What level defenses do you have?...Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
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What level defenses do you have?...Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
Two more defense logs. Added to main page.
http://i58.tinypic.com/ehkw36.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/2qn87k8.jpg
Ty :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Balloon and minions + heal o.O
Good defence man =3
Yeah and most of them were in Masters 3, got up here in hopes of better DE... With success :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisado
And its okay to use loons and minions with some heals, I personally use 2 rages, 1 lightning, and 1 heal. It helps when youve already gone through the air defenses but you wanna recover the loons' health from wiz towers/air bombs/xbows :)
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Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Hey kamikaze
The farming base work? because air defense it's much exposte =(
Yeah, I know they are. I havent tried the farming version myself, but its the best I could get the base to be. The idea behind it is that, in gold league, people normally dont have loonions or mass drags, they have farming armies. And centralised mortars are much more important than centralised ADs to combat these armies. If someone with an aerial army comp. runs into you and you have nice loot, chances are you are gonna come out with an ugly defense :/ Try distributing the air bombs and mines more evenly around the base (not biased to the TH and DE side like in the picture, as theres no TH to protect) and pointing your xbows up to try and counter air attacks better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisado
I'm using your farming base layout and i loved!
Look at this ♥♥ what you think? :)
I'll share more soon, now i'm with a shield hahahaha...
You can send your replay to youtube? =x plsQuote:
Originally Posted by yohh
Thanks kamikaze :3Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Ae cara você não pode gravar esse replay e colocar no youtube?Quote:
Originally Posted by yohh
Preciso muito ver essa defesa rs
Hi Kam,
have used your base for 3 days (made the change for the most recent clan war). I wasn't touched in the clan war, I am happy to say, and have only been raided once in normal play over that 3 day period (archer, barb, gob attack that got 17% and a few resources for collectors). No one else has dared even give it a proper go. Thanks for a very functional, and symmetrically attractive design, sir!
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Clan: Bloodfire (black and yellow shield, 45 members)
Maxed TH9, 106 level 9 walls, rest level 8
Lvl 16 barb king
lvl 13 Archer queen
trophy range: 1600-1900
Hey Kami!
Base actually looks good seems like the base sparks everyones attention. As a Barcher I might tense up and have a sense of skepticism as to attacking you. I'm not much of a hog user so I can't testify for myself that I can win against this base, otherwise I fear it!!! HEHEHE
-Ender
Nice work on the design Kam! Will definitely have to try it out sometime... You got a name for it yet? :P
Glad I saved you all that gold :PQuote:
Originally Posted by yohh
Yea back down in crystal 3/2 I normally went off at night, and came on in the morning 8hs later, normally without being attacked :) Changes a bit in Crystal 1/Masters tho, people are more desperate and try attacking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vizz
Thanks man! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggin
Tell me how it goes if you do try it out :) And I can't come up with any decent names for it, anyone got an idea? Maybe something with bacon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaiK
How about ‘Kamikaze's BaconMaker’?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaiK
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisado
I'll try to send today =)
This really looks awesome, I'll try get some defence logs :)
By the looks of it seems fittingQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Thanks :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Guidasholiac
Indeed it does... Name added to main page! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guidasholiac
Looks like a great base. One suggestion I have for the farming version is switching the archer tower that's outside of the walls with the spell factory. That should recreate the hog ring.
There isn't any archer tower outside the walls...Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkKnight33
Name given :) And I gave you and your YT kind of a shoutout on the main page :oQuote:
Originally Posted by SaiK
made some modifications
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...2014.40.46.png
What do you think
The air defense in the core makes it much stronger against air defense while the core is a little weaker against ground attacks with the 2 missing teslas.
The change in walls makes BArch armies work a little harder to get to the storages.
Heroes are lurable no matter where you put them so I always have them outside the core.
I kinda like having 2 ADs inside and 2 outside, its really easy to get 50% if not. Also, level 7 teslas are awesome against everything, so I love having all four of them in the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by regalic
Changes in walls look good, but I LOVE funneling, and the base looks sexy as hell with those open compartments :p
My heroes are in a strict regime of non-stop upgrading, so doesnt really matter where I place them. Currently switched them from their original spots in the core with the two elixir storages next to them, as shown in the first picture in the main page :o
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Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Made the changes after getting 2 starred by 5 ballons and 100 minions (both maxxed). Of course I had my xbows down, my fault with only 2 AD in the middle you need the xbows up, so the minions coming in from the side walked thru my defenses.
Ballons took out the wizard and archer tower and the minions gutted my storages and town hall.
I love your base! I'm moving up in trophys, lets see how far i can get.
Last CW i used this layout, but nobody attacked me :(
I have some pics of the first defences and my base.
Swapped the north Mortat with an xbow, because xbow is upgrading.
http://i.imgur.com/mIR4pWm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lQTRpRX.png
Crystal 3, Gold 1
1) Attacked from the south-east, but only used 1 rage spell. AQ moved to the core and was killed in seconds by the teslas.
2) I guess he thought my collectors were full because i had 200k gold and 350k elixer available.
3) Attacked from the North, and was aible to get 2 gold storages and 2 elixer storages.
http://i.imgur.com/zLhhVlq.png
Gold 2
1) Nothing special, giants all killed with the duo GB
2) He didn't lure out my clan castle, troops were killed fast.
3) Not sure what he was trying
So after using Juns pokeball-design for my th9 and getting totally wrecked in cw by hogriders, I've decided to try out an anti-hog-base. After some searching around the web I've found two top contenders: This base-design and Ringus's base-design(http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...eansing-Design).
So my question to you guys here at this thread(and to kamikaze) is: How does this base compare to Ringus's base? Which one is the best? Advantages of them both? Major differences? Your overall thoughts of the two?
Right now I'm leaning towards Ringus's base, simply because I find it to be a bit more flexible in its transformations(as seen in the thread I linked). So give me your best arguments!
First post :)
I dont really want to compare both bases, as I'm obviously going to lean towards my base and not other people's bases, but I'll try to be as objective as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentosfruitcore
I dont know what u mean about the ringus being more easily transformable, you actually have to move the wall structure of the base for ot to go from farming to trophy, in mine you just take out the buildings with one click with the village edit mode and place them back in another spot.
My base has an unlureable clan castle in both the trophy base and the farming base, the ringus only has it on the farming version, and it can still be lured by hogs even when the CC is in the center.
However, the double giant bombs in the ringus are much harder to test for than in my base, as they are in he corners and not in the sides.
Guess that's all, besides that the two bases are very similar to each other, they even have the same buildings in the core (besides heroes). The one aspect of my base that, in my opinion, makes it unique, is the unlureable CC feature, which is why I believe it is better than most anti-hogs out there.
Pretty hard to defend against a high level baloonion as an early TH9 :/ Having your xbows up would have made a difference tho, but well, its impossible to defend against all attack strategies effectively at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by regalic
i made this base from 1 post, hogs got destroyed very nice, BUT i got easy 2starred by giants + archers +3 heal spell.
After 2 mortar died he made non stop heal in the mid and arbalets lvl 3 could not kill a single archer under heal spell =(
I have a fairly underleveled version of this base, but it defended against a L101 w/29 L5 hogs today. Pretty predictable outcome. Textbook for what this base is supposed to do.
The attacker foolishly used lightning spells instead of heals, but it wouldn't have mattered. Those hogs got obliterated by the double bombs.
Youtube video: http://youtu.be/pACsXShaYQk
I'm looking forward to improving my defense levels and continuing to use this design.
I just started using this base. Im not quite as upgraded as Kamikaze, but so far Im 7-0 on def with one defense being against a lvl 122. Definitely keeping this
This guy spent over a minute trying to lure out the CC (unsuccessfully). The CC wizards did end up finishing off his giants when he finally attacked.
He did grab more gold in the end than I would have liked, but that's partly due to my moving around of resources from the original design, and his goblin bombing me behind his heroes in the end.
Ohyeah, he also didn't get any stars.
http://youtu.be/wtfPYBFEFPw
Reminder too that I'm level 73 (base is underleveled), and the attacker was level 111 with mostly maxed troops.
I thk goblins are the only troups who can lure that base, maybe 10 of them or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by altorg
No they would go for the collectors and not the storagesQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeus974
ah i see u were clever and put long ranged defenses on outsides to prevent from attackers luring your troops and killing them 😉
this looks like a pretty solid base design!
i may have to use this one some time :p
This looks very good, might have to try it out with my little defenses... lol
Thanks a lot to everyone for the awesome support! :o
I'll be uploading another anti-hog not long from now, with CC seeming to be lureable but having the teslas troll people when trying to lure. Look out for it!
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
This is something I have noticed while using Ringus. 1-0Quote:
My base has an unlureable clan castle in both the trophy base and the farming base, the ringus only has it on the farming version, and it can still be lured by hogs even when the CC is in the center.
Good point. 1-1Quote:
However, the double giant bombs in the ringus are much harder to test for than in my base, as they are in he corners and not in the sides.
Yup, truly unlureable cc. Very rare actually. I'll give your base a try.Quote:
Guess that's all, besides that the two bases are very similar to each other, they even have the same buildings in the core (besides heroes). The one aspect of my base that, in my opinion, makes it unique, is the unlureable CC feature, which is why I believe it is better than most anti-hogs out there.
One minor thing that I don't like about the baconmaker is the fact that there are no walls trapping the storages, which makes med think you could easily pick them out with 120+ goblins using giants as meatshields. I do realise that we're talking about an antihog-base, but it still bothers me a bit. Have you had any problems with those "gaps" in the corners?
I salute you and your base :)
Lol that won't happen. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentosfruitcore
Firstly, because no one uses mass goblins armies.
But even of they did, the storages are covered by 1 or 2 mortars, a wizzard tower, 2 point defenses, both xbows (if on ground, if not only one) and the teslas (2 of them or none in the trophy base, 1 in the farming base)
This base is great the only army to have gotten a star was a 2 star max gowiwi(lvl15 heros) during clan wars anything else obliterated and he had all of his troops die at 53% so close
Glad to help :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bfoz
And whats up with that time bug thingy? Is it real/confirmed?
Base looks great. Well done Kamikaze. When I saw "Unlureable" in the thread title I got all excited. Not everyone realizes the importance of that.
Will be switching to either this base or vinny's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvdMcu-iBU) for sure. Have you checked that one out yet?
Yeah I have checked it out... Same as in ringus, double giant bombs are better placed, but CC can be lured by hogs. I like ringus more than vinny's tho, in vinny's some hogs go to the core when cruising through the corners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemavol
Umm what does DE and AD mean? I'm kinda new
DE = Dark ElixirQuote:
Originally Posted by l4ness
AD = Air Defense
Read the thread, this has already been answered. Ringus is superior, have tested both in C1/M3 and they're close but Ringus had a definite advantage when all was said and done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentosfruitcore
Best of luck.
I would 3 star the ringus with hogs, just because of the clan castle being lureable. Idk how they do against other strats, but against hogs there isn't any reasons why the ringus would be better than my base against hogsQuote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
Yeah it's surprising but Ringus performed better in 20+ attacks. Not by a wide margin however, so kudos to you for getting close Kamikaze. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Kudos for getting close? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
Im gonna repeat what I said to the guy who said he got two starred by barch with my base. I dont know what people get attacked with when using my base, or how they get attacked, I cant control that. What I'm saying is that my base has a much better chance to defend succesfully against HOGS, and hogs only, because thats what I aim to defend against, than most of the other TH9 anti-hogs like ringus or vinny's where you can lure the CC.
Well said, Kamikaze; this past clan war, a modified version of this base (I neatened up the walls) held against 3 consecutive hog attacks before getting 2-starred by mass drags. Ringus is better against armies like mass drags that don't really need CC lures.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Exactly. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doller
The de was so exposed on the farming verison and easy to get, so I switched it with the aq and will see how it goes :)
haha i was like huh?? Kamikaze?? Hey what?? Then reallised ur name on the forum so i was like ohh u again... haha
drop 5 hogs near WT, it'll took down WT, trigger 2 GB and lure your CC out. easy peasy. no base is unlureable if you can play it smart
Sorry for ya but nope, 5 hogs don't take enough spaces they will stay on the edge and won't trigger the ccQuote:
Originally Posted by bryant22
try it for yourself, 5 hog lvl 5 can easily destroy WT and it will trigger 2 GB plus CC. or you can drop 10 hog + 1 heal spell to wreck more than 1 defensive building + lure CCQuote:
Originally Posted by 7ony
No offense but I will agree with you only if you show some proof sorry :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bryant22
They will trigger the fist Gb for sure but not the second one and won't be able to make all the cc troops out if they succede in trigging the cc
Going from the WT to the AD doesn't trigger the cc, going from the WT to the cannon doesn't trigger the cc but going from the cannon to the WT does trigger it, i've tested this base and seen hogs destroying the fourth of the outer ring before triggering the cc
Edit: you seem prtty confident, have you done it in game? (proof please if yes)
I really loved your th9 design, and Im now TH10 any chance you could create a th10 version of this one? I really love the idea of unlurable CC. Great work mate!
Using a third of your hogs and a heal just to lure? No thanks, I'd rather skipQuote:
Originally Posted by bryant22
I dont happen to have a TH10 account, and I hate CoC Builder with my soul. I cant make a base if it isnt in-game.Quote:
Originally Posted by mertalp
Sorry but you'll have to make your own :p Give it a try, its not that hard and it'll make you a better clasher.
This has to be the best base design I have ever used.... Just look at those stats... Unbelievable !
http://i.imgur.com/BNOxXkF.png
My actual base !!!!
http://i.imgur.com/mXPPk4P.jpg
First attack on my base was all dragons and gave 1 star (TH), and the other gave 2 stars, but that was a strong army with 5 maxed pekkas, maxed golem, lvl 14-15 heroes, 5 spells and stuff like that. Not much would stop that as a th9.
This is what my looks like from enemy view.
http://i.imgur.com/ZosxTAO.jpg
I recommend you switch the DE with the BK for it to be a bit better protected.Quote:
Originally Posted by r1sh4bh
Alright thanks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
In the last war, I was attacked.
A TH8 with level 5 troops had a ton of giants and a ton of archers and wllbreakers and got my townhall from one side and 39 %.
That kinda sucked, but I will keep using this base. Haven't been attacked by a hogger yet, though.
Hey, looks really amazing but actually I'm farming to upgrade my new TH9, so are the storages really protected ?
Against a 50 barbs / 70 archs / 60 gobs for example ? Or full gobs to be crazy.
Because I always put (except during CW) my TH outside and I'm really looking for ressources, however even in this way I'm still thinking this base could make the job done, I just want to ask before changing my actual base for yours one.
My actual : http://image.noels♥♥♥♥.com/fichiers/...tient-zero.png
Is anyone using it to farming and defend storages ?
Thanks in advance.
put another photoQuote:
Originally Posted by britsky
I can´t see this =x
Here it is, soz : http://imgur.com/BCRAMt3Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisado
This is a great base. I tested however I found myself getting 2 started by giant/ arch wiz combo so I switched the bottom xbow next to the De storage and the exlir storage( hero ) with mortars filled in mortar spots with barracks from 2nd core and filled in barracks spots with hero's. Now the mortars can kill the archers barbs wiz etc. Now they can't take out the mortars right away and I won't be left without splash damage(besides wiz) .
You cant just take a defense from the third layer and throw it in the middle without replacing its original spot with another defensive building :/ It will interrupt the hog ring, and hogs may get into the core which is what an anti-hog tries to prevent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlfieWelsh
Looks like a really nice base for gold league... But if a hogger runs into you and you have a nice available loot you'll be mad. And about your previous question, no, mass gobs wont take your storages, they have a wizzy tower covering them to prevent this, and they all have 1 or 2 mortars on range too.Quote:
Originally Posted by britsky
Thanks, I exactly go to Gold2/3 to try to get more ressources, and I only took one attack with hogs until now, so a Anti-Hogs isn't absolutly necessary, but your base really looks awesome so I'll may be try your base, if I will, I'll tell here how does it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Thanks.
Okay :) Defo give it a try if you push sometime soon, works wondersQuote:
Originally Posted by britsky
Finally i change my base to yours kami jeje, seems to work fine but i really want to use with th10 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:(little bit modified)
Thanks kami, great work!
I was hogged in our current war.
28 level 5 hogs.
attacker could not lure the cc, unfortunately the dragon inside went after some archers and the heroes instead of the hogs.
Nevertheless, attacker only got 52 % before his hogs died and the rest of his troops, that was an ok result :)
Hi Kamikaze
very nice base, only problem I see is that this is showing up for what it is i.e. an anti-hog base.
If I were to attack on hogs, I would skip this one when it shows up ..
Bye !
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Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Used this base for a week or so now, base is all max town hall 8 level defenses with L2 bows, one upgraded mortar and wiz tower.
Clan Wars: A hogging clan sent mass L4 Dragons, 4 rage, 1 heal at me and managed 49% zero stars
Defended several hog attacks in crystal 1 and master 3, one player managed to wipeout the defenses, but spent so long horsing around in order to get his hogs into the middle that he ran out of time before getting much of any loot.
I also experienced that it is somewhat susceptible to giant/healer/barch armies. They seem to manage 65% and at least half the resources along with the DE a good amount of the time.
Great base overall!
Yeah I dont really like drags in CC, too slow IMO. Minions are better :)Quote:
Originally Posted by acealive
Was I supposed to disguise it as a non-anti-hog? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by dinooli
I cant wait to try to this when I reach to th9! It was a great design!
thanks buddy!
Please upload your version, wanna take a look at it and maybe suggest something to make it better... And maybe add it to the main thread if it is as good as the TH9 one? Idk. But upload it please! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Guir
Good luck with it :o And thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatlace
ever seen "the black whole" base?
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Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
Yeah I've used it for a while... Not a great one to be honest. Id rather have a very good base that looks like an anti-hog, than have a regular base that doesnt look like one.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinooli
TheOneKamikaze sure likes to bump this thread...and when the original poster of the base has to bump it to keep it from fading into oblivion instead of the actual users of the base, it tells you all you need to know.
Look for the TH9 base threads on the front page where the original creator of the base is barely active...that shows that actual users are talking about it, enjoying it, and benefiting from the design so much that they alone can sustain it.
When you see a designer posting 20, 30, even 50 times a day, answering questions in separate posts instead of within one quoted thread, it tells you that he's desperate to keep the thread alive...because no one is using the base anymore and has moved on.
Food for thought.
So my base isnt good because I take the time to answer people when they need something? Okay, good to know :Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
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I'll bump it for him by saying that the base has been giving me really good results. Sure, a maxed out GoWiWi gives me trouble, but that gives maxed TH10s trouble too so i think its a fair exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
See above commentQuote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
Personally im happy he doesnt use multi-quotes in his post because it can be a daunting task fishing through a post full of quotes to see if he's said something worth reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
None the less, even if he was bumping his own thread intentionally, he created a base design that he's proud of that has been getting positive feedback, why hate on that? Let him enjoy the fruit of his labor and when the thread/base has ran its course, then it'll be a non-issue.
I have no idea why you come into OP's thread and bash on him like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
His base design has been serving me and MANY of my clannies very well.
We are on our trophy pushing season and most th9 has used and liked the Baconmaker.
I'm very grateful that OP took the time and dedication to make this thread and answer a lot of our questions.
Instead of "assuming" things, why not give the man credit for his work?
I prefer this base over the other anti-hog bases out there for many reasons:
1) no blind "safe" spots to kill heroes
2) innovative design, not many counters to this base yet
3) staggering hogs to counter anti-hog bases cant be safely used because the CC is unlurable.
4) CC IS UNLURABLE.
/end rant.
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Originally Posted by Zeroith
Thanks a lot to both :) Really appreciate the support, I mean it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItzGoTyme
What/who is OP? Not following :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeroith
Let me give Kamikaze a free bump for this thread, since no actual users are doing it for him (which means the base isn't working for them).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneKamikaze
There you go buddy, you're welcome! :D
How did u put the pics in the thread?
Yeah of course, because obviously the two people I just thanked didnt give a ♥♥♥♥ about this base right? Theres two people I dont even know who are defending my base, doesnt that mean that maybe, just maybe, they like it? And look at all the 300 comments on this thread, even with 100 of them being mine... Doesnt that tell you anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoClash
You're allowed to stop commenting on this thread if you think its sooo bad, nothing's stopping you.
And a tip for your life: Try not being an a$$hole to people just for once, maybe it'll make you just a little bit happier.
I uploaded them to tinypic.com and copied the IMG forum code you're given in the ‘Share your image’ box :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kronos14
Free bump again, please first page people, anoint me the next peabak, who never has to bump his own threads because his Ringus base actually works!
Please please oh pleasssssssse! ;)
Heh heh, we're giving you a hard time Kamikaze, but it's all in good fun. Let the thread breathe on it's own. If you're worthy, it will float, if you're not, it'll sink. The endless bumps are counter-productive.
Cheers and best of luck.
Kami! I'm in th9 yet:p, but want to use your desing in th10! Just a few more legos and up th.