Minions or Archers - Which one is better? (part deux with video)

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Originally Posted by Junliang

The issue with minion is...

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That is true. However, you would never send archers like that either. Otherwise mortar shoots and kaboom!

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Originally Posted by Junliang

Thats a good plan, but there are 4 red air bombs lol.
by the time you are done checking for air bombs, and send in your main swarm, your grounds troop got taken down already.
but i have not use this tactic before, maybe some others have already mastered that strategy

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and if properly placed, 4 air bombs could be such pain the the... but generally speaking, once you start using minions daily, you get to learn the tricks. I suppose it could be compared to a CC troops. Inexperienced attacker will try to force the base, you on the other hand would most likely fish CC troops out prior to dumping entire army. So, to me it's is pretty much down to air vs ground and so far air wins.

This of course irrelevant to most of us farmers :)

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

Anyone not completely inept with air defense placement will prevent you from losing more than one bomb this way. Also, the ability to drive deep into bases is dependent on concentrated force. The need to launch two separate raids or to dribble forces in slowly is a huge disadvantage to any troop which requires such deployment.


To be clear, I do think minions are an intriguing troop and for the moment I'm still upgrading mine. But barring bomb rebalance or other strategic innovation I don't currently see them being helpful to farmers.

e: I'll add that this is one reason the linked videos aren't a good comparison although I expect minions to beat archers on most maps without bombs. The archers are deployed slowly such that dps is appearing on the battlefield half as fast as in the minion example.

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fyi last video chapter had air bomb and that did not stop minions from completing mission with 49%. Archers on the other hand didn't even get past Tesla's and Wiz Towers. I specifically used Pekka's map as that map has all upgraded defense towers, but I do agree that many "real" bases have better designs and would pose a lot more trouble for all minion attack.

I agree that minions are still fairly new and will need bit more of a testing, however, I did try to use them in live battles (not on goblin maps) and the effect was pretty much the same in most cases - domination.

I am slowly coming to the dark side. I have been experimenting with minions in my mini account. The minions are level 1, I try to take 5 - 10 minions with my normal farm troops. I believe they make a big difference, I release them as a swarm (and they should swarm more to be effective) and I've sat and watched dumbstruck as all my level 4 troops die, except for 2 minions who threw their DE fecal matter at level 11 storage and stole 100k elix by themselves.

Go go go you crazy blue "butterflies" (Lizzy)

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Originally Posted by Tiny

I am slowly coming to the dark side. I have been experimenting with minions in my mini account. The minions are level 1, I try to take 5 - 10 minions with my normal farm troops. I believe they make a big difference, I release them as a swarm (and they should swarm more to be effective) and I've sat and watched dumbstruck as all my level 4 troops die, except for 2 minions who threw their DE fecal matter at level 11 storage and stole 100k elix by themselves.

Go go go you crazy blue "butterflies" (Lizzy)

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lol @ crazy blue "butterflies". Those butterflies still creeping me out.

I use exact the same tactic during my daily raids. Even though DE is not overflowing my DE storage, I still manage to make 2-3k a day. Have to use that DE somehow, before someone takes chunk of it with 4 lightning strikes :)

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Originally Posted by RuthlessBarbarian

Yes! I just created new thread to an existing... thus part deux.

Original discussion - http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ons-or-Archers

I was convinced that archers are better due to cost, production time and general abuse of the most popular troop. However, after discussing with my friends and taking into consideration all pro et contra like dark elixir availability, second DE barrack, air vs ground offence etc, I've decided to just do a "dummy" test battle or two, to see how these two are stacking against each other.

Again, this is just a simple and non scientific approach - full camps, same battle map and the same attack strategy. As simple as that! The reason these two are compared is because Archers are the most popular and Minions are the most accessible DE troops. Therefore I am comparing level 5 archers to level 4 Minions.

This test turned into something bigger than a two raid comparison, but I am glad I did it and now am convinced that Minions are in fact better than Archers. I am also convinced that air attacks are at this point better than ground, so in a way this isn't just about Archers vs. Minions but overall air vs ground troops. Do I need to mention Teslas vs Pekka's and dragons now having splash damage?

Anyway, check out video below and share your opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a43s2...ature=youtu.be

WARNING: Farmers may suffer medical condition after watching a complete waste of so much DE.

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your base kinda looks like my base! i really like it!

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Originally Posted by Opihi

your base kinda looks like my base! i really like it!

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Wish I could see yours :)

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Originally Posted by RuthlessBarbarian

fyi last video chapter had air bomb and that did not stop minions from completing mission with 49%. Archers on the other hand didn't even get past Tesla's and Wiz Towers. I specifically used Pekka's map as that map has all upgraded defense towers, but I do agree that many "real" bases have better designs and would pose a lot more trouble for all minion attack.

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Yeah, there are two air bombs on that map. And they wipe out the minions coming from the sides they launch at.

I want to be a minion believer. But based on what I'm seeing in game I'm not seeing it for farming right now. 220 pop minion attacks might be able to make a dent after exhausting the bombs and dragons tanking makes sense. But I don't see those as farming attacks although they may be reasonable trophy raids.

But if you're actively experimenting with them keep recording your attacks. I think the next generation of farming attacks is going to involve either hogs or minions. We'll see if it's one or both with time.

Air bombs are kinda hard to scout. They have 1 tile occupation for christ's sakes. They could be anywhere... lol

One of my air bombs killed around 40 minions when some poor guy attacked me.I wish replay was still available.