GRAVES! Read Plz !

Now we all know that when a troop dies in battle, their is a grave which gets you 20 elixir per grave, now I was thinking that how about we change that, the way that this could be done is simple and easy what would happen is that every time someone attacked you and a troop died they would 10 percent of that troops cost. Why have this you may ask, while I myself am a attacking player my best friend and leader of my clan is a defense kind of player , it kind of seems unfair to me that people upgrade their defenses and spend a lot of resources and then only to protect the resources they have is all they got which is great but they should get an income from this. So instead of adding the popular let's give a loot bonus to a defenders victory why can't we just have this. So if your defense destroy a good army and win they not only win but get a small profit from it 10 percent of cost of opposing players army, and that does include spells as well and dark troops, but you only get this bonus if u destroy the troop not if the battle ends and some troops still left. So my solution to help more defensive players is this what troops they destroy they get 10 percent of that troops cost by of course clearing the graves that are made if they haven't killed the troop then they get the 20 elixir, that we have now.

Would love to hear Some Reply Guy's Thanks and Also Vote in the poll please thanks, I need to know what the community thinks!

Add on*-This would be better than the defense loot bonus since a farmer could just attack the base and the defense could get loot, with this your defense needs to earn it itself, providing for a better system with the graves idea. Oh yeah its much more simple to do then a loot bonus, and its fair!

Add on*- Graves could programmed to be moved so if troop dies on building can still got loot also you could add a skeleton on the building to show the troop has died like the grave.

I see a lot of reads and views, and some positive feedback from the polls, but I still want to here what you think and how we can make this better thx for any help and comments!

Great idea! I would love to see that in the next update.

I am a defensive player myself and would live this. Many people live off of attacking and this would give more reason to upgrade your walls and defenses in the game

Good idea, but the defenders would not get any gold from the grave stone which is more valuable to me than elixir and what happens if the troops are destroyed over a building? The grave stone would not appear so would you still get the loot bonus?

Good idea . needs tweak . nice idea overall . walls become more specifically needed .

As a dominantly defensive player I really love this idea. I've been attacked by some monster armies and have done well. This would help my base. Plus the xbows eat up any elixar gained from graves and then some.

You have some good points in there but I think it would be simple and fair enough to give out the league bonus to won defences as with won attacks, shouldn't be too hard to implement and actually I think the one who won a real defence deserves the leage bonus most :) bit the problem with my idea is that too many people drops trophies very often and too many people would try to abuse it^^

Guess ur idea is a little better thereby but we could have the league bonus as a gain by won defences at 25-49%?

The only issue with this is, you only get graves if those troops were to be killed on a tile that's not occupied by anything (traps, defenses, walls, etc.)

Usually the only troops that are getting killed off, and in it's place is a gravestone, are barbarians, archers, goblins, which technically you are already getting the 10% (by this rule you're actually getting 20% off goblins and barbs).

Not exactly sure how you would implement a 10% bonus off of spells, even in mythological lore, spells dissipate on use so...yeah.

It's not a bad idea, I see where you're going, I do agree that successful defenses should yield more than just a lot of trophies.

Only problem is loopholes, and most or some of what you stated is kind of already in effect.

I think this is a really gd idea and can see the logic behind it.

Most of players have much more elixir than gold and do not need elixir. If your defenses win you must be rewarded with gold.

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Originally Posted by Venatoreo

The only issue with this is, you only get graves if those troops were to be killed on a tile that's not occupied by anything (traps, defenses, walls, etc.)

Usually the only troops that are getting killed off, and in it's place is a gravestone, are barbarians, archers, goblins, which technically you are already getting the 10% (by this rule you're actually getting 20% off goblins and barbs).

Not exactly sure how you would implement a 10% bonus off of spells, even in mythological lore, spells dissipate on use so...yeah.

It's not a bad idea, I see where you're going, I do agree that successful defenses should yield more than just a lot of trophies.

Only problem is loopholes, and most or some of what you stated is kind of already in effect.

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I agree with this reply the most.

I meant this to be broad as possible and create some discussion, if we can tweak this up a bit I think we are fine, overall as long as most people are getting the concept that's good the percentage and how it would be done is a different story, and oh yeah you got to remember many people had different ideas on clan wars but eventually Supercell say, the need and made their own it doesn't matter how this gets done even though i prefer my own and the community's ideas not Supercell all it matters is that it can get done! So continue with your suggestions and let's improve this idea, I will take everything I have heard and will post a response on this thread as what I think we can change to make this better, again thanks for the support.

Not sure if Supercell would go for this. 'Defensive' players don't usually spend a lot of gems and this would just further enable you to live off of your collectors.

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Originally Posted by corporatetool

Not sure if Supercell would go for this. 'Defensive' players don't usually spend a lot of gems and this would just further enable you to live off of your collectors.

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You are never supposed to live on your collectors, they are supplemental source of income and at best like a nice boost but should never be your main or heck in my opionion 1/3rd on your income you get, so I don't think you can just live off your collecotors also, Supercell's got nothing to lose and would like this, they already making a lot of money but if this was added it wouldn't change the game a lot because it would be a small but nice loot i said 10 percent for the training cost of the troop that died so it wouldnt be an issue, in my opinion.

that'd be cool, but it's a little too complex for such a small feature.

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Originally Posted by EvCal10

that'd be cool, but it's a little too complex for such a small feature.

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It really doesnt seem complex to me, its a small fix that could help the game a lot in my opinion.

I see one concern that has gotten repeated, the gold is more important than elixir right now or the building one, now my thinking behind this was that it would be an easy 10 percent of but many of you are bringing up valid points, In regards to the buidling issue you can just program the system so that the grave will go right next to the building or better yet not have a grave on it but have some sort of skeleton the building so you don't need to program the grave to move away from building. Now about the gold issue maybe what we could have is a way that depending on what troop it is you get gold or elixir, so like goblins you would get gold lets say and archers elixir but overall I think that we shouldn't add the gold part but if my idea about depends on troop is what resource you get is good please tell me, I do think though that we could just make the graves move over or have skeletons on the buildings to represent the troops who died.

I like this idea in general, but I think it should only apply to troops that are killed by bomb traps.

This would give incentive to use them in a way that maximizes return. It also gives incentive to upgrade and re-arm traps.

Why not give 50% elixer bonus for any troops killed with traps ?

The gravestones would appear in the location of the exploded trap. The one gravestone would represent all of the elixer you won from the successful trap kills.

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Originally Posted by kelu

I like this idea in general, but I think it should only apply to troops that are killed by bomb traps.

This would give incentive to use them in a way that maximizes return. It also gives incentive to upgrade and re-arm traps.

Why not give 50% elixer bonus for any troops killed with traps ?

The gravestones would appear in the location of the exploded trap. The one gravestone would represent all of the elixer you won from the successful trap kills.

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I like the add on, maybe keep my idea but add on yours that if its killed by trap you actually get 25 percent of elixir cost, not 50 its way too much.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

I like the add on, maybe keep my idea but add on yours that if its killed by trap you actually get 25 percent of elixir cost, not 50 its way too much.

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Thing is, if an air trap kills a dragon, that's a big deal. Why isn't it right to give them 50% ?

I know that alot of people want to see loot bonus for a good defense, and I do think that is a good idea.

However, my goal in suggesting such a high amount is that it gives more value to traps and being wise with how you
place them.

Whereas giving a bonus just for defending... Who knows whether you did something deserving of that bonus ? The attacker might have been a clown. So you got a bonus for the other guy being a complete clown.

+1 for me :)

thank you!!

General concept is good, but this would lead into a dark elixer infusion (hogs valks and golems would give a lot). Also, most people are swimming in elixer, so it wouldn't be very helpful to them. IMHO, it would be a waste of SC's time.

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Originally Posted by Siddmaster

General concept is good, but this would lead into a dark elixer infusion (hogs valks and golems would give a lot). Also, most people are swimming in elixer, so it wouldn't be very helpful to them. IMHO, it would be a waste of SC's time.

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First of all what level are you, I am 59 but almost 60, and got town hall lvl 8 and are sub 200 farming, and swimming with elixir lol, it was so tough to get to 2.5 million to get those lvl 5 wiz that i am upgrading, it took me a while even with hardcore farming, second off why would it be a waste of SC time, heck i can give you tons more examples that they have done that's a waste of time, this isn't literally all you have to do is, change value from what you get from graves not a big change, and again and all of us are swimming with elixir, maybe you really high lvl but here in town hall lvl 8 and lvl 60 land we ain't swimming its a scarcity done here, and I don't see why they couldn't add this easy fix and would help a lot, and the people who want loot bonus for defense should realize this is better since their is a little thing called farmers and I am proudly one of them that will just lose trophies on purpose giving free loot bonus this would require the defenses to destroy them and making them fair, much better alternative then loot bonus for defense, and its an easy fix.

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Originally Posted by kelu

Thing is, if an air trap kills a dragon, that's a big deal. Why isn't it right to give them 50% ?

I know that alot of people want to see loot bonus for a good defense, and I do think that is a good idea.

However, my goal in suggesting such a high amount is that it gives more value to traps and being wise with how you
place them.

Whereas giving a bonus just for defending... Who knows whether you did something deserving of that bonus ? The attacker might have been a clown. So you got a bonus for the other guy being a complete clown.

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I honestly really don't like the idea of loot bonus for defense so when i saw support rising for it i knew i had to do something that's where the graves idea came in place took something worthless and made it to something useful, and i agree with your assessment but loot bonus for defense and i don't want to give them 50 percent because it seems to high i think 25 is better personally for troops, and 10 percent for regular defense killing the troop.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

First of all what level are you, I am 59 but almost 60, and got town hall lvl 8 and are sub 200 farming, and swimming with elixir lol, it was so tough to get to 2.5 million to get those lvl 5 wiz that i am upgrading, it took me a while even with hardcore farming, second off why would it be a waste of SC time, heck i can give you tons more examples that they have done that's a waste of time, this isn't literally all you have to do is, change value from what you get from graves not a big change, and again and all of us are swimming with elixir, maybe you really high lvl but here in town hall lvl 8 and lvl 60 land we ain't swimming its a scarcity done here, and I don't see why they couldn't add this easy fix and would help a lot, and the people who want loot bonus for defense should realize this is better since their is a little thing called farmers and I am proudly one of them that will just lose trophies on purpose giving free loot bonus this would require the defenses to destroy them and making them fair, much better alternative then loot bonus for defense, and its an easy fix.

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I am a TH8 level 72. Got like 5 levels from donations :rolleyes: also SC has already increased the loot in the game lately, I like the loot as it currently is. Loot is meant to be tough to get, also, so getting 5,000 elixer from one pekka would sorta make way too much loot. You may ask my "why? It's only 5,000 elixir." well, multiply that by however many people use bulky troops, and that's a lot. Try and see my logic.
Also, we need an official response to this, so we can see where the mods stand on this.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

I honestly really don't like the idea of loot bonus for defense so when i saw support rising for it i knew i had to do something that's where the graves idea came in place took something worthless and made it to something useful, and i agree with your assessment but loot bonus for defense and i don't want to give them 50 percent because it seems to high i think 25 is better personally for troops, and 10 percent for regular defense killing the troop.

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I don't see it as high, because it's not going to happen every time.... and you have to do it via traps. If you don't rearm your traps, then you ain't getting those bonuses. That's the point is that is that it's a strategy that is gaining you your bonus, not just simply a successful defense.

Also, I think you might be thinking there'd be as many gravestones as there are currently. Those gravestones are generated by other deaths than just traps. So you can't evaluate what I am saying based on that.

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Originally Posted by kelu

I don't see it as high, because it's not going to happen every time.... and you have to do it via traps. If you don't rearm your traps, then you ain't getting those bonuses. That's the point is that is that it's a strategy that is gaining you your bonus, not just simply a successful defense.

Also, I think you might be thinking there'd be as many gravestones as there are currently. Those gravestones are generated by other deaths than just traps. So you can't evaluate what I am saying based on that.

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Originally Posted by Siddmaster

I am a TH8 level 72. Got like 5 levels from donations :rolleyes: also SC has already increased the loot in the game lately, I like the loot as it currently is. Loot is meant to be tough to get, also, so getting 5,000 elixer from one pekka would sorta make way too much loot. You may ask my "why? It's only 5,000 elixir." well, multiply that by however many people use bulky troops, and that's a lot. Try and see my logic.
Also, we need an official response to this, so we can see where the mods stand on this.

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It's kind of funny actually with both your responses both are on opposite sides one thinks my loot to much and one doesn't think it's high enough, In regards to kelu I don't mean this to be a huge source of income its supposed to be a nice supplement at best. And to answer Siddmaster, I am truly honored that you think this could get an official response you are an enthusiast and I know that you know your way around here and thanks for the view but, again 10 percent doesn't seem much and if you had to pick between having a loot bonus for defense and the graves idea which one would you pick? Me clearly the graves it rewards you for a good defense and not just same for all, and also it is meant to be supplemental not a huge source of elixir but supposed to be something, and having it at 20 right now is not the answer, and again does 10 percent really seem that much it isn't like kelu's idea with 50 which is way to high even though I agree with him that if a troop dies from a trap not regular defense it should be higher so liek 25 percent. Both your concerns are good and have good points but I think that both you to extreme in your sides and I think that me, I am the balance the scale.

Seems very reasonable but maybe heros drop something also.

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Originally Posted by Zmando

Seems very reasonable but maybe heros drop something also.

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Thanks for the input I do think that heros could maybe drop little bit of everything i guess idk never thought about heros actually, guess that's something I will consider again thx for the idea I would love it even more if you could give me a suggestion about heros.

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Originally Posted by elvinas

Most of players have much more elixir than gold and do not need elixir. If your defenses win you must be rewarded with gold.

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But their is a problem this is supposed to be elxir, I know that for many gold is more important but if the troop dies it wouldn't make sense if u got gold, i get your point but it just wouldn't make sense that if the troop dies you get gold and not what you need to make it exlir.

Great idea but needs tweaking. I never really thought about graves all I did was click on them to get them out of the way but if this happened in the next update I would start caring about games and defense

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Originally Posted by Theblob123

Great idea but needs tweaking. I never really thought about graves all I did was click on them to get them out of the way but if this happened in the next update I would start caring about games and defense

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Well that's the point and thanks for getting it, I specifically designed this so that its generic and people can tweak it but as long as people keep supporting the concept and keep pushing this we can get this done.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

It's kind of funny actually with both your responses both are on opposite sides one thinks my loot to much and one doesn't think it's high enough, In regards to kelu I don't mean this to be a huge source of income its supposed to be a nice supplement at best. And to answer Siddmaster, I am truly honored that you think this could get an official response you are an enthusiast and I know that you know your way around here and thanks for the view but, again 10 percent doesn't seem much and if you had to pick between having a loot bonus for defense and the graves idea which one would you pick? Me clearly the graves it rewards you for a good defense and not just same for all, and also it is meant to be supplemental not a huge source of elixir but supposed to be something, and having it at 20 right now is not the answer, and again does 10 percent really seem that much it isn't like kelu's idea with 50 which is way to high even though I agree with him that if a troop dies from a trap not regular defense it should be higher so liek 25 percent. Both your concerns are good and have good points but I think that both you to extreme in your sides and I think that me, I am the balance the scale.

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I don't see me saying that it should be 25% makes it a "huge source of income", which is why I think you are mischaracterizing or maybe misunderstanding how it works as a whole.

If it happened as frequently as it currently does, then yes.... I could see your point. But you have to realize that it's ONLY troops that are killed by bombs that I am talking about. Not just "damaged", but "killed". Therefore you'd have less gravestones, but when they were there.... They'd be worth more.

All that to say that what I am proposing would likely yield overall same or even less than what you are proposing. But the difference is that my bonuses only happen if you are utilizing good strategy with your bomb/traps so that they are a major factor in your defense. You are just saying it should be for anyone who ends up a gravestone, which is far more gravestones than my idea would involve. Your way keeps gravestones as just something that happens and no specific strategy that gets used to obtain them.

So, I don't think your comments regarding what I have proposed is accurate for these reasons.

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Originally Posted by kelu

I don't see me saying that it should be 25% makes it a "huge source of income", which is why I think you are mischaracterizing or maybe misunderstanding how it works as a whole.

If it happened as frequently as it currently does, then yes.... I could see your point. But you have to realize that it's ONLY troops that are killed by bombs that I am talking about. Not just "damaged", but "killed". Therefore you'd have less gravestones, but when they were there.... They'd be worth more.

All that to say that what I am proposing would likely yield overall same or even less than what you are proposing. But the difference is that my bonuses only happen if you are utilizing good strategy with your bomb/traps so that they are a major factor in your defense. You are just saying it should be for anyone who ends up a gravestone, which is far more gravestones than my idea would involve. Your way keeps gravestones as just something that happens and no specific strategy that gets used to obtain them.

So, I don't think your comments regarding what I have proposed is accurate for these reasons.

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See what my idea was that to have my 10 percent for all troops but also have 25 percent for troops dying from traps, I said that early you can check in all I must of misunderstood I thought you were saying about 50 percent for everything, if its just trap then we should 25 percent for trap related death and 10 percent for non trap related agreed?

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Originally Posted by Superraven

See what my idea was that to have my 10 percent for all troops but also have 25 percent for troops dying from traps, I said that early you can check in all I must of misunderstood I thought you were saying about 50 percent for everything, if its just trap then we should 25 percent for trap related death and 10 percent for non trap related agreed?

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Sorry I meant 50%. It's not too high. It's not something that would frequently happen, and when it did.... It would be based on strategy.

The non-trap related, I don't think should happen at all. I think it's fine, but don't see why it should be 10% when it just happens and isn't something that someone does strategically to get it.

My approach is about making strategy something that gets rewarded. But again.. I think it'd be pretty rare, and therefore should be 50%. It also gives more incentive to arm traps and use wisely.

However, I'd say the % isn't as important to what I am saying, as the rewarding of strategy instead of just a bunch of random gravestones I get more from than before.

I hope that supercell puts this into the next update because only 20 elixir isn't a whole lot for killing a pekka or dragon.

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Originally Posted by kelu

Sorry I meant 50%. It's not too high. It's not something that would frequently happen, and when it did.... It would be based on strategy.

The non-trap related, I don't think should happen at all. I think it's fine, but don't see why it should be 10% when it just happens and isn't something that someone does strategically to get it.

My approach is about making strategy something that gets rewarded. But again.. I think it'd be pretty rare, and therefore should be 50%. It also gives more incentive to arm traps and use wisely.

However, I'd say the % isn't as important to what I am saying, as the rewarding of strategy instead of just a bunch of random gravestones I get more from than before.

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See if we just your idea it wouldn't really change the game, as you said it would rarely happen so it wouldn't be something that would help. Mine would and you said getting it not strategically, what? If any idea isn't strategically its yours because troops move randomly and its some skill and some luck with yours, with mine its if you kill the troop you get the 10 percent, which requires thinking in where to put your defenses, also I didn't say yours was bad it would be nice I said if you get 25 percent if it was killed by a trap, I think your idea isn't good by itself and is just an add on to mine.

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Originally Posted by Hannibal9

I hope that supercell puts this into the next update because only 20 elixir isn't a whole lot for killing a pekka or dragon.

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You get it thanks man, se I always wondered why get same amount for killing a goblin and a dragon didn't make sense, this solves that and I see really no drawbacks to it.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

See if we just your idea it wouldn't really change the game, as you said it would rarely happen so it wouldn't be something that would help. Mine would and you said getting it not strategically, what? If any idea isn't strategically its yours because troops move randomly and its some skill and some luck with yours, with mine its if you kill the troop you get the 10 percent, which requires thinking in where to put your defenses, also I didn't say yours was bad it would be nice I said if you get 25 percent if it was killed by a trap, I think your idea isn't good by itself and is just an add on to mine.

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How exactly would rewarding someone for great trap usage not "change the game" ?

Right now, it's just a smattering of elixer that EVERYONE gets regardless of whether they did something good or not.

Placing a bomb or trap in a location where it's likely to kill a dragon, hogrider etc... is indeed strategic. You have completely lost me now. :)

Luckily we don't need to agree. I think your idea is just giving more reward for the random... simple as that.

I personally find rewarding good strategy as for more compelling than rewarding someone for randomness. That's not a skill game, that's rolling dice.

Thanks for the respectful debate though, even though we don't agree. Cheers.

I prefer a league bonus for defense. But that's just me...:D

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Originally Posted by Isaacium

I prefer a league bonus for defense. But that's just me...:D

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I would agree with you there. I don't think this idea is something that I'd put in the same conversation as to whether a league bonus for defense is worthy of implementation.

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Originally Posted by kelu

How exactly would rewarding someone for great trap usage not "change the game" ?

Right now, it's just a smattering of elixer that EVERYONE gets regardless of whether they did something good or not.

Placing a bomb or trap in a location where it's likely to kill a dragon, hogrider etc... is indeed strategic. You have completely lost me now. :)

Luckily we don't need to agree. I think your idea is just giving more reward for the random... simple as that.

I personally find rewarding good strategy as for more compelling than rewarding someone for randomness. That's not a skill game, that's rolling dice.

Thanks for the respectful debate though, even though we don't agree. Cheers.

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Same its been great and I hope we can continue this but, honestly I don't think mine is random I like yours it ain't bad just needs to be lower bonus like 25 percent, also it isn't random because if u got a bad base you ain't killing many troops good one you are, and oh yeah can we agree at least that both our ideas better then defensive loot bonus.

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Originally Posted by Isaacium

I prefer a league bonus for defense. But that's just me...:D

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I don't understand why you would want that, see with loot bonus there's one problem, that rewards it equally for all in that bonus this changes and its better you defeat someone better or worse you got what you deserve overall I think it's clearly better than defensive loot bonus.

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Originally Posted by kelu

I would agree with you there. I don't think this idea is something that I'd put in the same conversation as to whether a league bonus for defense is worthy of implementation.

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The loot bonus idea is an unfair way to handle defense this isn't attack its defense and the system won't work for defense especially with a thing called farmers who will attack weak bases and surrender to lose trophies and get loot does that seem fair no it doesn't but with this, your defense needs to earn it by killing the other troops.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

The loot bonus idea is an unfair way to handle defense this isn't attack its defense and the system won't work for defense especially with a thing called farmers who will attack weak bases and surrender to lose trophies and get loot does that seem fair no it doesn't but with this, your defense needs to earn it by killing the other troops.

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I think you are assuming way too much about what I would propose as a loot bonus for defense.

I would base it on strength of attacker vs strength of defense. That in combination with troops destroyed and destruction %.

So if strong attackers are going after weaker bases, that weaker base gets defense bonus based on how much it kills/defends, and to a higher degree than an even battle.

So I don't even know that I'd call it "league" loot bonus, as it's not based on trophies at all.

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Originally Posted by kelu

I think you are assuming way too much about what I would propose as a loot bonus for defense.

I would base it on strength of attacker vs strength of defense. That in combination with troops destroyed and destruction %.

So if strong attackers are going after weaker bases, that weaker base gets defense bonus based on how much it kills/defends, and to a higher degree than an even battle.

So I don't even know that I'd call it "league" loot bonus, as it's not based on trophies at all.

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I mean its a ok but, the graves is so much easier to do all it is, is this hey you destroy a troop, you just click on its grave and get 10 percent of its cost seems and easy fix and best part is instead of adding a whole new system all together like yours all SUPERCELL HAS TO DO IS CHANGE THE GRAVES FROM 20 TO PERCENT ON TROOP COST THAT WAS DESTROYED. Easy fix that will help change the game in a better less complex way.

Thanks for all the advice and votes and opinions, and this thread closing in on 1,200 views soon, but I see a lot of views but only 82 votes on poll, I would like to see more voting on poll so can more vote on poll plz or better yet leave a comment anyway thx if u can.

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Originally Posted by Superraven

I mean its a ok but, the graves is so much easier to do all it is, is this hey you destroy a troop, you just click on its grave and get 10 percent of its cost seems and easy fix and best part is instead of adding a whole new system all together like yours all SUPERCELL HAS TO DO IS CHANGE THE GRAVES FROM 20 TO PERCENT ON TROOP COST THAT WAS DESTROYED. Easy fix that will help change the game in a better less complex way.

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Oh, so now your debating point is the implementation time ?


cmon :)

I's not something that needs a 'fix'. It's something that you desire.

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Originally Posted by kelu

Oh, so now your debating point is the implementation time ?


cmon :)

I's not something that needs a 'fix'. It's something that you desire.

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I didn't debate implementation I said, my idea is easier than creating a new system altogether, and tell me why you like defensive loot bonus better, you never told me once, you are running out of good comebacks, and honestly why is my idea bad? Why? Because its to simple in your opinion why? Mine so much better than defensive loot, and Its is in need of a fix apparently you don't know how some people play like I focus more on attack but others defense is life, so this would help them, and desire yeah i desire this, you know why because it will make this game better, this game is a good game but it ain't a great game and we need good ideas like this to help fix it.

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Originally Posted by HamsterGubben

You have some good points in there but I think it would be simple and fair enough to give out the league bonus to won defences as with won attacks, shouldn't be too hard to implement and actually I think the one who won a real defence deserves the leage bonus most :) bit the problem with my idea is that too many people drops trophies very often and too many people would try to abuse it^^

Guess ur idea is a little better thereby but we could have the league bonus as a gain by won defences at 25-49%?

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Originally Posted by Wilson1

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You guys need to understand thing called farmers, they can just attack the base and defense gets loot how is that fair, also percant ain't fair either because it doesn't accurately describe the battle as much as mine does. In my idea so fair and simple, you destroy a troop you get 10 percent of its cost in elixir, easy to do and will help defensive players without giving them more of an advantage then attacking with loot bonus.

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I didn't debate implementation I said, my idea is easier than creating a new system altogether, and tell me why you like defensive loot bonus better, you never told me once, you are running out of good comebacks, and honestly why is my idea bad? Why? Because its to simple in your opinion why? Mine so much better than defensive loot, and Its is in need of a fix apparently you don't know how some people play like I focus more on attack but others defense is life, so this would help them, and desire yeah i desire this, you know why because it will make this game better, this game is a good game but it ain't a great game and we need good ideas like this to help fix it.

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"Easy fix that will help change the game in a better less complex way"

Fix what ? Nothing to fix.


" best part is instead of adding a whole new system all together like yours all SUPERCELL HAS TO DO IS CHANGE THE GRAVES FROM 20 TO PERCENT ON TROOP COST THAT WAS DESTROYED"

You are using how long it would take to implement compared to your non-strategy based concept to an actual new strategy based feature - as a reason for your idea being ideal. Sorry, I think i've explained my point fully.

These aren't comebacks, they are your words. But feel free to suggest that they aren't yours if you wish ;)

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"Easy fix that will help change the game in a better less complex way"

Fix what ? Nothing to fix.


" best part is instead of adding a whole new system all together like yours all SUPERCELL HAS TO DO IS CHANGE THE GRAVES FROM 20 TO PERCENT ON TROOP COST THAT WAS DESTROYED"

You are using how long it would take to implement compared to your non-strategy based concept to an actual new strategy based feature - as a reason for your idea being ideal. Sorry, I think i've explained my point fully.

These aren't comebacks, they are your words. But feel free to suggest that they aren't yours if you wish ;)

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You talk but with no valid points to back up yours how about worry about defending your own rather than implantation time again I asked you a question and u didnt respond, why is my idea bad tell me why defense loot bonus so much better this is like the 3rd time I have asked no answer, why would you hate on this don't I get it because there's a problem and if you don't know their is then you should wake up and play some more then.

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You talk but with no valid points to back up yours how about worry about defending your own rather than implantation time again I asked you a question and u didnt respond, why is my idea bad tell me why defense loot bonus so much better this is like the 3rd time I have asked no answer, why would you hate on this don't I get it because there's a problem and if you don't know their is then you should wake up and play some more then.

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you can close your ears with hands and go "blah blah blah" but I quoted exactly what you said. Now you don't want to admit you said it ?? haha. ok.


I told you how I would do the defense loot bonus, scroll up and read. You don't get an answer if you don't read :)

"I would base it on strength of attacker vs strength of defense. That in combination with troops destroyed and destruction %.

So if strong attackers are going after weaker bases, that weaker base gets defense bonus based on how much it kills/defends, and to a higher degree than an even battle.

So I don't even know that I'd call it "league" loot bonus, as it's not based on trophies at all."


Yes, this is how I would handle it.

I told you why I don't like your idea. It's about random reward, not strategy ?

You can say you aren't getting answers and responses all you want - scroll up my friend. I am not going to hold your hand here.

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Originally Posted by kelu

"I would base it on strength of attacker vs strength of defense. That in combination with troops destroyed and destruction %.

So if strong attackers are going after weaker bases, that weaker base gets defense bonus based on how much it kills/defends, and to a higher degree than an even battle.

So I don't even know that I'd call it "league" loot bonus, as it's not based on trophies at all."


Yes, this is how I would handle it.

I told you why I don't like your idea. It's about random reward, not strategy ?

You can say you aren't getting answers and responses all you want - scroll up my friend. I am not going to hold your hand here.

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First of all really, mam random reward random how is it random it ain't? it ain't at all, see your base needs to be good for you to defeat the troops so you can collect the bonus from the graves , and again your system to complex man to much work to be added, and lets face it stop calling my idea random reward its strategy, you fail to see what i am trying to say, ok so listen ok, you kill troop with your defense, your base which who makes? you do which requires you to wait what? Strategize that doesn't make sense thinking about your base so it can be good, that is completely random clearly and so complex and hard to do. ( Hoped my sarcasm explained my point again I didn't say your idea was bad just mine is better but apparently you don't get that and oh yeah let the poll do the talking more like it then dislike it by a lot.)

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First of all really, mam random reward random how is it random it ain't? it ain't at all, see your base needs to be good for you to defeat the troops so you can collect the bonus from the graves , and again your system to complex man to much work to be added, and lets face it stop calling my idea random reward its strategy, you fail to see what i am trying to say, ok so listen ok, you kill troop with your defense, your base which who makes? you do which requires you to wait what? Strategize that doesn't make sense thinking about your base so it can be good, that is completely random clearly and so complex and hard to do. ( Hoped my sarcasm explained my point again I didn't say your idea was bad just mine is better but apparently you don't get that and oh yeah let the poll do the talking more like it then dislike it by a lot.)

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graves appear on good and bad bases just the same. Can you predict where they will appear ?

No.. you can't. It's random. Sometimes they get left, sometimes not.. depending on if there is space for a gravestone maybe. But yeah, it's random in the sense that if everything is tight together you will have less of them. So having more gravestones is not based on some skill or strategy.

If you don't understand that... I can't help you :)

I have listened to everything you said. I know what you mean. You can't accept that it's not a indicator of skill as to getting gravestones or not. So expanding this aspect , for your reasons, is not about rewarding strategy.

No matter how many ways you try to paint it.

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graves appear on good and bad bases just the same. Can you predict where they will appear ?

No.. you can't. It's random. Sometimes they get left, sometimes not.. depending on if there is space for a gravestone maybe. But yeah, it's random in the sense that if everything is tight together you will have less of them. So having more gravestones is not based on some skill or strategy.

If you don't understand that... I can't help you :)

I have listened to everything you said. I know what you mean. You can't accept that it's not a indicator of skill as to getting gravestones or not. So expanding this aspect , for your reasons, is not about rewarding strategy.

No matter how many ways you try to paint it.

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This guy, honestly this is a waste of my time first of all look at poll results that's all you need to know. And it is I understand your point but if you had viewed I said that if troop dies on a building then a skeleton on the building so like grave you click on it and it disappears it is on the replies, i will give it to you to, also ahhh killing troops requires a good base which requires a thinking aka strategy just saying.

I don't care if you think my idea is good or bad.

You seem to be taking offense to my accurate depiction of gravestones being rather random and my idea being about a strategy.

You suggested your idea was a fix.. it's not, there is nothing to fix.

You suggested the reason your idea was the right way was because it was easier to implement. I don't think how easy something is to do, makes the idea any less random.

Then you suggested that I misrepresented what you said in terms of both those comments.

Then you suggested I wasn't listening.. wasn't answering.. etc etc

You got your answers.. you got the logic behind my answers.

you don't like that, so you feel the need to misrepresent my understanding of the topic etc.

uh.. i'd say that's a fail. :)

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I see one concern that has gotten repeated, the gold is more important than elixir right now or the building one, now my thinking behind this was that it would be an easy 10 percent of but many of you are bringing up valid points, In regards to the buidling issue you can just program the system so that the grave will go right next to the building or better yet not have a grave on it but have some sort of skeleton the building so you don't need to program the grave to move away from building. Now about the gold issue maybe what we could have is a way that depending on what troop it is you get gold or elixir, so like goblins you would get gold lets say and archers elixir but overall I think that we shouldn't add the gold part but if my idea about depends on troop is what resource you get is good please tell me, I do think though that we could just make the graves move over or have skeletons on the buildings to represent the troops who died.

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There we go read whole thing, and sry for spelling username wrong.

Anything to make defense more worthwhile is a big tick in my books.

I like it.

roughly 80 people total in the poll.

If they understand it as well as you have misrepresented it, then what does that mean ? haha :)

There's nothing up there that asks "are gravestones random" or anything that represents my take on it.

So, go show the poll to your mom or something, it doesn't mean anything to me :) haha

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I don't care if you think my idea is good or bad.

You seem to be taking offense to my accurate depiction of gravestones being rather random and my idea being about a strategy.

You suggested your idea was a fix.. it's not, there is nothing to fix.

You suggested the reason your idea was the right way was because it was easier to implement. I don't think how easy something is to do, makes the idea any less random.

Then you suggested that I misrepresented what you said in terms of both those comments.

Then you suggested I wasn't listening.. wasn't answering.. etc etc

You got your answers.. you got the logic behind my answers.

you don't like that, so you feel the need to misrepresent my understanding of the topic etc.

uh.. i'd say that's a fail. :)

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And when you the only one hating on this maybe you should step back and see why, and calling it a fail ahhh no it aint its a good idea and I hope Supercell does this and they should. And also no problem, so you saying clash of clans perfect ha you humor me, its far from perfect aint bad but it ain't perfect

Lastly.. it's laughable that you have suggested this is a "fix".

It's not fixing anything. Nothing is broke.

This is an idea. Not a fix.

I'm not hating on it. Just telling you why I don't like it.

You want to change my mind. You want me to ignore things that I won't ignore. Sorry.. that's not hating.

That's just telling it like it is.

Maybe you should take a step back and just say "Ok, that's cool"

instead of lying and saying i've not answered questions or don't get your idea and that's why I don't agree with it's need.

I don't agree. Deal with it. ;)

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Lastly.. it's laughable that you have suggested this is a "fix".

It's not fixing anything. Nothing is broke.

This is an idea. Not a fix.

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roughly 80 people total in the poll.

If they understand it as well as you have misrepresented it, then what does that mean ? haha :)

There's nothing up there that asks "are gravestones random" or anything that represents my take on it.

So, go show the poll to your mom or something, it doesn't mean anything to me :) haha

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See again you have no good points, and also again do you play clash of clans because if u would know we have a problem, its easy to be an attacking player like me then a defensive like my best friend and that a fact, and I am just trying to help by giving a good idea and what you gave which again isn't better then mine.

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I'm not hating on it. Just telling you why I don't like it.

You want to change my mind. You want me to ignore things that I won't ignore. Sorry.. that's not hating.

That's just telling it like it is.

Maybe you should take a step back and just say "Ok, that's cool"

instead of lying and saying i've not answered questions or don't get your idea and that's why I don't agree with it's need.

I don't agree. Deal with it. ;)

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I don't care if u dont like it others here do as I see and I just want to prove to you that you wrong and you really don't get this and also I like a good debate, and I never lied just said you wrong in your idea. When u call people names like liar you know you have lost.

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See again you have no good points, and also again do you play clash of clans because if u would know we have a problem, its easy to be an attacking player like me then a defensive like my best friend and that a fact, and I am just trying to help by giving a good idea and what you gave which again isn't better then mine.

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You gave an idea that just gives people random elixer at a higher percentage from gravestones.

Gravestones don't need to be fixed.

I simply told you that I would rather it was based on something that rewarded a strategy. You don't seem to like that. And so you say "you have no good points" -- laughable.

So you say I don't have good points. But yours is "hey lets give more elixer for gravestones that are random... because.. uh.. it's my idea".

Great.. great.. :)

Just cup your ears and say "I'm not listening.. I'm not listening.." why change now ?

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You gave an idea that just gives people random elixer at a higher percentage from gravestones.

Gravestones don't need to be fixed.

I simply told you that I would rather it was based on something that rewarded a strategy. You don't seem to like that. And so you say "you have no good points" -- laughable.

So you say I don't have good points. But yours is "hey lets give more elixer for gravestones that are random... because.. uh.. it's my idea".


Great.. great.. :)

Just cup your ears and say "I'm not listening.. I'm not listening.." why change now ?

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You don't get it do you, to destroy the troop it aint random, it ain't and don't need to be fixed what so getting 20 elixir from them is good wow u are just really don't get it, how are they good now, this is a creative and better idea than defensive loot bonus in so many ways, and though i do get it isn't based on trophies, as I said before all supercell has to do is A either make troops that die on a building etc put skeletons on building to represent it just an idea not official or B program the graves to go next to buildings and not on them not that hard yours involves supercell making a whole new system from scratch basically mines fixies something that id currently in the game, and both get to the goal of rewarding defense just mine is easy to do and better.

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Originally Posted by daz258

Anything to make defense more worthwhile is a big tick in my books.

I like it.

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Thanks supposed to be a good and simple idea to help defensive players.

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You don't get it do you, to destroy the troop it aint random, it ain't and don't need to be fixed what so getting 20 elixir from them is good wow u are just really don't get it, how are they good now, this is a creative and better idea than defensive loot bonus in so many ways, and though i do get it isn't based on trophies, as I said before all supercell has to do is A either make troops that die on a building etc put skeletons on building to represent it just an idea not official or B program the graves to go next to buildings and not on them not that hard yours involves supercell making a whole new system from scratch basically mines fixies something that id currently in the game, and both get to the goal of rewarding defense just mine is easy to do and better.

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I get it, you just don't get that it's not needed. Adds no strategic value.

The creative part is already done, your idea is "Make it more". I have to believe they have put thought into how much it should be when implementing it.

I simply said that I would rather have it based on a strategic element as opposed to .. uhh. just have it yield more.

If you ask 100 people if they want more loot for gravestones, of course they will say "yep, i'm all for that".

However, that doesn't meant that it improves the strategy of the game.

Sorry this is so hard for you to understand that you seem to suggest I don't "get it".

Your idea is dirt simple -- "Give more for elixer gravestones".

Yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge that the way gravestones get added has a random element in that it relies on if there is actually space at the kill location to add one. That is why it's less common to see them further in on a fort, but that is where alot of killing of larger troop occurs.

Sorry.. if you don't get it. But that element creates a problem easily solved by my suggestion. If troops are killed by a bomb, the gravestone appears on the location of the bomb that is now gone. One gravestone might represent multiple troops that were 'killed' by that bomb.

But yeah. "you want more elixer from gravestones". got it.. noted. Amazing idea.

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I get it, you just don't get that it's not needed. Adds no strategic value.

The creative part is already done, your idea is "Make it more". I have to believe they have put thought into how much it should be when implementing it.

I simply said that I would rather have it based on a strategic element as opposed to .. uhh. just have it yield more.

If you ask 100 people if they want more loot for gravestones, of course they will say "yep, i'm all for that".

However, that doesn't meant that it improves the strategy of the game.

Sorry this is so hard for you to understand that you seem to suggest I don't "get it".

Your idea is dirt simple -- "Give more for elixer gravestones".

Yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge that the way gravestones get added has a random element in that it relies on if there is actually space at the kill location to add one. That is why it's less common to see them further in on a fort, but that is where alot of killing of larger troop occurs.

Sorry.. if you don't get it. But that element creates a problem easily solved by my suggestion. If troops are killed by a bomb, the gravestone appears on the location of the bomb that is now gone. One gravestone might represent multiple troops that were 'killed' by that bomb.

But yeah. "you want more elixer from gravestones". got it.. noted. Amazing idea.

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To easily counter that I added something on the post my thread that says that supercell can fix that by adding a skeleton on building, so thats an easy fix also it aint random u need a good base to kill this goo troops just sayin and this saying give me more elixir from gravestones yes thats true but thats why its good it a simple easy idea to do that doesn't require supercell to make a whole system again, that will have glitches and mistakes and people will complain and again you don't get it " you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink", you the horse man I don't know why you wouldn't like this, and also its only 10 percent supposed to be a supplemental source of income for the defender at best, u were the person who said 50 percent for traps thats a lot this is a small and decent reward as it should be and better and easier to do then yours, and also u think gravestones are fine now wow you really don't see a problem here. You know you such a hypocrite, you say there is no problem yet offer a solution you may have a different solution then me I am fine with that but say there is a problem at least.

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To easily counter that I added something on the post my thread that says that supercell can fix that by adding a skeleton on building, so thats an easy fix also it aint random u need a good base to kill this goo troops just sayin and this saying give me more elixir from gravestones yes thats true but thats why its good it a simple easy idea to do that doesn't require supercell to make a whole system again, that will have glitches and mistakes and people will complain and again you don't get it " you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink", you the horse man I don't know why you wouldn't like this, and also its only 10 percent supposed to be a supplemental source of income for the defender at best, u were the person who said 50 percent for traps thats a lot this is a small and decent reward as it should be and better and easier to do then yours, and also u think gravestones are fine now wow you really don't see a problem here. You know you such a hypocrite, you say there is no problem yet offer a solution you may have a different solution then me I am fine with that but say there is a problem at least.

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There is a problem, it's not gravestones. That's what you don't seem to understand.

Gravestones is a silly way to fix the problem you are noting.

I am for adding strategy , not just giving more elixer to fix a different problem.

I get you are stuck on this, and the "strategy" aspect is completely lost on you.

We have all arrived at your water, and it's "Lets give more elixer for gravestones".

You are right, I ain't drinking that. I'd rather see a more thoughtful approach to solving the real problem, and even my suggestion is more about "strategy" than a direct fix for the real problem.

Enough already, we got it. Give more elixer for gravestones. :)

You are not required to value strategy in gameplay.

I didn't offer a solution to gravestones. There is no problem with them.

I was giving a suggestion that adds strategic value to obtaining a gravestone.

That's a very different things than saying "hey, lets give more elixer for gravestones".

You still can't make that distinction in your head :)

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We have all arrived at your water, and it's "Lets give more elixer for gravestones".

You are right, I ain't drinking that. I'd rather see a more thoughtful approach to solving the real problem, and even my suggestion is more about "strategy" than a direct fix for the real problem.

Enough already, we got it. Give more elixer for gravestones. :)

You are not required to value strategy in gameplay.

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Originally Posted by kelu

I didn't offer a solution to gravestones. There is no problem with them.

I was giving a suggestion that adds strategic value to obtaining a gravestone.

That's a very different things than saying "hey, lets give more elixer for gravestones".

You still can't make that distinction in your head :)

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Originally Posted by kelu

There is a problem, it's not gravestones. That's what you don't seem to understand.

Gravestones is a silly way to fix the problem you are noting.

I am for adding strategy , not just giving more elixer to fix a different problem.

I get you are stuck on this, and the "strategy" aspect is completely lost on you.

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Ok so I get your concern but I used the gravestones as my solution to the problem of defensive players having a disadvantages compared to attacking ones and I am an attacking player just some aren't so I figured we need this also I used gravestones because they are worthless and seemed like a creative way to solve the problem, that's what I thought, now if u don't get that I don't care anymore actually, I have asked people in my clan and who I know and play the game and they all loved it, I honestly don't care if one doesn't and I will keep responding to you why, to keep making my point to other people on forum that my idea better than defensive loot and honestly we really won't know who's right until like a moderator responds telling us hey defensive loot bonus better or the graves. And yes i do want more elixir in tombstones 20 is ridiculous low, and this would solve it and help defensive players and have no real bad cost game tell me where is the downside to this, 50 bucks you will say its random won't you, man talk all you want I know I am right, I had some bad reactions on some of my threads before ain't going to lie but this one I think I did good

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I didn't offer a solution to gravestones. There is no problem with them.

I was giving a suggestion that adds strategic value to obtaining a gravestone.

That's a very different things than saying "hey, lets give more elixer for gravestones".

You still can't make that distinction in your head :)

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Do you think Kelu is right that grave stones fine as they are now, comment and tell my what you think below!

What do you guys I think I certainly do and I am an attacking player, and this is why we need the graves idea! Always vote on the poll and a leave a comment on what you think thanks!

I don't think graves would impact the game/forums at all.

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I don't think graves would impact the game/forums at all.

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Right now the graves do nothing you right but, if my idea got added in then we talking, see if you made sure that every troop that died had a a grave even if on a building, if Supercell could do that than 10 percent training cost of troop would really help and be and be a decent supplemental source of income for many, and it would it would be an easy way to help defensive players.

This would help inactive players make a profit. I don't think this should be added, because it would promotes inactiveness.

good idea needs a few tweaks though
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This would help inactive players make a profit. I don't think this should be added, because it would promotes inactiveness.

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It wouldn't at all honestly, it is designed to help defensive players and really I don't see your point at all man, sorry but its wrong, and active players would make a profit to you know just saying.

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Originally Posted by Liamm

good idea needs a few tweaks though
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I purposely left this to be open and broad to add ideas, already had one added that if troop killed by trap you get 25 percent not 10 percent of training cost your ideas help, go any?

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good idea needs a few tweaks though
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What tweaks would be nice I no that some are needed just to clarify which ones would be nice, how to improve it.

Do you think we should make it 25 percent of troop training cost if its killed by trap comment below I would love to hear what you say!

good idea , 10% are not enough though. coz lets say archer lvl 4 cost 160 , so it even less then 20...

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good idea , 10% are not enough though. coz lets say archer lvl 4 cost 160 , so it even less then 20...

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I get your point i at first didn't want this to be a huge source of income only small, but know i think this could be a decent supplemental source of income if it was 20 percent lets say, but that's the Community, Moderators and especially SuperCell's call what you guys think is 10 percent good enough or is 20 percent or even more needed for this to truly work.

-Or- the defending player can be rewarded with an actual loot bonus. Similar to what SC added with offensive raiding.
Check out my profile to see my idea. It is labeled: Defense LOOT Bonus.

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-Or- the defending player can be rewarded with an actual loot bonus. Similar to what SC added with offensive raiding.
Check out my profile to see my idea. It is labeled: Defense LOOT Bonus.

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Tell me why have a new system entirely that could be unfair with farmers attacking to lose trophies etc, and have this which accurately rewards the defender just saying this is a better alternative for defensive players the in my opinion the unfair loot system.

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Tell me why have a new system entirely that could be unfair with farmers attacking to lose trophies etc, and have this which accurately rewards the defender just saying this is a better alternative for defensive players the in my opinion the unfair loot system.

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Not mention also that if this would happen it would be one update devoted to that probably and nothing else so wiht my idea Supercell can do other things aswell.

I see a lot want tweaks could u say which ones would be nice is it the amount of 10 percent, or that you think that it would be nice to add but we still need a defensive loot bonus tell me what you think Please comment and vote tell me what you want and think.

I had an idea for the grave idea and thought it could work, many are saying how 10 percent is to low, so I thought of an add on to it, the 10 percent would be on, and the 25 percent for a troop that got killed by a trap but, what should also be taken in effect is the level of the defense that killed example, lets say a lvl 7 archer tower kills a troop that should give you more loot than a lvl 8 killing it since a lower lvl tower is killing the troop, so depending on the level of troop and defense is what you get.

Example Archers and Archer Tower
Lvl 1 troop - 10 percent from all defense
Lvl 2 troop - 10 percent from all defense
Lvl 3 troop - 10 percent for all defense, 15 percent if killed from a lvl 4 tower or below
Lvl 4 troop - 10 percent for all defense, 15 percent if killed from a lvl 6 tower or below, 20 percent if killed from a lvl 4 tower or below
Lvl 5 troop - 10 percent for all defense, 15 percent if killed from a lvl 8 tower or below, 20 percent if killed from a lvl 6 or below, 25 percent if killed from a lvl 4 or below
Lvl 6 troop - 10 percent for all defense, 15 percent if killed from a lvl 10 or below, 20 percent if killed from a lvl 8 tower or below, 25 percent if killed from a lvl 6 or below, 30 percent if killed from a lvl 4 tower or below.

This is just an example you would have to do this for all troops and defenses, but I hope this would make the system more fair, if you like the old one tell me to, comment below and tell me what you think.

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As a dominantly defensive player I really love this idea. I've been attacked by some monster armies and have done well. This would help my base. Plus the xbows eat up any elixar gained from graves and then some.

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*claps excitedly*

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*claps excitedly*

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Thanks man my goal is for supercell to actually take this into consideration hopes it works, I thank you and all the people who support this idea hopes it gets done and helps balance out the game between attack and defense.

I've seen a bunch of ideas involving graves, but this blows them away completely. This would make people in CoC become somewhat more aware of their base being important to people who play hyper offensive

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I've seen a bunch of ideas involving graves, but this blows them away completely. This would make people in CoC become somewhat more aware of their base being important to people who play hyper offensive

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The point of this is to do that, and not to try to make defense more important than attacking or make it completely balanced but to make the defense come close to important than attacking, and I know this needs some tweaks but, I think overall its a good idea and needs to be implemented, and I think you understand my point so again thanks!

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post2072128

Another request for defensive loot it shows people want loot for defenders but the way they doing it is bad but graves solves that.