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When you're close to being capped and upgrades cost 5 to 8 million each, the amount of resources generated by your village are basically negligible. Your mines and collectors are more or less worthless at that point. You could triple the amount of gold and elixir produced by a high end village and still not significantly change the game.
They make cost high and res low, so you buy gems, impatience is super cells bread and butter,
that being said you can farm 2 mil res per day so it's not all bad,
You do realise that most of us have a life?
I can farm an mil an hour.
of course, i don't play that much.
I looked at your base you're in no position to even know what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinser
You can definitely farm that at th9. The problem is, this is irrelevant to this post, lol. My post doesn't address farming/raiding. It addresses the fact that you may as well not even have a village at high levels since they don't do anything for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan2040
When talking about mines and collectors we are automatically talking about farming/raiding as well. The whole idea of mines and collectors is to bring gold and elixir into the game. Obviously you figured out that by doing one or two raids per day gets you the same or even more rescources than your mines and collectors get you. Hurray! The next step is to stop investing uour builder's time in mines and collectors and just max out your attack and then your defense. But if you want to help the community out; upgrade your mines and collectors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thevinegru
PS. this is the reason why I am level 81 with lvl 7/8 collectors and mines (7/8 at lvl 81 is considered very low)
I agree the collectors dont collect that much BUT farming is a part of the game, either that or gemming.
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Originally Posted by NarferBarfer
Im level 91 with elixir collectors level 7.
Why? Because you say so?Quote:
Originally Posted by NarferBarfer
Sorry but no....while raiding and collecting are tied together they are two separate things and I'm not addressing farming. This isn't really a difficult concept but hey, it's the Internet and people will argue with anything.
Human nature always amuses me. I read posts like this and it's just proof that certain people will simple throw up their hands and say, "that's life". I agree. The game mechanics are the game mechanics but the purpose of a forum like this is to suggest fixes.Quote:
Originally Posted by scanners107
If you're saying you're basically not even using mines and collectors, you're proving my point....
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Originally Posted by Thevinegru
OK, so mines collectively collect 360,000 per day; how much do you think they should collect instead?
They collect that much in theory. They don't actually collect that much in practice as we all know. I think it should be doubled at th8 and tripled at th9. This game would lose less people to attrition/boredom.Quote:
Originally Posted by scanners107
I don't, i think they should be buffed for TH6 and TH7, seeing as they get !"&£$"£'d the most.
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Originally Posted by Thevinegru
Agreed, which is why in my opinion we need level 12 collectors, AND collector production rates should go up as your trophy count does!
for example 1000 trophies: production rate of collectors X1.5
1500 trophies: X2, ect...
Eh mate I don't farm consecutively but I make a ton of loot a day when I get serious.... The army I use is great for elixir profits and I can get 8 mil in 2 days or something (only log on and off!)
Raiding/Farming isn't the issue. The issue is with the negligible amount of resources generated by your base. I find it amusing that people seem to be pathologically unable to separate these two things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gambit6
Not "because I say so" :p Because it's connected to eachother you have look at the relevancy of the one and the other. Raiding is of great relevancy when looking at collectors' and mines' production of rescources. The only thing we compare mines and collectors to is the amount of loot we get while raiding (if we would compare it to costs of buildings the game just wouldn't make sense anymore; there's be no more need for raiding, people would start to keep their shields more often and the amount of online enemies would greatlt drop). So I wouldn't be so quick about dismissing anything that has to do with raiding on this thread :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Thevinegru
Having said that, I too think the villages make a ridiculously low amount of rescources when not attacking. This just means only if you go a bit unactive for a while the mines and collectors will help you out; on the other hand, if you raid a lot you should invest in troops and defense only.. Unless, as I mentioned earlier, you want to help out the community.
I believe the minimization of the effects of the collectors is deliberate. It forces players to attack or gem, which, since this is CLASH of clans, it is important the people attack. If the collectors provided enough that we could all just sit back and still keep all the builders busy, it would be a pretty boring game. I believe the rollout of new troops and the heroes confirms that the game dynamic is shifting towards attacking. I get that the issue at hand isn't whether or not I can raid enough to upgrade but rather that we have enough resources generated in the first place, but, the dynamic of the game is like an energy pyramid.
*puts on lab coat and nerdy glasses*
The bottom layer, plants, are forced to rely on the sun for energy. There's lots of them....millions and combined they collect a lot of energy. They use some of the energy to live, but much is passed on to the next layer, the plant eaters. There are still a lot, but less than there are plants. They eat the plants, get a certain percentage of the energy, much of which they use for their own processes, but some is passed onto the next layer...the eaters of the plant eaters. These guys have to eat the plant eaters to survive. There are fewer of them because they are receiving only a fraction of the energy that the plan eaters got, which was only a fraction of what the plants had.
So, the new players and abandoned bases are the plants. They rely heavily on collectors to get enough for upgrades, and generate a lot of resources by sheer force of numbers. The mid level players, say th6 and 7 are the plant eaters. At this point, the upgrades are getting pricey...500k to about a mil each, and waiting on the collectors isn't going to cut it. They have to raid to keep going. Then we look at the th 8 and especially th 9, where relying on resources collected is impractical. They're like the top level of the pyramid. There aren't enough lower level of energy to support a ton of them, so only the strongest villages, those with the best troops, strategies for attacking, etc, are able to flourish. Competition at the level is fierce.
*hastily removes lab coat and glasses, storing them in a convenient cubby*
so, in order to keep the game competitive, they can't make more collected resources available at the top, because the pyramid would invert, and there would be too many people with maxed out bases and no one would play because it would be very very boring. Make sense?
talanai mad scientist extraordinaire
What you say makes part sense, but supercell adds updates to avoid players maxing their villages and getting bored the more people that are max the more that are likely to gem their next update to remain max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talanai
reading this thread with players saying they are level 91 with only level7 collectors tells me they are partly to blame for the lack of loot at the top of the game the main way any gold and elix get into the game is through someone's mine or pump.
lets take our level 91 player now I have no idea how long he has played as he may be Geming but level7 collectors produce 1,600 an hour you have 6 so he gets 230,400 elix a day the max is 432,000 for level 11 collectors a day so he has lost 201,600 of elix every day of elix production, he has lost a total 1,411,200 of gold and elix a week times that by 100,000 players that's 141 billion a week gold and elix not produced so lost to the game.
as he is not bothered he could have afforded to lose his 1.4 million a week to raids so he could have put 1.4mill extra into the game for other players, multiply this by the number of players over TH 6 in the game ( if any body knows how many downloads of the game has had world wide) its billions of gold and elix missing because player don't upgrade collectors. Maybe 3,000 billion based on 100,000 players over TH 6 lost since the start of the game due to players not upgrading their collectors just add a zero if its a million players 30,000 billion gold and elix. You only get ranked when you are around the top 250,000 players.
I agree more upgrades would help but players pulling their weight in the game would also help this is not a single player game we have clans to make it a community game if we all upgrade we all benefit. Don't be selfish upgrade your collectors.