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i agree.
i like the old wb better than the new one.
and the new one use 2 housing space!
it's totally overrated for this new AI

Yeah, honestly I'm stunned SC released this. It's much dumber. Deep base penetration no longer possible. Almost like it wasn't even tested

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

Yeah, honestly I'm stunned SC released this. It's much dumber. Deep base penetration no longer possible. Almost like it wasn't even tested

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This. I get it that they want to remove the spikes so people with difficulities can start using WB with more success, but this looks like it's beta testing, yet it's released. Tunneling at a straight line isn't possible it seems.

Yeah, this is exactly as I predicted in the WB thread, you can no longer drill, which makes it much worse. So now you need 18 wbs to accomplish what you could before with 6. Oh, and they take 36 space instead of 6.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...509#post246509

~Jeff

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Originally Posted by GameShaman

I have a bad feeling this update is actually going to make the wall break AI worse in some situations.

For example, those bases that have a bunch of squares, but you could drill straight in through 3 layers of walls to get to the middle.

Now, I think the new AI won't let you go straight in, it will go for the adjacent squares first. Simple example:

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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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In the base above, an X is a wall and an S is an open space. In this base, normally you would be able to get get in the middle with 6 wall breakers:

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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
ZSSSZSSSZSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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So you could get in where the 3 Z's are. But with the new AI, assuming you release them from the same spot, I think it will try to be "smart" and go for the nearest enclosed wall section:

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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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ZSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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So, releasing at the same spot, to get to the middle, you might need 18 wall breakers:

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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
ZSSSZSSSZSSSXSSSXSSSX
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XSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSXSSSX
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I hope I am not correct in this theory, but I fear it may be based on the limited youtube video. If so, the new AI would actually be worse than the old AI. If it doesn't support drilling in a straight line from where you launch your wall breakers, this is going to make the AI worse. Add to that the increased space and you may need to use 4-6x as much space in wall breakers to accomplish the same thing you could before.

~Jeff

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Very first use I had and had two walls to break with distance between and they acted just as before. 1st wall broken, then next wb straight through gap for 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

Yeah, honestly I'm stunned SC released this. It's much dumber. Deep base penetration no longer possible. Almost like it wasn't even tested

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At least spikes had tactics that worked against them, quite frustrating. More than a couple times leading up to this release I said something along the lines of "I don't think supercell would release an AI update that would reduce the intelligence". As of right now I consider myself wrong.

edit: Jeff I think I said the paraphrased quote above to your post with all the ASCII. Man were you right!

Take them back to 1 housing space sc!!

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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

At least spikes had tactics that worked against them, quite frustrating. More than a couple times leading up to this release I said something along the lines of "I don't think supercell would release an AI update that would reduce the intelligence". As of right now I consider myself wrong.

edit: Jeff I think I said the paraphrased quote above to your post with all the ASCII. Man were you right!

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Yeah, you did, lol. But I saw how they were acting in that small vid they released and knew this was going to be worse. They are only better on the first layer of walls. Anything after that is significantly worse. =(

~Jeff

Stupid!! Broke through first wall with giants then deployed wbs...they went AWAY from where I had already broken through and went AWAY from where i was attacking!!!

AND NOW X2 housing...

Jeff I saw your OP and was hoping you were wrong. This is just absurd. We'll learn the new AI eventually, but as of right now it's horrible. Brb going to opposite side of wall instead of straight line.