Cost of losing CW will mean only elites will play it soon

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Originally Posted by RawFodog

Elites? Sorry. But it's same level playing field here. You are matched based on your team's total technology not based on luck.

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...which doesnt, for a start, take into account walls. At TH 7 & 8 particularly walls make a huge difference. Clan we're up against has all lv6/7 walls even with TH7. Many of ours don't. Activity is also massive issue without opt-out option.

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Originally Posted by RawFodog

Different timezone is not an issue either, the war is 24 hour based.

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You missed my point - if one clan gets a big head start because of wake times it puts pressure on the other team because they don't want to waste money on a war that might look like its already lost.

Bottom line is - some clans are much better than others - more skill, more participation, more coordination. Levelling for tech is only part of the story. Clans that are not so good at those things will lose a lot of resources, and will likely stop playing CW. Which could lead to a knock on effect as the average clans find themselves only facing good ones, and also start giving up on it.

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Originally Posted by RawFodog

The loot for clan wars is really attractive! 800+k gold for 2 attacks? That's very attractive!

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I might get 400k for scoring a star against a top base, but I sure as hell wont get more than one star, no matter what i spend. Which is bad for the clan. A good game against a 200k base will get me 3 stars, but cost that much to do.

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Originally Posted by Nmills

The only thing clan wars costs you is 2 armies.

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Lolwot......

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

With this experience, increasing the "losers reward" would only encourage this kind of behavior IMO. When a member think the enemy clan is too strong (probably not true) they will go for the "dummy" high leveled base with 5 archers and reaps a ton of war loot. Even purposely losing a war will net you huge loot profit, probably even more than going all out in attacks and winning.

Tell me, where is the challange and excitement if most of our wars are like that?

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Your argument doesn't stack up to me. (Note btw I said nothing about big rewards for losing, I'm talking about ensuring that the loser doesnt have big losses.)

Firstly, I've been in 3 cw so far and not seen this tactic, and if it does become common so will awareness of it. Then its on clan leaders to make sure it doesn't happen. Ultimately players doing this are screwing their clan so it doesn't make sense from an income perspective either way to do it, as if your clan loses you get less.

Second, more importantly, if you can't lose elixir from CW then people can focus on actually scoring stars rather than worrying about loot.

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Originally Posted by BattlesAatlas

Firstly, I've been in 3 cw so far and not seen this tactic, and if it does become common so will awareness of it.

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Its more common that you think.

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Originally Posted by BattlesAatlas

The reward for winning is ok - nothing special but more than covers costs, certainly once you include gold.

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NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

I spent over 1 million elixir on our last war passing out dragons and wizards to CC and WC. Clan Wars is totally not worth it. Its just another game to make things interesting, but I'm already over it. Back to farming for walls.

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Originally Posted by adrock

Its more common that you think.



NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

I spent over 1 million elixir on our last war passing out dragons and wizards to CC and WC. Clan Wars is totally not worth it. Its just another game to make things interesting, but I'm already over it. Back to farming for walls.

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Fair point, I didnt even consider what the top members of the clan end up paying supporting the rest through their castles.

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Originally Posted by BattlesAatlas

Your argument doesn't stack up to me. (Note btw I said nothing about big rewards for losing, I'm talking about ensuring that the loser doesnt have big losses.)

Firstly, I've been in 3 cw so far and not seen this tactic, and if it does become common so will awareness of it. Then its on clan leaders to make sure it doesn't happen. Ultimately players doing this are screwing their clan so it doesn't make sense from an income perspective either way to do it, as if your clan loses you get less.

Second, more importantly, if you can't lose elixir from CW then people can focus on actually scoring stars rather than worrying about loot.

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You're changing arguements? From your OP, I rekon you would like the losers of a CW to be imbursed with more war loot, thus I said that even the increase of "losers reward" only until just enough to cover their losses in elixir and DE could result in possible abuse of the CW system. And now, you're saying you dont want to lose any resource from training troops specially for clan wars?

So many things that wont benefit players in clan war can come to if troops are free. Why do you think a lot of coc players agree that offense outperform defense right now? Its because of the very expensive troops available. They are rarely used in the lower leagues because of their costs and we have a fairly balanced fight between offense and defense there. Cut off the only limiting factor for people not using GoWiWi by giving them for free... Clan wars will be one hell of a circus show, and all the gold farming for defense upgrades would go to waste in CW...

To your first point, on awareness and leadership control of said tactic, if the reward are even, say a maximum of 200k gold/elixir from a lost in clan war, (you mentioned that it should at least cover the cost of an all out attack) clans that have the sole purpose to snipe the highest exposed townhall and winning the loot bonus will be created and the tactic of having one townhall exposed in a clan will be widely used. (That is exactly whats happening with the exposed th used to cheap shield villages for loot protection)

So no to increasing the CW loser's war loot and a big definite NO if CWs would have troops for free.....

That is my opinion and I stated my reasons for believing that. I DO hope that it would stack up to you. At least say why it does not stack up to you.

Stack... I kinda like that word...


Peace

Fair point on free armies unbalancing it, so cover cost of army up to a cap, using some algorithm like the one that decides how much loot you lose in an raid on your base.

As for TH sniping, it seems pretty dumb to me that at the moment 1 star and 3 stars give you the same loot. Have the pay out only trigger for 2 or 3 star attacks - that way the attacker has to commit.

When we lose our current clan war, as it looks like we will, I reckon each player will be out for - depending on lv and contributions to others' CCs - somewhere between 300k-1m elixir or dark equivalent. I just don't see less successful clans sticking with that once the novelty of CW wears off. That will be a shame for keeping players engaged, and it will also mean less wins for better clans, as the competition between the remaining CW clans will be fiercer.

We had never loss yet I don't get
The all costs back....
so we have to fix this to play ...

its actually a load on high level players bcaz they are the ones donating in moat of war castles. so reward should b higher for top 10 players. and 400k hardly covers that. it may b just two attacks for lower level players of clan. but not for higher level.

and back to original post... well at the moment supercell is saying that matching system is very liberal. this is to avoid 0 matches. but they say they will improve that. and if members are not active in clan than get rid of that. obviously if a clan wins bcaz it is more active than that clan deserves a reward and looser must rethink its strategy and member activity. fear of having near to zero loot on loosing the war will keep members active. otherwise most of them dont bother

Just resurrecting this thread to say "told you so!".

CW has gone absolutely the way I thought it would in the OP of this thread. Its become really hardcore, which is dumb in a casual game. My clan have got better as we've fought (improving tactics, kicking lames and inactives) but its getting hard to compete. We won 8 of our first 10 clan wars. In the last 3 we've lost two and drawn one. Even before that the margin we were winning by was falling.

The problem is that the economics dont make sense for losing clans. Its too expensive. Bad clans lose a lot and so stop playing. That means average clans become the worst teams in the match maker, so they start losing and stop playing. Then its the good clans that are losing to the great clans... On and on until only the most hardcore clans are still competing. That is what seems to be happening now.

I'd love to see the numbers on how many clans are taking part in CW. I would not be surprised if the numbers have fallen off a cliff. Supercell need to adjust the loot if they want CW to be as popular as it should be. Its called Clash of Clans after all! Silly if only 10% of clans are clashing...