how is damage from mortar calculated?

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Originally Posted by twister

I have to agree with you here. I'm struggling to think of an example in many years of gaming where a weapon that has discernible shots that have damage pre-identified were not annotated as per-shot.

Items like flame throwers, poison damage, freeze weapons, things of this nature without fail I have always seen identified as damage per second, or something like - xx damage on hit, then xx damage per second, etc.

Things that are "too fast" to have discernible shots - the x-bow for instance might be a candidate to be in per-second damage since it goes so fast. It does 50 dmg per second, best I can tell from replays, it's about 5 shots per second at 10 dmg each? I like seeing 50 per second versus 10 per shot.

I'm not even positive how the mortar does the damage, even with a number per second/per shot. Does it do x amount on the spot it lands, then a different xx amount 1 space out, and xx 2 spaces out? Or 3 squares of splash damage gets xx - or everything within it's splash zone gets the same 11 dmg per second (or 55 if it's really every 5 seconds).

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All damage in World of Warcraft is dps.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

All damage in World of Warcraft is dps.

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So could you please tell me why the F... you're talking about World of Warcraft on a CLASH OF CLANS FORUM!!? =_="

I think it is per second until it fires not how long it takes to hit the target I don't think supercell are that stupid?so if it fired and it took 5 seconds until it fired again then it charges for 5 secounds so it would be (a X 5) a being th damage it does but this is not accurate I don't know how long it takes to charge the mortar whether it be 5 secounds or 3 secounds the formulae is (ab) a= damage per secound b=how long it takes to charge the mortar.

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Originally Posted by Aayush

Okay so mortar damage is damage per second. Mortar attacks ever 5 seconds.
And mortar's bullet's speed is relatively slow right???
lets take a lv 5 mortar for example...

8dps X 5 = 40

So if there is a unit 4 tiles away from the mortar (mortar can attack it) its damage will 40.
And there is a unit 10 tiles away from mortar, just in it range, and it takes a second extra for the bullet to reach it.
DOES THAT MEAN ITS DAMAGE IS INCREASED TO 48???

IF IT DOES EQUAL 48 THEN THE DAMAGE PER SHOT THEORY DOESNT WORK AND IF IT IS STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE, THEN WHY THE F*** DOES SUPERCELL USES DAMAGE PER SECOND CAUSE IT IS NOT CORRECT AT ALL....

BTW vote to keep your clan troops after attack on facebook...

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I believe supercell use formulaes to work out damage and available loot in a battle becuase this just makes it a whole lot easier to do everything so if everything has damage per secound everything's formulae is (ab) it's that simple instead of saying that mortars damage per hit is... And cannons damage per hit is... it's just easier to work out dps and work out a formulae as dps is easier becuase most defences cannons,archer towers,air defence and teslas fire every 1 secound so math is the awnser to everything!(and science)! yes math and science can literally explain everything!

It appears to me that all the DPS system supporters eventually still has to take the listed damage and multiply it by the firing rate, which is 5 seconds per shot according to dahimi who had to jailbread the game the get the precise firing rate for mortars. Hence my point, using the DPS system, in order to find out the precise damage done by mortars, you still need to go an extra step to calculate. Lv1 mortar damage=4 dps X 5 s= 20. Then why not just list 20?

For the math wiz who can do basic arithmatics beautifully, you have completely missed the point. Nobody ever said it is impossible to calculate, the point is why uses dp second instead of dp shot in the first place. If when using dp second system eventually you still have to multiply it by the firing rate in order to get a true sense of the weapon's power, why not just simply give it.

Imagine for your car, instead of displaying your speed in terms of Km/Hr, it displays it in terms of momentum. Indeed you can use "basic math" to calculate your current speed after you "jailbreak" the user manual to find out the mass of your car. But do you really want to play it like this? Really?

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Originally Posted by Mitchluijks

So could you please tell me why the F... you're talking about World of Warcraft on a CLASH OF CLANS FORUM!!? =_="

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Apparently you can't read.

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Originally Posted by zxzxj

It appears to me that all the DPS system supporters eventually still has to take the listed damage and multiply it by the firing rate, which is 5 seconds per shot according to dahimi who had to jailbread the game the get the precise firing rate for mortars. Hence my point, using the DPS system, in order to find out the precise damage done by mortars, you still need to go an extra step to calculate. Lv1 mortar damage=4 dps X 5 s= 20. Then why not just list 20?

For the math wiz who can do basic arithmatics beautifully, you have completely missed the point. Nobody ever said it is impossible to calculate, the point is why uses dp second instead of dp shot in the first place. If when using dp second system eventually you still have to multiply it by the firing rate in order to get a true sense of the weapon's power, why not just simply give it.

Imagine for your car, instead of displaying your speed in terms of Km/Hr, it displays it in terms of momentum. Indeed you can use "basic math" to calculate your current speed after you "jailbreak" the user manual to find out the mass of your car. But do you really want to play it like this? Really?

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Because if you list damage per shot it gives a false assessment of the damage the weapon does over time. Listing a level 7 mortar as doing 55 damage is misleading when you compare it to a level 9 archer tower which does 56 damage per shot .

The reality is if you have a level 7 mortar firing at a level 1 giant, it's going to take the mortar 30 seconds to kill it. It'll take the archer tower 6 seconds to kill it.

The mortar's per target damage is much much much lower over time than an archer tower's per target damage. This difference isn't reflected with a per shot measurement.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Because if you list damage per shot it gives a false assessment of the damage the weapon does over time. Listing a level 7 mortar as doing 55 damage is misleading when you compare it to a level 9 archer tower which does 56 damage per shot .

The reality is if you have a level 7 mortar firing at a level 1 giant, it's going to take the mortar 30 seconds to kill it. It'll take the archer tower 6 seconds to kill it.

The mortar's per target damage is much much much lower over time than an archer tower's per target damage. This difference isn't reflected with a per shot measurement.

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For discrete output weapons, there is no "damge over time" concept. In fact, it is meaningless because I have no idea if next shot is going hit. So how am I gonna be able to get a correct perception of how much damage is actually being inflicted. All I need to know is if the shot hit my attacking units, how big a chunck are they going to be taken out. One shot, one damage, as simple as that.

Your comparison between mortar and archer tower is true but doesn't justify the dps system. Even when both mortar and archer towers have the same damage rating, everybody can see that mortar shoots much slower so of course it's gonna take much more time to kill the same unit. That is just common sense. Also, anyone who has any gaming experience should know that archer tower and mortar serve completely different purposes. One focus on single target, the other for crowd control. The one that's for crowd control surely is gonna be weak agaist single target. Again, common sense. This has nothing to do with which system to use.

Ok,this thread has now become rather pointless.

Can we all agree it would be better if slow-firing splash damage weapons like the mortar would be best served by having BOTH Damage Per Second and Damage per Shot data?

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Originally Posted by HBCA25

Ok,this thread has now become rather pointless.

Can we all agree it would be better if slow-firing splash damage weapons like the mortar would be best served by having BOTH Damage Per Second and Damage per Shot data?

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Redundant.

See, I have no problem with CoC using dps system. I can multiply. 4X5, 5X5...fine. I only see that the damage per shot system is better suited for weapons like mortar. So I'm just curious why supercell chose damage per second intead. But at the end of the day, it's their development. If they chose this, so be it. I'm still enjoying a free game, happy as duck in orange source.

I can see dahimi's point. I just don't agree with him.