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Hi Krabicka, sorry to hear that Clan Wars turned your original clan in to a toxic environment. If the loot was tripled I think Clan Wars would be more popular. You would willingly gamble your resources to get a possibility good return if you win the war. Good luck in your new clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by krabicka3
Hi Connor, as i mentioned earlier in the thread I do not know how or even if it is possible to adjust a poll. If you know how to do it please let me know. I guess your best vote at this stage is first option. But I struggle to see how you can make a profit if you are a TH10 attacking another highly developed TH10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor19817
If you are consistently, declaring wars, one after the other, that just became an issue for the clan and yourself. Give it a rest for a day or two, then, get back on it. Try suggesting to your leaders, if you may war only twice, or however many you desire, that comforts you. Happy warring.:):eek:
The flaw with the above suggestion is that you effectively create a way to bank your resources and safeguard them from being looted in normal multi-player, this will be exploited. This will also cause internal clan issues where player Y wants to bank their resources but has slightly inferior troops to the player X. With the ability of dumping troops you them further compound this issue where some players more loyal to player Y may dump player X's troops then you would then have other issues to resolve like:Quote:
Originally Posted by S3an
- Are dumped troops going to be compensated as well?
- If contributing to War Clan Castles can be compensated then will donations to Clan castles used for the clan wars attack going to be compensated too?
- Then people that donate in normal multi-player will then beg the question why not get compensated for troops that are donated in normal multi-player? (you could argue that experience and FIN is compensation enough, but what if the FIN achievement is already completed? no free gems only meaningless xp...)
Note: the above scenarios are by no means exhaustive but gives you an idea of the pandora's box you basically unleash when an idea like that is implemented, in fact I am sure there are a multitude of other issues that this would create.
No one said wars can't be a source of loot, in fact there is loot in it, the fact is it's free loot which is not generated by other players, which means it by itself has created a false economy, and like I said earlier, if you make the loot attractive enough then farming is going to be dead, and the newest complaint will be why can't we war more than once every 2 days? Essentially if you compensate everyone for their armies used for you term a "hassle" then what is the risk? Why would you spend gold and time pressing next trying to find a base which you think you have a reasonable chance to take loot from?
From a gaming perspective, the developers have to find a balance to ensure all facets of the game remain relevant and so far I think they have good job. If they increased the loot then no one would be bothered trying to use armies that aren't as powerful/expensive to take down bases and going down alternate strategies, the mindset would always be, lets use the most powerful army all the time with no cost or consequence. Hence why would you go farming when all you need to do is 1 star a base to gain the bonus rather than dismantle bases to gain the loot?
Furthermore you failed to address my earlier point on how the system compensates expensive armies being used without overcompensating the use of cheaper armies?
If you say the system should calculate the amount you spend on the army and then refund you your cost as part of a bonus then again, you are creating another bank and the issues related to banking. This would only further compound the current perceived issue that there isn't enough loot in normal multi-player games.
Consider this as well, in addition to your war loot bonus you also have spoils of war achievement which gives you up to 1125 gems/5600 xp that you haven't factored into what you term a hassle. You also have 1250 gems/1550 exp for the war hero achievement, have you factored those achievements and rewards when arriving at clan wars is a hassle? Or have you just looked at the simple calculations of (war loot bonus) - (value of army) = a negative figure and think that's ♥♥♥♥?
To close off, it seems that a lot of players seems to have an entitlement mindset, to have a mindset of having the cake and eating it without any thought of the potential issues of what their requests may cause. If you constantly strive to earn loot from every facet of the game then that means you are trying to farm at every interval... Which means you are better off farming than doing clan wars.
As Callidus said, limit the amount of wars you do. My clan declares war each Sunday at 8pm, everybody in the clan knows this and can prepare accordingly. It also means our higher up's don't have to use so much elixir filling up war CCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callidus
My village is TH8 , spending 1560 DE , getting Max(1400) back, if i use dragons, i get 450k Gold and 1k DE. Not so worth to push up clan wars :s
perfectly said, clan wars is ment for clans to co-operate together and help people progress better at raiding, seeing how other people attack and learning from it. clan wars is not a means of "farming" you do not lose trophies for clan wars aswell as a shield if you currently have one. just another means of practicing different combination in troops as well as practicing different tactics involved in raiding different bases. if u want to farm then clan wars isnt for you and dont participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKL2207
From the perspective of a TH10 player, a few thousand on max level drags isn't a big deal. No DE spent. Gold gained win win
The wars just distract me from farming and upgrading my base, (I'm a TH8). The only time where wars would actually not distract me is if I was a maxed TH10 besides heroes and walls, because i would take my time. As a TH8 i need to catch up and try to make it to TH10, so i need all of the farming time I can get. On the other hand, wars do teach farmers how to push, essentially. But I still think it is a distraction to everyone who is not a TH10.
I think the winning clan should get a bonus kind of like the one given in your league win you get at least one star and be based on clan rank add some more competition even let the clan leader chose between two or three clans to attack maby one higher or one lower ranked clanQuote:
Originally Posted by S3an
1st of all, tripling clan war loot is insane. If this might happen it might be a 20%-50% bonus.
I love clan wars. I love the thrill of attacking. I'm lucky enough to be part of a clan that usually wins.
However, I use very expensive strategies, and it gets expensive quick.
Also it can take up to 3 and a half hours for me to wait for spells, severely cutting into my farming time.
Ghosting is a huge problem because we lose loot unfairly and fast. Warring three times a week, usually one is a ghosting clan and one is an extremely hard match in terms of base strength.
This all being said, I love clan wars and will war until I have no elixir left. :cool:
the novelty is def wearing off. filling war cc is expensive when you are one of the few members with high lev troops. i think a defence bonus should be added too for sucessful defences
Not sure a buff to winners is needed but maybe increase the loser payout to 50% of the winners or half what you would have gotten. This will help cover cost of donating and troops used.
Thank you all for responding to this thread. The poll so far is pretty convincing that the vast majority are unhappy with the loot reward in Clan Wars. I wonder if Supercell will listen to their customers?
I understand clan wars isn't profitable, BUT it is a CLAN war. Not a RESOURCE war. The main purpose of the war is to be the best. What's the point of trophies for a clan? Same with war..
Yeah I am sure of Supercell is going to take a clearly biased poll that had just under 300 respondents from a game which has over 100's of thousands of players, seriously. I am sure instead of relying on their own statistics, which may include; revenue, player activity, clan war statistics and/or clan activity just to name a few, that they will refer to your poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3an
I love the clan wars. They are great fun, brings clans together and weeds out in-actives. Not sure I would carry on clanning without them! Yes they are expensive but if you don't like them start a non-warring clan. I suspect you would get lonely...:cool:
I have asked the question if i can add another poll question, saying something like "I break even/make profit on resources from clan wars. So I am happy as it is".Quote:
Originally Posted by JKL2207
But so far no one has told me if I can add another poll question.
Also I think the question is not biased. If you are losing resources in wars, there is simply two responses. You are either happy with it or not. How is that biased?
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Originally Posted by JKL2207
What is the point to this forums? You are implying that SC has all the facts and figures so they do not need feedback from their customers. You can not deny the poll results. There are a lot of players unhappy with the resource in Clan Wars.
You said it yourself, the question is biased. "I think the question is not unbiased." If something is not unbiased, then it is biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3an
I absolutely HATE the wars. Waste of time and resources. I participate all the time though because enough people in the clan want them (even though they agree they spend more than they get when they win).
I think there should not be a preset loot reward on a win. The win loot should be 5 times the elixir cost of your army. So if you spend 200,000 elixir on your army and win, your war win should be 1,000,000 of both gold and elixir. If you use dark troops that should also be 5 times. So if you spend 2000 DE then the winning DE is 10,000. Dark elixir loot if you did not use any dark troops could maybe be 5% of your army cost. So that 200,000 elixir army would net you 10,000 DE.
Now THAT would be worth fighting a war for.
No there isnt enough loot to justify participating in CW......but anyone who thinks that is the point of CW is already going in the wrong direction.
CW brings an added spice to the game for those that cant be bothered farming intensively, are quite highly developed already but will never really be active enough to stay at Champion level for any length of time, but want a nice competitive 'fix' of Clash every couple of days imho
I do like clan wars as well. But Wars can cause strife in a clan due to the same members donating or people complaining about lack of attacks. There are so many little tweaks that would make wars so much better. One would be a counter showing who has donated what troop. Fix ghosting issue and increase the loot reward to cover the costs of having a war. Perhaps add a twist to the game, if you 3 star an oponunent they lose their attacks (give wars more strategy). EtcQuote:
Originally Posted by Holps
Defo agree, the popularity for clan wars would be amazing if this was introduced. It would also make players play more often and increase loot in the game full stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamul1
There are plenty of easy ways to get resources without having to turn clan wars into a resource fiesta as well.
Where in your poll/initial post is the phrase "if you lose resources"?Quote:
Originally Posted by S3an
Right, well you clearly have a completely different version of what biased means then, your topic for example, labels clan wars a hassle, your poll is comprised of the following question and responses just for easy reference:
Are you happy with the loot rewards on winning clan wars? (no bias there)
- Yes I am happy to lose resources. Winning the war is more important. (not everyone loses resources)
- No! Clan wars are a drain on resources! especially Dark Elixir. SC please listen
The clear bias is that both questions infers you will lose resources in Clan wars. Where are the options for, yes I make a profit/break even out of clan wars? Where is the option for Yes, I use clan wars to farm gold? Where the is option Yes I use mass dragons/GiWiPe and use clan wars to farm DE? And if you go back through the posts before there were requests to add the third or fourth option to which your response was, you didn't know how.
So clearly your poll was flawed/biased from the start. I'm sure the SuperCell looks at these forums for feedback on the game, but to state that your biased/flawed poll with such a ridiculously small sample is going to factor into their thinking is ridiculous when they would have other measures in place to measure the success or failure of each game feature.
I'm my experience i find your going to either loose on one resource (de or elix) but will gain on the unused of the two and gold. Chastise me all you want but i LOVE using a all de army , usually gol witch valk as only elixir I'm using is spells. Im trying to ug my last elixir based items and i just can never farm enough so this is a nice boost. I usually net around 900K each based on the lvl I'm hitting.
ive also just used all drag, you again loose on Elixir but gain de and gold, you just need to pick the tradeoff.
Do i wish its higher? sure but your not taking a total loss, just one of the 3 resource groups.
nope its not worth it
I could not agree more. Supercell loves clan wars. It puts many ribeyes on the table for them. If you can't figure out that clan wars main purpose is to benefit Supercells bottom line, then you should stay far away from any type of accounting or wealth management.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kruzkal
I repeat myself. If you know how to add more poll choices I will do it. Please tell me how to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKL2207
And once again I have no idea how anyone can say they can profit from Clan Wars resources other than from gold. But I am more than willing to add more poll questions with regard to breaking even or profiting from clan wars.
Blur, thank you for responding. I understand you like to attack with troops that you probably do not normally attack with and you enjoy the thrill of wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by blur1221
I do to, but fighting in Clan Wars can put extra pressure on members of a clan and if they lose, this can cause strife within the clan due to the reliance of getting back some of your resources back only if you win the war.
I think both the losing and winning reward should be higher.
I can't say that I know how to add more poll choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3an
But I can say that I am always swimming in elixir so my drag attacks in clan wars give me nice profits for gold and DE. If I'm in an elixir crunch because I started started an upgrade in the lab or something then hogs will give me the profits in elixir. But really, I don't see clan wars as a practical way of gaining resources. Because they weren't intended to be.
Thank you for your response. If anyone knows how to add more poll questions please let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by GodII
So do you think SC intended wars to be a resource drain?
Hi im new to the forum but i have been playing clan war since it first started. I think the system is okay.... A simple fix will be if you Win your warloot should be double and if you lose its whatever loot you gain during the war. Im a th9 and i still make a profit if we win the war. You cant compare a farming strategy to a trophy stategy. Although i know that some bases require de troops and some leaves there th outside for a easy 1star. I have seen a clan war where everyone has a farming base and our #10 can 1 star there number 1.We won 38 war and our clan didnt even use any de troops yet. I agree that the warloot can be better.
If you want gold as loot then it is good to do clan wars but I think it's mostly the pride of winning and everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by S3an
Wars drain elixir and dark elixir even when you when wars. The gold is great, but I typically lose elixir and de even in wins. I think we should have a separate training for War Armies. You could train your troops via the war map. Your troops are leveled up to whatever you have on your regular base. The big difference is we reduce the cost of training your War Troops. The cost of training War Troops should be more equal to the reduced amount you win when attacking a War Base. When donating to War Castles you also use your trained War Troops. This would balance out the costs of elixir and dark elixir. When you win a war elixir and dark elixir would be more like the amount of gold you win. It would definitely get me more happy with wars!
Wars are not for farming...
what are they for, wasting your resources? Why have the gold so high? I'm just trying to think of a way to make elixir and de more like a win compared to gold.
If you win the war and are a decent attacker, you will gain resources in most cases. If you use a heavy ground army, you might break even on dark if you are close.
Honestly, its a fun side thing that can net you a lot of loot if in a good war clan. I use war as a farm tool (and that is me still 2 starring with 5 spells, and never just taking one star for loot)
There are plenty of clans out there that are not war centered, so sure if wars are not for you, you can find a decent clan for you.
Besides, life isn't always about being perfectly efficient. Sometimes life is about just letting loose and having some fun. War can be like that sometimes. Where you can just go for it.
I love doing wars, but just about break even. What kind of win bonus is that?
You are asking about elix and DE.
I make at least 200k elix profit on each war raid, the full gold, and because of the army I use to two star, I make about 1.5-2K de from a successful attack in a win (once again to clarify, I two star)
If you are using a ground army, the DE profit is about even, but its still a free attack to do WHILE SITTING OUT A SHIELD, that gains you 2 out of the three resources.
Think of it as those extra gobby maps that people wanted.. but they refresh every couple days.
I make no profit, usually a pretty decent loss on elixir. Mainly because I'm in the top 3 of my clan and everyone cries for high level troops. Which I'll give so we can win the war. But two full war armies, donations and filling of the war clan castles result in a loss. We only go to war once a week now, because the drain is just too big on the top players. The low levels cry for war all the time because they will win some.
I enjoy joy the clan wars to break up the routine, but i make no profit.
Im a maxed TH8 save walls, and let me tell you, the thrill of saving up 500k gold to upgrade one whole wall and gain 500 whole hitpoints, which will still not affect wallbreakers or any flying troop or hogs or jump spells sure makes the game boring.
CW is the only thing I'm having fun with these days in COC. I like to win. I love to win. Sports are stupid but when I was in HS/College and played them they gave me a chance to win. CW gives me a chance to win, so I like it.
I think the loot are fine since i already max out my defenses and most of my troops:D
You don't win enough loot if you donate troops for the war clan castle. If you don't donate troops, it can be worth it, but if you do, you lose loot.
Yes, the amount of hogs I have to train and all....
Over 1000 DE, then what do I get for one raid? 350/450?
I'm TH8 and I approve this message. :D
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Originally Posted by Humbob
Agree 100%
CW are what keep me going in the game and motivate me to farm. I coach sports and it's about strategy, scouting your opponent, and preparing your team to win. That's what I get from CW, multiplayer is like practicing and acquiring new skills on offense/defense.