Idea to solve the problem of people leaving during clan wars with unused attacks

I was thinking that there could be like a wait list of sorts for the rest of the clan that is not participating that is in effect once the clan war starts (ie:reserve attackers / substitutions). If someone leaves, the person at the top is allowed to attack but the person who left still has to defend. This would help solve the problem of having unused attacks at the end.

As a way to make sure clan leaders don't kick out members, don't allow reserve attackers to fill in for someone who was kicked. Also if someone is AFK for the 2 days for some reason, the clan leaders can substitute the person at the top of the list for someone who is not participating.

I totally agree. If players can't be stopped from deserting, a leader or co should be allowed to substitute someone else. Deserters are one of my biggest problems. It just makes for frustration and takes away from the fun of the game. Too many out there, I think, are deserting intentionally, or just don't have enough respect for others or the game itself. It shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Welcome to the forum. In the future please use the search function and contribute to an identical existing thread instead of starting a new identical thread. Your request gets posted a lot. Incentivizing staying could work except most people who hop between clans are doing so for GOOD reasons. You would be discouraging visiting friends and helping feeder/alliance clans. Self-quoting from one of the previous ones . . .

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Originally Posted by iceageg

You need to remember who you are complaining about here. Either the player leaving is leaving because you have a poor clan and/or poor leadership, or they are leaving because they have questionable moral integrity. For the sake of argument lets assume you are a wise and effective leader, so this must be one of those d-bags that hangs you out to dry. If you get your way and players are forced to stay or penalized for leaving . . . <fade to foreshadowed scene>

1) D-bag joins
2) You start war
3) D-bag wants to leave but can't (SUCCESS!!! He is stuck with you now!!!)
4) D-bag is a d-bag and wants out, so he decides to get kicked out
5) So he fills war castles with goblins and wallbreakers
6) And fills donations with goblins and wall breakers
7) And turns your clan chat into something that makes global look like bible study
8) And defames your clan on global
9) Then wastes both attacks in the war anyway
9a) Set their base up so it is super easy to 3*
10) And continues to fill war requests with ♥♥♥♥ troops
11) Maybe even comes to the forums to badmouth you and your clan
12) You kick them out
or
12) Your other clan members leave because you won't kick out the D-bag

Remember, this is already a person who doesn't care if they hurt your clan. Long story short, you are requesting a way to force people who don't want to be in your clan, who you don't even want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan. NOTHING good can come of this. Bad idea every time it is suggested.

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Also, in an effort to not only help the OP understand the horrible repercussions of their idea, here is a list of many of the most common things successful clans do to prevent "D-bag hoppers" from being a nuisance. Quoting myself from a recent thread again . . .

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Most people who switch between clans do it for very good, fruitful reasons. Since the game can't tell these players from your much maligned "hoppers" the majority of us would end up penalized because a few players don't want in your clan didn't want to be in your clan. The truly nefarious hoppers are usually very easy to spot and deal with. Players who are genuinely searching for a clan are simply part of the game, just like people searching for the right job are a part of real life. What you have hear is a clan management problem. One all of us have experienced and learned from. It has been discussed on the forum many times. Here's how most of us have solved this.

1) Set the clan to invite only.
2) Don't give elder to anybody who can't conduct themselves as an adult
3) Don't give Co-leader to anybody you don't trust
4) Make sure both elders and Co's understand that it is ok to accept new members
5) Make sure they understand they are expected to BOOT new members if
5a) They introduce themselves by asking for troops
5b) Introduce themselves with profanity
5c) Introduce themselves with some form of "rate my base!!!!"
5d) Don't respond when welcomed
5e) Ask for elder/Co in the first conversation
5f) Start filling castles with ♥♥♥♥
6) Clan rule that new members don't participate in the first war (Opted out by leader/co)
7) Only recruit 1-2 new players between each war, none during

Others may chime in with additional ideas but those are the basic ones. Follow those and hoppers will end 99% instantly. Not to mention you will crack a smile when you apply your boots to their crack.

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Originally Posted by Sithier

I was thinking that there could be like a wait list of sorts for the rest of the clan that is not participating that is in effect once the clan war starts (ie:reserve attackers / substitutions). If someone leaves, the person at the top is allowed to attack but the person who left still has to defend. This would help solve the problem of having unused attacks at the end.

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The most obvious problem I see with this is what happens when a TH7 leaves, and a TH10 is next in the 'queue'? You think it would be fair that the 'designated hitter' for the missing TH7 is now a TH10 with max troops?

Honestly, the only thing needed to counter this issue is good clan management. You get out what you put in. Cultivate good players, and only take players into war who you know are loyal and won't leave. If you are scouring global for the last few members to top off war, this is going to happen. My clan has 50 members, we war with usually 30 or 35, with the rest either being players on break, upgrading, or new players we haven't tested in war. If those new players give donations and remain active for a few days, we phase a few into the war. Haven't had anyone leave during war in months, and the last 5 wars we've had full attacks from all participants.

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Originally Posted by Cutty2k

The most obvious problem I see with this is what happens when a TH7 leaves, and a TH10 is next in the 'queue'? You think it would be fair that the 'designated hitter' for the missing TH7 is now a TH10 with max troops?

Honestly, the only thing needed to counter this issue is good clan management. You get out what you put in. Cultivate good players, and only take players into war who you know are loyal and won't leave. If you are scouring global for the last few members to top off war, this is going to happen. My clan has 50 members, we war with usually 30 or 35, with the rest either being players on break, upgrading, or new players we haven't tested in war. If those new players give donations and remain active for a few days, we phase a few into the war. Haven't had anyone leave during war in months, and the last 5 wars we've had full attacks from all participants.

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Nice necro on an ancient thread.

Let this thread die in peace please.

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Originally Posted by Callywally

Nice necro on an ancient thread.

Let this thread die in peace please.

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Please and thank you.

I found the thread a few slots down on the second page of the sub-forum. Hardly buried. If you both want it to die, then why bump it twice?

Are you mods? No? Ok then, move on...

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Originally Posted by Callywally

Nice necro on an ancient thread.

Let this thread die in peace please.

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Hugely funny that people constantly say to search for a previous thread and post your take on the whole idea that way. Then someone does and gets trolled for doing it? Need to make up your mind folks. Either deal with an old thread being opened or deal with the old one.

Only reason son an old thread should not be opened is if the person is just bumping it for the sake of boredom. If an actual idea is presented on the thread then it should be added and examined

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Originally Posted by Rahle

Hugely funny that people constantly say to search for a previous thread and post your take on the whole idea that way. Then someone does and gets trolled for doing it? Need to make up your mind folks. Either deal with an old thread being opened or deal with the old one.

Only reason an old thread should not be opened is if the person is just bumping it for the sake of boredom. If an actual idea is presented on the thread then it should be added and examined

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Right? Every forum I ever go to, always a self-appointed Necro Post Enforcement Agent somewhere. I interpret the 'spirit' of necroposts as you do....if a shameless bump or a comment on a thread so old the very issue being discussed is no longer relevant, then it's a bad thing. If it's simply expanding or contributing to a relevant discussion, then what's the big deal? It's not like these forums are INSANELY active and posts are getting buried....

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Originally Posted by Cutty2k

Right? Every forum I ever go to, always a self-appointed Necro Post Enforcement Agent somewhere. I interpret the 'spirit' of necroposts as you do....if a shameless bump or a comment on a thread so old the very issue being discussed is no longer relevant, then it's a bad thing. If it's simply expanding or contributing to a relevant discussion, then what's the big deal? It's not like these forums are INSANELY active and posts are getting buried....

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It all started a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.....wait.. No it didn't....

Once upon a time there were a lot of experienced forumers. These forumers eventually left, and new guys joined. These new guys created threads about stuff that was on the first page, ruled out, or commonly requested. The newbies also necro bumped.

Long story short, ever since about 6 months ago, all the forumers have just had enough. Hence the reason why we get mad easily at the current time. I mean seriously, we see 15 ruled out threads every hour...