Option Feature for War Rosters

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May 20th, 2014
cti4sw

Opting In/Out for Clan Wars

So I have this guy who's got the #1 spot in my clan. Trouble is, he hasn't been online since the league renewal. I don't know what's going on; I'd like to keep him in my clan but I don't want him to count against the war roster. That's 2 attacks my clan loses because this guy's AWOL, plus his base strength counts against my clan even though he's not actively playing.

So, my idea (with some clarifying assistance and suggestions from kelu) is as follows:

When someone makes the selection to go to war, the war GUI opens for 24 hours for clan members to opt in (read: add their names to the war roster). When the 24 hours ends:

(1) If there's 10-14 people, the top 10 will pass on into the war and an opponent search is initiated; if there's 15-19, then the top 15, and so on. This gives every clan member the chance to participate.

(2) If there's less than 10 people, the war is cancelled and no search takes place.

(3) The matching algorithm finds an opponent based on its original criteria applied ONLY to those on the war roster. All other war features remain the same.

Do not choose Option A in the poll. If you like the suggestion, choose "Option B". If not, choose "This is not needed."

Thanks!
May 20th, 2014
cti4sw

Seriously? Three people?
May 20th, 2014
kelu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cti4sw

Seriously? Three people?

The way you described it was confusing.

Makes no sense to have the opting out after matchmaking, during prep day.

It should just simply be each person opting in to war. If they don't opt in, a leader can't opt them in.

This way, someone has to make a conscious decision to do so, and therefore is seen by leader as commitment to participate.

Leaders should not be able to make that decision.

If there is a need for a rounding off, the matchmaking does that. Only request I have is that it would do it via the same ranking as used on the war map, and not the trophy count list. I believe it is done that way, so you can KNOW who will be chopped.

So adding a sort/filter based on war strength would be great to help make this clear.
May 21st, 2014
Hanlink23

Yes yes yes!!!

God I hope they take option b into consideration I hate to kick good people out because they don't know how to attack very well!!
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

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Originally Posted by kelu

The way you described it was confusing.

Makes no sense to have the opting out after matchmaking, during prep day.

It should just simply be each person opting in to war. If they don't opt in, a leader can't opt them in.

This way, someone has to make a conscious decision to do so, and therefore is seen by leader as commitment to participate.

Leaders should not be able to make that decision.

If there is a need for a rounding off, the matchmaking does that. Only request I have is that it would do it via the same ranking as used on the war map, and not the trophy count list. I believe it is done that way, so you can KNOW who will be chopped.

So adding a sort/filter based on war strength would be great to help make this clear.

I agree with giving players the ability to opt in or out as well, but I don't think it's fair to the rest of the clan to have to lose a war because one person should have opted out and didn't, and therefore was counted in the matchmaking search. What if that person opted in but went on vacation or had a family emergency and didn't/couldn't opt out? Would you implement a timer or something? You have to opt in every day? That's tedious, isn't it? There needs to be a secondary control there. Players can manually set their war candidacy but leaders can override it if there are non-active players. The game requires 10 players minimum to go to war, so this feature would not allow a war to occur if less than 10 people opted in.

After writing Option B, I liked it better than Option A. No one is voting for Option A so I'll remove it.
May 21st, 2014
kelu

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Originally Posted by cti4sw

I agree with giving players the ability to opt in or out as well, but I don't think it's fair to the rest of the clan to have to lose a war because one person should have opted out and didn't, and therefore was counted in the matchmaking search. What if that person opted in but went on vacation or had a family emergency and didn't/couldn't opt out? Would you implement a timer or something? You have to opt in every day? That's tedious, isn't it? There needs to be a secondary control there. Players can manually set their war candidacy but leaders can override it if there are non-active players. The game requires 10 players minimum to go to war, so this feature would not allow a war to occur if less than 10 people opted in.

After writing Option B, I liked it better than Option A. No one is voting for Option A so I'll remove it.

What do you mean ??? The default should be opted out. Therefore how does anyone get let down ?

In terms of when to opt in, it's when the leader decides to prompt the clan and it lasts for up to 1 day, but leader can start war at any time. All opted in are used in war at that time. simple.

If they opt in and don't attack. Time for the boot, right ?
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

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Originally Posted by kelu

What do you mean ??? The default should be opted out. Therefore how does anyone get ♥♥♥♥♥ed ?

If they opt in and don't attack. Time for the boot, right ?

No, not time for the boot. Idk/idc how you run YOUR clan, but I live in a realistic world where people's real lives are not controlled or defined by video games. Video games are a hobby, not a lifestyle. How would you like it if real life worked the way you just suggested? Oh no, you're grounded/hospitalized/depressed/your parent just died, so your gamer friends just say "Oh well, he said he could play and he's not here, so ♥♥♥♥ him, he's not our friend anymore"? Your boss at work suddenly says, "He took the day off, so he's fired"?

My idea is thus:
-Give members the ability to opt into wars by somehow marking their name on the clan roster.
-This opt-in feature does not expire, but can be manually turned on or off by the member.
-Clan leaders may override opt-ins in case the player is inactive.
-This feature will freeze once a war is started, to prevent exploitation, and all opted members are locked in.

It's very simple. I still don't understand what's confusing about it.
May 21st, 2014
kelu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cti4sw

No, not time for the boot. Idk/idc how you run YOUR clan, but I live in a realistic world where people's real lives are not controlled or defined by video games. Video games are a hobby, not a lifestyle. How would you like it if real life worked the way you just suggested? Oh no, you're grounded/hospitalized/depressed/your parent just died, so your gamer friends just say "Oh well, he said he could play and he's not here, so ♥♥♥♥ him, he's not our friend anymore"? Your boss at work suddenly says, "He took the day off, so he's fired"?

My idea is thus:
-Give members the ability to opt into wars by somehow marking their name on the clan roster.
-This opt-in feature does not expire, but can be manually turned on or off by the member.
-Clan leaders may override opt-ins in case the player is inactive.
-This feature will freeze once a war is started, to prevent exploitation, and all opted members are locked in.

It's very simple. I still don't understand what's confusing about it.

If someone has vacation.. they don't opt in.

That's why we are proposing this feature right ?

If someone opts in, and is on vacation, then that is a dumb move. But if they have to opt in, then how do they opt in if they are on vacation ?? It's solved by the default being opted out.

You keep on saying things like "Clan leaders may override opt-ins in case the player is inactive."

in a system where they MUST opt in to even be in a war.. there is no need for this. There is only a need if they default to opted in. right ?
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelu

In terms of when to opt in, it's when the leader decides to prompt the clan and it lasts for up to 1 day, but leader can start war at any time. All opted in are used in war at that time. simple.

So you're proposing to essentially add a day to the beginning of the war that takes place before the search begins.

This sounds interesting, except that not everyone is online every day. This goes back to my bit about this being a game and not a lifestyle. I don't want to over-complicate this, which is why I initially suggested giving the ability to leaders only. However, your suggestion about member-activated options is a good one so I incorporated that into the original post.
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelu

If someone has vacation.. they don't opt in.

That's why we are proposing this feature right ?

If someone opts in, and is on vacation, then that is a dumb move. But if they have to opt in, then how do they opt in if they are on vacation ?? It's solved by the default being opted out.

You keep on saying things like "Clan leaders may override opt-ins in case the player is inactive."

in a system where they MUST opt in to even be in a war.. there is no need for this. There is only a need if they default to opted in. right ?

Lol, we're running into a problem of answering quotes before reading the latest answer.

I think I see what you're getting at, and I updated my original post. Tell me if I got it.
May 21st, 2014
kelu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cti4sw

So you're proposing to essentially add a day to the beginning of the war that takes place before the search begins.

This sounds interesting, except that not everyone is online every day. This goes back to my bit about this being a game and not a lifestyle. I don't want to over-complicate this, which is why I initially suggested giving the ability to leaders only. However, your suggestion about member-activated options is a good one so I incorporated that into the original post.

I am proposing that this happens :

Leader requests war commitments
members are all opted out by default
members choose to opt in, if they want to war.
This period could be 1 day max (or whatever you choose)
Leader can start war at ANY time and current matchmaking process goes forward with whoever is opted in.

That's it. Simple.

If you want to make that opt in period longer, that's fine. However, if someone isn't around to opt in, then it's fair to have them not in the war AND it in no way affects the integrity of the war.
May 21st, 2014
FlamingLightning

This has been suggested a lot of times. And what in the world do you mean"the orange shield"?
More info please
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingLightning

This has been suggested a lot of times. And what in the world do you mean"the orange shield"?
More info please

When you open your clan roster, the numbers are surrounded by this orange shield with crossed swords.

That.
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelu

I am proposing that this happens :

Leader requests war commitments
members are all opted out by default
members choose to opt in, if they want to war.
This period could be 1 day max (or whatever you choose)
Leader can start war at ANY time and current matchmaking process goes forward with whoever is opted in.

That's it. Simple.

If you want to make that opt in period longer, that's fine. However, if someone isn't around to opt in, then it's fair to have them not in the war AND it in no way affects the integrity of the war.

Yeah, I got it :) Didn't see that we went to 2 pages.
May 21st, 2014
kelu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cti4sw

Yeah, I got it :) Didn't see that we went to 2 pages.

No problem. Sorry, I am not trying to be argumentative. Just feel this is the ideal implementation and is pretty lightweight.
May 21st, 2014
cti4sw

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelu

No problem. Sorry, I am not trying to be argumentative. Just feel this is the ideal implementation and is pretty lightweight.

Thanks for the input! Hope they use it.
May 22nd, 2014
cti4sw

back to the top

So glad to see other people posting about this topic. Hoping SC takes it seriously!
May 22nd, 2014
RadShadow

Yep you nailed it.

Give the player the option to sit out or fight with a switch they toggle beside their name. Very simple and Very necessary. If they have "fight" toggled on they will be used when finding a war. If they have "sit out" toggled then when looking for a war it will act as if that player is not even in the clan.
June 9th, 2014
thedood

I'd love to see opting in to clan wars become a reality (however it ends up being implemented). I love all my clannies, but not all my clannies love the clan wars. At least half of us would like to participate in clan wars, but this is impractical with the current game mechanics.
June 9th, 2014
johnnybro1234

Have a read at my version of Opting out and please do comment http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post2096967
July 13th, 2014
LeeAlexander

This is extremely important and needs to be addressed by supercell!