TH level DOES matter in clan wars.

After a couple of clan wars, I have come to the conclusion that TH level DOES matter. The main reason is just for the sheer volume of defenses you can get. I don't care if you are a preemie TH 10 you still can have up to 2 IT's AND 3 Xbows. Even at level one they can do considerable damage to troops... even if you have low level walls... which leads me to point 2.

Matchmaking bases on walls is pretty irrelevant. I have seen so many balloon, dragon and hog attacks that using walls as some determiner of the matchmaking process is kind of irrelevant.

All of this is just my .02 so far from what I have seen.

Which side would you rather be on... 10 level 10 TH with level 10/11 walls or 25 level 10 th with a bunch of pink/purple walls??

I am sure they will tweak the matchmaking process at some point once SC collect all the data from clan wars but I think the level of your TH should some how be incorporated into the equation.

Agreed it does matter.. But... I'll be looking forward to the match when our clan is the one with more th9s. The matches can still feel pretty even if theirs outnumber ours though. Our last match finished 96-97 ( we lost :\ ). They had 6 more th9s than we had, but we also had 2 th10s while they only had one. Didn't stop one of our th10s from being 2starred though.

Correct, town hall level does matter.

Overall, I agree with your thoughts here. I think the importance of walls should be tweaked (read: adjusted down). In my first clan battle, my TH9 base was the top ranked base in our clan, over some of our Th10s. Yet the top bases from the opposing clans were all TH10s with upgraded infernos, 3 xbows, but lower level walls. The best I could hope for was a two star while they had a pretty good chance of three starring me. Our bases were not evenly matched. I think the reason for this is the importance of wall level in the match making formula is overstated. Just a small tweak is needed to adjust up the importance of TH level and decrease the importance of wall level in the matchmaking process.

TH is accounted for indirectly in clan wars matchmaking by taking into account the total number of defenses etc.

In my clan I was ranked as the fourth strongest base as a nearly maxed TH9, the 3 guys ahead of me all had much lower wall levels, lower levels on all defenses, lower hero levels, but have two inferno towers and 3 x-bows each.

Personally I feel that the matching is pretty decent as far as the weighting of the different factors as it is.

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Originally Posted by mgd6912

Which side would you rather be on... 10 level 10 TH with level 10/11 walls or 25 level 10 th with a bunch of pink/purple walls??

I am sure they will tweak the matchmaking process at some point once SC collect all the data from clan wars but I think the level of your TH should some how be incorporated into the equation.

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I see your point, but I understand the formula is intended to work on the level of the defences. So on average a TH10 bases has stronger defences that a lower TH, so in effect TH is incorporated albeit indirectly.

With regard to premmie TH10s with ITs and low level defences, this just a matter of how highly they rate the IT relative to a particular lvl of mortar/WT etc.

SC accept that matchmaking may need to be tweaked in future, but this is something that will come out in their data.

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Originally Posted by Kirky

I see your point, but I understand the formula is intended to work on the level of the defences. So on average a TH10 bases has stronger defences that a lower TH, so in effect TH is incorporated albeit indirectly.

With regard to premmie TH10s with ITs and low level defences, this just a matter of how highly they rate the IT relative to a particular lvl of mortar/WT etc.

SC accept that matchmaking may need to be tweaked in future, but this is something that will come out in their data.

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This right here... I'm a close to maxed th 9 and they matched me up with a premature th 10 that had lvl 1 infernos. His defenses were pretty low but the point is that his infernos must have been rated high for us to be matched up. The pairing was definitely fair overall but if his raiding skills were included in the rating maybe not so much. ;)

The only thing is that th 9's have pretty much no tools to use against infernos. No freeze and hogs are useless.

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Originally Posted by mgd6912

After a couple of clan wars, I have come to the conclusion that TH level DOES matter. The main reason is just for the sheer volume of defenses you can get. I don't care if you are a preemie TH 10 you still can have up to 2 IT's AND 3 Xbows. Even at level one they can do considerable damage to troops... even if you have low level walls... which leads me to point 2.

Matchmaking bases on walls is pretty irrelevant. I have seen so many balloon, dragon and hog attacks that using walls as some determiner of the matchmaking process is kind of irrelevant.

All of this is just my .02 so far from what I have seen.

Which side would you rather be on... 10 level 10 TH with level 10/11 walls or 25 level 10 th with a bunch of pink/purple walls??

I am sure they will tweak the matchmaking process at some point once SC collect all the data from clan wars but I think the level of your TH should some how be incorporated into the equation.

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The premature players have an advantage in defence but its still easy to beat them if you plan it right. Also so far ive found out the premature players on the opposition teams don't have a clue what they are doing in attack so I guess it evens out in the end I guess!

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Originally Posted by Crunkstation

The premature players have an advantage in defence but its still easy to beat them if you plan it right. Also so far ive found out they don't have a clue what they are doing in attack so I guess it evens out in the end I guess!

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Ha ha, exactly. I was so nervous I thought the premature th 10 was gunning for me then he failed to 1 star one of our mediocre th 8's. So great.

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Originally Posted by Killerskull1234

Do you even read? It doesn't Its probably that just those couple extra defenses probably add a lot to defense. I've seen many TH 9s above th 10s and same with otera

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On the whole the average TH10 is rated higher than the average TH9. Why? because the formula works on base strength and a higher TH generally has higher defences than a TH9.

Th level is a reasonable indicator of the strength even if it does not feature in the matchmaking directly.

My clan only has 2 townhall 10, a few townhall 9, and mostly 7s and 8s. We were matched with a clan with more townhall 9s and 10s, but a lot of townhall 6, 7s, and 8s. Match was in our favor because we could still one star the th10s, but we had many more 3 stars on the lower end.
Early post was right that people with a preemie base usually have attacking skills one or two town halls below their level, and the matchmaking is hurting them.

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Originally Posted by Crunkstation

The premature players have an advantage in defence but its still easy to beat them if you plan it right. Also so far ive found out the premature players on the opposition teams don't have a clue what they are doing in attack so I guess it evens out in the end I guess!

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This is one the fun things about CW, seeing some of the attempts at raiding. The best I've seen so far is a TH7 trying to use giants, wizard, archers and 2 dragons to raid a TH6 and getting 46% leaving 3 untouched camps and builders hut at the edge of the map not covered by the defences. I wish I could share, but that sort of thing is beyond me....

and they will get matched against other th10s and advanced th9s.

They may be able to hold up defensively, but they will not be able to win on attack, and their weaker clan members will be destroyed.

If you rush your town hall and ignore building up the rest of your defenses and armies good luck looting and defending the resources required to fund those high level defenses like xbows and inferno towers. Anyone who does this is in for a world of hurt.

Your premie is also going to have near the weight of bases that give you a garbage war loot bonus in CWs.



p.s. Just competing with the OP for the title of captain obvious.

My daughter's clan, mostly TH7, had a TH10 in the clan they were matched up against, and it was so premature that it ranked in the bottom half of the opposition. It was ranked about right, because it has only one low level wizard tower, three mortars about level 5, three tessla level 1, no infernos, low level cannons and archer towers, low level walls, etc etc. So it was really about the same as a slightly prem TH8.

I ran her attacks because she was busy, and got a 1-star win with 195 level 4 barbs and archers, 2 heal spells, and a clan castle of level 3 giants (she has a TH7). No great skill was applied, I just drew the clan castle, then spread barbs and archers around the outsides before focusing in on the TH more. I only missed a second star due to time running out before my last minion finished the TH. So yeah, it was about the right match.

One of the things clan wars seems to be trying to do is teach us how to attack similar th level bases. As a farmer I love easy bases but knowing how to attack a th thats the same as yours , eg your a th10 have 2 inferno towers they are th10 and have them. It's not necessarily easy but everybody should have a strategy for attacking stronger bases. And clan wars is teaching us that.

The war we are in atm my clan has 10 TH10s most of which we just made it to TH10 with max TH9 defenses lvl 8 walls and such.. We got paired with a clan with 24! TH10s.. All have 2 infernos except 2 them.. And most them have atleast 1 lvl 2 inferno... And our average hero level is around 17 or so so they all have lvl 10-29 heroes.. We have 2 TH8s aswell do they.. But they have then the rest are TH9s same with ours.. But they have 14 more TH10s than us all with mostly pink walls and infernos -___- Not fair and the top guy even has better def than our top guy.. The only thing our guy has over theres is walls there guys are lvl 8-9 ours is lvl 9-11 mostly 10 �� Dont see how this is fair lol
And dont say they should have bad troops or not know how to attack because more half their clan is in master 3+

I agree with OP 100%.A premie is still a premie,but with inferno towers or ex-bows- it really makes a difference since I am nearly maxed TH8 and with lv5 troop best I can hope is 1 star for TH10 and possibly 2 stars for a TH9.It is just ridiculous!

I was wondering how come matchmaking did not go in our favour once just one time?Always stronger clans and yet the funny thing is we won both wars easily so far.I put a lot of effort organizing the clan, making strategies, giving advice how to attack etc. but it is starting to annoy me a lot because it is time consuming and frustating!!!

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Originally Posted by mgd6912

After a couple of clan wars, I have come to the conclusion that TH level DOES matter. The main reason is just for the sheer volume of defenses you can get. I don't care if you are a preemie TH 10 you still can have up to 2 IT's AND 3 Xbows. Even at level one they can do considerable damage to troops... even if you have low level walls... which leads me to point 2.

Matchmaking bases on walls is pretty irrelevant. I have seen so many balloon, dragon and hog attacks that using walls as some determiner of the matchmaking process is kind of irrelevant.

All of this is just my .02 so far from what I have seen.

Which side would you rather be on... 10 level 10 TH with level 10/11 walls or 25 level 10 th with a bunch of pink/purple walls??

I am sure they will tweak the matchmaking process at some point once SC collect all the data from clan wars but I think the level of your TH should some how be incorporated into the equation.

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Yep.
Why do we need 10 chars?

I feel that it is actually specific defenses that play the largest role in a war bases "strength" as determined by the game. Compared to one of my clanmates, I all my defenses as well as heroes are either higher or the same level and my walls outclass his by a long shot (skulls and legos to his purple crystal and skulls). However, the only thing he had higher than me were his two lv 3 x-bows compared to my two lv 1 ones. This was apparently enough to have him ranked three above my war base despite having practically all defenses, walls, and heroes more upgraded.
I would love to see what degree specific defenses play a role in a base's strength. Apparently 2 lv 3 X-bows are better than the difference of all defenses combined. :l

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Originally Posted by mgd6912

After a couple of clan wars, I have come to the conclusion that TH level DOES matter. The main reason is just for the sheer volume of defenses you can get. I don't care if you are a preemie TH 10 you still can have up to 2 IT's AND 3 Xbows. Even at level one they can do considerable damage to troops... even if you have low level walls... which leads me to point 2.

Matchmaking bases on walls is pretty irrelevant. I have seen so many balloon, dragon and hog attacks that using walls as some determiner of the matchmaking process is kind of irrelevant.

All of this is just my .02 so far from what I have seen.

Which side would you rather be on... 10 level 10 TH with level 10/11 walls or 25 level 10 th with a bunch of pink/purple walls??

I am sure they will tweak the matchmaking process at some point once SC collect all the data from clan wars but I think the level of your TH should some how be incorporated into the equation.

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Yea its real sad to see my lvl 8 walls get jumped over by Mr.T on a pig. Funny thing is that it was the top guy in their team using lvl 5 hogs on me, a TH8. Sad because he doesnt know how to attack th9/10s so he chooses me. This time i prepared for this and prepared an anti hog base. No one has attacked me yet... :)

I agree on the wall thing, most of my clan uses air raids, because its much easier since you fly right over those walls. WBs are brain dead skeletons anyways, why not have a brain dead skeleton in a balloon that flies over walls with minion back up buddies that throw up what theyre made of?