Cost of losing CW will mean only elites will play it soon

I think SC have done a really great job with the CW, but I think the implementation is flawed with big consequences. The reward for winning is ok - nothing special but more than covers costs, certainly once you include gold. But the loser gets almost nothing. I think the result of this will be that very quickly CW becomes only played by a minority of elite clans, because for everyone else it will be too expensive.

The first two wars my clan won, was great. We were playing against 'average' clans, that only used about 2/3rds of their attacks, and had some less than brilliant bases. The current war is against a really good clan though - all active and all have well laid out bases. I think pretty quickly the average clans are going to disappear from the CW because they lose too many fights and so resources. And once a few start going its snowballs, as that means less average clans in the matchmaker, and less chance for remaining average clans to fight a team they can beat.

Needs one of two solutions to save it I think - either better payback for the losing team (would be really nice if everyone got their costs returned at least, so everyone fielded the best army they could), and/or league tables (which is what I expect will come) which give lower clans a chance. Problem with league tables is it will take a long time for them to settle into a ranking that reflects clans abilities, and time isn't really something that casual games have on their side - clans can rise and fall pretty quickly but leagues take weeks or months!

Edit: another option is a matchmaker that takes previous record into account, so clans that lose get other clans that lose. This punishes good clans though by making them play harder teams. Still think the best solution is better rewards. Loser should get their costs back, winner gets costs back plus bonus.

Even the cost of winning doesn't pay back what I'm spending. I can't afford to keep going to war (the most fun part of the game imo) if I want to improve my base or troops. This system is broken and needs to be improved.

Yeah I dont disagree when just considering elixir (I'm not really using dark troops at mo so can't comment on that). I have an army that costs about 100-150k, plus three spells is upwards of 60k, so the 200k I get for winning a good battle against an equal base is not enough.

I think SC have gone low with the rewards to protect the game economy, but its too low right now if they want lots of clans to participate.

Bottom line is, any clan wars set up needs clans who lose! Someone has to lose in a head to head, and if the cost of losing is so high, few clans who lose more than they win will bother playing it. So you're in the end left with just a few hardcore clans playing it, who do it just for the competition rather than the rewards (as at that stage the high level of competition will mean competing clans all average to a ~50% win rate, which isnt enough to profit from CW.

I understand where you are coming from. However look at the other side of this. Elite clans waging war use up much MUCH more resources than us. The bigger they are the harder they fall. I do not think that average clans will start to snowball and no one (average) will be using clan wars. If big clans go to war the losers feel the loss much more than lower ranked clans.

It is my opinion that soon down the road the "smart" clans will realize that a break is needed between wars to regain resources or farm or just take a breather. And I also firmly believe that clan wars is helping against hoppers. I know my clan has seen a significant reduction in hoppers. Clan wars helps to define which members are most loyal, and it gives the clan a sense of teamwork and direction to work towards a unified goal, much more so than simply donating.

All in all I realize that losing is never fun and it can seriously put a dent in resources. But it gives the game something that players have wanted for a long time. I don't think anyone will just stop because it is hard.

Don't get me wrong I love the update. But I still think it will happen as I've laid out about. Certainly until there is an end game to clan wars. At the moment there is no progress to it, its just one off battles. That makes resource rewards more important. If some kind of league table or similar comes in, when the top teams get a bonus at the end of the season, that would help. It would focus attention on the competition rather than the prize. There isn't really enough glory without it.

I think the current way of things also has other negative effects. Clans are often in different timezones. At the moment our mainly western clan is fighting one that from the look of it is mainly asia. By the time most of us woke up today we're already 25 stars down. When you know losing the game will mean you get f*** all resources, its really hard to motivate people to use the best army (ie most expensive) they can. But if the losing team got their elixir back, everyone wouldn't have to face that call.

Elites? Sorry. But it's same level playing field here. You are matched based on your team's total technology not based on luck.
Different timezone is not an issue either, the war is 24 hour based.
If there's player in your clan that is only online once a week then I suggest you guys to coordinate?
Like making the war happen every weekend or take a break for a day after every war?
There's a reason why it's called a clan. Everyone need to get together and discuss. If a clan member is not attacking at all in the clan war ask him why and try to get over the problem. Honestly though. The loot for clan wars is really attractive! 800+k gold for 2 attacks? That's very attractive!

That's why they need to make a fix to have clan members opt in wars. This way you get more people who are serious about playing. The system needs improvements for sure.

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Originally Posted by Comeatmebro505

Even the cost of winning doesn't pay back what I'm spending. I can't afford to keep going to war (the most fun part of the game imo) if I want to improve my base or troops. This system is broken and needs to be improved.

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You need to consider the payout of the target as well. So far we have been seeing people using very expensive armies ( at times even losing badly with them ) when the same end result could have been gotten with far less. CW is even more of picking the right tool for the right job them the normal game.

Also you can analyse the situation so in the end people can use their attacks to snipe a th as so far all three wars have had atleast one th on the outside for us to snipe after victory has been pretty much guaranteed.

While making the spoils for the loser higher in CWs might seem to encourage losing players to go all out to even the odds or win the clan war because they will lose nothing even if their clan lost, it will certainly put a slightly disadvantaged clan to go all out for the loot.

My first CW, the top most enemy village (which holds the most loot reward) have his/her townhall outside for clan war. Seeing this, some of the greedier clanmates of mine shamelessly 1 starred the huge base twice just to get the max clan war loot. (He is at th 8 and have maxed army for his th) and a few others actuakly spends an attack for the "easy loot".

They stopped it however when I mentioned that is a trick/tactic of the enemy clan to make us waste our "ammo" and losing the cw will result in near zero loot. The guy who started it and 1 starred the trickster twice got warned and almost got kicked out before the clan war is over, but the clan show a bit of pity by agreeing to kick him after the clan war. (Being kicked before the clan war is over will forfeit you of any spoils of war, win or lose)

We won the clan war in the end and the greedy guy got his boot immedietly after we confirmed he got his war loot inside his cc. (It was filled to the max so he have lost much from that too)

With this experience, increasing the "losers reward" would only encourage this kind of behavior IMO. When a member think the enemy clan is too strong (probably not true) they will go for the "dummy" high leveled base with 5 archers and reaps a ton of war loot. Even purposely losing a war will net you huge loot profit, probably even more than going all out in attacks and winning.

Tell me, where is the challange and excitement if most of our wars are like that?

The only thing clan wars costs you is 2 armies.