Q&A: Wall Breaker AI and how it works

Of course its not a 100%, because there are other variable to take into account, but based on the types of bases I attack that is my experience with the new wall breakers. The old WB's where not 100% either. I use the new ones different and they work like I want them to (overall yeah they need some work but they are not game breakers)

I generally look for bases built for the type of army i'm brining to battle with me. I don't use wall breakers as the end all be all of my plans to conquer a base. I use them to break through a section not every single wall.

Every base has a week spot. Some more susceptible to the new WB AI others not so much. Do they do odd thing? yes of course they do, they think far too much, like which wall is weaker, which is the shortest path to wall, is there something behind the wall etc. But they can be effective in most situations. They are one and one troops so treat them that way.

Face it none of the troops are really that smart, how many times have you seen a archer shoot a useless wall until she break through? or a giant pound away at a useless target or your dragon start on a straight path then make an odd turn at a resource instead of a defensive item shooting them in the face?

I do appreciate the feed back on my post though thanks guys.

@IceColdMalik:

No one ever said the other troops are smart.. They didnt get an update claiming they WOULD be smarter either.

You can't compare the WBs to archers or giants or barbs or even dragons as WB perform a unique role on attacks. No other troop aim first at walls.

Supercell has added 25 additional walls + the update for WB. Seems like Supercell wants to kill wallbreaking in favor of attacks full of dmg orientated troops.

With how easy it is to not let wallbreaker into your base... I experience very very few wall break attacks but always have a laugh when they attack my single builder hut behind an open long strip.... .

If they would have upped their damage as to 1 lvl 5 wallbreaker for lvl 6 and possibly even 7, the double amount for housing space would make more sense. Without it however it doesn't seem justified that I need 1/4 more housing space for 2/3 of my previous wallbreaker with a very similar or worse result if I keep my usual army.

This is more of question than comment. What constitute partially enclosed situation? Pls reply based on experience.
1. Straight walls with building behind: No
2. Floating/Hanging L shape wall without building enclosed: ? (My WB went side way to detonate unenclosed L wall, but not sure whether it’s bugs or trigger by other incidents)
3. Floating/Hanging L shape wall with building enclosed: ?
4. L shape wall attached to main base, without building enclosed: ?
5. L shape wall attached to main base, with building enclosed: Yes
Is there a test on longest straight wall that wb run around, i.e. will AI decide to detonate and tunnel through straight walls?

It's unlikely the AI has a definition of partially enclosed or protected. It decides if the building is "trapped" on the basis of the path length from spawn point to the building. If it's above the threshold which may be in the 16-17 square ballpark, the building is trapped relative to the spawn point and warrants being freed.

I’ve few straight walls(8pieces) in my base to funnel wbs to hot zones. One observation is the wbs launched in the middle of walls skip the straight walls, ran towards the hot zone, didn’t detonate enclosed base that’s 1-2 box away, u turn at end of walls and running towards in-btw straight wall and base. Didn’t reach final destination but I guess it’s going for the walls btw launch site and straight walls. So in a way it’s not shortest distances, as walls in front of hot zone shd be, if wb ignores the straight walls. So that leads me to question how far will wbs run around straight walls.
I’d increased the straight walls slightly longer since, hoping to see another attack or attempts to tunnel thru straight walls. Unfortunately so far not many attacks or useable data, even after bumping up to 1600s with max gold/elix loot. Hence getting community’s experience and sharing.

Even i already knew the new behaviour of WB, for me personally, new WB is not an upgraded AI but downgraded.
many of my clan members stop playing COC because new WB is really not user friendly, not helpfull, especially for loothing activity.

is supercell do this on purpose in order to make loothing harder and harder, so they "push" us to buy gems?

i think supercell really have to brong back the old dummy WB. I like the dumb WB rather than new smart WB ;)

personally, i already commit to myself that i will not buy gems no matter what the situation. But, if supercell always update with new things that make us harder to loothing, i think stop playing this game will be a "make sense" decision

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Originally Posted by Junliang

^lol'ed, this issue again.

Regarding the issue pertaining to the above, I was discussing with another forum member named Gimme..

For those who still die die want to attack such bases from the sides instead of the edges.. you can try spamming them.

Here is a vid to demostrate.

Take note that this method might not be applicable to some bases.

So use your brain and analyze the base first, whether you should
A) Double up the wall breakers for a double break through
or
B) 2 by 2 accurately send them in

Those crying can continue your whining :cool:

Those who wish to learn/discuss, feel free.

But do take note of the increased risk the tunneling wall breaker has to take because of the lack of distractions.

Credits to Gimme for the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Dhh_48LVqqQ

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This video was good example to use new WB, BUT only if you face againts weaker opponent. I already try this strategy over and over againts equal or a little lower level than me, but new WB really doesnt help to much. Your troops already killed out before you clean all buildings in first layer.

we use WB in purpose to make a path to the target we want (the core), not to liberating unsignificant trapped buildings. Its really ridicilous to waste one or two WB to liberate a trapped single builder hut, only because their AI behaviour is programmed to do that!

old WB much better than new WB, unless supecell want to make us harder to do loothing activity, then new WB succeed to frustate all loothers...

Great... Quote still doesn't work on my Chrome (PC).....


My problem with wallbreakers is this:

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As you can see above... 3 compartments with another 3 compartments behind.

1. I clear the first 3 compartments and opened the middle with wallbreaker or troops
2. If I send wallbreakers they may or may not go for the empty compartments left and right instead of going straight to the second layer of compartments.

This is not "intended" nor logical. Wallbreaker should avoid empty compartments except there is no opening nearby and they want to open a compartment behind that closed (but empty) compartment.

Add here that if we have to clean out every compartment, you need more troops than before, if wallbreakers are intended to "behave" the way they do now, you need more wallbreakers which makes an attacker army less strong than it was before.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

A Wall Breaker’s ultimate goal in life is to liberate buildings that are trapped (fully or partially) by walls :D

How does the Wall Breaker choose its target? Steps 1, 2, 3
1. It will look for the nearest building/turret that is trapped (fully or partially) by walls
2. It will choose the shortest path towards that building and blow up walls that are in its way
3. After the wall is blown up, it will choose the next building that is still trapped by walls, run straight towards it, and blow up walls that are in its way

So Wall Breakers don’t target walls anymore?!?!!1!!!!?
No. Instead of targeting walls, they aim for the main prize, a building that is trapped by walls. The wall just happens to be in its way, and has to be blown up.
That building is the reason why you need that wall taken down, right?

Do Wall Breakers attack buildings?
No. They aim for the building and blow up the wall that is in their path.

Do Wall Breakers favorite junctions?
No. The Wall Breaker will run in a straight line towards the nearest building. When it encounters a wall, it blows it up.

Can I fool Wall Breakers by using spikes or short decoy wall sections?
No. They won't be fooled by those.

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I was just wondering