Sometimes I wonder.. has the Offensive skill of the general CoC Population gone down?

And I'm not just saying the population in the forum, but I meant the coc population as a whole in general.

You see more and more thread showing off their bases with fantastic battle logs..

And yes, majority of them at 1000~1400 region.

Is it due to the introduction of the new wall breakers ?
In which a portion of the coc population didn't bother checking forum to even learn how to use the new wall breakers, leading to the weakening of their offensive ability.

Even I myself find more attacks that just SPAM all their wall breakers in one shot, maybe cause they don't know how to use them at all ?

Here are 2 of such threads in the past 12 hours
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ed-on-Teresa-s
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ase-with-proof

Those are average bases, but you can see for yourself the battle logs.

And recently, I'm finding more and more abandoned bases.
Not that its a bad thing since it means better loot for us farmers.

But makes me think that apart from the forum coc population, the general coc population do not know how to effectively use the new wb, thus lowering their offensive ability.

Not really drawing much conclusion, but just something that I've picked up, open for discussion.

I found it tough at first to adapt, but once you figure out the new way WBs work, (almost) any TH8 base is breakable. I hesitate to say TH9 because maxed TH9s still give me alot of trouble (lvl 5 troops).

In my opinion it is all about adapting to the new WBs and learning the new method to attack. I agree that those that do not know about the new WBs will definitely continue to struggle until they learn how they now work.

It could be something a bit deeper than the new WBs. Maybe the older players who have the patience to wait for something to level up or who has the money to gem things are dying off leaving more younger players who have no patience and no money. These younger players having no patience to learn the fine intricacies of playing CoC are losing more of their battles than winning them. Me? I'm just old and cheap but have plenty of patience to wait...and wait...and wait...

Firing all one's walk breakers at once is actually extremely effective against many base types with the current AI. They do a fairly good job of splitting off to nearby junctions after the first wall blows with a minimum of attrition loss to defenses and a faster entry to the base you're attacking. I'd go so far as to suggest that people who aren't deploying this way on candidate bases are the ones behind on the wb learning curve. ;). This wasn't viable with the old wb AI but a spam deployment is very much viable with the current AI.

But I've posted previously I do think it dumbs down the game. That's a good thing for new players as it lowers barriers to entry, but it's a bad thing on the back end as it makes the endgame less interesting.

Very much hoping they find a way to add some complexity back both to army deployment and base design with their next update.

I really blame the trend of players leaving their th outside getting free shield then never get the chance to watch replay to learn what works and what doesn't. How many people figure out how Wb worked on first day? Most were complaining about not enough attacks on their base, instead of going out of their way to experiment with Wb like junliang and few others.

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

Firing all one's walk breakers at once is actually extremely effective against many base types with the current AI. They do a fairly good job of splitting off to nearby junctions after the first wall blows with a minimum of attrition loss to defenses and a faster entry to the base you're attacking. I'd go so far as to suggest that people who aren't deploying this way on candidate bases are the ones behind on the wb learning curve. ;). This wasn't viable with the old wb AI but a spam deployment is very much viable with the current AI.

But I've posted previously I do think it dumbs down the game. That's a good thing for new players as it lowers barriers to entry, but it's a bad thing on the back end as it makes the endgame less interesting.

Very much hoping they find a way to add some complexity back both to army deployment and base design with their next update.

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I do agree that the new AI seems to be dumb'ing down the game. However, I think it will get a bit more interesting once we've figured out how to abuse it, like we did with the old one. :o

As for the original question, I think the reason why there seems to be an increasing number "bad" players right now is because of the new WB AI. A lot of players still don't fully understand the AI and just choose to stop using them, yielding in less effective attacks.

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Originally Posted by JTHIB

I found it tough at first to adapt, but once you figure out the new way WBs work, (almost) any TH8 base is breakable. I hesitate to say TH9 because maxed TH9s still give me alot of trouble (lvl 5 troops).

In my opinion it is all about adapting to the new WBs and learning the new method to attack. I agree that those that do not know about the new WBs will definitely continue to struggle until they learn how they now work.

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Hm, I think you meant lvl 6 troops ?

I agree with the learning curve.. really takes practise and getting familiar with the new behavior, not something a leisure player can pick up in a few battles.

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Originally Posted by babblefish

It could be something a bit deeper than the new WBs. Maybe the older players who have the patience to wait for something to level up or who has the money to gem things are dying off leaving more younger players who have no patience and no money. These younger players having no patience to learn the fine intricacies of playing CoC are losing more of their battles than winning them. Me? I'm just old and cheap but have plenty of patience to wait...and wait...and wait...

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Hm, maybe. Like the heroes update, where "many" rich and trophy hunters declare that it was game over for them as they didnt like the path supercell was approaching..
Same, its a game to me, no pressure, not too dumb a game either to learn and have fun with.
I intend to play this game for a long time too.

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

Firing all one's walk breakers at once is actually extremely effective against many base types with the current AI. They do a fairly good job of splitting off to nearby junctions after the first wall blows with a minimum of attrition loss to defenses and a faster entry to the base you're attacking.

But I've posted previously I do think it dumbs down the game. That's a good thing for new players as it lowers barriers to entry, but it's a bad thing on the back end as it makes the endgame less interesting.

Very much hoping they find a way to add some complexity back both to army deployment and base design with their next update.

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Agreed regarding firing all wall breakers at once, since for some bases, it allows them to bypass certain decoy as their "current position" is able to pin point a better path to their resource storages.. which is why segmentation is so important now.

We all thought that it will dumb down the game, as supercell's sneak preview of the new wall breaker seems wayyyy too easy to use as we thought it targets junction easily. But now ? I still think there is a relatively steep learning curve, rather than being easy.

It restricts us defensively definitely.
But offensively, it restricts a certain type of army composition, allowing certain army composition to have an advantage over the others. Personally, I find the change beneficial for my army composition and attacking strategy.

I guess the impact of the new wb varies with army composition + attacking strategy/pattern.

Actually, I've been losing a lot of trophies (don't really care) raiding bases just to see how the new WB AI reacts in different situations. I've also been playing around with the barbs for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by Pingfao

I do agree that the new AI seems to be dumb'ing down the game. However, I think it will get a bit more interesting once we've figured out how to abuse it, like we did with the old one. :o

As for the original question, I think the reason why there seems to be an increasing number "bad" players right now is because of the new WB AI. A lot of players still don't fully understand the AI and just choose to stop using them, yielding in less effective attacks.

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The only way I can stop wall readers from destroying me is a lot of boxed.... But this one is gonna take a lot longer to abuse ....
well there are an increasing number of noobs and attacks in COC so we pros and experts should take advantage of it :)... People don't like the wall breakers 2 space so they probably changed army composition....

No, I wouldn't say so. I find the attacks to be about the same against me, and I think the general consensus amongst my clan is about the same.

The large loots, epic failures, etc, etc, seem to be the same. There does seem to be a sporadic wave of dead accounts here and there, but who knows.

Over time, I had always conjectured that over the months, more players would find these forums, and learn about various strategies, glitches, etc... but I'm always surprised at how many new and old players never find their way here.

Long winded way of saying, no, it seems about the same level of "offensive skill" over the past 6-8 months I've seen. People have learned to adapt to various new toys and troops, as expected. There will be skeptics, whiners, and clingers-to-the-past, but by and by, the community adapts.


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