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While I think trading would be a great feature, I fully support Supercell's current choice not to offer support for it. As a stickler for language, though, I wish we could all stop saying Supercell does not endorse trading. They may not support trading, but they technically do endorse it. On the Supercell website, trading is mentioned at least 3 times on the main Hay Day page: http://www.supercell.net/games/view/hay-day . That's a promotion and de facto endorsement.
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Originally Posted by ourhandsfull
EXACTLY!!!!
OHF -- I think I have traded with you once or twice and had a good experience. I would trade with you again.
Posts with fragments of info -- even if those fragments are true-- can apply to many thousands of innocent players, and how do they recover their reputation?
What if I had jumped offline before my trading partner started shaming me? I would never have known I was trashed, or that he had an issue, since he never PMed or kiked me -- until he wanted to apologize belatedly in private and trade again.
Thanks. The feeling is mutual. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PerkyCox
Janilee, while I don't trade with the trade threads, I do have a few barn buddies who I arrange to get those last five nails or that last bolt. So I am not against arranged sales. But I don't think they will ever add dedicated trading into the game. And here's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Janilee
They go to great lengths to program in the balance or lack of it into the game. With trading that balance is destroyed. There are now four of us playing on farms in my household and each of us has a different rare item. Plus my son who is the lowest level gets way more expansion materials in the DD because he hasn't unlocked as many things as I have. He goes shopping and I pay for the things. When he needs or even just wants a silo upgrade, there is no problem because between my farms and his sister's we will have what he needs. He got ambushed by his sister for selling cream without telling us the other day and all he could say was "What!" We have a little cooperative going here and while it is fun, I have seen time and time again people refusing help because they want to do it themselves. Heck, our Captains thread would still be in operation if so many folks hadn't decided to take on those achievements solo. The balance whether we like it or not is the reason this game is so successful. There is always something to do and since there really is no winner, we have to get our winner's rush when we find that shop with ten lobster or five bolts or now, those paint buckets.
Also, one of the reasons that SC staff won't monitor, investigate or intercede in trade disputes is because trading is not a feature of the game. To try to do so would be impossible with the current staff even if technically it could be done. They have enough problems with misunderstandings that predictably come with the written word on these forums. If trading became a sanctioned feature, that responsibility would change. And even if it didn't, and they made it policy not to intervene,the number of people demanding they do something would increase. We already have people wanting them to reverse the mistakes they make in the game, to refund money spent on the statue that didn't look so ugly in the store, or return items they didn't mean to sell as they were falling asleep with their farm open in bed. Can you imagine the posts , demands and trouble tickets if they sanctioned trading? People would want trades reversed because "I didn't know my next boat would want so many brown sugars"
I am glad we can buy stuff from each other. (It's been a pain not being able to do so on that other game with a town in it) But I do not see trading becoming a sanctioned feature of this game.
Is it still a recent experience since you've had that signature for quite a while? I visit the trading thread frequently, and every time I see your signature I think "oh no, this person is STILL getting ripped off?!" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronCZY
Don't get me wrong, I totaly respect you wanting to buy first and I would gladly trade with you on that condition! :)
This whole thread confuses me. Maybe somebody can explain. Hopefully this doesn't come off as confrontational, but I tend to do that with people in these scenarios. :o
It seems to me that the NH *is* the trading solution from SC, regardless of whether they publicly state that. I trade many many many times/day through my NH. The idea of having KIK running on my tablet and swapping apps, or going through Facebook, is anathema to me. Seems that deals are far more easily and quickly done right there in-app in the neighborhood. I'm really curious why/how KIK/FB are better?
I also confused about the hesitation for people to sell at Max. Why would you not? In my NH people are constantly "bringing things home" that they found in the DD: found 5 bolts, they don't need them, but bought them, announced to the neighborhood, and then sold them. It seems obvious to me that they bought them at max and therefore should sell them to me at max.
Some people seem to be scared of neighbors joining, taking from you, then leaving without contributing. Ummm, why are you in a neighborhood that allows anybody to join? Why are you in a NH where the leader allows people to take but not give? Have the old-timers in your NH that everybody trusts and loves promoted to Elder, let them send invites to people that help them. Bring them in. If they fit you win, if not then evict.
And as for the "SC doesn't support Trading" statements: it's not clear what people actually want them to do? Really, how would it work in the game if SuperCell "supported" this? Some sort of in-game escrow system? Can somebody please explain concretely what the user experience would be for a "supported" trading system.
Also, consider that at the end of the day, SuperCell is a corporation. If they publicly and officially claim "support" for a trade between two people they don't know about, then they may very well be creating a legal obligation for themselves in some countries to have to get involved in disputes. I don't want that. It would raise their costs, which in turn would raise my costs. So I very much expect that SuperCell internally considers that the Neighborhood feature IS the trading mechanism, even though they might prohibit themselves from saying as much.
I like the current system. But maybe I'm lucky, because I like my neighborhood and my neighbors: almost everybody is active, and trades frequently. Those who don't aren't/don't don't stay around.
Or to summarize: SuperCell has given you the tools: why are you not using them?
Those mentions are more to do with neighbourhoods than the unofficial trading threads in the forum. For example I traded a number of expansion items to a friend of mine to get him past the first storage hump and clearance items to help there too. I agreed this with him and went to his to do it so we were side by side so he could buy as soon as I put it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ourhandsfull
kik doesn't have the same filter problems and character limits. You can't see the NH chat while on your neighbor's farm, but you can see a kik notification that your neighbor has felt the need to say something to you mid-trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
I agree, but I always sell at default because that is what everyone else does and seems to expect. The lone max seller looks greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
Well lots of other games have trading features. For example, there is a popular game connected to cute little stuffed animals that has trading, or at least it did when I played it a few years ago. Players could chat to discuss the items being traded, then offer them up in the trade feature, then if the trade was very lopsided, the game would give a warning, like "You're trading a bolt for a wheat. Do you really want to do this? Yes or No". I seem to recall it working very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
But the balance is "destroyed" anyway, with FB trade groups, the trading thread here, neighborhoods...not to mention those online businesses that will sell you as many BEMs as you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggerr129
The way I see it, the imbalance is clearly to encourage you to interact with other players, whether selling through your RSS or finding friends and neighbors to help you out. Trading fits nicely with that.
As for investigating...if it's built into the game, they don't have to. Other games have an escrow service of sorts. You each put up what you want to trade, and if both agree, the swap is made. No scamming possible.
Perhaps it was intended to be, but I think there's a dark side to it they never expected. Such as those using NHs to scam others, and those giant neighborhoods of bot farms that harvest BEMs to sell for real cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by XYZZY
The chat function in the NHs is terrible. The filter blocks many perfectly innocent (and very useful) words and phrases. And you can't really use it during the trade, because the person not at their own farm can't chat.Quote:
I trade many many many times/day through my NH. The idea of having KIK running on my tablet and swapping apps, or going through Facebook, is anathema to me. Seems that deals are far more easily and quickly done right there in-app in the neighborhood. I'm really curious why/how KIK/FB are better?
I prefer Facebook messaging myself. I can have FB open on my computer while remaining in the game for the trade on my phone.
I have over a million coins and absolutely nothing left that I want to spend them on. While my neighbor is struggling to gather enough coins to open the Lobster Pool. Why would I not want to help her?Quote:
I also confused about the hesitation for people to sell at Max. Why would you not?
It's also quite tedious to jack up the price to max if you're doing very large trades. I sometimes trade hundreds of items. It goes a lot faster if you sell at default.
It's not my neighbors I'm concerned about. They're all great. But sometimes randoms interfere when we give each other stuff. (We don't really trade in my NH.) GC or FB friends, or followers.Quote:
Some people seem to be scared of neighbors joining, taking from you, then leaving without contributing.
I think this is encouraging some players to delete followers and unfriend people (or disconnect from FB). Which is unfortunate, and I would guess not what SC intended.
Exactly. Since other games do it, I'm sure SC could, without incurring onerous legal obligations.Quote:
And as for the "SC doesn't support Trading" statements: it's not clear what people actually want them to do? Really, how would it work in the game if SuperCell "supported" this? Some sort of in-game escrow system?