Cavebears *new thread*

CAVEBEARS

So who are we?
Cavebears is part of the Bear Empire which currently includes our sister clans Riverbears, IceBears, and Skybears.

What are we about?
We are fearless
We are bloodthristy
We love burning villages
We drink from skull cups
We swing axes and warhammers
We are flexible when it comes to somebody elses property rights (especially regarding gold and elix, and Dark elix)
In our town halls we sit on thrones made from the bones of our victims
We make reference to Thor and Odin regularly.

To Join you need to be:

An active Adult player, the actual age is not important but being able to act like an adult is important. As for activity you are expected to donate a minimum of 200 troops per week, so we are probably more suited to those that play most days.

Your level and trophy count is not important, but your willingness to constantly donate and participate is important.

On Joining please note the following:

You are required to say Hi, if you fail to do so we will assume you have pressed the join button by mistake and will swiftly aid you on your way back into the wilderness.

It is considered unBEARable to join the clan and request troops before donating to your fellow Bears. Saying 'Hi, give me some troops' is considered to be a kickable offence. (This is known as Tanys's Rule).

Please only donate archers or barbarians. Nothing else.

When asked what God we worship, you should answer "Thor". Thor is a mighty God and we rightfully fear that He may bring the sky crashing down upon our heads if we don't worship Him. If you don't give the right answer then we know you have not read our rules and you may be kicked, or burnt at the stake. Depends on what sort of mood we are in at the time.

Please do not ask to be made into an Elder. Please don't even discuss it.

Lastly, just a thing about privacy. I am sure that as adult we can all agree about the need to protect personal privacy. Please do not ask anyone for their exact location (such as town or city), their age, their job or school, their friends, their gender, etc. Asking what country they are from is fine, but let's leave it at that.

So Still want to Join?
Search Cavebears in clan search (white shield with purple lightning bolt) and request to join, (please don’t mistake us with the other cavebears, I fear you will die of loneliness).

Donation Rules


Donation requirements: 200 per week. Archers or Barbarians are the standard donation troops.

All members may leave Cavebears and move to our sisterclans if they think they can not meet these requirement.

All Cavebear members with a high donating record, who have informed us of irl circumstances affecting their ability to donate for a period, are automatically granted the right to return to Cavebears and to be restored to eldership if they were previously an elder in Cavebears

If by some other means we become aware that a member of Cavebears has had some real life circumstances (unexpected personal circumstances) affect their ability to communicate with us and be active, then at the discretion of the Leader or the Guardian, that member shall not be removed.

Guardian requests. Consistently low donors in Cavebears may be asked at the discretion of the leader or the Guardian to move to a sisterclan in order to make room for returning Cavebears, should there be inadequate room in the Cavebear clan or to make room for consistently high donating Riverbears who wish to move to Cavebears.. This request will override the provisions of donation rule (2) above.

Summary
You can take this to mean that Cavebears will be for high donating people. People who cannot donate enough and will not move to a sisterclan, and who cannot simply understand that communication is a really good idea, will be removed. Painfully.

Primary Donor Rights

That means if you are having trouble donating then get in the chat and say "Let me donate!" (or abbreviate this as "lmd"), other players should then hold off donating until you have. When you have donated to one person say "Finished" (or abbreviate this as "fin". You may do this as much as you like until you reach 200 donations for the week).

To claim primary donation rights you must be active and monitoring the clan chat.

1) Type "lmd" which means LET ME DONATE!

2) Monitor the chat and donate to donation requests from other members. Remember to have first scrolled down the chat to make sure there aren't any donation requests still open down below.

3) When you see a donation request, donate a full compliment of archers or barbarians. Make sure you manage your barracks so that you always have these types of troops ready to donate.

4) When you have finished donating type "fin", this will let other members know you have donated and will mean that they then can fill the remaining donations spaces.

5) You can repeat this as much as you like over a period of time.

6) When you reach 200 troops donated you may no longer claim primary donations rights. Providing you follow our rules regarding behavior you are safe from being removed from our clan.

Sunday Night Ceremonies

Each week Donation counts take place on Sunday evenings at approximately 9pm (GMT) at this time all members donations are counted and those that fall short of the required amount as explained above face being offered up to Thor as sacrifice. Thor likes variety so the method of sacrifice changes (although the volcano and general throwing off the cliff without a pillow are some clan favourites) what does not change is that these offerings take place in a party atmosphere where mead is served in skull cups and hog roasts are devoured on the bone. The sacrificing ceremony takes place when the leader is able to do so, dependent on timezone this can be sometime after the count.

Some other rules….

Please say "hi" and "bye" when you log in and out. This is important to monitoring activity, it lets us know who is around, and it encourages a positive social atmosphere. If you log in and out many times a day you do need to say "hi" or some other greeting each time. This is especially important for new members as they may be kicked by elders for chat inactivity, especially if they are constantly asking for donations without saying anything.. Also, please thank players when you have received donations. Just a simple "ty" is enough.

If someone leaves our clan because they think they can find a better one then they are not welcome back.
All elders and leader should instantly kick, without consultation, any member who:
1) Attempts to encourage other members to leave the clan for any reason whatsoever.
2) Any member who has rejoined after leaving the Cavebears clan unless:
a)That member is an agent who has left our clan with permission granted solely by the clan leader. That includes everyone including myself.
b) That member has left, with notification to the clan leader, to join our sister clan or other associated clans run by the Cavebears.


In summary, if you leave our clan you are not welcome back and infiltrators will be immediately kicked.

However...

If a member lets us know they want to leave, perhaps to visit a friend in another clan, then they are welcome to rejoin us later on. Just post in this forum to let us know what is going on. Our elders and members often read through this thread, so your post will be seen. Thats much better than just saying so in the clan chat where only a few people might read it. Remember that different elders are on at different times, and if they are unaware that you left for a good reason, then they will be less likely to let you rejoin.

But wait, there's more!

If a member wishes to hop between our clan, the Cavebears, and our sister clans, then that is not considered leaving our clan at all. Again, just let us know. I recommend if you want to move between our two clans that you do it on a sunday or a monday, just after the donation counter resets (the moment you leave a clan your donation counter automatically goes to zero, regardless of how many troops you have donated). If you are going to swap clans then please do so for a period of a week, this will help keep clan numbers stable and help us decide upon recruitment policies.

We have regular votes on matters that affect us. Your views and opinions are critical to making this clan work effectively and for making it a desirable clan to not only join but also to stay with.

The reasoning for public voting is this: While voting on matters like the nature of troop donations may seem trivial at this time, it is important to establish a solid and transparent democratic tradition in our clan. By transparent that means that any decision, any vote is out there for us all to see, and so avoid any allegations or possibility of vote rigging. There may come a time when we need to vote on more important matters, and then we will have established good system for making such decisions.


Deadman's hand policy

This simply means an event will trigger unless it is prevented from happening.

This will affect all manners of things, like how we vote, vouching for players who fall below donation minimums, the role of elders and leadership, donation requirements, events within the clan, recruitment policies, etc.

All members may offer suggestions regarding our clan. These will often be discussed in the clan chat and here on the forum.
If the discussion is important enough then members may bring it to the attention of the leader by posting here on this thread.
If the leader gives approval, in writing on this thread, and only if he/she gives approval, then a member may write up a proposal to be offered on this thread.
The proposal will remain on this thread for a week. Unless the majority of clan members vote against the proposal here on this thread, it will be passed and become Cavebear policy. This is the deadman's hand in action.

The leader may make proposals without consultation with any other member including myself.
The leader may veto any proposal made by me, but not any proposal made by a member or elder.

This means that if you want a say in how the clan operates, and if you are opposed to any of the proposals made, you must take an active role on this forum. You must make your intention clear or your vote will not be counted. In other words if a proposal is made and you make some negative comment on it without actually saying "I oppose" or something equally obvious, then your comment will not be counted as a vote against.

If you agree with the proposal you need do nothing, you will be counted as a vote in favour.

The Selection and Role of Leader

The Cavebears clan has a rotating leadership, the leadership term lasts two weeks. Leaders are selected from Elders.

This is the process by which Leaders are selected.

1) Following our barbaric festivities (which takes place usually on a Sunday evening) a new leader will be selected.
2) The current leader will be asked by the Cavebear Guardian to nominate a new leader from the Elders.
3) The leader should select an elder based on the following criteria
a) They are very active, both in chat and in donations
b) They have posted on this thread in the past week
c) They have actively engaged in our barbaric culture and are well known for their bloody exploits.
d) They have not served in the leadership role before.
e) They are willing to accept the leadership role.

4) The Guardian may, without explanation, veto any choice made by the Leader, in which case the leader must select a new candidate.
5) The leader may ask for the advice of the Elders.

Note. No ordinary member may become leader. Nor may any ordinary member seek to influence the Leaders decision.

The role of the Leader is as follows:

1) To act as an elder at all times. but in addition to this:
2) To support and moderate the actions of Elders
3) To cast deciding votes where Elder votes are tied.
4) To promote elders with, and only with, the approval of the Guardian. However the Guardian may veto the promotion of any Elder without explanation.
5) To ensure this thread remains on page one of Clan Talk in conjunction with the Guardian
6) To promote the healthy culture of Barbaric Viking behavior.
7) To select a new leader at the end of the week, subject to veto by the Guardian.
8) To remove from the clan any member or elder who fails to meet the required standards of the Cavebear clan (donations, activity and behavior). For the meantime Leaders will consult with the Guardian on members to remove. For the meantime this will occur on a Sunday (NZ and Australian time)


Brief summary of Leadership events. Every second Sunday the current leader removes required members, promotes those to elder as agreed with the guardian, passes leadership to a new leader.



The selection and role of the Guardian

Selection and Removal of the Guardian

1) The Guardian shall always be a previous Cavebear leader. Leadership experience from any other clan does not count.

2) The Guardian shall remain in position until:

a) They relinquish the position of Guardianship in this thread, in which case the Guardian may select the new Guardian.
b) The leader calls a non confidence vote in this thread or
c) At least three elders call a no confidence vote in this thread, in which case for both (b) and (c) the Leader must nominate a new Guardian.
d) The current leader may not nominate themselves as Guardian.

No confidence votes are subject to negative deadman's hand policy: Over half of existing members must vote to remove the Guardian by individually posting "No confidence" in this thread within a week of the no confidence vote being initiated.

The role of the Guardian

The Guardian is responsible for monitoring administration details regarding

1) Donation counts and who is not meeting Cavebear standards of activity and behavior. The guardian will advise the leader each Sunday as to who is to removed from the clan.
2) Ensuring that the original values, atmosphere and ethos of the Cavebear clan are maintained over time, and for initiating actions to preserve the Cavebear culture as the need arises.
3) To act as an elder at all times.
4) To advise the leader on all matters as and when either expedient or requested.
5) To promote and encourage the growth of Cavebear culture, which is gratuitously violent, barbaric, uncivilized, heinous, unwashed, rather smelly, and soaked in the blood of its enemies.
6) To intiate constitutional proposals, to moderate constitution proposals raised by the Cavebear community group, and to safeguard the constitution




The selection and role of Elders

The selection of Elders

At this point elders may only be appointed by:

1) The Guardian
2) The Leader with the approval of the Guardian.

Elders are selected on the following compulsory criteria:

1) Their willingness, as an elder, to sacrifice their time and effort to help other members and to ensure that rude, disruptive, immature and otherwise unsuitable people are kept out of our clan.
2) Their willingness to sacrifice their time and effort for the benefit of all our members by helping to promote our clan and our culture through the forums
3) Their willingness to sacrifice their time and effort for the benefit of all our members by participating in important clan policy discussions and votes.

Elders are selected on the following optional criteria.

1) Consistently high donation counts
2) Being active in clan chat
3) Being active in this thread
4) Giving highly quality advice and help to other clan members
5) Behaving as suitably barbaric Vikings
6) Geographical location.
7) Length of time within our clan.

It is entirely up to the Guardian and the Leader to decide the relative weighting given to each of the criteria. Some elders may be selected entirely on the basis of just one criteria, some may be selected on the basis of several or all criteria. The Guardian and Leader may ask Elders for their advice.

At this time: At no point should the number of elders exceed the number of members. Ideally elders should comprise approximately one third of membership numbers.

The role of Elders

As a group the Elders are the keystone of maintaining our clans culture and strength. Elders ensure that people joining our clan are comapatable with our ethos and will contribute not only the required donations, but are also encouraged to chat, to adopt Viking behavior if not already a Viking, and to be familiar with at least the first page of this thread.

Elders are responsible for the following:

1) Accepting new recruits. At this time all recruits to Cavebears are to be accepted. If there is not room the elder is to write on the rejection reply that "we are full, please join Icebears" You can tap the screen to bring up your keyboard so you can type this reply. Consider 47 members to be "full".

2) Screening new recruits. A soon as a new recruit is accepted the elders are to question them. How did they find our clan? Have they read the Cavebear thread? (this one). Do they know what to donate and what not to donate? How many donations are required?

If the new recruit does not give suitable answers, or evades the questions, responds aggressively, or fails to respond in adequate time, it is up to the discretion of the Elder to kick the new recruit out, with the agreement of another elder if at all possible. If in doubt, leave the new recruit alone, we can always weed them out later if they are not suitable.

3) KICK IMMEDIATELY, without consultation, any member, new or old, who does any of the following:

a) Deliberately uses offensive language obviously intended to offend, belittle or insult any member.
b) Attempts to poach our members.
c) Asks for eldership.
d) Continues to make inappropriate comments after having been warned by an Elder.

4) Warn only once if:

a) The new member wants to discuss eldership. Refer them to the first page of this thread. If they bring it up again, kick them immediately.
b) If the new member makes a mildly inappropriate comment.

Do not accept into the clan any recruit who

a) Asks to join so they can talk with a "friend"
b) Any ex-member who left without permission from the Leader or notice posted in this thread.
c) Any ex-member who was kicked from the clan.

Do accept any member from our sisters clan.

Promote immediately to Eldership any Elder, Leader or Guardian from the Riverbears or other sister clan

Still want to be an elder? Then read on...

Elders are responsible for posting in this thread at least once every two weeks.

Elders are expected to be familiar with the entire contents of this thread as pertains to our rules, requirements and culture (just read it a bit at a time if you prefer)

Elders are encouraged to participate in the Community group discussion



All members shall be considered willing to accept the position of Leader or Elder unless they notify both the Leader and the Guardian by PM otherwise.

Therefore it will not be necessary to ask a member if they would like to be Leader or Elder unless that member has made it plainly obvious by sending a pm to the Leader and Guardian stating that they do not want to be made into a Leader or Elder.

At all times Elders may ask to be demoted if they feel uncomfortable being in that position. For that purpose they can ask the Leader to demote them, either in chat with the Leader, or by PM.

Should it arise that a Leader is uncomfortable being in that position, then they should consult with the Guardian first by PM and arrange for a suitable replacement.

It is I, THE MIGHTY BACONMAN! !!!!7!!!!! I would like to visit your Mighty Bear Empire! I have what I understand is called a level 8 town hall, 1579 of these strange trophies, and level 4 troops! HAIL THOR! PM to arrange said visit! HAIL THOR!

Bacon it's been a pleasure to meet you I have, been giggling all morning. Still it was rude of you to drink all my mead! This bear gets cranky if I don't get my morning mead!

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Originally Posted by Magnifico

Bacon it's been a pleasure to meet you have, been giggling all morning. Still it was rude of you to drink all my mead! This bear gets cranky if I don't get my morning mead!

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That was awesome mead. Too bad YOU didn't get it! hahahahha!

LOL HA HA HA you are ssssooooo funny

YAY! Excellent new thread! My only, humble question is . . . what is a Guardian? The clan leader and elders are clearly marked in the chat, but I have not seen this mysterious Guardian.

If your answer forces me to slap my forehead and exclaim d'oh, I shall blame excessive consumption of mead . . .

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Originally Posted by boomster9

YAY! Excellent new thread! My only, humble question is . . . what is a Guardian? The clan leader and elders are clearly marked in the chat, but I have not seen this mysterious Guardian.

If your answer forces me to slap my forehead and exclaim d'oh, I shall blame excessive consumption of mead . . .

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Slaps Boomster excessively over the head with a blunt battle axe. Bundles unconscious body of Boomster into an empty barrel (which once contained mead). Seals barrel. Shakes barrel until Boomster regains consiousness. Good. Chucks barrel into a river which leads to a series of waterfalls and rapids. Waits down river. Retrieves barrel. Shakes barrel again to ensure Boomster is at least semi-conscious. Good. Opens barrel. Drags Boomster out. Ties Boomster up and hangs Boomster by the feet from a tree. Covers Boomster in honey and dumps a wasps nest under his swaying head. Returns after a day and chops Boomster down. Kicks Boomster a few times. Still alive? Good. Rolls Boomster down a rocky slope. Slaps Boomster's face a few time for good measure with a pickaxe and stuffs a bar of soap down his throat. Leaves a note pinned to Boomsters chest with a four inch nail. Note reads: "I suggest you read the thread again. Cordial Regards, mike$, Guardian of Riverbears"

Why did u do that to Boomster? I can't believe you took it easy on him! I would have thought you'd have done much worse. It appears he must be one of your favorite Viking Bears since you were so restrained in your response. Yup, that HAS to be it. I sure hope Boomster now knows how special he is to you!

Signed your pinky-less sponsoree of yore,
KC99

HAIL the BEAR EMPIRE !

CaveBears are always wanting to pay you a visit.

I am very glad that our guardian has summarized our rules so well, which I all agree to
(... would be awkward if i disagreed in my current role as leader, wouldn´t it)

The other side of that coin is that those rules really come naturally after a short while and you will
not feel much constrained... but those rules help us keep this clan pleasant so we can have fun.:)

And I can tell you, we do!

... in the last 24h we had a nice barbarian wrestling
... debated on the sense of traveling to Italy
... talked about Antoine de Saint Exupery and the ability of truly see the world
... learned about the new wall breaker AI and how to use it best
... learned moe about Tasmania and the whether in upstate NY
... celebrated our looting successes with excessive amounts of Mead
... dicussed whether spiced rhum or wine gives the better hang-over
... laughed about pictures of vikings in inappropriate settings...
... talked about defence upgrade prioritities

C U

mayana

Bears...

I have some disturbing news.
Even though we all know Mike went easy on Boomster and left him in more than perfect condition, beside the river.
This morning as I was walking towards the river to wash off the blood from my last raid (which was more than succesfull by the way)

The below scene was displayed before me...

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Mighty Boomsters head was torn clean from his body...

Nothing to worry about though, as we all know injuries like this occur all the time in the cave and I stitched Boomster up in no time but still...
CUTTING OFF SOMEONES HEAD MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BIT OVERBOARD BEARS... THOR'S SAKE...

Bears I'm removing myself from the cave and relocating to the river. It's been wonderful but its time for me to leave.

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Originally Posted by Cavebears

Slaps Boomster excessively over the head with a blunt battle axe. Bundles unconscious body of Boomster into an empty barrel (which once contained mead). Seals barrel. Shakes barrel until Boomster regains consiousness. Good. Chucks barrel into a river which leads to a series of waterfalls and rapids. Waits down river. Retrieves barrel. Shakes barrel again to ensure Boomster is at least semi-conscious. Good. Opens barrel. Drags Boomster out. Ties Boomster up and hangs Boomster by the feet from a tree. Covers Boomster in honey and dumps a wasps nest under his swaying head. Returns after a day and chops Boomster down. Kicks Boomster a few times. Still alive? Good. Rolls Boomster down a rocky slope. Slaps Boomster's face a few time for good measure with a pickaxe and stuffs a bar of soap down his throat. Leaves a note pinned to Boomsters chest with a four inch nail. Note reads: "I suggest you read the thread again. Cordial Regards, mike$, Guardian of Riverbears"

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(groggily wakes up) I had the strangest dream that I was being tickled by a cuddly viking giant with long, sweet-smelling hair (I've got to get his conditioner) and a wild bushy and very scratchy beard (hint: use your conditioner on your beard as well), whose gentle smile will inspire my life forevermore.

(licks lips) mmmm honey

Having received explicit permission from the CB Leader Mayana, I am transferring to RiverBears. Hail Cavebears! Look after one another.

HAIL THE MIGHTY CAVEBEARS!

Further to my latest post in the Riverbears thread I would like to ask that no more Cavebears move to Riverbears to "sleep".

Any Cavebears who wishes to sleep, please move to the Icebears clan, which is still open invitation. Icebears currently consists of a couple of very low activity members who are essentially just holding the fort: Spechiinlove and Corugi. The rest of the Icebears are just zombies as far as I know.

Zombies? Yeah, the walking dead. The unliving. The life-challenged. A zombie has not asked for sleeper status, but never chats, never asks for donations, never gives troops, and has inactive builders. Yes. They walk among us.

As Riverbears is approaching full capacity (48 as soon as KC99 joins) I would also ask that any "marginal" members ( ie on the edge with their donation counts, etc) in Cavebears be asked to move to Icebears rather than Riverbears come this Monday's culling.

I will be repeating the fact that any Riverbear may move to Cavebears if they wish, (subject to Cavebear approval of course) but it is becoming apparent that most of our members prefer to stay where they are. There are a few of us who are very comfortable bobbing between our sister clans and enjoy our times in both clans, but it seems that most of our members would rather stick to one or the other. So once again I will suggest that some Riverbears may move to Cavebears, if they wish. If imbalance of numbers between our clans becomes a problem then I believe we should address this issue by consensus.

PS. I really enjoy the posts made by Mayana and Stickx above. I am also filled with tears of manly pride by the way Boomster appreciated my affection. next time I will use heavier weapons.

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Originally Posted by boomster9

(groggily wakes up) I had the strangest dream that I was being tickled by a cuddly viking giant with long, sweet-smelling hair (I've got to get his conditioner) and a wild bushy and very scratchy beard (hint: use your conditioner on your beard as well), whose gentle smile will inspire my life forevermore.

(licks lips) mmmm honey

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Yes but have you figured it out yet boom?

and yes mike heavier weapons next time, sounds like he enjoyed it too much!

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Originally Posted by Jorgbear

Yes but have you figured it out yet boom?

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haha, nice try mike, pretending to be Jorgbear in hopes of using your mighty weapons against me again! not falling into *that* trap!

mmmm honey

on second thought . . .

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Originally Posted by Cavebears

HAIL THE MIGHTY CAVEBEARS!

Further to my latest post in the Riverbears thread I would like to ask that no more Cavebears move to Riverbears to "sleep".

Any Cavebears who wishes to sleep, please move to the Icebears clan, which is still open invitation. Icebears currently consists of a couple of very low activity members who are essentially just holding the fort: Spechiinlove and Corugi. The rest of the Icebears are just zombies as far as I know.

Zombies? Yeah, the walking dead. The unliving. The life-challenged. A zombie has not asked for sleeper status, but never chats, never asks for donations, never gives troops, and has inactive builders. Yes. They walk among us.

As Riverbears is approaching full capacity (48 as soon as KC99 joins) I would also ask that any "marginal" members ( ie on the edge with their donation counts, etc) in Cavebears be asked to move to Icebears rather than Riverbears come this Monday's culling.

I will be repeating the fact that any Riverbear may move to Cavebears if they wish, (subject to Cavebear approval of course) but it is becoming apparent that most of our members prefer to stay where they are. There are a few of us who are very comfortable bobbing between our sister clans and enjoy our times in both clans, but it seems that most of our members would rather stick to one or the other. So once again I will suggest that some Riverbears may move to Cavebears, if they wish. If imbalance of numbers between our clans becomes a problem then I believe we should address this issue by consensus.

PS. I really enjoy the posts made by Mayana and Stickx above. I am also filled with tears of manly pride by the way Boomster appreciated my affection. next time I will use heavier weapons.

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It looks like ill be heading to the ice. Very sad to sa it but I had a very long hard week of school and I was unable o get my donations count that high.it will be nice to have a few active members at the cold part of the empire.

Hail Mighty Cavebears!!!
After visiting the Ice caves and the Riverbed, I think I'm ready to explore some caves!

Who's up for some spelunking?

While I've been inactive I've been reading on the forum and came across this snippet of information. Some members might not know me included.

Guide to Calculating Loot ( by zacHUVA )

Gold/Elixir Loot:

The percentage of gold/elixir that can be stolen from storages is 25% and is capped at 198k. This means that if more than 792k is being held in storages, it is subject to the cap.

The percentage of gold/elixir that can be stolen from mines/collectors is 50% and is capped only by the storage capacity of the mine/collector.

There is an additional 1k of each resource that can be stolen inside the Town Hall.

Therefore, calculated loot = (25% x stored resources, up to 198k) + (50% x amount in mines/collectors) + 1k.

This means that the maximum calculated loot, for each resource, that can be stolen from 1 opponent (with maxxed mines/collectors and full storages) is: 198k + (6 x 75k) + 1k= 649k.

These figures are BEFORE the multiplier is applied. The multiplier is what is behind the loot "penalty" and the loot "bonus". The amount of AVAILABLE loot= calculated loot x multiplier. The multiplier is determined as follows:

5% for attacking someine with a TH 4+ levels lower than the attackers.
25% for attacking someone with a TH 3 levels lower than the attackers.
50% for attacking someone with a TH 2 levels lower than the attackers.
90% for attacking someone with a TH 1 level lower than the attackers.
100% for attacking someone with a TH level equivalent to the attackers.
110% for attacking someone with a TH 1 level higher than the attackers.
150% for attacking someone with a TH 2 levels higher than the attackers.
200% for attacking someone with a TH 3+ levels higher than the attackers.

Maximum loot after the multiplier is applied is [(200%) x (198k + 6 x 75k)]+1k = 1.297 million of either gold or elixir. This is almost impossible for someone to actually raid, though.

The comprehensive foruma for finding available loot is:
(multiplier percentage) x [(25% x storage amount, capped at 198k) +(50% x mine/collector amount) + 1k]=loot

NOTE: The 1k that the TH stores is subject to the PENALTY, but not the BONUS, as 1k is the most it can ever store.

Dark Elixir Loots:

Dark elixir storages have 5% available for raiding and dark elixir drills have 75% available for raiding. The cap for raiding from the storage is 2k, while the drills are raidable according to (75% of uncollected DE) x (loot multiplier) or the maximum capacity of the drill, whichever is lower.

The formula for dark elixir loots is:
(multiplier percentage) x [(5% x storage amount) + (75% x amount in drill(s))]= loot

Welcome and hail to the mighty SIDLON, it's good to have you in the dark dank caves!
What or who is a sperlunk?

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Originally Posted by Deblet

Welcome and hail to the mighty SIDLON, it's good to have you in the dark dank caves!
What or who is a sperlunk?

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Sperlunking, dear Deb, is a word (of North American origin I believe) for what we call 'caving'

Hail Bears .... A Ramble to begin


In the early days of the Bear Empire there was but one clan, CaveBears. Our Founding Father, Mike, sent forth word to join him. The word was heard, and they came from all points of the globe to seek entrance to the Cave. The Cave has strict guidelines and there were, inevitably, some who were not deemed worthy, BUT, there were many who were. So many, in fact, that another camp was sought and RiverBears was formed. We now find ourselves with two vibrant clans doing battle in the name of Thor.


My Point


In the past few days we have had some Cave Dwellers depart for the River because real life commitments require their time, but the River is full! In this same time we have had membership requests and I asked myself, "Self, why are we vetting new members, when a perfectly good CaveBear has been asked to leave?" I further went on to ask, "Why can't they curl up on a fur at the back of the Cave and hibernate until their return?" I did not get a satisfactory answer, so I am here to ask all CaveBears their opinion.


A Proposal


We allow CaveBears who expect to be away for a while (say 2-4 weeks), to hibernate in the Cave. They would be expected to inform all Bears, via this forum, of their intentions well in advance, as many have done to date. If real life suddenly rears up and slaps them in the face, they again may remain so long as they inform, either in chat or here, of their inability to meet donation requirements.


I feel confidant that we are familiar enough with each other to recognise any who wish to take advantage of this process, and to deal with them in an appropriately barbaric and painful manner. An Elder consensus should be all that is required to make this judgement.


What do you think?




Take Care
Tanys

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Originally Posted by Jorgbear

Hail Bears .... A Ramble to begin


In the early days of the Bear Empire there was but one clan, CaveBears. Our Founding Father, Mike, sent forth word to join him. The word was heard, and they came from all points of the globe to seek entrance to the Cave. The Cave has strict guidelines and there were, inevitably, some who were not deemed worthy, BUT, there were many who were. So many, in fact, that another camp was sought and RiverBears was formed. We now find ourselves with two vibrant clans doing battle in the name of Thor.


My Point


In the past few days we have had some Cave Dwellers depart for the River because real life commitments require their time, but the River is full! In this same time we have had membership requests and I asked myself, "Self, why are we vetting new members, when a perfectly good CaveBear has been asked to leave?" I further went on to ask, "Why can't they curl up on a fur at the back of the Cave and hibernate until their return?" I did not get a satisfactory answer, so I am here to ask all CaveBears their opinion.


A Proposal


We allow CaveBears who expect to be away for a while (say 2-4 weeks), to hibernate in the Cave. They would be expected to inform all Bears, via this forum, of their intentions well in advance, as many have done to date. If real life suddenly rears up and slaps them in the face, they again may remain so long as they inform, either in chat or here, of their inability to meet donation requirements.


I feel confidant that we are familiar enough with each other to recognise any who wish to take advantage of this process, and to deal with them in an appropriately barbaric and painful manner. An Elder consensus should be all that is required to make this judgement.


What do you think?




Take Care
Tanys

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i think this is a sensible approach to the current predicament, as long as the hibernator either posts on this thread or if that is not possible informs either the leader or guardian, then this should also suffice.


As per all proposals this is subject to deadmans hand policy explained earlier in this thread

Jorg

Hail, Tanys,

I am not an elder, but I would still like to offer my opinion. I think this is a great idea. Personally, I don't anticipate needing to hibernate since I can always find some time to take the long boats out every day. Plus the LMD rule is there to use but if I did have a problem with the donation rule, I would not like having to move to the river. Packing up all my furs, axes, hammers, knives, loot sacks, armor, drinking horns, etc., and schlepping down the mountain is not a fun prospect...I would probably have to make two trips!

The other thing to consider is; what about the Cavebears that cannot swim? Aren't we asking them to risk their lives moving to the river? A drunk, armor wearing Viking does not float very well.

Hail Thor,
Azuhma

ashleyped7		1169
MsPlumr		1113
Tanys		1109
mayana 70		1074
Azuhma		1009
Megaaan		979
Deblet		934
Jorg		840
CookleDo		697
Andrew		576
Spechi		556
Matchstickx		539
jim107		538
shawn		514
suneloon		506
bizron		505
Buttnutz		463
Bob Fossil		448
fidanzal		442
angels4		417
squire		395
Phoenix		389
Mattluca		358
Dayala		344
O'Hammill		322
koolprince14		313
Pitchbl4ck		272
mjmalino		264
Kymarr		262
123bigboo		260
jinhua		244
Quasihobo		244
boomster9		241
ceemonstuh	New	239
Sidlon	New	181
JasonP520	New	164
cdawg	New	143
Gobchopper	New	134
Prince Noo	New	91
Isaac	New	80
John	New	52
TK	New	36
Jeremy	New	5

Remove those over 200:

Sidlon	New	181
JasonP520	New	164
cdawg	New	143
Gobchopper	New	134
Prince Noo	New	91
Isaac	New	80
John	New	52
TK	New	36
Jeremy	New	5

Remove those that are new and we are left with:


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Indeed no-one!!! Guardian recommendations are therefore to DRINK MORE MEAD!!!!!

Congratulation! Cavebears.

No casualty but a celebration of mead and dancing slaves.

SKAL!

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Originally Posted by Jorgbear

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A Proposal

We allow CaveBears who expect to be away for a while (say 2-4 weeks), to hibernate in the Cave. They would be expected to inform all Bears, via this forum, of their intentions well in advance, as many have done to date. If real life suddenly rears up and slaps them in the face, they again may remain so long as they inform, either in chat or here, of their inability to meet donation requirements.

I feel confidant that we are familiar enough with each other to recognise any who wish to take advantage of this process, and to deal with them in an appropriately barbaric and painful manner. An Elder consensus should be all that is required to make this judgement.

What do you think?

Take Care
Tanys

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I am in agreement with that idea (neither me nor my hand is dead) and I offer some of my
sleeping furs when needed.
I have personally experienced the great refreshment that a long meditation at THORs shrine can bring
to you (including the inevitable inactivity during that time).

Also some of us grow older and richer in levels, putting limitations on our vitality
(not me of course :-) I am more like the allegorical manifestaton of springtime in a perfect viking body :D
... still growing ... eager ... pushing to the top... full of dreams like a teenager ... running in front...

so some of us need some rest here and then (hahaha! ... I hope THOR never hears about it)
... and the back of the cave near the fire is well suited for that.
... rooms too be booked through prior reservation on the web - no credit card required. 3 weeks max occupancy.

(in the unlikely case someone approaches us with such a request on late sunday afternoon with 5 donations in that week
I might loose my temper however. I hope 8 bears will be around in such a case to prevent me ripping someone apart,
trampling on the fragments, which I intend to burn, with the ashes to be dissolved in acid and spilled into the sewer...you get the point)

C U Mayana

I am agreed,

after reading the arguments from my fellow elders,
I have nothing more to add.

Hail Cavebears

This will effect me in the future, if I go back to work. I would love to stay in the cave, it is my home away from. I will still be active in the cave, just not as active as I am now. I vote we should let people hibernate here, sometimes life gets in the way. Keep everyone informed of what is going on.

Hello bears I'm going back to cavebears im right now in riverbears ,just let you know vikgins:cool:

we will miss you at the river kot. may you return to us with the speed of thors lightning. :)

We welcome the return of these truly great warriors! HAIL THOR!!

by thor!
hail! The vigorous cavebears!
All mighty and great vikings!
skal!

Hello,

Some of you remember that we had to say farewell in last Sundays week-end ceremony to "Sjorre",
who used to be my trainer for giants. His lack of ambition had the consequence that we gave him
a new role that better utilzes Sjorres qualities :
He became food for fluffy, the giant icebear that usually hangs out with our leader (me at that time).

Last night we celebrated the first graduates of our newly revised giants training programm.
I tell you, they really rock now! Some experts on the matter say that they are now what they call "level 5".

As usual we had lots of mead, beer, singing, and games... and as usual it went a bit out of controll
There was some betting going on and one of our visitors (I think from MatchStixxs camp - but I was drunk,
so I could be mistaken) challenged my new giants, claiming that they are not sooo strong after all...
unless they can prove it ....
... by throwing a slave the full 25 yards from the fireplace over the cliff into the Fjord.

This is why I need your help now:
We lost 9 slaves in the course of settling this challenge.
I think that is an acceptable price for answering that matter of viking honour,
but the issue is that I only had 5 slaves, so we used 3 "other" slaves... (estimated - I am bad at maths)
Now I feel obliged to reimburse the owner(s), but I don´t know who they belonged to.
Could the owners please identify themselves!
... and describe the lost slaves, so that I can raid adequate replacements for you - sorry we only remember the approximate weight.(we had discussed briefly whether their is a diffrence in airspeed of unladen vs. ladden slaves or between European and African ones , but deffered that issue without resolution to someone more familiar with classic english humour (someone not drunk) and kept throwing Euro-norm-slaves with approx. the weight of a full barrel of mead)

C U

Mayana

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Originally Posted by mayana70

Hello,

Some of you remember that we had to say farewell in last Sundays week-end ceremony to "Sjorre",
who used to be my trainer for giants. His lack of ambition had the consequence that we gave him
a new role that better utilzes Sjorres qualities :
He became food for fluffy, the giant icebear that usually hangs our with out leader (me at that time).

Last night we celebrated the first graduates of our newly revised giants training programm.
I tell you, they really rock now! Some experts on the matter say that they are now what they call "level 5".

As usual we had lots of mead, beer, singing, and games... and as usual it went a bit out of controll
There was some betting going on and one of our visitors (I think from MatchStixxs camp - but I was drunk,
so I could be mistaken) challenged my new giants, claiming that they are not sooo strong after all...
unless they can prove it ....
... by throwing a slave the full 25 yards from the fireplace over the cliff into the Fjord.

This is why I need your help now:
We lost 7 slaves in the course of settling this challenge.
I think that is an acceptable price for answering that matter of viking honour,
but the issue is that I only had 4, so we used 3 "other" slaves...
Now I feel obliged to reimburse the owner(s), but I don´t know who they belonged to.
Could you please identify yourself!
... and describe the slaves, so that I can raid adequate replacements for you - we only remember the
approximate weight.

C U

Mayana

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This is UN BE LIEVABLE...

True, we had lots of beers and mead and some other substances distilled from the mushrooms that surround our villages but you have crossed the line! Medusa, my favorite dancing slave and the one responsible for training all slaves conguered in raids did not return home after your (I must admit fantastic) celebrations!

I thought that maybe she was still wandering in the woods trying to find her way home (we have all endured a walk of shame at some point) but I have had my barbarians searching the surrounding forrests for days now and they still had not returned with a sign of her... Sniff sniff

My sweet Medusa, used as shot-put fodder for Giants...

I do not know how you intend to repay this debt, but in my mind, only blood can settle this matter.

(slaps Mayana in the face with a mail glove)

You sir, have been challenged to a duel!

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Originally Posted by matchstickx

This is UN BE LIEVABLE...

TrueI do not know how you intend to repay this debt, but in my mind, only blood can settle this matter.

(slaps Mayana in the face with a mail glove)

You sir, have been challenged to a duel!

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Matchstixx, I am deeply concerned about your abstruse set of values.
How can you possible value a life (of Medusa) higher than the honour of a cavebear?
... after all you have questioned the strength of my men! That doubt required to be disproved immediately.

I accept the duel!
My choice of weapon is the empty barrel of beer thrown at each other at a distance of 10 meters
(assuming in good faith that you can throw that far).
The looser shall be the viking that first lost half a liter of blood and he shall publicly praise the fighting skills of the winning viking for a duration of no less than 1 full moon cycle.

Irrespective of that, your loss of a slave will of course be compensated by providing you with a similarly capable slave.

C U in the morning hours - just after sunrise - in front of the cave

Mayana

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Originally Posted by mayana70

Matchstixx, I am deeply concerned about your abstruse set of values.
How can you possible value a life (of Medusa) higher than the honour of a cavebear?
... after all you have questioned the strength of my men! That doubt required to be disproved immediately.

I accept the duel!
My choice of weapon is the empty barrel of beer thrown at each other at a distance of 10 meters
(assuming in good faith that you can throw that far).
The looser shall be the viking that first lost half a liter of blood and he shall publicly praise the fighting skills of the winning viking for a duration of no less than 1 full moon cycle.

Irrespective of that, your loss of a slave will of course be compensated by providing you with a similarly capable slave.

C U in the morning hours - just after sunrise - in front of the cave

Mayana

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You doubt my values as a CAVEBEAR, YOU DOUBT THEM!!!

And next you dispute my ability to throw an empty beer barrel a measly 10 meters...
You have thrown my slave in the fjord, you have offended me and questioned my viking strenght!

You will pay for this Mayana, at the crack of dawn, in no man's land in between our villages!


Untill then!

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Originally Posted by matchstickx

You doubt my values as a CAVEBEAR, YOU DOUBT THEM!!!

And next you dispute my ability to throw an empty beer barrel a measly 10 meters...
You have thrown my slave in the fjord, you have offended me and questioned my viking strenght!

You will pay for this Mayana, at the crack of dawn, in no man's land in between our villages!


Untill then!

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Quickly begins setting up grandstand at site of no man's land. Begins selling tickets. Also sets up popcorn and hotdog stands. Prints out T-shirts to sell. Brews extra mead. Raids a few more villages so as to have extra skull cups on hand.

We welcome Spoon, quanster and ajxx to the cave!

(Special note that spoon has met the 200 donations, after only joining LAST night)

This takes our current numbers to 49 ( although i suspect there may be one or two slots come Sunday)

HAIL THOR BRINGER OF VIKINGS!!!

The current process:

Brief summary of Leadership events. On Sunday the current leader will pass the leadership to a new leader. The new leader then gives the nominated bad donars a viking funeral. Rinse and repeat next Sunday.

Proposal:

That the above be changed so that the transfer of leadership take place after nominated members have been sacrificed to Thor.

The main reason for this is that it is likely the current leader has been more active and observant during the previous week so can therefore be better prepared and make an informed judgement as to the fate of low donators.

As always deadmans hand applies, should there be no objections this will come to pass.

That actually makes a lot of sense. I cant even recall why the old system was in place, I think it was something to do with letting the new leader get their hands bloody.

Looks like I may be able to hibernate in cavebears during my vacation! I will be gone for the first three weeks of April, with little internet access. I would ask when the hibernation rule becomes official, but I quiver at the thought of another drubbing. Not terribly viking-like, to be sure (said while sipping tea from a china cup).

I believe all hibernators are now gonna be hibernating in icebears

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Originally Posted by Evga

I believe all hibernators are now gonna be hibernating in icebears

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The proposal in post #26 above will likely become the new rule pursuant to the deadman's hand policy unless it is voted down.

That is how I understood it. Stay in cave bears. I am going to work Monday, on a one week temp. Job. I am staying at my daughters so she has the Internet. I will still be online. Have a good time boom.

A Proposal
We allow CaveBears who expect to be away for a while (say 2-4 weeks), to hibernate in the Cave. They would be expected to inform all Bears, via this forum, of their intentions well in advance, as many have done to date. If real life suddenly rears up and slaps them in the face, they again may remain so long as they inform, either in chat or here, of their inability to meet donation requirements.

I feel confidant that we are familiar enough with each other to recognise any who wish to take advantage of this process, and to deal with them in an appropriately barbaric and painful manner. An Elder consensus should be all that is required to make this judgement.


It has now been one week since the above proposal and no objections have been posted or raised elsewhere. The following will therefore be incorporated into the rules on the first page:

All Cavebears ( who have in previous weeks met the 200 donations) will be allowed to hibernate in the cave for a period up to four weeks. In order to attain hibernation status you must post on this thread in advance of your period of hibernation. If for any reason you are unable to post then you must inform either the leader or guardian.

Additionally the option to 'notify' (i.e. when those unexpected real life situations crop up which leaves you unable to meet donation requirements) remains and should you need to do so please inform the leader or guardian.

HAIL BEARS!

Have you heard about the new update?
One new troop (which costs too much DE for the most of us tho).
I am excited about the new league- and lootsystem! :D
It's gonna hurt the farmers (Jorg :p:p) quiet much.
So what do you think about it?

This evening's donation count has taken place and the findings are as follows:

Jorg		1880
MsPlumr		1652
Megaaan		1337
Leech		1226
Azuhma		1128
mayana 70		1059
Deblet		943
bizron		836
Andrew		781
ashleyped7		761
CookleDo		722
Sidlon		712
Acewyatt19		687
Isaac		637
Tanys		616
DP	New	561
shawn		543
Matchstickx		487
squire		480
Buttnutz		461
Phoenix		451
Spechi		450
Gobchopper		434
angels4		427
spoon	New	424
O'Hammill		400
suneloon		397
boomster9		355
Bob Fossil		354
ceemonstuh		353
cdawg		328
jinhua		312
Mattluca		309
Dayala		283
Pitchbl4ck		275
fidanzal		272
koolprince14		259
JasonP520		246
123bigboo		241
mjmalino		239
John		237
Kymarr		221
Quasihobo		200
TK		174
Prince Noo		144
Optophobe	New	110
Mr Skip	New	105
AJ	New	16

Awesome donations people!! 6 over 1000, excellent work BEARS!!

Now for business, those under 200:

TK		174
Prince Noo		144
Optophobe	New	110
Mr Skip	New	105
AJ	New	16

Now from those only leaves two members, TK and Prince Noo. Both members have been relatively active but have failed to meet the donation standard, Tk tried hard this evening but alas failed in his quest, however has expressed his desire to remain within the bear empire. The guardian recommendation is therefore that TK is requested to move to Riverbears in the first instance (pending Riverbears change in donation requirements then a move to icebears would be appropriate). As for Prince Noo, who has also come close, it is the guardian recommendation that Prince Noo relocates to an alternate Bear clan (Icebears).

One further note:

We have found ourselves 'helping' members this week try to attain the 200 donation requirement - I thank the Cavebears for their support in this but please note this is not a regular feature and is not to be expected, 200 troops per week is the required standard and it is up to you to achieve this, otherwise perhaps the Cave is not the place for you .....

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Originally Posted by Jorgbear

It has now been one week since the above proposal and no objections have been posted or raised elsewhere. The following will therefore be incorporated into the rules on the first page:

All Cavebears ( who have in previous weeks met the 200 donations) will be allowed to hibernate in the cave for a period up to four weeks. In order to attain hibernation status you must post on this thread in advance of your period of hibernation.

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Alrighty then!

For the next three weeks, I will be hibernating - on a loooong vacation with iffy internet access. I will make appearances as much as possible but it is likely that I will be entirely absent for days at a time. The week of April 21st I will come out of hibernation, swinging my axe mightily with all of my pent-up viking skills!

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Originally Posted by boomster9

Alrighty then!

For the next three weeks, I will be hibernating - on a loooong vacation with iffy internet access. I will make appearances as much as possible but it is likely that I will be entirely absent for days at a time. The week of April 21st I will come out of hibernation, swinging my axe mightily with all of my pent-up viking skills!

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Boomster, I will include you in the songs that we sing each evening at the bonfire about
fight, battle and honour - praising your past achievement , so that THOR will not forget you.

C U

Mayana

Cavebears,

I'm afraid I am going to have to be the next one to hibernate.
I said before that life has been demanding of late and it's not getting any better any time soon.
This made me decide to stop playing for a while, I need all the time I can get for the rest of april.

I will be dropping by in chat today/tomorrow to say my goodbyes ;)

Take care


Match

I have been working this week. It is only for this week, doing demo work in a auto plant, capping off water lines and such. I am working nights, getting home at one thirty. Trying to get ipad away from grand kids in the day. Any I am hopping in and out. See you all in the cave. May Thor guide you in all your battles.

I too will be unavailable from end of thursday until at least tuesday, if anyone needs me, use the batphone!

Hello vikings,

Since my giants finally have level5 they constantly get drawn into all kinds of weird quarrels with other vikings.
You might remember my dispute with Matchstickx (which was resolved in true viking fashion by Match winning an epic duel,
where he knocked me out with the 3rd empty barrel that he threw at me)
As I am currently sitting behind a very convenient shield I have time to tell you about the latest dispute
we got in:
Another viking giant claimed:
"I am twice as strong, I can throw my axe twice as fast,
so I kill my opponents in half the time, getting rich twice as fast"

Regardless of whether he actually is twice as strong my scholars argued that his reasoning is completely
flawed anyway.... and of course I will share our theoretical considerations with you:

1) Being "twice as strong" is probably supposed to mean that his arm can exert a force twice that
of my guy. That would indeed mean that he would axcellerate the axe twice as strongly.
BUT the length of his arm is not any longer, so his faster axe will be released after a shorter time - when
his arm is fully extended.
His stronger accelatation for a reduced amount of time translates to a subpropoportinal growth in
max velocity with growing strength.

2) All of these guys are really strong and their axes fly really fast, hence relativistic effects are not to be neglected
and the mass increase will dampen the velocity increase, again making it subproportional.

3) If this guy really achieves double max velocity of his thrown axe then it will be more affected by
atmospehic drag, which increases with velocity squared, so the drag will be quadruple initially!
Unless his target is really close his initially higher speed of the axe will decay more quickly with distance.

4) Also the conclusion that double speed of the axe makes double damage would be incorrect, because
the damage inflicted is likely propoportional to the kinetic energy deposited by the axe into the targets face,
being consumed by the (likely lethal) deformation work on this poor guys skull.
Energy however scales quadratically with speed, not linearly.

5) Assuming these guys actually do double damage (a mathematically grossly oversimplified assumption) that means...
... not much, because the military effect in reality is quantized : You kill a guy in CoC with 1, 2,3...n hits
with n being a natural number. Whether you see any net effect depends on your opponent.
If you are a giant and beat upon a lvl2 goblin for example then ANY giant (lvl3,4,5 or 6) will kill the goblin in
one shot - there would be no point in being stronger. (different of course if you smash into a lvl 9 wall).
Back to this mans original statement:
making double damage means beating your opponent in 50%-100% of original time, not necessarily "half"
... againt output subproportional to input.

6) Does this mean you get richer twice as fast?
Well, that depends a lot on what your limiting factor is ! (theory of constraints)
... If you just cant find any better loot then it is of minor relevance how fast you can 3-star someone :-)
... if your giants (regardless how strong) survive being grilled by 2 wiz towers only when supported by a healer
then you are not making more than 1 such attack in 20 minutes regardless of your giants strength.

However: If (given your stronger giants) you can do some attacks without healer or with less giants than before
then your frequency of attacks can go up.
Also you could possibly tackle tougher opponents with higher loot (the correlation between
defensive strength and loot is weak however)

but for that you need not only be stronger but also more flexible, clever and aggressive as a commander.

Somehow the "stong guy" who can throw the axe so fast had no interest in these thoughts to we
decided to get drunk together.

C U

Mayana

Hail bears!
As you may or may not have noticed, I have not been as active as I once was... I have been VERY busy at work and with family, so I have not had as much time to play as I had grown used to. I had actually come here to leave the clan (hopefully temporarily), but just saw the new option to hibernate. So, pending approval, of course, I would like to hibernate as well. I will check in to donate when I can, but will not be as active in chat. Let me know what the grand council decides.

HAIL!

Took me a while, but I am now registered on the forum. Had to use Firefox instead of IE.

DP

And I wasn't sure if I should break my shield lol

Wow, that was more than I ever got... and you even did it without healer and giants !!
... it must have been the viking aura or fluffys help... or whatever!!

Keep on, SpeChi !

C U Mayana

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Originally Posted by mayana70

Hello vikings,

Since my giants finally have level5 they constantly get drawn into all kinds of weird quarrels with other vikings.
You might remember my dispute with Matchstickx (which was resolved in true viking fashion by Match winning an epic duel,
where he knocked me out with the 3rd empty barrel that he threw at me)
As I am currently sitting behind a very convenient shield I have time to tell you about the latest dispute
we got in:
Another viking giant claimed:
"I am twice as strong, I can throw my axe twice as fast,
so I kill my opponents in half the time, getting rich twice as fast"

Regardless of whether he actually is twice as strong my scholars argued that his reasoning is completely
flawed anyway.... and of course I will share our theoretical considerations with you:

1) Being "twice as strong" is probably supposed to mean that his arm can exert a force twice that
of my guy. That would indeed mean that he would axcellerate the axe twice as strongly.
BUT the length of his arm is not any longer, so his faster axe will be released after a shorter time - when
his arm is fully extended.
His stronger accelatation for a reduced amount of time translates to a subpropoportinal growth in
max velocity with growing strength.

2) All of these guys are really strong and their axes fly really fast, hence relativistic effects are not to be neglected
and the mass increase will dampen the velocity increase, again making it subproportional.

3) If this guy really achieves double max velocity of his thrown axe then it will be more affected by
atmospehic drag, which increases with velocity squared, so the drag will be quadruple initially!
Unless his target is really close his initially higher speed of the axe will decay more quickly with distance.

4) Also the conclusion that double speed of the axe makes double damage would be incorrect, because
the damage inflicted is likely propoportional to the kinetic energy deposited by the axe into the targets face,
being consumed by the (likely lethal) deformation work on this poor guys skull.
Energy however scales quadratically with speed, not linearly.

5) Assuming these guys actually do double damage (a mathematically grossly oversimplified assumption) that means...
... not much, because the military effect in reality is quantized : You kill a guy in CoC with 1, 2,3...n hits
with n being a natural number. Whether you see any net effect depends on your opponent.
If you are a giant and beat upon a lvl2 goblin for example then ANY giant (lvl3,4,5 or 6) will kill the goblin in
one shot - there would be no point in being stronger. (different of course if you smash into a lvl 9 wall).
Back to this mans original statement:
making double damage means beating your opponent in 50%-100% of original time, not necessarily "half"
... againt output subproportional to input.

6) Does this mean you get richer twice as fast?
Well, that depends a lot on what your limiting factor is ! (theory of constraints)
... If you just cant find any better loot then it is of minor relevance how fast you can 3-star someone :-)
... if your giants (regardless how strong) survive being grilled by 2 wiz towers only when supported by a healer
then you are not making more than 1 such attack in 20 minutes regardless of your giants strength.

However: If (given your stronger giants) you can do some attacks without healer or with less giants than before
then your frequency of attacks can go up.
Also you could possibly tackle tougher opponents with higher loot (the correlation between
defensive strength and loot is weak however)

but for that you need not only be stronger but also more flexible, clever and aggressive as a commander.

Somehow the "stong guy" who can throw the axe so fast had no interest in these thoughts to we
decided to get drunk together.

C U

Mayana

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Mayana. I am in awe. Your analysis of the dynamics of axe throwing provide a fascinating insight into the the cost effectiveness of giant upgrading. However despite your exhaustive study I do feel the need to point out several oversights.

Dark matter. What is the effect of dark matter upon the axe? Granted yes, the effect of dark matter and its interaction with our Universe is barely understood, but barely knowing anything has never stopped Vikings from invading it. We should consider how to might be possible to invade dark matter in order to more fully study the effects of this mysterious substance.

String theroy. Until we know how to invade the other dimensions of our Universe we will never be able to reconcile our knowledge of axe throwing theory with Giant proportionality. To this end it is essential we learn how to throw axes at right angles to reality. I suggest we dedicate a crack team of our most drunk Vikings to this task.

Quantum Wave fluctuations. Very well, we may see a decrease in the proportional destructiveness of a higher levelled giant's axe throw. But is this always the case? What if there was no one there to observe the Giant throwing the axe? Is it possible that our very observations of the axe is somehow actually affecting its performance? We need to devise an experiment where the influence of an outside observer can not possibly affect the performance of the axe. I suggest we use cats. Cats are not interested in anything else except themselves and food, so it stands to reason that their influence upon the axe will be zero. I suggest we approach Lord Loki in the Riverbear clan and ask him to volunteer some cats for our purposes.

HAIL MIGHTY BEARS FROM THE RIVER!

As you might know we will expand our empire into the SKY!
The main purpose of Skybears will be hunting trophies in preparation of the new league system.
If anyone of you want to join our adventure to the top leave me a quick message!

Requirements should be the same as in Rivers/Cave.
Minimum Donation/week: ~100 (will be increase in the future)
Age: +18
Trophies: 1400 (?)

Please share your thoughts and ideas and I will adapt them into the new thread.

Optophobe wanted me to tell everyone his phone broke, and it is being repaired. He won't be on this week, till he gets it back.

Level 34 with a TH 9, I'm thinkin gems....
http://i.imgur.com/qAQgWqH.jpg
Here you go leech, whatever your username is. @leech

Hi guys I'm gonna be a bit inactive next week please excuse my poor donation numbers, bears.

Sunday evening is upon us once more and the donations have been counted!!

DP		2007
Megaaan		1716
Leech		1393
Azuhma		1129
Tanys		1120
spoon		1088
Jorg		1070
mayana 70		954
Sidlon		824
ashleyped7		815
squire		774
MsPlumr		709
O'Hammill		686
Phoenix		668
bizron		635
Spechi		596
Buttnutz		504
angels4		504
suneloon		496
CookleDo		448
ceemonstuh		447
Deblet		442
Andrew		440
Optophobe		425
shawn		420
Gobchopper		405
Pitchbl4ck		394
Bob Fossil	(Now in Icebears)	390
koolprince14		381
Mattluca		366
123bigboo		333
fidanzal		316
boomster9		311
Isaac		310
Mr Skip		280
mjmalino		279
Dayala		243
Quasihobo		232
NeonSam	New	225
cdawg		219
JasonP520		209
Acewyatt19		208
jinhua		180
John		178
Dave J Adam	New	146
Alex R	New	108
Kymarr	Sleeping	30
Matchstickx	Sleeping	25

Those under 200 are therefore:

jinhua		180
John		178
Dave J Adam	New	146
Alex R	New	108
Kymarr	Sleeping	30
Matchstickx	Sleeping	25

Removing new joiners/ sleepers leaves us:

jinhua		180
John		178

Both have come close but have failed to meet the clearly stated 'safe' zone of 200.

However.... Jinhua has been within the cave for sometime and has always met donation target he has also been absent the last few days, BEARing this in mind the guardian recommendation is to ascertain if there is a valid reason he has not met minimum donation requirement. No such mercy is recommended for John.... pass him a pillow.....

Another week of Awesome donations BEARS, 7 over the thousand mark and special mention for DP who hit over 2000 this week, dp we bow to your trigger finger!!!

http://forum.supercell.net/webkit-fa...ED3BF/imagepngAttachment 5867

Hi folks.

If you want to tell your below 200 donars (but above 100) to move to Riverbears, Icebears or Skybears, they will be accepted.

For example John can move in with us if he wishes.

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Originally Posted by Cavebears

Mayana. I am in awe. Your analysis of the dynamics of axe throwing provide a fascinating insight into the the cost effectiveness of giant upgrading. However despite your exhaustive study I do feel the need to point out several oversights.

Dark matter. What is the effect of dark matter upon the axe? Granted yes, the effect of dark matter and its interaction with our Universe is barely understood, but barely knowing anything has never stopped Vikings from invading it. We should consider how to might be possible to invade dark matter in order to more fully study the effects of this mysterious substance.

String theroy. Until we know how to invade the other dimensions of our Universe we will never be able to reconcile our knowledge of axe throwing theory with Giant proportionality. To this end it is essential we learn how to throw axes at right angles to reality. I suggest we dedicate a crack team of our most drunk Vikings to this task.

Quantum Wave fluctuations. Very well, we may see a decrease in the proportional destructiveness of a higher levelled giant's axe throw. But is this always the case? What if there was no one there to observe the Giant throwing the axe? Is it possible that our very observations of the axe is somehow actually affecting its performance? We need to devise an experiment where the influence of an outside observer can not possibly affect the performance of the axe. I suggest we use cats. Cats are not interested in anything else except themselves and food, so it stands to reason that their influence upon the axe will be zero. I suggest we approach Lord Loki in the Riverbear clan and ask him to volunteer some cats for our purposes.

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I hereby formally request that we start a full-fledged study group on the the topic of axe throwing.
My first contribution will be to appologize for my inappropriate simplification of this topic.

Of course string theory has to be included in our theoretical modelling of this important piece of our reality.
We have now clue about it, but as politics teaches us, that is a great starting point for debating about it.
The same goes for dark matter. I may even be an expert for that one because it seems to accumulate under
the toe nail of my 5 year old son - so dark matter finally is accessible to empirical examination.
Even better is the idea with the cat. Now that Schroedinger is dead we should indeed ask Lord Loki for
cats. The problem with cats is that they themselves are very independant beings, BUT they act much differently
when observed vs. not observed and that might limit their own suitablity as an observer:
Cats are apparently good hunters, quickly responding to any opportunity when they are on
their (unobserved) hunt- HOWEVER, if you open a door to let a cat outside (and watch what happens)
- it can take them for ages to make a decission. in, out, in, out, maybe not, no back in... maybe outside better

AND having cats for our quest for knowledge might offer additional opportunities:
I am concerned that when we start practicing to throw axes at right angles (to whatever)
we might loose some of our valuable axes. Wasting axes is a serious issue, while wasting lifes is
something we are used to accept.... so throwing cats could be our way to go forward.
They may even give us some new insights into the dynamics during the flight phase.

Another thought came to me: I hope supercell never allows Giants to be trained to even higher
levels than today! If the energy of the thrown axes keeps growing like they did so far, then we
need to be really concerned about the impact process.
I wonder what will happen to the victim when the momentum of the incoming axe makes even
more deformation than today. The compression of matter will no longer be constrained by the
natural repulsive forces of that guys face.
I would extrapolate that starting at giants level 8 even the quantum degenercy pressure (due to violation of the Pauli exclusion principle of the then far too condensed matter) will not be sufficient to stabilize that face.
The result would be an uncontrolled gravitational collapse of the "axe/face quark gluon plasma" (from now on known as "afqgp") ...
...the emergence of a black hole on the surface of my iphone.
The end of all life on earth will be supercells fault!... as it had been stated many times before on this forum

... as I said, the details of axe throwing should be a serious concern to us vikings and we should form a study group.

With academic greatings

Mayana
senior viking consultant on axe throwing physics

My fellow cavebears,

I have some grave news...
You all know I have been hibernating the past week, thus I haven't been online.

This weekend I got robbed by a couple of guys in the middle of Antwerp, nothing serious, some scrapes and bumps and 3 of my ribs are bruised. I defended myself like a true viking but 3 attackers proved too much and in the end I had to give them my wallet and my iphone... Thus I have no means at the moment to play Clash of Clans... :(

Also since I just moved appartments etc. I have had a lot of expenses the last couple months that drained my savings, so it will be a while before I will be purchasing a new iPhone.

Anyways, I think it would be best if you guys kicked me from the clan for the time being to make room for members that are actually going to be around. I hope that in one or two months time when I have some cash again I will be able to join back.

It's been a blast hanging out with you and I wish you and the other bear clans all the best!

Farewell, adieu!

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Originally Posted by matchstickx

My fellow cavebears,

I have some grave news...
You all know I have been hibernating the past week, thus I haven't been online.

This weekend I got robbed by a couple of guys in the middle of Antwerp, nothing serious, some scrapes and bumps and 3 of my ribs are bruised. I defended myself like a true viking but 3 attackers proved too much and in the end I had to give them my wallet and my iphone... Thus I have no means at the moment to play Clash of Clans... :(

Also since I just moved appartments etc. I have had a lot of expenses the last couple months that drained my savings, so it will be a while before I will be purchasing a new iPhone.

Anyways, I think it would be best if you guys kicked me from the clan for the time being to make room for members that are actually going to be around. I hope that in one or two months time when I have some cash again I will be able to join back.

It's been a blast hanging out with you and I wish you and the other bear clans all the best!

Farewell, adieu!

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Nonsense Stickx. We will create a special category of membership for you. "Those who have been mugged and defended themselves as true Vikings" . Such members will need only apply again to rejoin instantly and be accorded a hero's welcome upon their return.

I'll keep your spot in the cave nice n grubby, hope you're ok :-)

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Originally Posted by matchstickx

My fellow cavebears,

I have some grave news...
You all know I have been hibernating the past week, thus I haven't been online.

This weekend I got robbed by a couple of guys in the middle of Antwerp, nothing serious, some scrapes and bumps and 3 of my ribs are bruised. I defended myself like a true viking but 3 attackers proved too much and in the end I had to give them my wallet and my iphone... Thus I have no means at the moment to play Clash of Clans... :(

Also since I just moved appartments etc. I have had a lot of expenses the last couple months that drained my savings, so it will be a while before I will be purchasing a new iPhone.

Anyways, I think it would be best if you guys kicked me from the clan for the time being to make room for members that are actually going to be around. I hope that in one or two months time when I have some cash again I will be able to join back.

It's been a blast hanging out with you and I wish you and the other bear clans all the best!

Farewell, adieu!

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Hope you feel better soon Match!

Hail Bears! I have joined the forums to be of more use to the bear clans.
Hope to see you at the feasting hall soon
:spoon

Match I hope you gave as good as you got. You're a feisty one! Seriously I hope you're ok and get back into the game soon.

Match, I am so very sorry to hear of your recent troubles. Did you try saying to the muggers, "Hey, you can't take my iPhone, I play Clash of Clans! Take my wife instead." It might have swayed them you know.

Seriously though, I hope you are back on your feet in the short term.

Battleaxe...never leave home without it!

We will be waiting for you to come back. We will leave the light on in the cave for you. Hope you feel better soon.

Really nothing serious besides the ribs...
Hurts like hell when I try to go to sleep, but an iPhone is a bitter thing to lose :/

I am looking into some options right now, I'll keep you updated!

Thank you for the special membership Mike ;)
I hope to be online again real soon!


Cheers

Match

Recently, I stole around 1500 DE with three lightning spells :D from a guy named GodlikeLT from the Chinatown XVI clan. He revenge-raided me today with one lightning spell and 10 (ten!) dragons. Of course, he attacked from the side where my air defense unit was in mid-upgrade. The funny part is that while it was a 29 trophy loss for me, i only lost 39k G, 83k E, and 81 DE. :p

So, while revenge is best served cold (which he failed to realize), it is also best served from the ground. ;)

Attachment 5980

I didn't bother attacking this guy, because of the low resources, but this is the second time I've ran across him. You guys asked for a screenshot last time, so here it is. He didn't even have the outside ring of walls last time. I like that he has a block of fire walls on the right side. :)

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Originally Posted by Jorgbear

The current process:

Brief summary of Leadership events. On Sunday the current leader will pass the leadership to a new leader. The new leader then gives the nominated bad donars a viking funeral. Rinse and repeat next Sunday.

Proposal:

That the above be changed so that the transfer of leadership take place after nominated members have been sacrificed to Thor.

The main reason for this is that it is likely the current leader has been more active and observant during the previous week so can therefore be better prepared and make an informed judgement as to the fate of low donators.

As always deadmans hand applies, should there be no objections this will come to pass.

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A week has now passed since this proposal was posted, as there have been no objections the thread will be updated to reflect this change.,

Good call Jorg.

;)Leech! When were you in my house? I know you were 'cause that is the only way you could have designed such a perfect avatar for me. I adore it. I can't stop grinning. You are fabulous. I want to make that my avatar for real life. I can't thank you enough. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by SummerStarter

;)Leech! When were you in my house? I know you were 'cause that is the only way you could have designed such a perfect avatar for me. I adore it. I can't stop grinning. You are fabulous. I want to make that my avatar for real life. I can't thank you enough. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Gald you like it, Summer.
Inspiration came from your name. Now you can start the summer with a hot dragon.
Burn baby burn!

Skal!

As always leech comes through. It looks great summer!

State of the Bear Empire.

13th April

Cavebears 45
Riverbears 42
Icebears 46
Skybears 3

Total 136

I suggest the following policy be adopted by all clans when their numbers become near capacity (capacity is not 50, but is rather in the range of 45 to 50).

This is a general suggestion, obviously it will depend specifically on room avialable in clans, the nature of the members, and the intentions of each clan involved.

• Send all willing trophy hunters who meet the requirements of Skybears to the Skybears clan. Skybears currently requires a trophy count of 1200 and the ability to donate level 4 archers. But it is very new and these requirements are only a guideline at the moment and may change. Please adopt a very flexible attitude when it comes to accommodating people who want to join Skybears.

• Send high level, high donating, farmers go to the Cavebears clan, subject to room available in Cavebears.

• Send medium level, medium activity, farmers to the Riverbears clan. At the moment Riverbears still has only a 50 troops per week donation target. But you may need to check with Karthi (Guardian of Riverbears) if that is set to change in the near future. We were still debating it at the time I left Riverbears.

• Send lower levelled members to the Icebear clan.

When I say "send" I dont necessarily mean tell what people what to do like its an order. Rather, that members are given a choice, or are encouraged to move. For example a high level, high donating member may be encouraged to join Cavebears. Of course in some cases it depends on the circumstances of each individual member. For example a member of cavebears who does not meet the requirements may be given the choice of moving to Riverbears or being kicked. In this case its not really so much of a choice, but I think you know what I mean.

Note that Icebears is undergoing a systematic replacement policy at the moment. Inactive players are being removed one at a time. Therefore expect to see a steady decline in Icebear numbers over the next two weeks. If however any clan is facing a crunch of full numbers, let us know at Icebears and we will speed up the process to create room for active low levelled members.

The most anticipated evening is upon us, it's festivities time, fill the skull cups, sharpen the axe, give the catapult a once over, bring out Fluffy......

The donation count at 9pm (ish) GMT is:

Leech		2336
Megaaan		1887
DP		1800
Tanys		1776
Azuhma		1585
MsPlumr		1221
spoon		1149
Jorg		1143
mayana 70		1085
Deblet		1045
Phoenix		1006
Molly McSmashie	New	886
Quasihobo		852
Andrew		835
bizron		805
squire		708
shawn		646
Sidlon		631
Alex R		520
Buttnutz		488
Dayala		479
Dave J Adam		458
ashleyped7		455
Mattluca		430
angels4		417
Isaac		406
Alvis	New	402
mjmalino		389
ceemonstuh		383
Gobchopper		383
Optophobe		378
Pitchbl4ck		372
CookleDo		361
Acewyatt19		355
fidanzal		315
123bigboo		308
Mr Skip		279
suneloon		271
O'Hammill		243
cdawg		223
koolprince14		162
JasonP520		145
boomster9	Sleeping	126
srk	New	102
Kymarr	Sleeping	30
bossdaddy	New	15
mike	New	0

Removing sleepy Bears and new Bears gives us:

koolprince14		162
JasonP520		145

Neither has met the target. However Koolprince has been with the bears a loooooong time and has indicated that he has been busy, Guardian recommendation is therefore that Koolprince is given the choice to move to either Riverbears or Skybears. As for JasonP520 he has also proven to be a good member since his joining a few weeks ago, therefore again it is the guardian recommendation that Jason is asked to move to Riverbears or Icebears.

but wait .....

Although Mike is new there is no excuse, absolutely none whatsoever, for having donated 0, yes 0 troops! therefore get the catapult out unharness fluffy...... let the fun begin!!!!

Hello Bears. I will not be as active as i usually am this week. I will not meet the donation requirement. Should i leave the clan and rejoin later?

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Originally Posted by MrSkip

Hello Bears. I will not be as active as i usually am this week. I will not meet the donation requirement. Should i leave the clan and rejoin later?

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Hi MrSkip,

you can join the skybears. Mike is there.

SKAL!

Hello! This is Quasi. I'm posting here to inform and seek permission from my dear elder bears that I wish to travel to a friend's clan for a visit.

I have met my 200/wk for this week and I will return coming Monday.

Please let me know if its ok. Thank you!

QH

Greetings Bears, a heads up that I will be away for a few weeks and mostly out of internet range for that time. Should be leaving later this week. I will wander off to SkyBears for the duration, but will not be taking my sleeping furs with me as I wish to return and not lose my favorite sleeping spot. I should warn you that I have booby trapped them, so no funny business! (Who am I kidding?)

Eat hearty, drink merry and may Thor show no mercy to those you raid. (Oh, and can someone feed the cat while I'm gone? Thanks)

HAIL MIGHTY CAVEBEARS

Hey guys I'm thinking about joining im lvl 27 with 885 trophies and read through the rules. My IGN(in game name) is Sparticus. Im currently in a another clan so I'm iffy about joining, can you tell me a little more? You guys seem really dedicated so that a +1. I also have 2500 gem and 5 builders if that means anything:p.

Keep on pillaging/drinking mead/chucking people off cliffs with pillows/talking about axe throwing,
Farticus Sparticus

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Originally Posted by FarticusSparticus

Hey guys I'm thinking about joining im lvl 27 with 885 trophies and read through the rules. My IGN(in game name) is Sparticus. Im currently in a another clan so I'm iffy about joining, can you tell me a little more? You guys seem really dedicated so that a +1. I also have 2500 gem and 5 builders if that means anything:p.

Keep on pillaging/drinking mead/chucking people off cliffs with pillows/talking about axe throwing,
Farticus Sparticus

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We are Vikings. We steal and pillage and invade and fight each other in bloody bar-room brawls, plus we throw people off cliffs. What more do you need to know? :cool:

You have applied on the Cavebear thread. They may well not be accepting new members because they are nearly full. Try to join anyway, but you may be asked to join Riverbears or Icebears (sister clans)

mike$ (skybears)

Fellow bears!

Most of us have decided to serve THOR by "collecting" resources as fast as possible and thereby growing
our strength as fast as possible. We are not overly distracted by the false charms of high trophy count
and the misleading perception of stength that it creats amongst those weak in imagination.
(Most of us would likely have kicked Jorge Yao from his thrown if we had time for such nonsense or at least saw sufficient
return-on-invest ... I for example was just busy lately...Players whose name ends in "...The Great" might see that differntly)

However, we position ourselves in a "trophy range" that allows us to be matched with prey that offers us
a good "return on invest" in terms of resources available to us versus the amount of elix that we need to
deploy to the battlefield.

The cost of our armies is largely depending on the level of troops that our baracks produce and hence it is
observable that in parallel with our own personal evolution we need to attack prey that has a higher offering
in resources (often we assume a full wipe-out of the enemy, but sometimes sufficient resources in outer
collectors is just as good). Consequently there is a tendency that high level farmers choose higher level hunting grounds.
I for example am level 65 with lvl5 giant, brb, arch, wiz lvl 2 healer and my choice was 1300-1400.

The choices we make are mostly based on own experience and reports by fellow bears, about where we
can expect what kind of prey population.
I say that we can throw that historic knowledge over board, because our prey has changed their behaviour.
Most astonishingly our prey also follows some weird thought process to choose themselves a trophy range.
My hypothesis is that the new league system has created incentives for our prey to move up in trophies.
(arguably not much has materially changed, because the incremental gain in "league bonus" is low compared to the base loot,
but relevant for this argument is the prevailing interpretation of the situation amongst our prey)
Unfortunately I have no mathematical evidence.
My guess is that around 1200 trophies everyone is moving up by 100-200 cups.
... and consequently we would need to follow.

Any opinion on that?

C U Mayana
(chief advisor on axe throwing physics)

P.S. There is nothing wrong with seeking the fun in this game by trying to achieve maximum trophys
... this article is adressed to those that do not seek fun that way (probably "do not seek fun that way yet")

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Originally Posted by mayana70

Fellow bears!

My guess is that around 1200 trophies everyone is moving up by 100-200 cups.
... and consequently we would need to follow.

Any opinion on that?

C U Mayana
(chief advisor on axe throwing physics)

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I would advance the theory that Thor is testing us. The fact that these disgusting little scrubs are attempting to raise their trophy counts in order to gain a pitiful few extra shiny tokens and raspberry bubbles is nothing less than a way of Thor seeing if us Vikings are still sufficiently barbaric.

So the scrubs raise their trophy counts? What should we do?

BY THE GODS I WILL TELL YOU WHAT WE WILL DO!

IN THE NAME OF THOR! WE SHOULD DESTROY ALL THOSE WHO DARE TO RAISE THEIR TROPHY COUNTS WITHOUT OUR EXPRESS PERMISSION!

The revelation has come to me. As if by the direct voice of Thor Himself. It is our divine duty to lower the trophy counts of these scrubs, back down to more respectable levels (i.e. far below us).

Let us go forth, Viking Bears! Let us carry out our sacred work! Let us pilliage and steal and maim and burn, kill and loot! And so thus claim our undisputed right to be called barbaric!

...anyway, thats I how I see it. Yes, I know my theory lacks any empirical evidence, and certainly any experimentation with a control will be problematic. But who can doubt the word of Thor?

Hello fellow cave bears i was kicked not long ago without a reason:confused: plz tell me why you kicked me. The first few minutes i ever had with this clan were amazing everyone said welcome. I hope I can return to this epic clan.

Regards:D,
Sparticus

Last week one of our Elders (Koolprince), failed to meet the donation requirement, but more importantly did not flag with the Cave that there were real life issues which influenced this. Easy decision .. Kick him, BUT, Kool has been with the Clan since its inception and, rightly or wrongly, that makes a difference. So started a vigorous debate amongst the other Elders as to how to deal with this. Fortunately there are other Clans within the Bear Empire that have lower donation requirements and as Kool is often only just over the line in donations, we thought it best to ask him to move to one of the other clans. Over three days, Kool was asked to move on four separate ocassions via clan chat. He agreed to do so, but then stayed. We were left with no choice but to kick him.This decision was not arrived at easily, and it gave no one pleasure to be forced to kick a long standing Elder.


The Cave is strong because we all choose to abide by our own rules, no one is exempt from those rules, but sometimes the execution of those rules requires further debate and consideration of the 'big' picture.


Footnote: Kool is now in SkyBears and we wish him well.

The most important thing is the fact that there was vigorous debate. That the fate of just one member was of great importance. That people within Cavebears cared significantly about not just the process but also about the person concerned.

It is this type of commitment to our principles and to our people that makes our Bear Empire so strong.

This is why people join us and stay.

This is why we have expanded to a four clan Empire.

This is why we are unbeatable.

AND BY THE GODS WE SHALL CRUSH ALL THOSE WHO STAND IN OUR WAY!

HAIL THE MIGHTY CAVEBEARS!

HAIL THE MIGHTY BEAR EMPIRE!