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Usually one of the nice things about upgrading walls is that it's instant. However I think an interesting change would be an option to upgrade the wall at a discount but would require an actual build time.
For example the level wall I am upgrading to cost me 1mil a brick. The option would be an upgrade cost if 500k but them take 2 days to build (or some other time that would be deemed balanced)
thats not a bad idea
Walls serve a specific purpose and function being instant builds. It's the reason why people leave a single builder free, in order to dump gold into walls whenever they don't want to carry that much loot before bed time, for example.
Walls should remain an instant build so people always have the dumping option whenever they choose to leave one or more builders available.
They are suggesting an alternative option not a replacement. If you wanted to instabuild walls you still could.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawdog
lol waiting 2 days for a single piece of wall to finish..great idea
The time isn't set in stone, and it would still let you build 5 walls every two days from half the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by djsurfzz
You would still have the option to insta build at full priceQuote:
Originally Posted by djsurfzz
I see. This would've been great at TH9 when I spent the final month doing nothing but upgrading lego walls and had 3/5 builders always free (the only time builders were busy were for heroes).
I wonder what affect this would have on the wall progression of all bases in the game, would we start to see a massive influx of bases suddenly having much stronger walls, causing an even greater shying away of using ground troops, and moving even further to the side of flying and wall-hopping strategies more so than we already have, with the vast majority of high crystal league attacks being hog raids, dragon raids, or balloonion raids? Seems lob-sided as is already, would this further that trend? Will we completely give up on using valks?
It's hard to say. On one hand the walls would be cheaper, but on the other they would take a lot longer to build. It certainly would not have to be a massive influx suddenly having much stronger walls. With 250 of them, 5 builders, and two days per wall you're still looking at 3-4 months to upgrade an entire set. That's if you keep all your builders on them and save none for upgrading anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawdog
For walls up to level 9, that's actually a longer period of time than it takes most really active farmers to do it.
Personally I think it's a reasonable tradeoff provided they set the build time right. Level 10-11 walls would have to have longer build times probably. If this were an option I'd probably do it. It provides for a much more relaxed pace to be honest.
One thing to consider in all of this is gem cost. Can't have people buy resources for half priced walls and then gemming the build time with an overall cheaper cost.
I just checked the gem calculator. Buying 500,000 gold and gemming a 2day wait costs 719 gems, whereas gemming the straight 1 mil without any buildtime takes 600 gems. So really, the people who would benefit from this would be the non-gemmers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
I don't gem so I didn't consider the gemming aspect of it, but that is a good point and a great place to start the balancing of something like this. At a minimum it should be an equal gem cost but more likely cost more in gems with a build times vs insta build to preserve supercell bottom line!
Also, different level walls would have different build times like all other things.
I reckon that the level 7 walls should become Dark red, Personally
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I really don't know what you're trying to say here. My whole point is that they'd have to be careful to make sure the new scheme doesn't result in a real world cost reduction for the walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by farglschmitz
Using your test case for level 9 walls, smart people looking to do it economically would not buy 500k gold and gem the 2 day wait. They would buy 8m gold and gem the two day wait for each wall.
8m gold = 2467 gems
2 days of build time = 383 gems
16 level 9 walls with the new scheme is 2467 + 383x16 = 8595 gems.
16 level 9 walls with the old scheme is 2467 x 2 = 4934 gems.
This is fine as the old scheme is far cheaper than the new one.
However, let's say you did this for zap walls and wanted to be economical about it.
4 level 11 walls with the new scheme is 2467 + 383x4 = 3999 gems
4 level 11 walls with the old scheme is 2467 x 2 = 4934 gems.
That's no bueno. In order to make this fair for folks who bought their walls already, you'd need a build time of 4 days which costs 630 gems:
4 level 11 walls with the dahimi scheme is 2467 + 630x4 = 4987 gems.
This would be fair to folks who already bought the walls.
It also means that folks opting to use the new method would require 200 days with 5 builders constantly working on the walls in order to complete them. In order to match that rate via instabuilding you'd have to consistently farm 5m a day in that time. I believe ♥♥ says he farms like 8m a day or something, so the truly dedicated can finish the walls faster by farming double the amount of gold. If you're more chill you can max your zap walls in 200 days by farming 2.5m a day. A fair trade off IMHO and a far cry from people instantly having these.
Nah, I want walls to finish instantly :)
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Tell me how that's sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julezwatts
Stop being reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
Stop giving concrete examples.
Stop making sense.
The forums are for diatribe, vitriol and spam.
If you keep posting like this we'll be forced to conclude that you are a person and not a spambot like 90% of the posts on the forums.
(that's what sarcasm looks like by the way)
Little math with the help of the calculator. If this option would halve the price, fair upgrade times would be...
Level 1: 4 minutes / wall or less
Level 2: 10 minutes / wall
Level 3: 26 minutes / wall
Level 4: 45 minutes / wall
Level 5: 2 hours 9 minutes / wall
Level 6: ~4 hours / wall (3 hours 58 minutes to be precise)
Level 7: 11 hours 9 minutes 30 seconds / wall
Level 8: 18 hours 44 minutes / wall
Level 9: ~ 1 day 15 hours / wall (1 day 14 hours 59 minutes to be precise)
Level 10: 4 days 20 hours 14 minutes / wall
Level 11: 5 days 22 hours 19 minutes / wall
Under this option, 5 builders could grind all walls to level 11 in... 296 days.
😂................Quote:
Originally Posted by Julezwatts
Your calculations for level 11 walls are off. As I demonstrated above, a 4 day build period is sufficient to make the costs roughly even if a person were to upgrade the walls with each method in the most economical way possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Underrated1
Even if you weren't economical about it, there aren't many combinations to consider for zap walls.
Currently if you gem them you can only buy resources to do 1 or 2. I already posted above what happens with sets of two, so let's say you wanted to buy 1.
old method = 4m gold = 1400 gems
dahimi method = 2m gold + 4 days = 867 + 630 = 1497 gems
So we're still good.
Now I think you could work it where if you do the old method inefficiently, but do the dahimi method efficiently the dahimi method would be better. However, I'd consider that a tax for being stupid.
I have to assume your other times are off as well if you used the same method to compute them as you did for the zap walls.
Love the idea, will help at higher level walls. I would also like to see a upgrade row option... Upgrading individual walls at lower levels is a pain.