trust saving 15 extra minions is huge! I feel the defense of the new heroes however has a flaw, the flaw being the archer queen hiding behind the walls making her almost impossible to get too. We shall see what the outcome brings however with the new lvl 5 pekka! :D

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

I agree with this whole heartedly. If anything, hogs will be much to use and same goes with barch and balloonion raids, trust saving 15 extra minions is huge! I feel the defense of the new heroes however has a flaw, the flaw being the archer queen hiding behind the walls making her almost impossible to get too. We shall see what the outcome brings however with the new lvl 5 pekka! :D

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This is a very good point, and I think it should be addressed. Lets take a look!

If this situation is common, then I can see a way around it. Lets say you are packing the new jump spell ( new AI, not completely new.. You know what I mean ). You are dropping your ( lets say ) Gowiwi troops just like before. I would say it best to attack closest to where the AQ is. If you can funnel your witches/wizards towards the AQ, using your jump spell, I can see the problem being eradicated.

I am mainly thinking for higher level gameplay, where this problem ( IMO ) would be the greatest. For lower level, I don't see too much of a problem ( for farming ). Just stay away haha. If however the AQ is in a place you need to get to, make sure you pack enough wall breakers to make a path towards her, or as best a path you can make. From there, make sure to have a couple of tank troops in front, wizards/arches behind incase she is still hidden behind a wall.

Other strategies can be considered too, anyone want to leave their thoughts on this?

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

This is a very good point, and I think it should be addressed. Lets take a look!

If this situation is common, then I can see a way around it. Lets say you are packing the new jump spell ( new AI, not completely new.. You know what I mean ). You are dropping your ( lets say ) Gowiwi troops just like before. I would say it best to attack closest to where the AQ is. If you can funnel your witches/wizards towards the AQ, using your jump spell, I can see the problem being eradicated.

I am mainly thinking for higher level gameplay, where this problem ( IMO ) would be the greatest. For lower level, I don't see too much of a problem ( for farming ). Just stay away haha. If however the AQ is in a place you need to get to, make sure you pack enough wall breakers to make a path towards her, or as best a path you can make. From there, make sure to have a couple of tank troops in front, wizards/arches behind incase she is still hidden behind a wall.

Other strategies can be considered too, anyone want to leave their thoughts on this?

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You make a good case here. I think in all honesty this can be avoided, using a freeze to freeze her and an inferno at the same time. I truly think it will help suck in troops to the th anyway we look at it. Maybe bring a 3rd freeze and ice that hoe.

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

You make a good case here. I think in all honesty this can be avoided, using a freeze to freeze her and an inferno at the same time. I truly think it will help suck in troops to the th anyway we look at it. Maybe bring a 3rd freeze and ice that hoe.

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This is a great point also, I shall ad this into the OP ;)

Thank you!

Since the entire thread is pure speculation, I'm not sure why you didn't put anything about Miniballs, but I'm happy to provide my thoughts. To simplify, there are 3 basic scenarios:

1. Queen is on the edge of the base. Now, you'd just lure her farther away and take her out with minions, but post-update, you'll have to use those minions to take her out where she stands. It'll require a few more minions, but won't be too bad.
2. Queen is in the center. Currently, I'd just attack normally and wait for my balloons to eventually trigger her (and then get her to the outside and take her out), but others would lure with a balloon and kill her at the beginning. Either way, life is going to get easier, just ignore her.
3. Queen is inside the base but not in the center. This would currently require luring (with either a balloon or a minion), but with that no longer an option in the future, here's what I'd suggest: take out defenses on the queen's side if they're out of her range, but focus on getting your balloons a bit deeper on the other 3 sides so you don't have to take out the queen. If for some reason you want to take out the queen (she's right next to a de storage, for example), minions on a rage should do the trick.

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

Since the entire thread is pure speculation, I'm not sure why you didn't put anything about Miniballs, but I'm happy to provide my thoughts. To simplify, there are 3 basic scenarios:

1. Queen is on the edge of the base. Now, you'd just lure her farther away and take her out with minions, but post-update, you'll have to use those minions to take her out where she stands. It'll require a few more minions, but won't be too bad.
2. Queen is in the center. Currently, I'd just attack normally and wait for my balloons to eventually trigger her (and then get her to the outside and take her out), but others would lure with a balloon and kill her at the beginning. Either way, life is going to get easier, just ignore her.
3. Queen is inside the base but not in the center. This would currently require luring (with either a balloon or a minion), but with that no longer an option in the future, here's what I'd suggest: take out defenses on the queen's side if they're out of her range, but focus on getting your balloons a bit deeper on the other 3 sides so you don't have to take out the queen. If for some reason you want to take out the queen (she's right next to a de storage, for example), minions on a rage should do the trick.

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Any feedback is appreciated :) But just so you know, it may be speculation, and a little rough around the edges, but I have watched the videos about the update, and from what I have watched I have tried to make an as accurate guide as possible for those thinking these strats are done, or will be harder etc.

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Queen is on the edge of the base. Now, you'd just lure her farther away and take her out with minions, but post-update, you'll have to use those minions to take her out where she stands. It'll require a few more minions, but won't be too bad.

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I would drop 4-5 loons towards the nearest archer tower, right over the AQ's head. Then immediately drop 4-5 minions on the AQ behind. This way you take her out with minimal minions, and take out an AT too ;)

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Queen is in the center. Currently, I'd just attack normally and wait for my balloons to eventually trigger her (and then get her to the outside and take her out), but others would lure with a balloon and kill her at the beginning. Either way, life is going to get easier, just ignore her.

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Nice point :)

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Queen is inside the base but not in the center. This would currently require luring (with either a balloon or a minion), but with that no longer an option in the future, here's what I'd suggest: take out defenses on the queen's side if they're out of her range, but focus on getting your balloons a bit deeper on the other 3 sides so you don't have to take out the queen. If for some reason you want to take out the queen (she's right next to a de storage, for example), minions on a rage should do the trick.

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Great point, adding this to the OP :)

Thank you for your feedback :)

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Original post edited. Would love for some other points that could help others out!

I was, at first, upset at the fact that I thought I would no longer be able to use the miniballs strategy. After you just pointed out the obvious, I realise that it makes the game so much better! My hat goes off to you!

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Originally Posted by Chaylee

I was, at first, upset at the fact that I thought I would no longer be able to use the miniballs strategy. After you just pointed out the obvious, I realise that it makes the game so much better! My hat goes off to you!

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Hehe, glad to have made someone happy! :)

Thanks to Scoobysnack and MrScribbler for their contribution too ;)

I have not really anything to add, but this is very well thought out, and I can't agree more with your points.

Good job, made me think about all this even more... I really hope it'll all work out like you think/describe/guess ;)

Great threads:DI will be adding some of the things that you could put in this thread later.

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Originally Posted by Janniboy0312

I have not really anything to add, but this is very well thought out, and I can't agree more with your points.

Good job, made me think about all this even more... I really hope it'll all work out like you think/describe/guess ;)

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Thank you :)

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Originally Posted by DarkHero

Great threads:DI will be adding some of the things that you could put in this thread later.

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Any other help is appreciated :) and thanks!

With the heroes staying in the base you could use them for funneling. With then used to protect the thing you want try moving them near or next to the build like the de storage. Then pace the troops and have them go for the queen or king then end up right next to the storage or town hall.

With troops attacking the same wall it becomes easier to tell which building they will go after when they do break the wall so you need to start picking the right wall and send in few troops to target it and hit it. Then you can place the rest to break the same wall.

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Originally Posted by Jdncnf

With the heroes staying in the base you could use them for funneling. With then used to protect the thing you want try moving them near or next to the build like the de storage. Then pace the troops and have them go for the queen or king then end up right next to the storage or town hall.

With troops attacking the same wall it becomes easier to tell which building they will go after when they do break the wall so you need to start picking the right wall and send in few troops to target it and hit it. Then you can place the rest to break the same wall.

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I like your thinking. Your second point is definitely worth putting in to the OP :)

Your first point, I don't quite get what you are saying. Do you mean make a funnelling base yourself? Because then I don't see why it would be good to funnel the troops towards something like your de storage >.< Heroes there or not... :confused:

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

I like your thinking. Your second point is definitely worth putting in to the OP :)

Your first point, I don't quite get what you are saying. Do you mean make a funnelling base yourself? Because then I don't see why it would be good to funnel the troops towards something like your de storage >.< Heroes there or not... :confused:

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What i meant was using the queen and king to funnel troops to the storages like you had in the OP that you could have them covering the buildings you want but the idea was talked about in the OP already.

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

2. Queen is in the center. Currently, I'd just attack normally and wait for my balloons to eventually trigger her (and then get her to the outside and take her out), but others would lure with a balloon and kill her at the beginning. Either way, life is going to get easier, just ignore her.

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You can't lure her to the outside. Once a troop or troops leave her area of interest, she will let them go and patrol her area. There is no luring of heroes where you want them.

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Originally Posted by winders

You can't lure her to the outside. Once a troop or troops leave her area of interest, she will let them go and patrol her area. There is no luring of heroes where you want them.

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I think he means as outside as possible. You can control them to a point and that point ends were the circle ends. If they are in the core so far that you can't get them outside far enough you may not need to take her out as she won't hurt you but if she can then you would need to as she will be protecting things you need.

Does anyone else see single target infernos about to take over? With the nerf/buff to hogs/GB's will Disco still be necessary? or will single target be used more often for the heroes? I would love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers,
bybler

This is a really good read and funny to boot!

Thx for the info and humor.:p:D

GoWiPe will be easier now since if the heroes/cc troops are in the middle. all of the attacking troops will now be attracted to tthe core of the base. though I think it will not be a sure 3 star attack, at least you wont be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off with your pekka walking around the collector park.

A great post and overview of what's to come... cheers :)

now I'm in love with the update

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Originally Posted by Bybler

Does anyone else see single target infernos about to take over? With the nerf/buff to hogs/GB's will Disco still be necessary? or will single target be used more often for the heroes? I would love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers,
bybler

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I personally will still be using both IT's on multi, unless cup pushing at the high end :)

You still have to worry about all the other lil critters out there ;) be it goblins, barbarians or wizards etc.

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This is a really good read and funny to boot!

Thx for the info and humor.:p:D

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Hehe no worries, and cheers!

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GoWiPe will be easier now since if the heroes/cc troops are in the middle. all of the attacking troops will now be attracted to tthe core of the base. though I think it will not be a sure 3 star attack, at least you wont be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off with your pekka walking around the collector park.

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I totally agree! In CW attacks I tend not to lure the cc anyway, which enables me to use the cc troops to lure mine in towards the th ;)

same thing will apply post update.

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Originally Posted by ChiefJeff

A great post and overview of what's to come... cheers :)

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Thank you and cheers! :)

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Originally Posted by Jonny0913

now I'm in love with the update

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I'm thinking a lot of people haven't quite got how this may actually benefit them, be it in trophy pushing or farming :)

could be in for a shocker!

This thread actually made me eager for the new update. I've been a bit worried as a th9, due to barch/hogs/balloonian being the most viable strategies for, as far as i know, most th9s. I will definitely be checking back on this thread in the coming days.

Thanks for the excellent thread, awesome that you're helping fellow Clashers!!!! This needs to be stickied :)

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Thanks for the excellent thread, awesome that you're helping fellow Clashers!!!! This needs to be stickied :)

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Hi marika!!! Been awhile! :p There truly is a lot of positive aspects to the new update, I personally am always up for a challenge! :D

Also you th9 and th8 players have a little help with keeping your ressies a little safer now. Most of the time th9's are on average over ran with pesky pigs, now you won't be seein that as much and keeping your heroes close to your ressies should overall give you an advantage to keep your ressies safe. :D

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Hi marika!!! Been awhile! :p There truly is a lot of positive aspects to the new update, I personally am always up for a challenge! :D

Also you th9 and th8 players have a little help with keeping your ressies a little safer now. Most of the time th9's are on average over ran with pesky pigs, now you won't be seein that as much and keeping your heroes close to your ressies should overall give you an advantage to keep your ressies safe. :D

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This will be one of the most interesting updates we've had!! I'm really looking forward to see how people's attack and defense strategies change. Based on discussions I've had with people who've tested the new system, looks like there's a consensus about moving Heroes a bit more to the edges, and not having them in the middle next to Town Hall (if you're after trophies). Otherwise Heroes might attract attacking troops inside the village. Or Heroes might not be alerted at all, and attacker could get an easy 50%, taking out all collectors that are usually on the edges.

One interesting thing is that attacking actually feels a bit easier with the new system, at least for me. I know that this might sound weird, so I can't wait to hear what you think!! We'll be super focused on feedback, especially attack / defense balance feedback, and monitoring the data too. Please keep us posted!

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

This will be one of the most interesting updates we've had!! I'm really looking forward to see how people's attack and defense strategies change. Based on discussions I've had with people who've tested the new system, looks like there's a consensus about moving Heroes a bit more to the edges, and not having them in the middle next to Town Hall (if you're after trophies). Otherwise Heroes might attract attacking troops inside the village. Or Heroes might not be alerted at all, and attacker could get an easy 50%, taking out all collectors that are usually on the edges.

One interesting thing is that attacking actually feels a bit easier with the new system, at least for me. I know that this might sound weird, so I can't wait to hear what you think!! We'll be super focused on feedback, especially attack / defense balance feedback, and monitoring the data too. Please keep us posted!

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For sure we shall! :) I am dying as the minutes tick away waiting for the annoucement it is coming. I am super excited for this update and think it is going to change clash for the better. This update is HUGE for supercell and gives everyone a chance to feel the importance of heroes even at lower lvl's such as myself. The pekkas to throw into the mix is going to bring back gowipe to a whole new level and I am eager to see the youtubers replays.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Otherwise Heroes might attract attacking troops inside the village. Or Heroes might not be alerted at all, and attacker could get an easy 50%, taking out all collectors that are usually on the edges.

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This is one thought I have established thus far as well, some people are just in panic mode as what they have done for over a year won't work anymore.

But sometimes the fact that heroes constantly chase you all over the map is in fact a big problem if you haven't fully committed to a corner lure and kill.

Since they will be fixed, you will at times be able to simply avoid them like you would Infernos in certain locations.

I for one am looking forward to seeing the change in action. Brings strategy back to the game, it has gotten too routine at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Thanks for the excellent thread, awesome that you're helping fellow Clashers!!!! This needs to be stickied :)

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Thank you very much for stickying this! I really hope it helps people accustom to all the new aspects of the update, and I shall be updating as I go along. Still have a few things to add today :) which I will in due course!

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This is one thought I have established thus far as well, some people are just in panic mode as what they have done for over a year won't work anymore.

But sometimes the fact that heroes constantly chase you all over the map is in fact a big problem if you haven't fully committed to a corner lure and kill.

Since they will be fixed, you will at times be able to simply avoid them like you would Infernos in certain locations.

I for one am looking forward to seeing the change in action. Brings strategy back to the game, it has gotten too routine at the moment.

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I totally agree with this statement whole heartedly. Gowiwi has been almost an guaranteed two star army for a long time now, gives the high lvl players a chance to actually defend which will be a huge bonus for them! I for one use balloonions so this update is a huge help to me if heroes are stationed by the th! :)

Every half year supercells changes the System of playing so you have to develop troops and tactics not even used often before. The game becomes more and more difficulty. It's not for the gameplay it's only for making more Profit cause People Focus on updates they let untouched before. Now the most Players are going to gem to Change their chances of getting loot or trophies.

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Goodby Coc

Hi guys please I need gems like 3000 or 5000 super call you have everything please God will give you more then now

Well This Is Really Bad Update ! Now Its So Hard For Low Level Players To Take Them Heroes Out .. SuperCell U Just Focus On High Level Players Why ...... Now This Game Will Sucks ! We Cant Get Any More Loot !!!

Good to see there is an alternative to whining or panic. Being as you've done so well, got any ideas for th10 dark farming using giants? I can see them being a touch redundant as slow and get slapped up by heroes, and archers sure love ignoring heroes/cc troops laying waste to giants. Im thinking abandon giants and use whole heap of barbs instead, with plenty heal, wbs and arch. Then just got to be terrified of giant bombs. Thoughts?

Nice explanation on the new strategy that we should work on! As a TH 9 farmer, I'm quite worried about de farming. Since most of the de storage was placed in the middle of the base and it will be quite tough for ballonion to stay in the core with the present of heroes.

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Every half year supercells changes the System of playing so you have to develop troops and tactics not even used often before. The game becomes more and more difficulty. It's not for the gameplay it's only for making more Profit cause People Focus on updates they let untouched before. Now the most Players are going to gem to Change their chances of getting loot or trophies.

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Goodby Coc

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Well here is my response to this post... Buckle up, it's going to be a ride. First of all, these updates make game changes to give people enjoyment and bring new things to the game! Second of all, you're crying about something you've not even gave a chance! Third of all, you people whom constantly cry about money is getting really pathetic and old after awhile... If you can not bare it and give it a chance, quit playing and play FarmVille.... This post is not for whining about money.... This post is to help people whom actually have a strong mental state that can it a chance before knocking it.

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Hi guys please I need gems like 3000 or 5000 super call you have everything please God will give you more then now

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Let me tell you how to get gems! Click the green plus sign and buy some! :)

I still think barcher can be jeopardised if people put there heroes on edges of bases. Considering we cannot lure heroes once this update has been released. They are going to stand their ground around collectors and the best chance to get those heroes out is to spam archers or barbs but is a huge advantage and opportunity for a mortar particularly level 6 or above so if you spread your archers or barbs, once again she is able to pick off troop by troop. Any thoughts on barcher if heroes are on the edge? Maybe being some giants...

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Originally Posted by Madean

Well This Is Really Bad Update ! Now Its So Hard For Low Level Players To Take Them Heroes Out .. SuperCell U Just Focus On High Level Players Why ...... Now This Game Will Sucks ! We Cant Get Any More Loot !!!

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Attack lower level towns. Simples. If youre trying to farm resources, you surely want the richest weakest target you can find. If youre after trophies, then you want the biggest trophiest from weakest base. Theres no extra reward apart from a touch of satisfaction to punching above your weight. If u get high enough in 🏆s that all the bases are too hard, well done. You pushed well.

I really can't wait to try all the new things presented in this update.

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Well This Is Really Bad Update ! Now Its So Hard For Low Level Players To Take Them Heroes Out .. SuperCell U Just Focus On High Level Players Why ...... Now This Game Will Sucks ! We Cant Get Any More Loot !!!

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Did you even watch the video? Did you pay any attention at all to what they said? This update helps everyone! How can you come on here and whimper about something you've even tried yet?

I agree with the fact that it is not right that there is one (hog) tactic that suites most of the cases. And it absolutely has to be dealt with.

But the suggested heroes luring behavior i think is not a good approach. IMHO it will make the game less tactical. because you can't expect exactly which of your troops will reach king or queen location. U need a substantial amount of troops around heroes to kill them but if your main group spread out heroes will be killing them one by one.

Also it affects not only hog tactic but also giants and balloons, since they are defense targeted. These troops tend to go in front of others, meaning they will be the first to meet heroes (other troops usually stay behind and kill residual buildings). But giants wont be able to deal with heroes because they don't target them.

This change feels not right to me because it actually makes defense much stronger and unpredictable. I think it had to be vice versa - attack power had to be buffed. Because if you don't use hogs - you almost never can score 3 stars from a base of your equal level. Even if you plan your tactic very well - it whether not enough time or your troops being stupid breaking walls with nothing inside already.

Please don't release it. Think of some other way how to sort things out.

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Originally Posted by NonAs

i ve spent around 50 euros on the game it was a great game.
i gemmed some of the troop. i gemmed my hogs 5.
now i cant use them anymore.
it was hard because nowadays more and more anti hogs base but now they re useless.
i wont be able to have gowiwi before 3 month minimum.
only army left for me to attack is skill less full drag.


supercell go ♥♥♥♥ yourself you lost me by being too greedy

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Way to be mature kiddo.

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Originally Posted by MrLeeGrahamNord

I agree with the fact that it is not right that there is one (hog) tactic that suites most of the cases. And it absolutely has to be dealt with.

But the suggested heroes luring behavior i think is not a good approach. IMHO it will make the game less tactical. because you can't expect exactly which of your troops will reach king or queen location. U need a substantial amount of troops around heroes to kill them but if your main group spread out heroes will be killing them one by one.

Also it affects not only hog tactic but also giants and balloons, since they are defense targeted. These troops tend to go in front of others, meaning they will be the first to meet heroes (other troops usually stay behind and kill residual buildings). But giants wont be able to deal with heroes because they don't target them.

This change feels not right to me because it actually makes defense much stronger and unpredictable. I think it had to be vice versa - attack power had to be buffed. Because if you don't use hogs - you almost never can score 3 stars from a base of your equal level. Even if you plan your tactic very well - it whether not enough time or your troops being stupid breaking walls with nothing inside already.

Please don't release it. Think of some other way how to sort things out.

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That's Really Such A Great Idea ! I Agree ..

Nice thread you got here

how exactly will you do a storage raid with heroes in centre..heroes beside a wiz tower and storage..your troops focus on heroes and get killed by wiz tower..raid over

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Originally Posted by djsurfzz

how exactly will you do a storage raid with heroes in centre..heroes beside a wiz tower and storage..your troops focus on heroes and get killed by wiz tower..raid over

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Well.... Here is what I have thought about this issue. They are weaker now on defense, please keep this in mind when you are thinking about all this. Watch the video very closely and you will see how a lvl 40 king took out not only another lvl 40 king but also the lvl 40 queen and he did not engage the hero ability till after to regen health. So please keep in mind that your heroes can regen health and if giants and or golems are taking the heat, your heroes are safe behind the shields you put before them.

Great thread btw! :D Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I personally think the hero change will also benefit valks (in addition to the changes being made to them in this update of course), due to there splash damage meaning multiple buildings/walls can be taken out at the same time as the heroes. No other troop will really have this ability, as balloons target defenses only and Wizs/drag splash damage, from what I've seen, doesn't affect as big an area.

Anyway, that's my thoughts ;) Now eagerly awaiting the update. :p

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Well.... Here is what I have thought about this issue. They are weaker now on defense, please keep this in mind when you are thinking about all this. Watch the video very closely and you will see how a lvl 40 king took out not only another lvl 40 king but also the lvl 40 queen and he did not engage the hero ability till after to regen health. So please keep in mind that your heroes can regen health and if giants and or golems are taking the heat, your heroes are safe behind the shields you put before them.

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wtb barch or bam farming?u won't always have heroes and spells..so basically this just encourages people to use bigger armies..no more cheap army farming

What about TH9 guys who don't have freeze spell :(

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how exactly will you do a storage raid with heroes in centre..heroes beside a wiz tower and storage..your troops focus on heroes and get killed by wiz tower..raid over

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Just need both your heroes and 5 spells and it should be easy peasy 😏

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Originally Posted by Madean

That's Really Such A Great Idea ! I Agree ..

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Originally Posted by MrLeeGrahamNord

I agree with the fact that it is not right that there is one (hog) tactic that suites most of the cases. And it absolutely has to be dealt with.

But the suggested heroes luring behavior i think is not a good approach. IMHO it will make the game less tactical. because you can't expect exactly which of your troops will reach king or queen location. U need a substantial amount of troops around heroes to kill them but if your main group spread out heroes will be killing them one by one.

Also it affects not only hog tactic but also giants and balloons, since they are defense targeted. These troops tend to go in front of others, meaning they will be the first to meet heroes (other troops usually stay behind and kill residual buildings). But giants wont be able to deal with heroes because they don't target them.

This change feels not right to me because it actually makes defense much stronger and unpredictable. I think it had to be vice versa - attack power had to be buffed. Because if you don't use hogs - you almost never can score 3 stars from a base of your equal level. Even if you plan your tactic very well - it whether not enough time or your troops being stupid breaking walls with nothing inside already.

Please don't release it. Think of some other way how to sort things out.

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I totally agree with you and I'm a GOWIWI player that has moved past hogs.

If SC want to treat the heroes defensively as a building and centralise their territory they should make hogs target them aggressively when next to the heroes instead of running past and being chased down. This coupled with bombs doing more damage to hogs has surely marked the death of them.

I think drawing heroes and CC efficiently is already very tactical so I'm surprised hey went this route instead of buffing attack power.

Well have to wait for the update and see how the meta game changes from Hog Wars to Valkyrie Victories.... Did somebody say jump?

[QUOTE=djsurfzz;2248780]wtb barch or bam farming?u won't always have heroes and spells..so basically this just encourages people to use bigger armies..no more cheap army farming[/QUOTE

You want me to be one hundred percent honest here with you? I feel it will have very little effect on armies of that nature and also if it becomes an issue at all, bring 4 giants or even 2 to distract queen long enough to get in there and take them out. I really think people are afraid this will hurt us farmers, I feel it will benefit us more than you can imagine. Let's be real here, even farmers want to stay in a certain trophy range, correct? So most people are going to keep their king and queen out of harms way, no one on here likes waiting for heroes to regen, especially other farmers whom do not gem.

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What about TH9 guys who don't have freeze spell :(

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Just keep milking th8's. Don't give me that "its tough though" business either🙊

Alright guys! This post if for everybody who thinks this update will "ruin the game" or that its "just being done for money" and that you think supercell should just "go ♥♥♥♥ themselves". Now think about it for a sec...you haven't actually used this update yet, you may like it! AND let's say in a month from now people complain so much about it that they patch a nerf...then people will complain about whatever was nerfed...my point is that they cant make everybody happy!

Second thing: some potential strats that can be honed with this update:

Farmers, this is a gooooooood update! No more 5 minions in ur camps to kill barb kings!!!

Barcher and garcher wont be ruined!!! Heroes stay in the middle, so take out cc and BOOM easy raid.


Now to all of you people who (like me) looooove hog riders!

Hog raids aren't ruined!!!!!!!! Yeah sure the queen stays in the middle...BUT she has been nerfed on health AND damage! In fact. The damage nerf is so big, that a lvl 20 queen does less than 200 damage!! So thats about 2-5 hits per hog if u use healing...so queen staying on ur hogs for a min isn't a big deal guys!!!!


And to all you players who ARENT whining and crying about this epix update: we are gonna have some great farming! with All these players saying they are leaving COC we are gonna have a good amount of inactive bases😂😂😂


And let me touch on the jump spell factor...
Jump spells will be epic! So for CW dont pout about no hogs! Use the new jump spells! AND the mew spells will have power over every troop even those that are out of range! Talk about good! So you can use the new valks and jump spells to great results!!!


Thanx for reading and if you have any other questions about how it will work...tell me! 😆😆😆😎😎😎

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Originally Posted by Miningclasher16

Alright guys! This post if for everybody who thinks this update will "ruin the game" or that its "just being done for money" and that you think supercell should just "go ♥♥♥♥ themselves". Now think about it for a sec...you haven't actually used this update yet, you may like it! AND let's say in a month from now people complain so much about it that they patch a nerf...then people will complain about whatever was nerfed...my point is that they cant make everybody happy!

Second thing: some potential strats that can be honed with this update:

Farmers, this is a gooooooood update! No more 5 minions in ur camps to kill barb kings!!!

Barcher and garcher wont be ruined!!! Heroes stay in the middle, so take out cc and BOOM easy raid.


Now to all of you people who (like me) looooove hog riders!

Hog raids aren't ruined!!!!!!!! Yeah sure the queen stays in the middle...BUT she has been nerfed on health AND damage! In fact. The damage nerf is so big, that a lvl 20 queen does less than 200 damage!! So thats about 2-5 hits per hog if u use healing...so queen staying on ur hogs for a min isn't a big deal guys!!!!


And to all you players who ARENT whining and crying about this epix update: we are gonna have some great farming! with All these players saying they are leaving COC we are gonna have a good amount of inactive bases😂😂😂


And let me touch on the jump spell factor...
Jump spells will be epic! So for CW dont pout about no hogs! Use the new jump spells! AND the mew spells will have power over every troop even those that are out of range! Talk about good! So you can use the new valks and jump spells to great results!!!


Thanx for reading and if you have any other questions about how it will work...tell me! 😆😆😆😎😎😎

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Very well put my friend! I feel this update is a huge advantage to everyone, farmers and pushers alike.

scooby do you know what farming is or you just trolling?

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scooby do you know what farming is or you just trolling?

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Nope? What is farming? What is barch? What is Garch? What is loonions? Gold, who needs that? I am pretty sure I am well aware what farming is mate. My gg shows it, my heroic heist shows it... Don't think I can gem those? Maybe though? :)

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Well here is my response to this post... Buckle up, it's going to be a ride. First of all, these updates make game changes to give people enjoyment and bring new things to the game! Second of all, you're crying about something you've not even gave a chance! Third of all, you people whom constantly cry about money is getting really pathetic and old after awhile... If you can not bare it and give it a chance, quit playing and play FarmVille.... This post is not for whining about money.... This post is to help people whom actually have a strong mental state that can it a chance before knocking it.

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Where are new Features? tesla, pekka and valkyrie we got before only one Level more for about 8Mio. a Piece updating i think.

jump spells? no one needed them cause for real raiding without gems you wait to Long for creating and often don't get the costs back.

Heroes: i've seen many bases with underleveld heroes (esp. th10 with lvl1 queen and lvl3 bK). So the changes won't affect most Players at the Moment only when you go on for gemming.

So it's good to Change thinks but who will be affected by that in the next weeks? so only blablabla...

go on gemming when you don't know other thinks to spend your real life and Money for...

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Where are new Features? tesla, pekka and valkyrie we got before only one Level more for about 8Mio. a Piece updating i think.

jump spells? no one needed them cause for real raiding without gems you wait to Long for creating and often don't get the costs back.

Heroes: i've seen many bases with underleveld heroes (esp. th10 with lvl1 queen and lvl3 bK). So the changes won't affect most Players at the Moment only when you go on for gemming.

So it's good to Change thinks but who will be affected by that in the next weeks? so only blablabla...

go on gemming when you don't know other thinks to spend your real life and Money for...

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Cough* clearly you can not read at all... I am a farmer, always will be a farmer. But I can also push to 3600s without gems... You should really learn to read things before making a fool of yourself to everyone that is reading! :*

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Originally Posted by Miningclasher16

Alright guys! This post if for everybody who thinks this update will "ruin the game" or that its "just being done for money" and that you think supercell should just "go ♥♥♥♥ themselves". Now think about it for a sec...you haven't actually used this update yet, you may like it! AND let's say in a month from now people complain so much about it that they patch a nerf...then people will complain about whatever was nerfed...my point is that they cant make everybody happy!

Second thing: some potential strats that can be honed with this update:

Farmers, this is a gooooooood update! No more 5 minions in ur camps to kill barb kings!!!

Barcher and garcher wont be ruined!!! Heroes stay in the middle, so take out cc and BOOM easy raid.


Now to all of you people who (like me) looooove hog riders!

Hog raids aren't ruined!!!!!!!! Yeah sure the queen stays in the middle...BUT she has been nerfed on health AND damage! In fact. The damage nerf is so big, that a lvl 20 queen does less than 200 damage!! So thats about 2-5 hits per hog if u use healing...so queen staying on ur hogs for a min isn't a big deal guys!!!!


And to all you players who ARENT whining and crying about this epix update: we are gonna have some great farming! with All these players saying they are leaving COC we are gonna have a good amount of inactive bases������


And let me touch on the jump spell factor...
Jump spells will be epic! So for CW dont pout about no hogs! Use the new jump spells! AND the mew spells will have power over every troop even those that are out of range! Talk about good! So you can use the new valks and jump spells to great results!!!


Thanx for reading and if you have any other questions about how it will work...tell me! ������������

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This thread sorry to say, is like Supercell propaganda everybody who is complaining is doing it for reasons, not to mention why do people hate when people complain, I have said this before we aren't yes men. The reason we have forums and all that is to help Supercell make the best game possible. They can't possibly think of everything, so the forums is a great place for them to get some feedback. People who are saying this update is great aren't helping at all. Nothing is perfect and you must have something you don't like be honest. We are just trying to make the game better, and not be YES MEN LIKE YOU GUYS. The fact is if we can't even say why an update is bad without their becoming like so many threads and people defending Supercell. Then what's the point of the forums, to say what great job Supercell did? Then there is no point at all, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but many seem to hate it like this thread and many who commented it like yourself.

EDIT: Wow its been sticked just realized that, talk about propaganda.

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Originally Posted by Miningclasher16

Alright guys! This post if for everybody who thinks this update will "ruin the game" or that its "just being done for money" and that you think supercell should just "go ♥♥♥♥ themselves". Now think about it for a sec...you haven't actually used this update yet, you may like it! AND let's say in a month from now people complain so much about it that they patch a nerf...then people will complain about whatever was nerfed...my point is that they cant make everybody happy!

Second thing: some potential strats that can be honed with this update:

Farmers, this is a gooooooood update! No more 5 minions in ur camps to kill barb kings!!!

Barcher and garcher wont be ruined!!! Heroes stay in the middle, so take out cc and BOOM easy raid.


Now to all of you people who (like me) looooove hog riders!

Hog raids aren't ruined!!!!!!!! Yeah sure the queen stays in the middle...BUT she has been nerfed on health AND damage! In fact. The damage nerf is so big, that a lvl 20 queen does less than 200 damage!! So thats about 2-5 hits per hog if u use healing...so queen staying on ur hogs for a min isn't a big deal guys!!!!


And to all you players who ARENT whining and crying about this epix update: we are gonna have some great farming! with All these players saying they are leaving COC we are gonna have a good amount of inactive bases😂😂😂


And let me touch on the jump spell factor...
Jump spells will be epic! So for CW dont pout about no hogs! Use the new jump spells! AND the mew spells will have power over every troop even those that are out of range! Talk about good! So you can use the new valks and jump spells to great results!!!


Thanx for reading and if you have any other questions about how it will work...tell me! 😆😆😆😎😎😎

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maybe u missed the part that they will take more damage from bombs now..
yeah its a little detail one single bomb to kill all your hogs lol
barching to farm de yeah right very effective
at least there will be so many inactives after that update u can keep barching

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Originally Posted by Superraven

This thread sorry to say, is like Supercell propaganda everybody who is complaining is doing it for reasons, not to mention why do people hate when people complain, I have said this before we aren't yes men. The reason we have forums and all that is to help Supercell make the best game possible. They can't possibly think of everything, so the forums is a great place for them to get some feedback. People who are saying this update is great aren't helping at all. Nothing is perfect and you must have something you don't like be honest. We are just trying to make the game better, and not be YES MEN LIKE YOU GUYS. The fact is if we can't even say why an update is bad without their becoming like so many threads and people defending Supercell. Then what's the point of the forums, to say what great job Supercell did? Then there is no point at all, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but many seem to hate it like this thread and many who commented it like yourself.

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I think you miss interpreted what he was trying to state. He was just saying how can anyone complain about something they have yet tried? That is so close minded. Let's say you never had pizza before, someone is offering you a slice for the first time, you going to say you hate it without even giving it a try? Why complain about something that you've never even gave a chance?

Well I Regret About Saying Its Not a Good Update ! .. i guessed wrong .. that will be cool for all of us .. specially farmers ... and about attacking .. hogs are unusable now .. so we have to focus on more new strategy ! .. and i really like about the spell change .. hope to keep this update up and CLASH ON !

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This thread sorry to say, is like Supercell propaganda everybody who is complaining is doing it for reasons, not to mention why do people hate when people complain, I have said this before we aren't yes men. The reason we have forums and all that is to help Supercell make the best game possible. They can't possibly think of everything, so the forums is a great place for them to get some feedback. People who are saying this update is great aren't helping at all. Nothing is perfect and you must have something you don't like be honest. We are just trying to make the game better, and not be YES MEN LIKE YOU GUYS. The fact is if we can't even say why an update is bad without their becoming like so many threads and people defending Supercell. Then what's the point of the forums, to say what great job Supercell did? Then there is no point at all, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but many seem to hate it like this thread and many who commented it like yourself.

EDIT: Wow its been sticked just realized that, talk about propaganda.

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very well put, and I agree that of course there should be both sides to the story. How can supercell make a difference, when all we do it agree that the update was perfect, when actually there could be some flaws to it.

We we still have yet to actually experience it, so my post is mainly conspiracy. BUT, as mentioned on my first post, I have written it to the best of my knowledge from watching the videos about it :)

All comments are wanted here regarding whether the update could be a good/bad one, how to overcome it with well know/used strategies, and what maybe to expect... At the minute all conspiracy but with an educated guess behind it ;)

what I ( and others ) do not want is flame wars/name calling/etc. This thread is meant for one soul purpose. To help. :)

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maybe u missed the part that they will take more damage from bombs now..
yeah its a little detail one single bomb to kill all your hogs lol
barching to farm de yeah right very effective
at least there will be so many inactives after that update u can keep barching

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we do not know what the damage will be yet towards hogs, be it double or just +10/50. We shall have to wait and see, and then I shall update the thread :)

I will be updating the OP in the next hour or so, I have read some great comments, some of which I feel should be implemented into the OP :)

thank you all for your feedback and ideas! This game would be nothing without you guys!! ;)

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Cough* clearly you can not read at all... I am a farmer, always will be a farmer. But I can also push to 3600s without gems... You should really learn to read things before making a fool of yourself to everyone that is reading! :*

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And you can't tolerate critism...

so let's have a look at your Profile in CoC and we will now how good or bad you 're farming.

And 3600 trophies can be reached by everyone only looking hours for outside th's or easys 50%...

Only your Profile tells the truth...

I watched Chief Pat's video closely looking for one thing: whether or not attacking troops will hunt down the heroes. In one of the attacks he's playing on screen while chatting with jonas, you can quite clearly see a group of witches and wizards happily ignoring the defending barb king while another group is taking him down. It's a bit hard to spot because Chief Pat is happily panning all over the place.

What I took this to mean is that your troops won't hunt the hero until the hero engages them--and if they're not in range when that happens they don't seem to notice. This may be something to watch for and experiment with because if your troops won't actively hunt down a hero, it significantly affects attacks such as GOWIPE and mass dragon.

As pointed out earlier in this thread this is actually good for attacks such as barch or miniloon, where you can simply ignore the heroes in some cases.

No one really said you had to use all hogs... You could use them to take out an air defence in a balloonion raid or a mortar/wizzie in a raid with lots of tier 1 troops. :)

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very well put, and I agree that of course there should be both sides to the story. How can supercell make a difference, when all we do it agree that the update was perfect, when actually there could be some flaws to it.

We we still have yet to actually experience it, so my post is mainly conspiracy. BUT, as mentioned on my first post, I have written it to the best of my knowledge from watching the videos about it :)

All comments are wanted here regarding whether the update could be a good/bad one, how to overcome it with well know/used strategies, and what maybe to expect... At the minute all conspiracy but with an educated guess behind it ;)

what I ( and others ) do not want is flame wars/name calling/etc. This thread is meant for one soul purpose. To help. :)



we do not know what the damage will be yet towards hogs, be it double or just +10/50. We shall have to wait and see, and then I shall update the thread :)

I will be updating the OP in the next your or so, I have read some great comments, some of which I feel should be implemented into the OP :)

thank nm you all for your feedback and ideas! This game would be nothing without you guys!! ;)

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Thank You for the response actually impressed, first person who actually respectful and understand my point. I hope this update is great, but what I have seen I don't think it will but who knows hopefully I am wrong and this works. Thanks for the feedback and good job on the thread it really did go other all the good stuff about this, not the bad but the good quite well.

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No one really said you had to use all hogs... You could use them to take out an air defence in a balloonion raid or a mortar/wizzie in a raid with lots of tier 1 troops. :)

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It's usually a terrible idea to mix ground troops with a sky attack--unless you really want to watch your minions chase down a golem in front of an inferno tower.

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Well.... Here is what I have thought about this issue. They are weaker now on defense, please keep this in mind when you are thinking about all this. Watch the video very closely and you will see how a lvl 40 king took out not only another lvl 40 king but also the lvl 40 queen and he did not engage the hero ability till after to regen health. So please keep in mind that your heroes can regen health and if giants and or golems are taking the heat, your heroes are safe behind the shields you put before them.

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Are you telling me that killing 2 heroes in the center of a base with defenses AND heroes smashing my golem up is easier than simply luring them out and killing em with a few witches? Come down and get your heads outta the clouds dude

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Thank You for the response actually impressed, first person who actually respectful and understand my point. I hope this update is great, but what I have seen I don't think it will but who knows hopefully I am wrong and this works. Thanks for the feedback and good job on the thread it really did go other all the good stuff about this, not the bad but the good quite well.

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Your signature speaks out for the person you are. I respect that ;)

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I think you miss interpreted what he was trying to state. He was just saying how can anyone complain about something they have yet tried? That is so close minded. Let's say you never had pizza before, someone is offering you a slice for the first time, you going to say you hate it without even giving it a try? Why complain about something that you've never even gave a chance?

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Easy, so according to your logic I have to complain about something before I try it, well that makes perfect sense, do how does government work, they have to pass and idea first for it to happen yet people already have their opinions. Example let's look at the Supreme Court case about Hobby Lobby, decision supported Hobby Lobby. But before that people had already picked their sides so you are saying that people need to try something before the decide. Well how do presidential elections work then unless one is an incumbent which in 2016 none will be, we have to pick which is best from what we know even if we haven't tried them. My point is simple, in the update I have already seen videos about it and comments and I made my mind for what I saw, now I hope I am wrong and this update is great but for what I have seen it does concern mean so far.

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Your signature speaks out for the person you are. I respect that ;)

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I try lol, I try.

PS: I love family Guy, great show so that profile pic very good. And I leave you with this :rolleyes:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../15/Xerxes.png

yep so guys no more efficient farming..u need bigger troops now..or you can boost your spell factory the whole day to get those storages

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yep so guys no more efficient farming..u need bigger troops now..or you can boost your spell factory the whole day to get those storages

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Problem for me is i boost barracks also if I'm raiding and usually only go into a raid with one or 2 spells 😭

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Easy, so according to your logic I have to complain about something before I try it, well that makes perfect sense, do how does government work, they have to pass and idea first for it to happen yet people already have their opinions. Example let's look at the Supreme Court case about Hobby Lobby, decision supported Hobby Lobby. But before that people had already picked their sides so you are saying that people need to try something before the decide. Well how do presidential elections work then unless one is an incumbent which in 2016 none will be, we have to pick which is best from what we know even if we haven't tried them. My point is simple, in the update I have already seen videos about it and comments and I made my mind for what I saw, now I hope I am wrong and this update is great but for what I have seen it does concern mean so far.

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That was worded beautifully, at least you're saying you have an open mind about it! :) give it a shot, you might like it.

Hi I am Tzanyo
i would like to add on few things for aq n bbk in atk as well as def.;)
Aq n BBk in Def, it would be greater if bbk n aq hav another use like in atk mode:confused::confused:,ur bbk n aq dmg will go higher than b4 n their atk speed will be faster, but their health will sure be reduce according to fair;).In def mode, aq n bbk health will be more but their dmg will be reduce:p.I would like to hav aq n bbk further add on like buying some equipment for further make them more strong:D:D, like normal game make their character more strong(exp maple story).
Aq n BBk in Atk form, i would like a few add on too:cool::cool:, regarding to their atk way,arent they less something:confused::confused:??it would be great if they hav 2 ability in once atk,exp: aq will be having "2 Ultra Arrow":o:o shooting through 2 building(6 square) which we can choose whr to aim n bbk will be having multiple BBk:rolleyes::rolleyes: it means 2 BBk in 1 atk but taking 10 s for multiple only for minimum.
Mine opinion of this game will further been post, once a month,regarding for aq n bbk in atk form it doesnt matter bbk or aq having the new ability i talk about,as long as it come true then would be great;);)~

Never once did I claim it to be easier, no where in my statement ever said that actually.... I said, it can still be done though with shields.

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That was worded beautifully, at least you're saying you have an open mind about it! :) give it a shot, you might like it.

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I hope I am wrong too, we will see soon, I would say it would give it a good couple days before I can make my opinion, not to mention I am only a th 8 so some stuff won't affect me, but the heros will and the valks and the clan war stuff and the hog nerf. But probably the heroes the most, we will wait and see.

If heroes not chasing anyone, what's the point of this update? Let me tell ya. It's the nerf of heroes. That ability compensate is garbage because you have nerfed damage. Queen's 3 seconds damage is NOTHING. After all the money that I spent, I'm not happy for this update. It's like my investment dropped value.

You want nerf? That's okay but not significantly. If my heroes suck, me quit. Not gonna spend a penny on your game any more.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

I hope I am wrong too, we will see soon, I would say it would give it a good couple days before I can make my opinion, not to mention I am only a th 8 so some stuff won't affect me, but the heros will and the valks and the clan war stuff and the hog nerf. But probably the heroes the most, we will wait and see.

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Hopefully the hog nerf detours people from using them on you in clan wars :)

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Originally Posted by Sabotage777

Problem for me is i boost barracks also if I'm raiding and usually only go into a raid with one or 2 spells 😭

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yes I'm currently farming de in masters as a the with loons..so i carry at least one spell per raid..but think about this..u rush the side with de storage and your loons all get shot down..now you are at the storage but the archer queen is there..your minions are redirected by the archer queen and get picked off by bows and wtv other defences

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Hopefully the hog nerf detours people from using them on you in clan wars :)

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Actually its the other way around, nobody has ever successful hogged my base, only like 2-3 have attempted it, mainly because I am a hog user myself and know how to beat hogs, I am great in using them to, not being able to lure heros will be a problem but I am sure I can fix it when using them. I like a challenge, and if people think hogs are dead and stop making anti-hog bases then they got another thing coming, because that will just make my job easy, all I need to do is succesful find a good way to kill heros and I am set and I think I got an idea to. :D

if heroes don't redirect troops then i'll be fine with the update

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Originally Posted by Superraven

Actually its the other way around, nobody has ever successful hogged my base, only like 2-3 have attempted it, mainly because I am a hog user myself and know how to beat hogs, I am great in using them to, not being able to lure heros will be a problem but I am sure I can fix it when using them. I like a challenge, and if people think hogs are dead and stop making anti-hog bases then they got another thing coming, because that will just make my job easy, all I need to do is succesful find a good way to kill heros and I am set and I think I got an idea to. :D

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Exactly mate! There is still going to be a way too implement them into normal farming and pushing even. Granted heroes are in the center and can not be lured, also can not leave their post to chase either.

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Exactly mate! There is still going to be a way too implement them into normal farming and pushing even. Granted heroes are in the center and can not be lured, also can not leave their post to chase either.

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Mainly use them for clan wars since I want to save my dark elixir but, hopefully people are naive and stop making anti hog base, then the fun begins :rolleyes: .

I like it~

Saw a link to this on Facebook.

Nice work H.

And Scoobs, where the hell ya been??

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Never once did I claim it to be easier, no where in my statement ever said that actually.... I said, it can still be done though with shields.

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Actually you did. On this planet weaker is easier

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Well.... Here is what I have thought about this issue. They are weaker now on defense, please keep this in mind when you are thinking about all this. Watch the video very closely and you will see how a lvl 40 king took out not only another lvl 40 king but also the lvl 40 queen and he did not engage the hero ability till after to regen health. So please keep in mind that your heroes can regen health and if giants and or golems are taking the heat, your heroes are safe behind the shields you put before them.

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and of course my response again since you either missed it or ignored

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Originally Posted by Sabotage777

Are you telling me that killing 2 heroes in the center of a base with defenses AND heroes smashing my golem up is easier than simply luring them out and killing em with a few witches? Come down and get your heads outta the clouds dude

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Originally Posted by Stitch

Saw a link to this on Facebook.

Nice work H.

And Scoobs, where the hell ya been??

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Stitch!!! <3 well for 17 days I was sick with a viral infection that put my happy rear end in the hospital, quit playing up until a few days ago while I was in the ER

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Originally Posted by Sabotage777

Actually you did. On this planet weaker is easier
and of course my response again since you either missed it or ignored

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Ummm.... Do I need to pull out a dictionary for you my friend on the definitions of easier and weaker? I can, no harm in pulling one out if need be I reckon. Easier and weaker are two different things completely... I have no idea what planet you are living on, maybe it's best you are there.

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Originally Posted by Scoobysnack

Ummm.... Do I need to pull out a dictionary for you my friend on the definitions of easier and weaker? I can, no harm in pulling one out if need be I reckon. Easier and weaker are two different things completely... I have no idea what planet you are living on, maybe it's best you are there.

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If your comment "weaker" was in reference to hit points thats just silly to act as though that is some sorta perk in our favor. It wouldn't matter if both heroes had 6000hp each if they can lured. Your overly optimistic view of how great this update is for the attacker is sorta, well.....magoo

I am looking forward to using the Heroes in attacks with healing power on activating the Heroes abilities.
We have to keep in mind about using it carefully and activate the Heroes abilities just when they are near about to die or in middle of it, so that we can take the full advantage of Heroes healing power in new updates.

Doing attacks are gonna be lot more fun after the updates than ever ;)

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Originally Posted by Sabotage777

If your comment "weaker" was in reference to hit points thats just silly to act as though that is some sorta perk in our favor. It wouldn't matter if both heroes had 6000hp each if they can lured. Your overly optimistic view of how great this update is for the attacker is sorta, well.....magoo

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No harm in being optimistic! Look, every update there is always complaints and how it is going to ruin the game... Until I have tried out the new features and see for myself if my theory is right, what harm is being optimistic? Besides, someone had to be happy and bring cheer to the good people of clash! :) at the end of the day, I will either learn how to use them or not, tis just a game after all.