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Is the Clash of Clans development team trying to destroy farming? Are they modifying the graphic design of pumps and mines? Are they making troops stupider by going to outside building, even though there is a giant gap to the middle of the base? Why would they care this much about farmers?
I haven't noticed that big of a change as of late, but I have noticed a huge increase in complaining about it on the board. Just evolve with the game as changes come, nothing will last forever my friend.
Are they modifying the graphic design of pumps and mines?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajesticM
It is most likely an error of some sorts ( not too sure, anyone know? ), either way, it isn't hard to look at a de pump and figure if that is full or not..
Are they making troops stupider by going to outside building, even though there is a giant gap to the middle of the base?
They have always done this, IF, you don't clear the outside buildings first..... Maybe work on your attacking skill. True story.
Adapt. Change evolve.
No matter how big the gap to the middle is, troops will go for the nearest building to the one they just destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajesticM
No troops are programmed to rush into the core of the base unless it's the nearest route, or their nearest preferred target.
Troop AI 101.
Yep. They are trying to destroy a huge amount of the player base. Brilliant. How did you figure it out?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajesticM
Honestly, not this ♥♥♥♥ again. Do you even think about what you are suggesting, or are you just frustrated and ranting a bit? Because this is complete nonsense, and it is getting sad.
Well after getting a talking to from the mods for starting half a dozen loot threads, they can't do that anymore. So we now get this. At least it wasn't about loot this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
Yeah, it's a forum for people to launch complaints among other things, and we've been told we are allowed to voice out opinions( of course mod actions have proven that's only the case for people denying there us a loot problem) and the miss shut down/try to stop bad loot threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
Gee, nothing suspicious about that at all.
Look, this is the bottom line. You deniers can try and push your nonsense on to us all you want. The mods can try to cover up just how many people are complaining about this very real issue all they want. Players will just quit like they are. And then SC might realize greed only helps in the short term and they'll put the loot back the way it was. It they won't and the game will die.
So you can deny it cover it up all you want, each player knows when raiding is no longer fun and quits. As far as me, I'm done. This place is suppose to be an outlet to address issues. SC ignores them and has mods try to cover it up(all the while trying to say opinions are allowed here).
I mean, new people come to make a bad loot thread and it get tossed but you deniers get to post your same old drivel in every thread; spam away in each thread, and nothing happens to you.
Like I said, it's more than obvious what's going on here.
And do you know what the biggest kicker is? The biggest thing that the deniers are full of it? Their own spam.
Every single bad loot thread they say nothing is wrong with the loot.
Then they say to try and change trophy ranges. Well, if there is nothing wrong with the loot, why would someone have to change trophy ranges!? I mean, no problem with loot means these players should be seeing the same loot in the trophy range they've always been in
And when their base grows new players should move into that trophy range and see the loot the old player saw.
But they aren't.
So busted. It's so obvious. Clear as day.
You say there is no problem then offer a suggestion to fix the problem.
Logic. There is no solution to offer is there is no problem. Yet you deniers do.
As usual. I win. Good day, deniers.
I would be very disappointed if they changed the graphics of pumps and mines... I don't think that is the right thing to do. But we will have to see if it happens or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajesticM
You are allowed to voice your opinions. What you're not allowed to do is post threads on the same topic repeatedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postsonpercocet
So, why are you still playing exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Postsonpercocet
You're done eh? So this is your last post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Postsonpercocet
Posting in existing threads is fine. It's the repeated creation of new ones by the same people on the same topic that is generally an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postsonpercocet
Yep. They are enforcing the forum rules. If you wish to complain about loot, post in one of the existing threads of which, according to you, there are many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postsonpercocet
Nothing really to deny as the graphic change has been well documented and anyone can see it for themselves in the game. Consider yourself lucky as vast majority of players are not forum members so they most likely have not realised the change yet.
As for the troop intelligence, have not noticed any change. Troops will head for the closest suitable target, with the few silly things in between when troops will bypass a target that should have been their nearest suitable target or start having a ego problem and think they need a bigger gap in a wall to walk through.
Loot issue is a tough one as while my troops have gotten better my realistic target group has been getting smaller and smaller. Also people have been getting better in base layout making so mines&collectors tend to be more spread and covered by defense so even a nice rich inactive takes more effort then 5-10 archers like in the good old days.
Also I wonder how many people have reached th10 and decided that their base is good enough so they will just spend what ever gold that they get to walls without farming hard for bigger upgrades so they are no longer offering a huge load for raiders. I know I am in this category quote heavily. Got one level to one at and then it is just few traps and some walls. Maybe later I will reach a point that I will have no reasonable goldusage left so I will start to offer good gold amounts to raiders once more.
Farming is a topic I have some interesting. In my (impartial as in i don't work for SC) opinion, no they have not declared war on farming.
AI hasn't changed, loot seems as it has been for a looooooooong time, at least since the loot change which massively benefited higher town hall players - which may or may not be a good thing depending if you are TH9 or 10..
Anyway I know SC really well, trust me they don't have anything against farmers.
Daddy are they changing the graphics on pumps and mines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddy
It's funny that after a few weeks of mediocre loot the last two days as been crazy good for loot. Gotta love irony.
The graphics are different. Whether it was intentional or not, we don't know. It took me exactly one battle to adjust.Quote:
Originally Posted by IGVegas
Dude they changed the pump to make people think there are more collector raids, but a first-stage filled mine/collector raid gets an easy 60-80K with barch.
Hahaha that postsonpercocet guy must be the most funny guy I see around here. I mean.. at first I just thought he was just another troll. But as he kept going, I realized he was actually bloody serious. The hypocrisy and bias are just extraordinary and so funny. Also, he will take any opportunities to call out these so called "deniers".
He keeps on rambling about these "deniers". Anyone who doesn't agree with him that loot is bad is a liar and denier. In my understanding, a denier has to experience the situation this guy describes and deny that afterwards. However, even after providing him tons of attack logs over the course of several months. Proof that I don't share his experience and actually find good loot. He just conveniently ignores every photographic evidence and keeps on rambling that the loot is bad for everyone and still insist that I'm a denier... Quite impressive how you know what I experience without even knowing me...
Anyways, the hypocrisy part is even more entertaining. Despite players providing tons of evidence, which he ignores, he himself doesn't provide any. The only "evidence" he gave is that he couldn't find good raids.. and when he does find several good raids, he actually says that it is evidence for bad loot too! Then when he doesn't find any collector raids for a while, he keeps going on about it again...
This guy is so biased and so convinced in his beliefs that I just gave up on trying to help him improve his situation.. any attempt to help him with his problem so far has only led to personal attacks.. So I see no other solution than to sit back and actually enjoy his rambling :)
Back on topic again. I don't think I would go so far to call a change in graphic, whether intentional or not, a war on farmers...
It just shows how much I love that guy xDQuote:
Originally Posted by andraxo
there has been a bit of talk about it in the last few days, the SC Q/A guy was looking into it yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by IGVegas
I think they are thinking that people are finishing the game too quickly and so they need to slow the pace of play. The easiest way to do that is to restrict loot. You can't do an upgrade if you don't have the Gold for it. So you have to farm more often meaning you play longer. We are all farmers in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajesticM
The problem is, it also makes the game frustrating and annoying to play.
I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postsonpercocet
Yay, another complaint about loot, just THIS time in another form. Fantastic.
I read someones post somewhere, idk from who/where, but i dont take credit to this:
"You shouldn't rely on inactives to play the game" -Anomynous (somewhere along those lines)
The point is dont rely on the people who dont play the game anymore so YOU can play.
You do understand that without inactives the entire economy would crash and burn right? Active players use exponentially more gold than they can produce with their mines. Therefore, every time you raid a storage of an active player, that gold at some point came from a player that was not active enough to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClanClasher1357
If SuperCell wants this to be an active player versus active player game I'm all for that (larger league bonuses) but it isn't. The entire economy revolves around inactives.
It seems to me you have two types of farmers. The ones that are efficient and want to max walls who go for collector raids, and the Napolean complex dudes who feel the need to flex their muscle by attacking storages (even though they prey on ths lower than them and poorly designed bases).
The whole raiding active players thing is a joke. In the game SuperCell created, you will never max th9 walls without raiding inactives. It's just not going happen unless you gem.
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Originally Posted by Daddy
Here's some proof about the visual bug:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...th-pictures%29
This is similar to real life evolution: Survival of the fittest. The weaker raiders eventually give up and spend money or quit, while the stronger adapt and evolve to become an even better farmer when so many others are giving up.
You know whats ironic about this whole thing? The loot is actually better for the TH 9 and 10s complaining. Once they heard of a loot change they went rabid without further research. The old loot system helped out Th 8s and below by giving a loot bonus for attacking higher Town halls, however the storage cap was 200k for TH 9s and 10s even if you got all 4 storages. It is actually much better to attack now you see examples of this on every thread you guys start (Buckylastard sandalhat etc thanks for posting your raids). Supercell isn't out to destroy you the loot is there. If you find the game so unpleasing please quit and do not ruin the forum experience for people who want to have fun exploring the game.
And why does this affect farming more than pushing?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajesticM
I'm town hall 10 and I agree loot is great here...if ur not premature that is. I can easily 3 star TH9s and if I'm just collector raiding I have more troops and spells to be able to take out all the well guarded collectors from both TH9/10...and TH9/10 have more collectors which are usually upgraded more (especially de pumps). Infernos protect my resources and most people fear them or rather avoid them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben1234
Yup Brandon farmed lvl 11 walls preying on inactives in masters right? Th 9 and 10 upgrades take 4-5 mil at their cheapest and take a week or two to finish. Even if players dump gold on walls if they are storage raiding with 30 min+ armies they are numerous opportunities to attack them. When you attack active players you don't steal all their loot. It is only a matter of a raid or two to replace what they lost on defense. Come to crystal 3 or beyond attack at every conceivable hour and tell me if you don't find storages with 200k plus in less than 5 minutesQuote:
Originally Posted by Smalls
Thank you, sorry your comments will be ignored by the usual suspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragequitter
Totally agree. Supercell foresaw this and factored it in when they designed the game. They also have complete control of the loot because they can control where the inactive end up on the queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smalls
You are ignoring the trickle up effect of the coc economy. prior to wars, every resource came from a pump or town hall hit/bonus. And usually from a player weaker than the attacker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben1234
The game has become harder for people who don't play several hours a day. need two good raids to offset losses and then several raids to profit.
I can still play and bring a rage with my batch army to crack and loot higher levels reserves...but you are missing the entire point.
To that I might have to say oh well. If you may not be able to invest much time/ not have high enough defenses for passive farming then you might have simply hit your wall. Supercell has no obligation to make sure everyone completely finishes farming their bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by yer
Good metaphor. Everyone will hit a wall at some point, even the #1 player has hit his wall. Persistence and game difficulty will determine it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben1234
It still amazes me how little some people know about the change in loot, yet they voice their opinion so loudly based on false information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben1234
If your were a th1-8 before the December update, you will most likely have experienced some great loot. But if you have been a th9 or 10, you would have known that it has improved a lot more now. Being a premmie th10 before the update was absolutely horrible. You would get raided by lower THs for crazy loot (up to millions as some has shown). The common advice for a th9-10 back then was just to start over. While today, a premmie th9-10 is perfectly salvageable.
I think they just did some error when updating client, becuse xp bar is not working aswell
and i dont have any problems farming as before, if you are farming collector then just check if storages are empty.
you can still gues how much loot is in collectors
Any good farmer can will noe difference immediately..
Go thru pics the full n less loot collectors..you will notice difference :rolleyes: