Dark Defendum - TH8 farming base

How this base works ?

Units with no favorite targets will go merry-go-round (often).

Giants are deployed in two channels, and each channel is capable of throwing upto 12 giants, while also taking hits from tesla and other splash damages.

Wall breakers will be wasted on chambers that encloses builders hut before making it through the core.

How attacks progress on this base ?

Case I : Attacker goes for DE only and does not care about gold/elixir

Advanced troops and proper strategy can break through any bases. I have myself taken 1-2 K DE from TH9-TH10 by creating pathways deep in the base. The dedicated DE farming strategy will not be able to save DE from any base. However, DE storage is covered by all splash damage buildings and it will not be easy penetrating through. I have not had such attacks yet

Case II : Attacker goes for gold/elixir and will take away some bonus DE

I have had only these attacks, they go for gold/elixir. In these cases, well executed attacks with no clan castle troops have walked away with 2/3rd of 1 resource, 1/3rd of other resource and DE remains untouched.


Resources
Usually I only get TH snipped and the times I get attacked they manage to take resources upto 1/3rd of what is available and very very very rarely make it to the DE.


Trophy Range
I have had lots of success upto Crystal III and early Crystal II, I haven't tested it beyond that.

Keep you castle filled with archers and wizards, they will come in really handy and I'll be very surprised if you loose resources and trophies with the trophy configuration.

Features
1. DE storage behind three layers of walls
2. Funnel for giants
3. 95% centralized CC
4. Air Defences cover all buildings behind walls
5. 3 Mortars cover all buildings behind walls
6. 2 Tesla's fry troops from behind the storages.

Farming Configuration

http://s25.postimg.org/96d5leh4v/dark_defendum_v1_5.png

Possible 4th Mortar Configurations (Farming) Untested variation by me http://i.imgur.com/y36JxIA.png by Raylek http://i.imgur.com/Y5y8bie.png Possible 4th Mortar Configurations (Trophy) by plenny34 http://i.imgur.com/OlDuqSL.jpg Trophy Configuration (also saves resources) http://s2.postimg.org/lrnq6v3hl/IMG_0461.png

Defences http://s25.postimg.org/bdxiqyfr3/giant_healer_L5.png http://s25.postimg.org/f03c3lm4f/golem.png

http://s25.postimg.org/xgxquf22n/L6_Defence.png



Defence Replays

* A big thank you to our clan leader Vnay for recording all these replays.

http://youtu.be/yzqQ56EibyE


http://youtu.be/wNjHYSWGeS0


http://youtu.be/vldPuSnEKC0

When I looked at your base for the 1st time, I thought it was the famous "The tempest" base design but when looked carefully I realized its bit different. Nice base by the way!

Can you post a pic showing the Clan Castle radius? Also, can you post some battle logs, if any?

Gold storages arent in radius of Wizard tower, but seems nice.

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Originally Posted by palashm

When I looked at your base for the 1st time, I thought it was the famous "The tempest" base design but when looked carefully I realized its bit different. Nice base by the way!

Can you post a pic showing the Clan Castle radius? Also, can you post some battle logs, if any?

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hmm, yeah the lower buffer of both these bases have similar visual. Huge fan of tempest, I had been using orz's another base Shuriken ever since I got to TH8 and now thought of designing my own.

I designed it yesterday, all the attack I have had since yesterday are TH sniping. I will keep the logs section updated.

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Originally Posted by Luba

Gold storages arent in radius of Wizard tower, but seems nice.

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Now it has been corrected. Thanks for pointing it out

cheers

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Originally Posted by palashm

When I looked at your base for the 1st time, I thought it was the famous "The tempest" base design but when looked carefully I realized its bit different. Nice base by the way!

Can you post a pic showing the Clan Castle radius? Also, can you post some battle logs, if any?

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It has eventually gone to change a lot from what it was initially

Is the base updated on this thread?

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Is the base updated on this thread?

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Yes its updated

I don't see the farming in this base. All elixirs are easily accessible and all but 1 gold storage. Seems like a barch/bam basic army could take the majority of your storages. I also don't like the 2 mortars that are right next to each other. A couple of lightning spells knock out both of them.

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Originally Posted by lastnline

I don't see the farming in this base. All elixirs are easily accessible and all but 1 gold storage. Seems like a barch/bam basic army could take the majority of your storages. I also don't like the 2 mortars that are right next to each other. A couple of lightning spells knock out both of them.

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Really ??? you made it so easy ?

but your analysis is far from reality here mate. I have had attacks with different troop combo's and all they manage to take is 1/3rd of the resource. I think that is pretty good farming considering the fact I hover around Gold III - Gold I. Level 5/6 troops massive giant-healer-wizard, BAM, BARCH. This base has seen it all and I would reckon it has 92% success record.

I don't think the mortars can be considered "right next to each other" and can be taken out with one lightning.

The defense is yet to max out, but I am very happy with how this base has been holding up

Hi,

This looks like a very solid design. I don't see you losing more than half your resources from a TH8-9 raid, due to the triangulation of splash/air defenses and trap usage. It would also be hard to identify where the giant bombs/teslas would be.

I wouldn't raid your base if I saw it, so that's good for you.

Nice job.

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Originally Posted by SkyMage1001

Hi,

This looks like a very solid design. I don't see you losing more than half your resources from a TH8-9 raid, due to the triangulation of splash/air defenses and trap usage. It would also be hard to identify where the giant bombs/teslas would be.

I wouldn't raid your base if I saw it, so that's good for you.

Nice job.

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Thanks :)

Yeah the traps, giant-bombs and Tesla's have been very effective

I am so glad that i decided to design my own base and came up with Dark Defendum.

It has been a great help in taking my Barbarian King to L10

How has this done vs th9 and AQ? I thought I had a decent base but got slammed for 1.5k dark (and I even dropped trophies to silver 1 to protect it). I am looking for dark protection specifically.

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Originally Posted by superman124124

How has this done vs th9 and AQ? I thought I had a decent base but got slammed for 1.5k dark (and I even dropped trophies to silver 1 to protect it). I am looking for dark protection specifically.

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It has held up to about 80% of TH9 attacks but not all and unfortunately most of my key defences were being upgraded when the attacks happened.

Like I said, this base has been a great help for me to take my BK to L10

Looks like a pretty solid base to me. I'm not in the market for DE, but I would skip your base if I was. Except I may zap you since your gold storage is right by the DE storage so I'd get some double action.

As a low-mid TH8, I would do the following if I saw your base today:

- Snipe TH with 10 archers, 10 barbs. Let them continue to army camp & gold mine as I drop about 10 more of each to support & kill the builder's huts.
- At the start, put a minion on the upper right side elixir collector near TH. I would be surprised by the tesla, so I would drop barbs & archers to kill it and clear the upper right side like I was planning to do.
- As soon as barbs are in range of distracting the right WT from the upper side, I would test for air bombs with 1 minion, then drop a swarm to snipe the gold storage.

I would probably spend about 30-40 barbs, 30-40 archers, and 20 minions. I might be disappointed with my 100k gold haul, but I would be fine with it if I was about to take a 10 minute break.

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Originally Posted by budawpi

Looks like a pretty solid base to me. I'm not in the market for DE, but I would skip your base if I was. Except I may zap you since your gold storage is right by the DE storage so I'd get some double action.

As a low-mid TH8, I would do the following if I saw your base today:

- Snipe TH with 10 archers, 10 barbs. Let them continue to army camp & gold mine as I drop about 10 more of each to support & kill the builder's huts.
- At the start, put a minion on the upper right side elixir collector near TH. I would be surprised by the tesla, so I would drop barbs & archers to kill it and clear the upper right side like I was planning to do.
- As soon as barbs are in range of distracting the right WT from the upper side, I would test for air bombs with 1 minion, then drop a swarm to snipe the gold storage.

I would probably spend about 30-40 barbs, 30-40 archers, and 20 minions. I might be disappointed with my 100k gold haul, but I would be fine with it if I was about to take a 10 minute break.

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Nice strategy :) !!!

In my experience, the people attacking from right side haven't been much succesfull in taking away the Gold. The reason is the mines and collectors they create a merry-go-round funnel for barbs-archers, in case where people deploy 1-to-1 archer to pump have managed to break the funnel but then again they will be taking hits from 2 archer towers, 1 cannon, 1 wiz tower and 1 mortar to say the least.

Also the gate towards the right side will let the barbs archer flow in towards the cannon and then they move towards the archer tower walking right through spring trap and giant bomb.

The x junctions just bother me :( Otherwise, the base looks good :)

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Originally Posted by Yango

The x junctions just bother me :( Otherwise, the base looks good :)

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and yet no one has managed to exploit it yet ;)

Looks like a solid design! Would like to try this out. I just checked your current base set up, and it looks slightly different than the one in the first page. Do you mind posting an updated pic of your current set up? ;) And where do you suggest to place the third tesla? :cool: Thanks!

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Originally Posted by empeefizzle

Looks like a solid design! Would like to try this out. I just checked your current base set up, and it looks slightly different than the one in the first page. Do you mind posting an updated pic of your current set up? ;) And where do you suggest to place the third tesla? :cool: Thanks!

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Thanks :)

I have updated the main image with the latest one.

There are two possible settings for the third Tesla.

1. as in the image (recommended)
2. place the third tesla in place of the giant bomb between AD and mortar (in cases where you want extra protection for your DE)

Added Trophy configuration !!!

The trophy base also saves resources.

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

Added Trophy configuration !!!

The trophy base also saves resources.

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hey, been at th8 for about 3 weeks, have everything but the extra dark barracks. umm, ad is kinda low just have 2 ad lvl 4s (totally slacked and didnt max at th7 yes yes i know) but man, ill tell ya i switched from that guy avernicus? or whatever's dark desires which supposedly is the best when you have maxed out th8 and well i kept getting slaughtered. so i used this for the past 2 days and got hit a few times. i did switch the barb king and gold storage because idk i just thought it would help a bit better. that could be bad with lightening spells but ive only been hit once with that spell in 3 weeks. oh and i got hit by like 5 dragons this morning. some lvl 5 wizards and a ♥♥♥♥load of archers and i have my mortar upgrading and ad and 2 archers and all he took was 100k gold out of 220k and 50k elixir out of 200k so im really happy with it. im not so creative so i cant make my own base, idk how to do screen shots but was wondering about the trophy design. i cannot see that image for some odd reason

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Originally Posted by Darius91

hey, been at th8 for about 3 weeks, have everything but the extra dark barracks. umm, ad is kinda low just have 2 ad lvl 4s (totally slacked and didnt max at th7 yes yes i know) but man, ill tell ya i switched from that guy avernicus? or whatever's dark desires which supposedly is the best when you have maxed out th8 and well i kept getting slaughtered. so i used this for the past 2 days and got hit a few times. i did switch the barb king and gold storage because idk i just thought it would help a bit better. that could be bad with lightening spells but ive only been hit once with that spell in 3 weeks. oh and i got hit by like 5 dragons this morning. some lvl 5 wizards and a ♥♥♥♥load of archers and i have my mortar upgrading and ad and 2 archers and all he took was 100k gold out of 220k and 50k elixir out of 200k so im really happy with it. im not so creative so i cant make my own base, idk how to do screen shots but was wondering about the trophy design. i cannot see that image for some odd reason

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Thanks :) Very glad that DD was of help to you.

the image is showing fine here but here is the link to trophy image

After you upgrade your defences, it'll save you more resources.

The only defences where I have lost is with revenge attacks.

I really enjoy the way you organize your OP. It's clear and straight to the point. Very well done :)

One question though, what are the dimension/size of your images? When I did mine in my TH8 thread, Oski, the images appear a bit too big.

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Originally Posted by Yango

I really enjoy the way you organize your OP. It's clear and straight to the point. Very well done :)

One question though, what are the dimension/size of your images? When I did mine in my TH8 thread, Oski, the images appear a bit too big.

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Thanks :)

hmm, not sure but I think I have wrapped some of them in table. Hope it helps !!!

I can proudly recommend all of you to use the Trophy configuration for farming as well. :D

I have never had even half the success with any other base that I have had with Dark Defendum.

I registered just to say thanks.

This base is amazing. I switched to Dark Defendum two weeks back and it has successfully defended a lot of my resources. ;)

I am currently in Gold 2, and planning to push to crystal 3/2; will it be able to defend there ?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Vieper

I registered just to say thanks.

This base is amazing. I switched to Dark Defendum two weeks back and it has successfully defended a lot of my resources. ;)

I am currently in Gold 2, and planning to push to crystal 3/2; will it be able to defend there ?

Thanks

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Thank you. :)

It did pretty well against most of the attacks when I was there until last couple of days. But a good TH9 will theoretically rip apart any TH8. The L6 troop and extra 20 space does come in handy.

Glad DD could help you.

DD is working out great for me. I am in crystal 2 at the moment. An occasional attack does rip the base apart. :(


Out of 5 popular bases that I have tried Dark Defendum has worked out best for me. It has saved a lot of gold and Dark Elixir that I was loosing with other bases.

Hey, the trophy base is amazing. It saves both trophies and resources. I had a revenge attack with Level 3 dragons and they walked away with very less resources and just about 200DE out of 2500 available.

In my experience i think the trophy base saves more resources than the farming one. Do you think it will be wise to keep trophy configuration at all times ?

I have been trying to upgrade my walls to level 8. Which compartments should I upgrade first ? I have already upgraded the core.

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Originally Posted by Vieper

DD is working out great for me. I am in crystal 2 at the moment. An occasional attack does rip the base apart. :(


Out of 5 popular bases that I have tried Dark Defendum has worked out best for me. It has saved a lot of gold and Dark Elixir that I was loosing with other bases.

Hey, the trophy base is amazing. It saves both trophies and resources. I had a revenge attack with Level 3 dragons and they walked away with very less resources and just about 200DE out of 2500 available.

In my experience i think the trophy base saves more resources than the farming one. Do you think it will be wise to keep trophy configuration at all times ?

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Glad that Dark Defendum has been saving resources for you.

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Originally Posted by Vieper

I have been trying to upgrade my walls to level 8. Which compartments should I upgrade first ? I have already upgraded the core.

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Try to upgrade the other compartments. The funnels where the walls intentional left open will be your least priority. Also try to prioritize the compartments with Builder Huts.

can you please post a picture of the trophy configuration

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Originally Posted by Chaithu1

can you please post a picture of the trophy configuration

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Sorry, I messed up the existing image. It has been corrected. :)

Looks good so gonna try this base in gold 1 - crystal 3, I've been using a modified version of Tempest for months but got bored with it and tried some popular but overused bases which didn't hold up well so hopefully this will do the job while I save up the DE for the AQ

Could you make a speed build on this?

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Originally Posted by Corrupted

Could you make a speed build on this?

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I will try to.

Guys don't forget to put your outer buildings close to the walls for trophy hunting; otherwise there will be no way to stop 50% damage

Does the trophy version do well in wars? I'm searching for a good TH8 War Base :)

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Originally Posted by Bourbon

Does the trophy version do well in wars? I'm searching for a good TH8 War Base :)

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I dont think dark defendum works in clan wars :(

Usually you get attacked by mass dragon.

Trap placement is absolutely perfect. Every time that i have gotten attacked by giant based army, the traps have worked with 100% success.

i am trying to experiment with placing giant bombs together for hogs, I will update how that goes.

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Originally Posted by Vieper

I dont think dark defendum works in clan wars :(

Usually you get attacked by mass dragon.

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Those mass dragon attacks.. Although i use them myself as i haven't got the possibility with gowipe yet..
But I can say it's harder 3 starring bases with dragons with a good ad triangulation.. Therefore I don't really like anti hog bases, as they can be relatively easy destroyed by dragons
I was just wondering, will still probably test it out later
And yeah keep us up to date with your variation^^

Yeah i would also go with anti hog bases for clan wars

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Originally Posted by Vieper

Trap placement is absolutely perfect. Every time that i have gotten attacked by giant based army, the traps have worked with 100% success.

i am trying to experiment with placing giant bombs together for hogs, I will update how that goes.

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I would recommend avoiding two bombs together. This is because you won't get attacked by hogs very often.

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Originally Posted by Bourbon

Those mass dragon attacks.. Although i use them myself as i haven't got the possibility with gowipe yet..
But I can say it's harder 3 starring bases with dragons with a good ad triangulation.. Therefore I don't really like anti hog bases, as they can be relatively easy destroyed by dragons
I was just wondering, will still probably test it out later
And yeah keep us up to date with your variation^^

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Anti hog bases don't work against dragons. I think more of a central and triangulated AD works. The other elements of base should be kept far away in such a way that dragons funnel away from AD's

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

I would recommend avoiding two bombs together. This is because you won't get attacked by hogs very often.




Anti hog bases don't work against dragons. I think more of a central and triangulated AD works. The other elements of base should be kept far away in such a way that dragons funnel away from AD's

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Is there a version of dark defendum for clan wars ?

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Is there a version of dark defendum for clan wars ?

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Nope. IMO farming and trophy bases are completely different chapter compared to clan wars.

Fair to assum all out dragon attacks for clan wars. The best you can do is try to save 1 - 2 stars from your base as a TH8. There is no way you can prohibit that.

So, no plans there really to make clan war version of Dark Defendum.

I have been experimenting with another design of mine for Wars, it saved 2 star from all out dragon and 3 stars from hogs. I will post in couple of days

Still waiting for anti-dragon base

Friendly bump ^.^

What a surprise to see a fellow clan mate's base gaining so much popularity. Well deserved Kishor, will be switching over to DD from Bowser now that I'm th8 in two hours. All the best - Mystic Warriors

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Originally Posted by BigC217

What a surprise to see a fellow clan mate's base gaining so much popularity. Well deserved Kishor, will be switching over to DD from Bowser now that I'm th8 in two hours. All the best - Mystic Warriors

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Thanks a lot bro :)

I can't wait for your input on the layout; I am very certain you are gonna take it to another level.

Congrats on getting to TH8 mate

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

Thanks a lot bro :)

I can't wait for your input on the layout; I am very certain you are gonna take it to another level.

Congrats on getting to TH8 mate

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Yeah buddy, you know I have a slight obsession with trap placement and funneling :)

I switched to DD about 3 weeks ago and my trophy count went from 1178 to currently 1486.most damage has been maybe 60-65 percent and only lost a total of three times.

Hi Kishor

Thats a fantastic base you have designed.
Would you recommend this for an early th8 base?
My town hall will be upgraded to lvl 8 in a couple of days and was looking for a farming base

As a newbie th8 i would have lots of defence upgrades at the same time.

Would this base be able to save DE storage, 1 gold storage and 1 elixir storage with say 3 defences down (say 1 mortar, 1 wiz tower and 1 ad upgrading)?

BTW I'm a max th7

Also could you recommend a good clan wars base for th8?

Thanks

Hey!

As far as I can tell, this base is very solid. It did everything that it should do.. BUT the north elixer storage is VERY expose IMO. Can u tell me what's the best to switch with? Ik that elixer r pretty spreading but I wanted ppl to get my elixer harder.. So far, I made bk next to it but it didn't rlly do much. Pls help

thanks

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Originally Posted by wilshire5

I switched to DD about 3 weeks ago and my trophy count went from 1178 to currently 1486.most damage has been maybe 60-65 percent and only lost a total of three times.

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Thanks :)

Dark Defendum will defend you trophies as well as resources. To be honest I get surprised at how effective this base went to become. A well upgraded defence with this layout will get you to crystal.

It defended my DE up till late G1 and early C3.

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Originally Posted by anuragingle

Hi Kishor

Thats a fantastic base you have designed.
Would you recommend this for an early th8 base?
My town hall will be upgraded to lvl 8 in a couple of days and was looking for a farming base

As a newbie th8 i would have lots of defence upgrades at the same time.

Would this base be able to save DE storage, 1 gold storage and 1 elixir storage with say 3 defences down (say 1 mortar, 1 wiz tower and 1 ad upgrading)?

BTW I'm a max th7

Also could you recommend a good clan wars base for th8?

Thanks

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Thanks :)

hmm, it will be very hard for you being an early TH8 because early TH8 is the worst place to be. With defence of TH7 and no loot penalty for TH9's will attract a lot of strong players (L6 troops) to your base. And unfortunately, it will be hard for next couple of weeks. Upgrade your splash damages as fast as you can.

All I can say is respect your shield until you get your defence to a good level. There will be no base that can keep you safe for next couple of weeks. Put your TH outside for snipers and respect the shield.

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Hey!

As far as I can tell, this base is very solid. It did everything that it should do.. BUT the north elixer storage is VERY expose IMO. Can u tell me what's the best to switch with? Ik that elixer r pretty spreading but I wanted ppl to get my elixer harder.. So far, I made bk next to it but it didn't rlly do much. Pls help

thanks

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Thank you so much :o

Yeah the north elixir is exposed, I won't really recommend you to switch it. Dark Defendum defends resources because the storages are spread out and that coupled with funnel and centralized/triangulated splash damages makes it very solid.

If someone chooses to attack from north all they will walk away with is elixir in that storage and if they have good amount of wall breakers the DE but not gold and elixir in other storages.

In my experience, I had about 3-4 attacks from that side and they all stopped after taking elixir from one of the storage. That's it.

Hope I helped

I kinda tweaked the base a little and I having HUGE success on defense!

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I kinda tweaked the base a little and I having HUGE success on defense!

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hmm, very interesting. By the looks, it won't be good for protecting resources but will get you lots of trophies

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Originally Posted by Drwho

Hey!

As far as I can tell, this base is very solid. It did everything that it should do.. BUT the north elixer storage is VERY expose IMO. Can u tell me what's the best to switch with? Ik that elixer r pretty spreading but I wanted ppl to get my elixer harder.. So far, I made bk next to it but it didn't rlly do much. Pls help

thanks

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It shouldn't be so difficult to make some switches :rolleyes: I used the Dark Defendum base also some time ago with the following changes:

- Changed the triangulation, as I don't like offset triangulation, (only exception are Avernicus labyrinthic bases) :p
- moved the bottom archer tower more inside so that it can't be destroyed by archers which would ruin the funnel
- moved the northern elixir storage inside

Lol just saw that now,made a little mistake.. I didn't intend to close the funnel on the north east^^

http://i.imgur.com/pI1fFwL.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bourbon

It shouldn't be so difficult to make some switches :rolleyes: I used the Dark Defendum base also some time ago with the following changes:

- Changed the triangulation, as I don't like offset triangulation, (only exception are Avernicus labyrinthic bases) :p
- moved the bottom archer tower more inside so that it can't be destroyed by archers which would ruin the funnel
- moved the northern elixir storage inside

Lol just saw that now,made a little mistake.. I didn't intend to close the funnel on the north east^^

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Like the way u put the lower archer tower. It will surely keep the funnel alive. Not sure about the elixir storage though, DD's biggest strength IMO is the way storages are spread out.

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Originally Posted by Bourbon

It shouldn't be so difficult to make some switches :rolleyes: I used the Dark Defendum base also some time ago with the following changes:

- Changed the triangulation, as I don't like offset triangulation, (only exception are Avernicus labyrinthic bases) :p
- moved the bottom archer tower more inside so that it can't be destroyed by archers which would ruin the funnel
- moved the northern elixir storage inside

Lol just saw that now,made a little mistake.. I didn't intend to close the funnel on the north east^^

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Yes, I'm liking the idea behind some of the changes you've made to DD. I quite like the fact that all storages are now covered by a WT and/or a HT. They still seem pretty well spread out, and not so susceptible to sniping. :)

Thanks, will see what kishorkundan himself thinks about it^^

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Originally Posted by Bourbon

It shouldn't be so difficult to make some switches :rolleyes: I used the Dark Defendum base also some time ago with the following changes:

- Changed the triangulation, as I don't like offset triangulation, (only exception are Avernicus labyrinthic bases) :p
- moved the bottom archer tower more inside so that it can't be destroyed by archers which would ruin the funnel
- moved the northern elixir storage inside

Lol just saw that now,made a little mistake.. I didn't intend to close the funnel on the north east^^

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I like how you placed the bottom Archer tower.

I am not sure, one has to test it out but I think the way you placed the gold storage in front of DE storage will invite attack from north-west a lot because the gold storage (in front of DE storage) will be the motivating factor.

DD was designed with a philosophy that, if a good player attacks you
1. They can walk away with 1/3 of one resource, 2/3rd of other resource and 0 DE.
2. If some one goes for the DE, other resources should be safe.

According to me, that was what made DD so successful. As a TH8 you won't be able to defend much against L6 troops. So you need to scare people away.

In the original design, the gold storage that you have placed in front of DE storage is behind 3 layers from all directions. This is the reason why most people choosed to attack from south-west, south-east and north-east.

With DD you wanna take as many attacks as possible from southern side of the base.

But I really like the way you have tweaked DD. Show me some logs and I will make a section in OP for your tweak


:)

After maxxing my defences I will get back to that kishorkundan to show you some logs :D In the meantime, maybe some other could test it?

Btw, this should get moved to the Base Design 101 sub forum

Witha ll respect to other base designers and designs, this is the most effective base that I ever utilized as a TH8. From the time I switched to it when I was upgrading to TH9 and trying so hard to save to 40k DE, I don't believe I ever lost a drop of DE (except to lightning snipes).

I think that often times, and I think having fought 80some wars with my clan and won 70, the prettiest bases don't really do very well. You look at a base, say for an example, the pokeball, and its beautiful, you can see all the parts and how theyw ork, it all makes sense, it looks optimized. And then it just gets blown to bits anyway. I can't even count how many "anti dragon" TH8s our best TH8 has flattened with dragons in clan wars. He has like 340 war hero, and practivally all of his stars have come against bases ranked higher than his. Anti hog bases are neat, but for an experienced hogger they pretty much make it easier in clan wars, because they almost invariably leave the bombs somewhere where you can trigger them. We recently lost to a clan by I think 1 star who spied on us and magically dropped heals ahead of time over all of our bombs while hogging us (our fault, we let their #2 into the clan)... They had some really good anti hog bases. They couldn't be lured, they had the old "tesla lure trap" set up, and their double giant bombs were in the core. If they posted their bases here on the forum, they wouldn't probably get good reviews. But they were probably the toughest bases we have seen in clan wars. We tried REALLY hard to beat them and only got like 40 stars (15 player clan war). I was too scared to hog their #1 and #2, so I tried balloons, failed, timed out both times with my AQ smacking their town halls, and that is how we lost.

Point: I think that non standard, not overly "perfect" bases actually work better. We have one TH9 that has never been 2 starred. Not by gowipe, not by mass drags, not by mass hogs. And its honestly just a mess. It has the basics, double giant bombs, centralized air D that cover the TH, difficult to lure castle. But overall its really just something that some guy came up with in 15 minutes based on his own war experience. Nothinga bout it seems ideal, and everytime we look at it we think we should change it, but it just keeps working, so we don't.

Dark Defendum just works, and its one of these bases. You look at it and think you could improve it by this or by that, but I nominate it as the best TH8 farming base I have ever used, period. Including my own inventions. I recently remembered when i had this, and have recommended it to my whole clan, and a couple have switched to it.

If you are TH8 and trying to save DE, I would wager this is the best base in the game.

Very, very nicely done Paul Bunyan

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Originally Posted by Humbob

Witha ll respect to other base designers and designs, this is the most effective base that I ever utilized as a TH8. From the time I switched to it when I was upgrading to TH9 and trying so hard to save to 40k DE, I don't believe I ever lost a drop of DE (except to lightning snipes).

I think that often times, and I think having fought 80some wars with my clan and won 70, the prettiest bases don't really do very well. You look at a base, say for an example, the pokeball, and its beautiful, you can see all the parts and how theyw ork, it all makes sense, it looks optimized. And then it just gets blown to bits anyway. I can't even count how many "anti dragon" TH8s our best TH8 has flattened with dragons in clan wars. He has like 340 war hero, and practivally all of his stars have come against bases ranked higher than his. Anti hog bases are neat, but for an experienced hogger they pretty much make it easier in clan wars, because they almost invariably leave the bombs somewhere where you can trigger them. We recently lost to a clan by I think 1 star who spied on us and magically dropped heals ahead of time over all of our bombs while hogging us (our fault, we let their #2 into the clan)... They had some really good anti hog bases. They couldn't be lured, they had the old "tesla lure trap" set up, and their double giant bombs were in the core. If they posted their bases here on the forum, they wouldn't probably get good reviews. But they were probably the toughest bases we have seen in clan wars. We tried REALLY hard to beat them and only got like 40 stars (15 player clan war). I was too scared to hog their #1 and #2, so I tried balloons, failed, timed out both times with my AQ smacking their town halls, and that is how we lost.

Point: I think that non standard, not overly "perfect" bases actually work better. We have one TH9 that has never been 2 starred. Not by gowipe, not by mass drags, not by mass hogs. And its honestly just a mess. It has the basics, double giant bombs, centralized air D that cover the TH, difficult to lure castle. But overall its really just something that some guy came up with in 15 minutes based on his own war experience. Nothinga bout it seems ideal, and everytime we look at it we think we should change it, but it just keeps working, so we don't.

Dark Defendum just works, and its one of these bases. You look at it and think you could improve it by this or by that, but I nominate it as the best TH8 farming base I have ever used, period. Including my own inventions. I recently remembered when i had this, and have recommended it to my whole clan, and a couple have switched to it.

If you are TH8 and trying to save DE, I would wager this is the best base in the game.

Very, very nicely done Paul Bunyan

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Thanks for using DD :)

Some of the things you said there is actually the reason why I had to design DD. I tried so many bases, non of them worked. They neither help me keep trophies nor protect any of my resources.

I analysed a lot of the bases and realized that its not the technicality that will defend you but a good base design should force people to attack in certain way. DD does exactly that. It forces ppl to attack in certain way, it allows you to take certain resource but not all.

To be honest, I have seen some of the my clan mates and many members in our feeder clan using DD and get surprised at how well it performs for them.

I am very thankfull to you for using it and giving such a nice review to the base. :)

hi, first off i just wanted to say great base, i'd like to input my 2 cents before i move on to th9 if i may. i've been using this base for a while and for the most part all i got were th snipes with the occasional good defense, right now everything is maxed for me with just 3 more days until th finishes upgrading.

today i got attacked by some chinese player who got me (4 storages plus my de) with just giants/wizards/ archers /minions, no heroes - i thought it was interesting enough to share. what he did was just destroy all the buildings around the side he wanted to attack before proceeding to dump everything like shown:

http://i.imgur.com/KvJJ0RB.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/3X35Vnc.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/3yiDbxf.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/0CLl8wN.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/4N50l4F.jpg?1

I realize that I made my own modifications to this base, and that the de storage is not at the top of the core like in the original build, but regardless he destroyed everything in the core pretty simply. My suggestion is to make all the buildings hug the walls tightly so that they are in range of the point defenses (not like how it is shown on the op), otherwise it's very easy to clear a straight path to the middle of this base like this attacker did with nothing to divert troops like wizards. Keep in mind that he didn't even need his BK or AQ for this attack to get 70%, nor did he even need to clear my full cc. Less experienced attackers tend to send in giants first and wait to clear out some defenses, which is where this base shines - but to the occasional attacker who knows what he's doing i'm sure something like this could be exploited. Another thing that was interesting was that not all of the giants took the path to the middle AT but attacked through the wall to my WT and AD (as you can see above). I probably just chalk that up to the random AI.

This was just something that I thought would be helpful to share for others who plan on using this base; it otherwise has served me well and I thank you for sharing it with all of us :)

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

Thanks for using DD :)

Some of the things you said there is actually the reason why I had to design DD. I tried so many bases, non of them worked. They neither help me keep trophies nor protect any of my resources.

I analysed a lot of the bases and realized that its not the technicality that will defend you but a good base design should force people to attack in certain way. DD does exactly that. It forces ppl to attack in certain way, it allows you to take certain resource but not all.

To be honest, I have seen some of the my clan mates and many members in our feeder clan using DD and get surprised at how well it performs for them.

I am very thankfull to you for using it and giving such a nice review to the base. :)

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DD is plain genius, sir. Its flat out awesome.

Since switching to DD my clanmates that are TH8 have reported ZERO hits on the dark elixir storage. One reported a total loss of dark elixir of 26, from his drill, not his storage.

Its spectacular. It is the best.

Will you make changes to fit in the 4th mortar? this base is seriously good for me. Thanks:D

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Originally Posted by csp31

hi, first off i just wanted to say great base, i'd like to input my 2 cents before i move on to th9 if i may. i've been using this base for a while and for the most part all i got were th snipes with the occasional good defense, right now everything is maxed for me with just 3 more days until th finishes upgrading.

today i got attacked by some chinese player who got me (4 storages plus my de) with just giants/wizards/ archers /minions, no heroes - i thought it was interesting enough to share. what he did was just destroy all the buildings around the side he wanted to attack before proceeding to dump everything like shown:

http://i.imgur.com/KvJJ0RB.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/3X35Vnc.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/3yiDbxf.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/0CLl8wN.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/4N50l4F.jpg?1

I realize that I made my own modifications to this base, and that the de storage is not at the top of the core like in the original build, but regardless he destroyed everything in the core pretty simply. My suggestion is to make all the buildings hug the walls tightly so that they are in range of the point defenses (not like how it is shown on the op), otherwise it's very easy to clear a straight path to the middle of this base like this attacker did with nothing to divert troops like wizards. Keep in mind that he didn't even need his BK or AQ for this attack to get 70%, nor did he even need to clear my full cc. Less experienced attackers tend to send in giants first and wait to clear out some defenses, which is where this base shines - but to the occasional attacker who knows what he's doing i'm sure something like this could be exploited. Another thing that was interesting was that not all of the giants took the path to the middle AT but attacked through the wall to my WT and AD (as you can see above). I probably just chalk that up to the random AI.

This was just something that I thought would be helpful to share for others who plan on using this base; it otherwise has served me well and I thank you for sharing it with all of us :)

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That looks like an impressive attack. Like the way a base can work for raiding but fail miserably in clan wars. See in clan wars people have enough time to think out a strategy that they can pretty much work around any base design.

Perhaps this attacker knew about dark defendum and could plan ahead? Perhaps he/she was just particularly talented? I can say that when I was still a TH8 I never took a hit on my dark elixir storage with DD, my clanmates that are using it now can say the same. Its easily, for us, in our experience, EASILY the best TH8 design we have ever tried.

Hey Kish, what do you recommend we now do with the 4th mortar?

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Originally Posted by csp31

hi, first off i just wanted to say great base, i'd like to input my 2 cents before i move on to th9 if i may. i've been using this base for a while and for the most part all i got were th snipes with the occasional good defense, right now everything is maxed for me with just 3 more days until th finishes upgrading.

today i got attacked by some chinese player who got me (4 storages plus my de) with just giants/wizards/ archers /minions, no heroes - i thought it was interesting enough to share. what he did was just destroy all the buildings around the side he wanted to attack before proceeding to dump everything like shown:

I realize that I made my own modifications to this base, and that the de storage is not at the top of the core like in the original build, but regardless he destroyed everything in the core pretty simply. My suggestion is to make all the buildings hug the walls tightly so that they are in range of the point defenses (not like how it is shown on the op), otherwise it's very easy to clear a straight path to the middle of this base like this attacker did with nothing to divert troops like wizards. Keep in mind that he didn't even need his BK or AQ for this attack to get 70%, nor did he even need to clear my full cc. Less experienced attackers tend to send in giants first and wait to clear out some defenses, which is where this base shines - but to the occasional attacker who knows what he's doing i'm sure something like this could be exploited. Another thing that was interesting was that not all of the giants took the path to the middle AT but attacked through the wall to my WT and AD (as you can see above). I probably just chalk that up to the random AI.

This was just something that I thought would be helpful to share for others who plan on using this base; it otherwise has served me well and I thank you for sharing it with all of us :)

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Thanks for using DD and sharing this valuable feedback :)

Yeah, looks like a pretty good attacker to me.

Excellent suggestion for keeping the mines in range of point defences.

The distance adds up a little spice to the base. It kind of lures archers to go circle the base. Also, placing pairs of bombs along these mines helps a little.

I will await your response on this.

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Originally Posted by Humbob

DD is plain genius, sir. Its flat out awesome.

Since switching to DD my clanmates that are TH8 have reported ZERO hits on the dark elixir storage. One reported a total loss of dark elixir of 26, from his drill, not his storage.

Its spectacular. It is the best.

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Thanks :) I am very glad that DD worked well for you.

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Originally Posted by zubsz

Will you make changes to fit in the 4th mortar? this base is seriously good for me. Thanks:D

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Thanks for using DD. :)

Yeah, I am trying to think of a way to incorporate the 4th mortar.

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Originally Posted by Humbob

That looks like an impressive attack. Like the way a base can work for raiding but fail miserably in clan wars. See in clan wars people have enough time to think out a strategy that they can pretty much work around any base design.

Perhaps this attacker knew about dark defendum and could plan ahead? Perhaps he/she was just particularly talented? I can say that when I was still a TH8 I never took a hit on my dark elixir storage with DD, my clanmates that are using it now can say the same. Its easily, for us, in our experience, EASILY the best TH8 design we have ever tried.

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That's a great observation humbob, I would say this attacker was pretty good in realizing how the funnel would progress or may be he had enough time to analyze the base as it could have been a revenge attack.

Nevertheless, I would give credit to attacker for the way he progressed his attack.

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Originally Posted by dleach

Hey Kish, what do you recommend we now do with the 4th mortar?

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Won't be long, I am trying to think of a way to incorporate the 4th mortar.

going strong Kishor bro. good to see DD getting the respect it deserves. it is a masterpiece.

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

Thanks for using DD and sharing this valuable feedback :)

Yeah, looks like a pretty good attacker to me.

Excellent suggestion for keeping the mines in range of point defences.

The distance adds up a little spice to the base. It kind of lures archers to go circle the base. Also, placing pairs of bombs along these mines helps a little.

I will await your response on this.

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I agree that the extra space further away from the base is good in that it forces giants and wall breakers to be spawned much further away, making their pathing harder to predict - in fact some of my best defenses were because the giants would split up after wall breakers took their time blowing up a hole in the outer rim. But I just feel that for an experienced attacker who knows how the AI works, it would be something easily exploitable and potentially more devastating. The guy who attacked me wasn't from a revenge attack so he only had the same 30 seconds as anyone else.

His base:

http://i.imgur.com/UBDmziZ.jpg

Also, after moving the buildings in next to the walls i can confirm that archers and other troops still end up circling the base; i would post pics from defenses i had where the attacker's bk did the circle dance but the update cleared all my replays :(

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Originally Posted by BigC217

going strong Kishor bro. good to see DD getting the respect it deserves. it is a masterpiece.

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Thanks bro :)

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Originally Posted by csp31

I agree that the extra space further away from the base is good in that it forces giants and wall breakers to be spawned much further away, making their pathing harder to predict - in fact some of my best defenses were because the giants would split up after wall breakers took their time blowing up a hole in the outer rim. But I just feel that for an experienced attacker who knows how the AI works, it would be something easily exploitable and potentially more devastating. The guy who attacked me wasn't from a revenge attack so he only had the same 30 seconds as anyone else.

His base:



Also, after moving the buildings in next to the walls i can confirm that archers and other troops still end up circling the base; i would post pics from defenses i had where the attacker's bk did the circle dance but the update cleared all my replays :(

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I think you have made a remarkable suggestion. I will update the base with your solution and the 4th mortar in couple of days.

Will be interesting to see how you incorporate the fourth mortar :) Although you probably won't have to make a total revamp like I did (which was actually long overdue...also got a bit inspired by your base :rolleyes:)
Also nice that you will update it considering that you are already a TH9 :)

Awesome, once again thanks for this base, looking forward to trying out your th9 work :D

Hey Kish,

Been using DD for awhile now, almost exclusively since I hit TH8 about a month ago. Was able to fly to BK lvl5 and was amazed at the protection of my DE. Anyways, with the new 4th mortar I jumped around a few other bases that tried to update, but I didn't like any of them as much as DD. So I thought I would try to reconfigure. After looking at it for a bit, I think I found a possibility. The downside, the DE drill goes outside the walls. The upside, the AD and WT stay triangular and the 4th mortar is fit in the second layer. One other storage (gold preferably so you don't have two elixir ones together) goes to the drill spot. Other than that, the config remains pretty much the same, just a lil tweaks on the interior. No logs yet, as I just finished it (that and my mortar will remain down for awhile so early logs could be bad). Let me know what you think...

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Hey Kish,

Been using DD for awhile now, almost exclusively since I hit TH8 about a month ago. Was able to fly to BK lvl5 and was amazed at the protection of my DE. Anyways, with the new 4th mortar I jumped around a few other bases that tried to update, but I didn't like any of them as much as DD. So I thought I would try to reconfigure. After looking at it for a bit, I think I found a possibility. The downside, the DE drill goes outside the walls. The upside, the AD and WT stay triangular and the 4th mortar is fit in the second layer. One other storage (gold preferably so you don't have two elixir ones together) goes to the drill spot. Other than that, the config remains pretty much the same, just a lil tweaks on the interior. No logs yet, as I just finished it (that and my mortar will remain down for awhile so early logs could be bad). Let me know what you think...

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Thanks for using DD :)

That is an excellent variation plenny34. I have put it in the OP.

My variation with the 4th mortar is similar to plenny's. The difference in my base is that I have the Air Defense in the core. I put two wizard towers next to the bottom mortars. The last wizard tower is at the top where the air defense is. I have the last two mortars next to the top Wizard Tower, then the last two Air Defenses next to them.

Don't know how to post screenshots, so if anyone wants to check my clan is World Cool Guys, my IGN: Raylek.


Edit: Once I figure out how, i'll try to post a picture of my war base. I was attacked 6 times this war with 4 one stars from Hogs levels 3-5, one failed attack with giants, and I was finally 3 starred by a th10 with max hogs.

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Originally Posted by Raylek

My variation with the 4th mortar is similar to plenny's. The difference in my base is that I have the Air Defense in the core. I put two wizard towers next to the bottom mortars. The last wizard tower is at the top where the air defense is. I have the last two mortars next to the top Wizard Tower, then the last two Air Defenses next to them.

Don't know how to post screenshots, so if anyone wants to check my clan is World Cool Guys, my IGN: Raylek.


Edit: Once I figure out how, i'll try to post a picture of my war base. I was attacked 6 times this war with 4 one stars from Hogs levels 3-5, one failed attack with giants, and I was finally 3 starred by a th10 with max hogs.

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Thanks for using DD :)

I took snapshot of your village and I have posted it.

Snapshot in Android

• Take a Screenshot with Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) If you're using Android 4.0 or later, this is easy. Just press and hold the Volume Down and Power buttons at the same time. You'll see an animation on the screen, indicating that the screen photo was saved.

Snapshot in iOS

• Press the Power button on the top right corner of your device and at the same time, press the Home button. The screen flashes, and if you have sound enabled you will hear a camera shutter sound.
• The picture is saved with the rest of your images in the Photos App on your device.

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

Thanks for using DD :)

I took snapshot of your village and I have posted it.

Snapshot in Android

• Take a Screenshot with Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) If you're using Android 4.0 or later, this is easy. Just press and hold the Volume Down and Power buttons at the same time. You'll see an animation on the screen, indicating that the screen photo was saved.

Snapshot in iOS

• Press the Power button on the top right corner of your device and at the same time, press the Home button. The screen flashes, and if you have sound enabled you will hear a camera shutter sound.
• The picture is saved with the rest of your images in the Photos App on your device.

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Oh I guess I should've been more specific. I mean I have no idea how to upload the screenshot using a image-hosting site or whatever. But thank you !

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Oh I guess I should've been more specific. I mean I have no idea how to upload the screenshot using a image-hosting site or whatever. But thank you !

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Sorry, i thought it was an issue with taking the snapshot. you can upload your images to imgur and then post the BBcode as a text, the image will be shown when it will be posted.

When I start getting some more loot in my storages, I'll post some logs.

i' was try different base, but come back on this. thank you for relise with 4 mortar.

Still waiting for the 4th mortar from u :D

don't wanna change to any other base, DD has been awesome for me.

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Originally Posted by Vieper

Still waiting for the 4th mortar from u :D

don't wanna change to any other base, DD has been awesome for me.

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Posted my version with 4 mortars. It is untested though, need some one to test it who can post logs and feedbacks.

Cool base name!;) Unfortunately I don't have a need for this base, Im townhall 9.

Thanks for the great base man

This is my defence logs, the 1st one is with the trophy base design
http://i.imgur.com/YznqSd5.jpg

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Thanks for the great base man

This is my defence logs, the 1st one is with the trophy base design

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Thanks for using DD and I am glad that it saved you your hard earned resources :)

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Still waiting for the 4th mortar from u :D

don't wanna change to any other base, DD has been awesome for me.

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andddd I am now waiting for logs from you :rolleyes:

do u think this will win me defenses for wars?
esp hogs

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Originally Posted by Eric87

do u think this will win me defenses for wars?
esp hogs

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I will advice you against it.

I don't think DD will do any good in clan wars :(

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Originally Posted by Eric87

do u think this will win me defenses for wars?
esp hogs

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Last war I was attacked 6 times. Five were hog attacks and four of them were only one star. The last hog attack was by a th10 with max hogs and high royals. I'll see how it does after this war.

and now i lost my elexir
http://i.imgur.com/PGNYjOk.png?1

Hi kish, i was using plenny mod with the th outside and the king inside, but now i´ll switch to yours to test.
I just made two modifications: the king next to the de storage and moved the right mortar a bit down because i don´t like the two on the top to be so close.

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and now i lost my elexir

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I know the pain of loosing DE, but fortunatel after using DD I didn't get to experience as often as I was before switching to DD. But then I suppose there will always be someone who can loot resources from ur base.

Out of curiosity, did u have ur CC filled ?

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and now i lost my elexir

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Thanks for using DD and sorry that you lost DE.

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Hi kish, i was using plenny mod with the th outside and the king inside, but now i´ll switch to yours to test.
I just made two modifications: the king next to the de storage and moved the right mortar a bit down because i don´t like the two on the top to be so close.

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how is it holding up ? can you post me some logs ?

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Thanks for using DD and sorry that you lost DE.



how is it holding up ? can you post me some logs ?

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It's holding pretty well, I've lost DE only to two strong th9 and one th10 who attacked me with max hogs 😄.
I'll post the los in a few hours.

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Originally Posted by kishorkundan

I will advice you against it.

I don't think DD will do any good in clan wars :(

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Kish - what did you do for clan wars then? Modify DD base or use a completely diff one?

IMO there is really no perfect war base. You can't guard against every attack combo.