Q&A: Wall Breaker AI and how it works

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March 14th, 2013
RagEho

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

That's an excellent picture, thank you for bringing this up!! I edited the original Q&A post, because the Wall Breakers have a range, it's 1/2 village. That's why the last ones didn't run to the other side of the village :)

Marika liked my picture... *slow broadening grin*:D

Thank you for the explanation and post edit! Much appreciated!!
March 14th, 2013
Mazur6913

After many dollars spent, i give up on this game

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

A Wall Breaker’s ultimate goal in life is to liberate buildings that are trapped (fully or partially) by walls :D

How does the Wall Breaker choose its target? Steps 1, 2, 3
1. It will look for the nearest building/turret that is trapped (fully or partially) by walls
2. It will choose the shortest path towards that building and blow up walls that are in its way
3. After the wall is blown up, it will choose the next building that is still trapped by walls, run straight towards it, and blow up walls that are in its way

So Wall Breakers don’t target walls anymore?!?!!1!!!!?
No. Instead of targeting walls, they aim for the main prize, a building that is trapped by walls. The wall just happens to be in its way, and has to be blown up.
That building is the reason why you need that wall taken down, right?

Do Wall Breakers attack buildings?
No. They aim for the building and blow up the wall that is in their path.

Do Wall Breakers favorite junctions?
No. The Wall Breaker will run in a straight line towards the nearest building. When it encounters a wall, it blows it up.

Can I fool Wall Breakers by using spikes or short decoy wall sections?
No. They won't be fooled by those.

After 82 levels and about $500 dollars spent on this game, I am through. These new wallbreakers have made it impossible to go for the walls I want them to go for. I have not won a single battle since the update and it really is just more stress then anything when going into battle. I used to think it was fun and easy to battle and now I want to smash my iPad every time I send the wallbreakers in and they just run off into a bunch of different directions to go after the targets THEY think are important. I know what target I want to go for and I could go for it with the old wallbreakers. I won't be back spending money on this game or even playing it until I hear something about the old wallbreakers. Peace out SuperCell and your garbage update that ruined a great game for me and many more.
March 14th, 2013
SolSource

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

OMG, Tim! Man after my own heart!
Bleeping wallies blew a mile wide gap in the main wall (10 times! They blew up 10 times!)
DESPITE my clearing EVERYTHING!

& when I tried describing it to my clannies, they thought I was crazy!!!!!

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This little Potato is not crazy! Her faith in the game has been restored!! She won't have to quit after all!!!!!

IMO - this is exactly what "should" happen. It sounds as though you guys just want a super easy time getting to the center of any base.

I played for 16hrs straight yesterday, running 20 WB in every army comp and never experienced this. I place decoys, couple WB, finish off outside buildings, then WB in to next layer. Similar bases as pictured.

Maybe what is frustrating you is the new strategy part? It is clear the WB's are much better than before and still have base designs they "favor" as before. You just can't take 100% resources in 30 secs with 1/2 or less of your army. Is this the real problem.

There are so many repeats and I think if you would spend more time playing, less time complaining then you will learn the new AI as I have. Also, Junliang seems to have it mostly figured out, but I think the update, especially new WB AI is brilliant! Well done!
March 14th, 2013
SolSource

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Originally Posted by Mazur6913

After 82 levels and about $500 dollars spent on this game, I am through. These new wallbreakers have made it impossible to go for the walls I want them to go for. I have not won a single battle since the update and it really is just more stress then anything when going into battle. I used to think it was fun and easy to battle and now I want to smash my iPad every time I send the wallbreakers in and they just run off into a bunch of different directions to go after the targets THEY think are important. I know what target I want to go for and I could go for it with the old wallbreakers. I won't be back spending money on this game or even playing it until I hear something about the old wallbreakers. Peace out SuperCell and your garbage update that ruined a great game for me and many more.

With the bad comes the good. I am a huge fan of the new update and I too have spent close to $500 on gems and have 4 members of my household playing along with me now.

People don't like learning curves, but even more they are lazy and want things for free. I deal with this with my employees all the time. And, I let them quit and find a better match. :)
March 14th, 2013
SolSource

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Originally Posted by MrAwesomeBunny

Junliang how are you going to clear the first level out and then go to the second. Your giants will probably be dead and the mortars/wizards will kill everything else.

Just watch the video before posting dude! Great job Junliang!
March 14th, 2013
SolSource

Junliang,

I have a ton of respect for you man! Keep it up! Great vid! I am with you, I am favoring the new WB AI by a lot. (It seems this is the case with your posts) I also am loving the learning curve! Keeps the excitement going!

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Originally Posted by Junliang

My answer is as per follow: The building that are STILL at the first layer attracted the wall breaker.
If those buildings are cleared, it wouldn't happen.

Then again, if those buildings at the first layer that wasn't fully enclose is able to attract the wall breaker, then something is wrong.

But personally, i will destroy all the buildings first before moving on, so not an issue to me.

Skip to 1:10 for the actual battle.

*Ignore the 4th wall breaker, mis-judged the distance from that edge to the 3rd layer.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKxc7...OTkr8&index=13
March 15th, 2013
Shrimpy

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Originally Posted by Mazur6913

After 82 levels and about $500 dollars spent on this game, I am through. These new wallbreakers have made it impossible to go for the walls I want them to go for. I have not won a single battle since the update and it really is just more stress then anything when going into battle. I used to think it was fun and easy to battle and now I want to smash my iPad every time I send the wallbreakers in and they just run off into a bunch of different directions to go after the targets THEY think are important. I know what target I want to go for and I could go for it with the old wallbreakers. I won't be back spending money on this game or even playing it until I hear something about the old wallbreakers. Peace out SuperCell and your garbage update that ruined a great game for me and many more.

Seriously give the new WBs a chance. I too was frustrated initially.
To say you never win a game using the new WBs is really too extreme.
I am also trying to figure out and used more troops than usual but I still managed to win battles.
There are a lot of useful info in this thread so read them up. I won't spill the beans for you.
If you are to lazy to read and learn, please give up the game.
March 15th, 2013
Shrimpy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junliang

My answer is as per follow: The building that are STILL at the first layer attracted the wall breaker.
If those buildings are cleared, it wouldn't happen.

Then again, if those buildings at the first layer that wasn't fully enclose is able to attract the wall breaker, then something is wrong.

But personally, i will destroy all the buildings first before moving on, so not an issue to me.

Skip to 1:10 for the actual battle.

*Ignore the 4th wall breaker, mis-judged the distance from that edge to the 3rd layer.*

Thanks for the post.
I thought your 2nd WB will go for the boxed air defence. Normally thats what happen to me.
Is it because the 1st layer buildings were cleared or the distance to the 2nd layer walls are nearer than the walls at the air defence?
March 15th, 2013
Junliang

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Originally Posted by SolSource

Junliang,

I have a ton of respect for you man! Keep it up! Great vid! I am with you, I am favoring the new WB AI by a lot. (It seems this is the case with your posts) I also am loving the learning curve! Keeps the excitement going!

:D Haha Thanks for the kinds word man, appreciate it :o
Yeah, I'm in favour of the new wb as well :)
Check out the "curve balls" that the new wall breaker can throw now, not to mention "homing target" capability haha ! ;) :p

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Originally Posted by Shrimpy

Thanks for the post.
I thought your 2nd WB will go for the boxed air defence. Normally thats what happen to me.
Is it because the 1st layer buildings were cleared or the distance to the 2nd layer walls are nearer than the walls at the air defence?

Welcome.

Its the latter.

Here is a picture that should clear your doubt.

5 CM vs 6CM, thats why the wall breaker took the shorter path :)

http://i45.tinypic.com/deb9fd.jpg

@Marika
By the way, I think there might be a possible bug with the new wall breaker.
The most reasonable complain I have seen and made sense regarding the new wb is as illustrate in the diagram below.
Diagram credits to vanzabee.
http://forum.supercell.net/attachmen...8&d=1363318663

I personally destroy all of the first layer before moving on, but I see their point.

If its true that those buildings at the first layer, that are not fully enclosed, is being able to attract the wall breaker, then i would say its an issue.
Care to share this with the development team ? :o
March 15th, 2013
speedygonzalis

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Originally Posted by Junliang

@Marika
By the way, I think there might be a possible bug with the new wall breaker.
The most reasonable complain I have seen and made sense regarding the new wb is as illustrate in the diagram below.
Diagram credits to vanzabee.
http://forum.supercell.net/attachmen...8&d=1363318663

I personally destroy all of the first layer before moving on, but I see their point.

If its true that those buildings at the first layer, that are not fully enclosed, is being able to attract the wall breaker, then i would say its an issue.
Care to share this with the development team ? :o

i just noticed if the top wall breaks off with a small opening, the rest of the wall breakers try to widen up the gap. so after the first one, the following two wall breakers would make the first gap wider, the fourth one follows the blue line to go for the inner wall even if the buildings aren't completely destroyed.

so with the new AI, 2 of the Wall breakers get wasted, with the new wall breakers occupying two housing units from the camps, this is very unacceptable. our troop size for a battle is very limited due to this. on top of that we also need to clear the buildings before we can proceed with the inner walls.

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