how is damage from mortar calculated?

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Originally Posted by twister

I have to agree with you here. I'm struggling to think of an example in many years of gaming where a weapon that has discernible shots that have damage pre-identified were not annotated as per-shot.

Items like flame throwers, poison damage, freeze weapons, things of this nature without fail I have always seen identified as damage per second, or something like - xx damage on hit, then xx damage per second, etc.

Things that are "too fast" to have discernible shots - the x-bow for instance might be a candidate to be in per-second damage since it goes so fast. It does 50 dmg per second, best I can tell from replays, it's about 5 shots per second at 10 dmg each? I like seeing 50 per second versus 10 per shot.

I'm not even positive how the mortar does the damage, even with a number per second/per shot. Does it do x amount on the spot it lands, then a different xx amount 1 space out, and xx 2 spaces out? Or 3 squares of splash damage gets xx - or everything within it's splash zone gets the same 11 dmg per second (or 55 if it's really every 5 seconds).

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So basically it doesn't matter what the actual damage is, all we need to know is that the mortar kills archers, kills em good ;)

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Originally Posted by maciawa

And why it is so hard for you to understand the fact that it takes more than 1second for a mortar to fire 1 shot? indeed its 5 seconds to be exact.
by observation you can see:
with an archer lvl 5 has 40 hit points

a mortar lvl 4 (7 dps) hit the archer : 7x 5 seconds = 35 total damage . archer till alive
a mortar lvl 5 (8 dps) hit the archer : 8x 5 seconds = 40 total damage . bai bai archer.

then again, I dont know why SuperCell use the damage per second system instead of damage per shot. Clearly the other damage per shot would be easier for people to understand. But its how it is, live it it.

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+1
Good post

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Originally Posted by zxzxj

Can any body please explain how the damage from mortar is calculated? It can't simply be what it is stated in the in-game profile because a lv 1 mortar, which deals 4 pps damage, kills a group of lv 1 goblins with 2 or 3 direct hits, which at most should only be 12 points of damage.

Thx in advance.

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Don't confuse damage per second with damage per shot.

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Originally Posted by twister

I have to agree with you here. I'm struggling to think of an example in many years of gaming where a weapon that has discernible shots that have damage pre-identified were not annotated as per-shot.

Items like flame throwers, poison damage, freeze weapons, things of this nature without fail I have always seen identified as damage per second, or something like - xx damage on hit, then xx damage per second, etc.

Things that are "too fast" to have discernible shots - the x-bow for instance might be a candidate to be in per-second damage since it goes so fast. It does 50 dmg per second, best I can tell from replays, it's about 5 shots per second at 10 dmg each? I like seeing 50 per second versus 10 per shot.

I'm not even positive how the mortar does the damage, even with a number per second/per shot. Does it do x amount on the spot it lands, then a different xx amount 1 space out, and xx 2 spaces out? Or 3 squares of splash damage gets xx - or everything within it's splash zone gets the same 11 dmg per second (or 55 if it's really every 5 seconds).

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I don't have x-bow yet so I have no way to tell, but all other units save for the giants and mortars have firing rate close enough to 1 second for the difference between the two systems to be noticible (I have not clocked the firing rates, I'm just basing this on estimation). If the x-bow has such high firing rate, then I agree with you that a damage per second system is more applicable simple because the number of shots per second is too fast to be counted that it is similar to a continuous output unit.

I think COC is one the most well developed games so programmers should be some top notch software engineers. I'm sure there must be some good reasons that they chose this system. I just wonder what they are.

The issues of splash area size and how or whether if damage diminshes as a function of distance from impact center that you brought up are also unclear. But I think since during battle you really don't have precise control over your units, hence very difficult to place units in a specific formation to avoid maximum damage from mortars, splash area size spec is helpful but probably less important.

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Originally Posted by Mitchluijks

People who are thinking about damage per second of defend buildings are no-lifers. Don't be frustrated and re-calculating those things, it's a game! Be professional and deal with it and keep winning :confused:

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Thanks for the reply. I'm not frustrated, just curious. Yes it's just a game and I am enjoying it. Happy gaming!

DAMAGE


PER


SECOND


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PS: Hint it takes mortar roughly 5 seconds to fire
Check damage.... multiply by 5
Magic !!! only those who does not understand basic math dont get this mechanics

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Originally Posted by NorthBonbee

DAMAGE


PER


SECOND


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PS: Hint it takes mortar roughly 5 seconds to fire
Check damage.... multiply by 5
Magic !!! only those who does not understand basic math dont get this mechanics

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Do share how your "basic math" allows you to mutiply damage by roughly 5 seconde cuz the term "roughly" sounds really mathematical. Well at least in your "basic math" it does I guess.

Oh you dont even have any replay on your battle to check how long it takes for the mortar to fire, aw how sad no ones attaking you?If you know that DPS means DAMAGE PER SECOND you can simply compute it.



A THINKING PLAYERS SCENARIO::


Hmmm my lvl 4 mortar cant 1 shot a lvl 5archer that have 40hp but i see that everytime that a lvl 4 mortar where in have 7DPS always puts a lvl 5 archer into red life meaning a 40HP lvl 5 acher have few more life left when a 7DPS lvl 4 archer hits it


And by timing how many secs a mortar takes to release each shot you can deduce thatLvl 4 Mortar :7 damage times 5 secs equals only 35 damage per succesful hit

Hmm i need to upgrade my lvl 4 mortar itll add additional 1 DPS then..Additional 1 DPS X 5 secs equals additional 5 damage if i upgraded my mortar to lvl 5Hence a lvl 5 mortar will net you 40 damage per succesful hit

Wow then it means a lvl 5 mortar that have 40 damage ( 8DAMAGE PER SECOND that takes 5 secs to release each shot) will kill a 40 HP lvl 5 archer then ...Oh good thats easy all i need is try to use logic then and use SIMPLE MATH...


For you ill make it simple:
-Check replay
-Time how many secs a mortar shot takes
- Multiply by its damage
-Profit

Okay so mortar damage is damage per second. Mortar attacks ever 5 seconds.
And mortar's bullet's speed is relatively slow right???
lets take a lv 5 mortar for example...

8dps X 5 = 40

So if there is a unit 4 tiles away from the mortar (mortar can attack it) its damage will 40.
And there is a unit 10 tiles away from mortar, just in it range, and it takes a second extra for the bullet to reach it.
DOES THAT MEAN ITS DAMAGE IS INCREASED TO 48???

IF IT DOES EQUAL 48 THEN THE DAMAGE PER SHOT THEORY DOESNT WORK AND IF IT IS STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE, THEN WHY THE F*** DOES SUPERCELL USES DAMAGE PER SECOND CAUSE IT IS NOT CORRECT AT ALL....

BTW vote to keep your clan troops after attack on facebook...

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Originally Posted by Aayush

Okay so mortar damage is damage per second. Mortar attacks ever 5 seconds.
And mortar's bullet's speed is relatively slow right???
lets take a lv 5 mortar for example...

8dps X 5 = 40

So if there is a unit 4 tiles away from the mortar (mortar can attack it) its damage will 40.
And there is a unit 10 tiles away from mortar, just in it range, and it takes a second extra for the bullet to reach it.
DOES THAT MEAN ITS DAMAGE IS INCREASED TO 48???

IF IT DOES EQUAL 48 THEN THE DAMAGE PER SHOT THEORY DOESNT WORK AND IF IT IS STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE, THEN WHY THE F*** DOES SUPERCELL USES DAMAGE PER SECOND CAUSE IT IS NOT CORRECT AT ALL....

BTW vote to keep your clan troops after attack on facebook...

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The mortar fires every 5 seconds. Take the value listed for the dps and multiply it by 5. It's not that hard. Really it isn't.

Jailbreak your device. Look at the csv files. It fires once every 5 seconds.