Count donations of War Map :)

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

Strawmans do not work on me, do not insult my clan just because you want to defend your idea.


You failed to ague the list again:

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Aight, well here's my answers to your list.

1. People be more motivated to donate giants (This almost lost us a war, ended up being a tie)
To fix the issue you have with the trolls in your clan is to simply make it possible for us to view who donated and what. This could be done by for example when you check what you have in your War CC, you see a giant, you tap on the giant and see whose giant it is. Then you can do whatever you please with that "troll".

2. People should learn you do not need direct rewards every time for "helping"
True. But that does not mean the ones doing major good work for the clan should not be even notified. People should at least know who are the ones spending gems and lots of elixir and dark elixir to help their clan. This will especially help leaders in newer clans or with new members who participate actively in donating on war cc.

3. It would be heavily abused if they allow troop release.
Heavily abused? What kind of a clan do you have if players would heavily abuse this idea? You really can't bring up your own clan issues to every part of denying this idea. Seriously man, fix your clan issues.

4. It makes ill feelings of those that can't donate because they are "not strong enough"
Come on man, this is so out of the blue argument. One day they will be. Clash of Clans is not a game that was designed for players who want everything to be equal, plus you can make the clan "equal" if you so want to. This really starts looking like your trying to invent problems with this idea just to deny it.

seriously KNOCK IT OFF with the stawman/redhairring/ad hominem ♥♥♥♥ with insulting my clan (and myself, stop calling me man) because you want your idea made. Do you know how to present well founded arguments?

Fist off only two is based what happened in my clan and it was once.

Second, your comment for my first is on the current ruled out list (I disagree with it and agree with you we should have a log) but regardless it being on the list is the current situation. So I do not think it is a good idea to try support your idea that is currently on that list. (I still want to know what they mean by "hard core" not to hard to kick someone that keeps donating goblins when told not to and you see that message)

third, you are self defeating with your comment to my number three. As said in this post that remark has nothing to do with my clan. If you get to troop release, you do not see people abusing it? Keep donating giants then getting whatever you are trying to propose. So you ether have the troop release or this (I think supercell said somewhere it was being considered, I can't find where it was though)

number four is not out of the blue. It has been said even by other posters in threads like this, that it is not fair for other members that want to donate and get exp or whatever but can't because their troops are not good enough.

Lasly, ever consider you may not have the best solution to this issue? you missed this comment of mine still

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I still think the best solution is allowing 100% elixir/dark elixir return on what is donated on wins (80% tie, 50% loss)

No "gain" prevents my list from happening.

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Noe that^ goes with 2. and the fact donating well helps.. idoono.. the entire clan win the bonus loot?

Ok, this thread seems to be devolving into mudslinging, but I have to say the idea has many issues. I lead a clan where the default is archers: they're cheap, quick to make, and effective on attacks and defenses. I can't even begin to think how much time I've spent getting people to follow that rule, but they now do. With wars, however, my clan only wars once a week, so I would like to have drags/wiz in the cc, since they're better on defense.

Here's the problem: my members are so used to donating archers that they give them anyway. Now, this is of course fixable, and I've managed to get my members to hold off on the archers, in large part by pointing out that clan war donations don't count to your total. Considering that my clan is fairly advanced (everyone has level 5+ arch), the amount of time I've had to put into this makes me wonder how the leaders of lower clans don't pull their hair out in frustration.

As far as being rewarded for donating, isn't winning the war enough? I spent 400k+ elixir and 3 hours of potential raiding time donating 450 troops to war bases yesterday, and I don't need some numbers to increase to make it feel worthwhile. If increasing your numbers is the only reason you donate to your clan, perhaps it's time to find a new one. If not, learn to find the value in the deed itself, not just in the reward.

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

Ok, this thread seems to be devolving into mudslinging, but I have to say the idea has many issues. I lead a clan where the default is archers: they're cheap, quick to make, and effective on attacks and defenses. I can't even begin to think how much time I've spent getting people to follow that rule, but they now do. With wars, however, my clan only wars once a week, so I would like to have drags/wiz in the cc, since they're better on defense.

Here's the problem: my members are so used to donating archers that they give them anyway. Now, this is of course fixable, and I've managed to get my members to hold off on the archers, in large part by pointing out that clan war donations don't count to your total. Considering that my clan is fairly advanced (everyone has level 5+ arch), the amount of time I've had to put into this makes me wonder how the leaders of lower clans don't pull their hair out in frustration.

As far as being rewarded for donating, isn't winning the war enough? I spent 400k+ elixir and 3 hours of potential raiding time donating 450 troops to war bases yesterday, and I don't need some numbers to increase to make it feel worthwhile. If increasing your numbers is the only reason you donate to your clan, perhaps it's time to find a new one. If not, learn to find the value in the deed itself, not just in the reward.

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I do not see misunderstanding here, not on my part anyway.

Plus what you said is one of the concepts I was trying to get at, for whatever reason they are not getting though (reason for my second reason why I see this is not needed, as the other three trying to show what harm it can happen for doing such an update)

MomoZB, it is now obvious that you're just here to deny this idea just for the lulz, or whatever reason. Or then you simply cannot understand it. Whatever the case, I don't want to waste this thread to argue with your pointless arguments. I have stated everything possible, and we both know you'll just keep denying me, come up with new excuses and so on, so I'll hereby just ignore you from now on.

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

Ok, this thread seems to be devolving into mudslinging, but I have to say the idea has many issues. I lead a clan where the default is archers: they're cheap, quick to make, and effective on attacks and defenses. I can't even begin to think how much time I've spent getting people to follow that rule, but they now do. With wars, however, my clan only wars once a week, so I would like to have drags/wiz in the cc, since they're better on defense.

Here's the problem: my members are so used to donating archers that they give them anyway. Now, this is of course fixable, and I've managed to get my members to hold off on the archers, in large part by pointing out that clan war donations don't count to your total. Considering that my clan is fairly advanced (everyone has level 5+ arch), the amount of time I've had to put into this makes me wonder how the leaders of lower clans don't pull their hair out in frustration.

As far as being rewarded for donating, isn't winning the war enough? I spent 400k+ elixir and 3 hours of potential raiding time donating 450 troops to war bases yesterday, and I don't need some numbers to increase to make it feel worthwhile. If increasing your numbers is the only reason you donate to your clan, perhaps it's time to find a new one. If not, learn to find the value in the deed itself, not just in the reward.

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I really don't think people should bring up personal issues with their clans that can be solved within the clan. It's nothing any of us can fix, but you yourself.

You clearly did not understand the point of this idea. The point is to at least notify the ones who are doing major good work for the clan, and it will help especially the clan leader considering further promotions within the clan. It's not a reward, rather a tool. People keep spending lots and lots of dark elixir and elixir to help others in the war, but they are not even notified and the leader really can't follow all donations to acknowledge who donated and what. Everybody knows it's good that we help each other in war, so clearly it's not for the numbers as you speak of.

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Originally Posted by Storyteller

I really don't think people should bring up personal issues with their clans that can be solved within the clan. It's nothing any of us can fix, but you yourself.

You clearly did not understand the point of this idea. The point is to at least notify the ones who are doing major good work for the clan, and it will help especially the clan leader considering further promotions within the clan. It's not a reward, rather a tool. People keep spending lots and lots of dark elixir and elixir to help others in the war, but they are not even notified and the leader really can't follow all donations to acknowledge who donated and what. Everybody knows it's good that we help each other in war, so clearly it's not for the numbers as you speak of.

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I understand your point as you only want an indicator on how much war donations a clan member has made with no other rewards beside the increase in this war donation indicator.

That could still motivate rouge donations for your WCs though, just because bigger number means a bigger war contributor. Exposure of who donated what in the WCs are another whole new request/suggestion that has been posted many times here before.
My opinion on your suggestion here is that the exposure of donators must come first before any indicator for war donations can be enabled. Another suggestion/request for the ability to dump undesired WC troops can act as an opposing factor to any indicator for war donations, meaning if we are given the ability to dump war troops, such indicators can and will be abused to bloat up the war troop donations statistics of a player.

IMHO, the best thing is to not have any indicators whatsoever for war donations and let those clans who have worked so hard to discipline their members not to fill WCs with useless for defense troops and their corresponding high leveled donators to reap their reward of victory in war. Making war donations any easier to be done correctly might render the efforts of these clans useless, and even an indicator for number of war troops donated will make their currently 'disciplined' clan members turn rouge.

I do like this idea because a lot of people are donating a lot of maxed troops and not getting much in return so u should have the amount donated at the end of the war.

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Originally Posted by MomoZB

This has been posted before and ill say what I said in them

Please no, cause too much problems

1. People be more motivated to donate giants (This almost lost us a war, ended up being a tie)
So why we're they donated in the first place?
2. People should learn you do not need direct rewards every time for "helping"
Well...Still helps right? It's like an extra incentive
3. It would be heavily abused if they allow troop release.
How? Throwing troops into the rubbish bin isn't abusing, it's wasting your own resources
4. It makes ill feelings of those that can't donate because they are "not strong enough"
Sorry I can't understand this one. Even without counting wouldn't they still have ill feelings?
I still think the best solution is allowing 100% elixir/dark elixir return on what is donated on wins (80% tie, 50% loss)
Agreed, but paired with other solutions will make clan wars awesome
No "gain" prevents my list from happening.

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Well that's what I have to say

Up we go :)