Why are there loot penalties?

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Originally Posted by Rakcs

Loot penalty is simply to be fair with other players.

higher TH means more defense, stronger troops.
use them to your advantage. If you can't, then you need to improve yourself more, don't ask to improve the game for you. ;)

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More defense and stronger troops = much higher costs. You can't use them to your advantage because the loot penalty removes that advantage.

Your comment indicates that you have no idea what you're talking about.

As Growler said, how does it make sense that people with TH9 should envy TH7 for its ability to accumulate loot?

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Originally Posted by Rakcs

Loot penalty is simply to be fair with other players.

higher TH means more defense, stronger troops.
use them to your advantage. If you can't, then you need to improve yourself more, don't ask to improve the game for you. ;)

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first off if you making this statement i'm assuming that you have a low town hall and are not being affected by the penalties and if you are its in a positive was because now the lower levels can farm the heck out of the higher levels assuming they can win anything (but that is a completely different issue all together). but back to you Rakcs I give you props for staying out of the madness that is wrapped up in getting a high level town hall and like may others have said i advise you stay away from the higher level town halls till you 100% ready to make the plunge cause there is no going back once you do... mad props to you sir :).

To address your next point about improving yourself not going to delve into this to deeply but doesn't it make sense that if you can't get resources you probably can't improve high level stuff (such as 3mil elixir for level 7 lab and 3.2mil gold for level 7 mortars there are many other examples those are just the two that come to mind first). yes i know we shouldn't have leveled up if we were not ready but the core of this problem is that we didn't know we would be penalized so harshly or at all for that matter and all i'm asking is for a notice to help other players not run into this issue. Personally i don't think its fair to have such harsh penalties but that is my opinion if the developers feel they should stay so be it just please give us (the players) a warning.

Having said that i pose a simple question to you. Would you like to be penalized for trying to increase your town hall? I'm going to assume you don't and quite honestly that is whats happening to some players, my self included. Don't get me wrong i agree with you loot penalties are fair to a degree but what they are now is a bit over the edge. There are plenty of possible ways to fix what i see as a problem some of which are already discussed but for time sake i'll save that for another post.

Thanks for posting Rakcs and everyone else :) keep it real and feel free to continue adding you opinions on this section.
~Sharktooth73

Without TH penalties you would be looted by people 5 TH levels above you

I do get the point of the O.P.

I posted a thread, a few weeks back, regarding the exact same thing.

A warning should pop up when you're about to upgrade your TH. 'Your TH is not maxed. Upgrading your TH will mean you will get less loot from THs lower than you. Do you want to proceed?'.

And with that you have two options. 'Yes, i'll accept the consequences', and the other. 'Really?, ok I'll max my TH first'

I feel the pain of the others who were not so lucky.

I think the loot system is fine.

This is coming from a level 100 TH9 with 154/250 lvl 9 walls.

No problems here.

Hey I'm maxed th8 (115/225skulls only though) and I'm upgrading to th9 without fear because,in my defence list while I have full storages and empty collectors I have seen all th9 steal 300k gold from me and when I revenge them at full storages there is 350k in there so no big deal I see because th9 don't need much to prevent th8 from 100% them if I don't use hogs which is rare! Also most th9s with full storages are farmers who I only find in my defence list with th outside and hardcore online time so I never get to revenge them anyway!

Anyway im tired of the crying about loot penalties meaning a difference of 50k loot possible between th8-9 comparing th8 attacking/defending against th9 so I can't actually see the unfair part as th9 has one more storage and better army/defence so they should honestly have 25% more available loot butbut instead they are harder to raid and harder to get all loot and th8 get less loot from 3 th9 storages then th9 gets from th8 (counting at max loot available)!

So now to make you guys happy I have a good way to stop all the weird complaining and balance out two parts of complaining people! Make the loot penalty change by th and trophy range as a combination, meaning forexample:
Th10: 0% at champion and 5%*difference in level of th more penalty per league area that they step down (ex:crystal 1-3 masters-3)
Th9: 0% at master and 5%*diff th more penalty per league area
Th8: 0% penalty at crystal and same counting!

Now this is just example numbers but in fact I think it's the only way to make people want to farm at "their highest possible farm league" and make people happy about the loot and maybe preemies can farm with a small penalty but avoid the hard core farmers with max troops! Meaning farming will become more then just low leagues noob farm with th outside but instead even more strategy and with additional options!

See the awesome point of this? :)
HamsterGubben

Ps:writing from phone so editing here and there in the post

When the loot system changed loot increase was removed. You do not get more loot when attacking higher level town halls any more. Supercell justified this by zapping.

Nvm, old topic.
Why the hell did they dig up this topic.

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Originally Posted by HamsterGubben

So now to make you guys happy I have a good way to stop all the weird complaining and balance out two parts of complaining people! Make the loot penalty change by th and trophy range as a combination, meaning forexample:
Th10: 0% at champion and 5%*difference in level of th more penalty per league area that they step down (ex:crystal 1-3 masters-3)
Th9: 0% at master and 5%*diff th more penalty per league area
Th8: 0% penalty at crystal and same counting!

Now this is just example numbers but in fact I think it's the only way to make people want to farm at "their highest possible farm league" and make people happy about the loot and maybe preemies can farm with a small penalty but avoid the hard core farmers with max troops! Meaning farming will become more then just low leagues noob farm with th outside but instead even more strategy and with additional options!

See the awesome point of this? :)
HamsterGubben

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So let me get this right. You are suggesting a TH10 that is in Crystal 3 get a 30% penalty (6 * 5%). How is that going to help a premmie TH10?

No I dont see the awesome point to this.

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Originally Posted by sharktooth73

Before i address this from my understanding loot penalties are penalties that affect how much resources you can steal or can be stolen from you. This makes it a lot harder to get resources with each progressive town hall level. obviously there is more to it than i understand but for basic purposes of having everyone on the same page that is my quick definition (you can expand on this later in a post if you feel so inclined:p)

So, to start off i'd like to say i have no real problem with some sort of loot penalties in fact i encourage a level of them, but what they are now is just ridiculous. Ya i know they have penalties to protect newer players and for various marketing purposes. Yet, it seems to me to make more sense to protect the mid to higher level players from such harsh penalties because they are most likely to spend more money on gems. granted i'm not a developer and have no idea what types of players actually buy gems. All i'm saying is i feel there can be a compromise between protecting the new players while providing a fun game for the older players who are now being screwed over.

to delve into this issue a little more i have to bring up the argument of whether the developers are being greedy or not. Honestly i'm of the persuasion that it is there game and they can create it how ever they want and everyone just has to deal with it (i'm mostly of this opinion because its the fact of the game and no amount of complaining is going to change it). so that is my opinion you can think what ever you want. I just ask that you guys try to keep the post professional below instead of turning it into an argument regarding this issue.

but what i will say is is this. I really do have a problem with the town hall being the basis for the loot penalties. Here is where i'm coming from. Since I've started looking at the forums a week ago i have run into countless stories where people have spent hundreds of dollars quickly leveling up their town hall. (they do this cause no where does it say anything about loot penalties that crush there hopes and dreams:() Now they literally have to quit playing (or only focus on their collectors) because they can't get enough resources to level up their troops to win fights. I will really quickly say this to me as a cry for change. I mean how hard would it to mention that loot penalties are present or just to base the loot penalties off actual level so that players who upgrade quick can still find fights among there own levels.

Every time i read these stories it makes me wonder if the developers even care or are just happy they got another paycheck. (yes i understand this is a business and they need to make money but if someone is willing to pay hundreds of dollars to get a quick level 9 town hall don't you think there probably going to buy more later on... i digress.) I also feel they just don't care because of how many stories like this I've read it seems to be an epidemic. I mean at the very least they could mention that there are penalties for leveling the town hall like i mentioned before.

So what is my purpose in posting this... well best case scenario a developer sees it and actually decides to do something about it. (i find this highly doubtful) But at any rate at least someone addressed it because i haven't seen to many posts about loot penalties and warnings. So i guess i'd just like to see the communities views on this. If anyone has any real ideas how to get the developers attention to address this i would be happy to hear them because personally these penalties have just become ridiculous and have just gotten worse with recent updates.

Well that is all i have i'm curious to hear what you guys think. As for those affected by this problem hang in there and hopefully some day the developers will address this. Peace out
~Sharktooth73

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There are two seperate issues here.

1. No warning when upgrading Townhall. - This I agree with you. There should be a warning message so people don't go up prematurely.
2. Loot penalties - This I disagree with you completely. I think the loot penalty is good as it is. Only 10% loot penalty for attacking a TH one level lower is nothing really. If you've been in a certain level of TH for a while and still can't get decent loot from people one TH below, then it means you don't play your game right. And of course you get 50% penalty for attacking two TH level below. Otherwise, how can a low level players grow getting bully from bigger guys all the time. It's unfortunately you have premature TH but people have work through that and so can you. So, instead of complaining, you should focus on building up stronger troops, so you can get more resources and, in turn, catch up with proper base defense.

And before you start guessing that I must be a low TH to say this. I am a TH10 with almost maxed defense. Most of my walls are LV9 and few of them are LV10. So, yeah, I say this because I know it's not a problem wit the game, but rather how you play it.