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The title says it all!
Oh well, as I do, on every new update, I start looking in the game files. Here are the results:
Troop Level Training Time Training Cost (de) Lab HP Damage Minion 1 45s 6 1 55 35 2 7 5 60 38 3 8 6 66 42 4 9 6 72 46 5 10 7 80 50
Troop Level Training Time Training Cost (de) Lab HP Damage Hog Rider 1 300s 30 1 300 50 2 35 5 345 58 3 40 6 400 66 4 45 6 460 76 5 50 7 525 90
Troop Level Training Time Training Cost (de) Lab HP Damage Valkyrie 1 900s 100 1 750 60 2 120 6 825 66 3 140 7 910 72 4 160 7 1000 80
So, The minion and the hog rider are available for th7, on the other hand, th9&8 can unlock every troop. TH9 will ONLY be able to max those troops.
- Pekka's training time is decreased to 45 mins.
Building Level Building Time Building res Cost Dark Elixir Barrack 1 3 days Elixir 750,000 2 5 days Elixir 1,500,000 3 7 days Elixir 3,000,000
Troop Housing Capacity Minion 2 Hog Rider 6 Valkyrie 8
Troop Level HP Damage Training Cost Training Time Pekka 1 2800 240 30,000 45mins 2 3100 270 35,000 45mins 3 3400 300 42,000 45mins
If you guys still need something, fell free to PM me.
Troop Level HP Damage Training Cost Training Time Dragon 1 1900 140 25,000 30mins 2 2100 160 30,000 30mins 3 2300 180 36,000 30mins
Better look here: New update goodies info Its easier :P
Thanks alot for the fast stats!
wow good job
Fantastic, thanks for the help. :)
3 days to build dark Barrack ? :( i really hope you wrong ..
and tnx !
can always count on you moe
Ty, thats what i doQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeshua9
No problem! If you got anything else, just tell me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfz
i don't think th7 will be able to mass produce these troops like in the vids D:
Considering the upgrade time for TH7 buildings, seems reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fodox23
hahahah amazing thread!!! the update isn't even playable and all the stats are already figured out...
aaah technology and research these days :')
Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by scanners107
I'm 100% sure, thats whats written in the game filesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fodox23
Sure you can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldiesrt
These minions will be the death of us. I have a feeling that mass minion will be unstoppable. :P
Very nice. A little surprising that TH 8 can get them all. Interesting...
Can u find out the lab research costs for upgrading those DE units? Great work by the way!
May want to post new training time of pekkas, aswell as their new costs (dragons too):)
moe how bout the dragon new training time?how much would it cost currently?mind to check it for me ;)
Does anyone know how many de barracks we can build?
Thanks!
Do you happen to know the housing space required for these new units?
nice moe, well formatted too!
Thanks for the update!
Haha! Yeah, it changes over timeQuote:
Originally Posted by doax
It does, Here is the capacity:Quote:
Originally Posted by strikerage
Troop Housing Capacity Minion 2 Hog Rider 6 8
Ty, Where did ya get the info?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
Awesome !!!! Thanks!
nooo :
"Clashers, these new troops are really fighting back!! This maintenance break will be longer than usual, it will last for a few more hours. Thank you for your patience!!"
they post this on their facebook page
Thanks, Moe! :cool:
How are we going to get 1000 DE each attack? xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
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Originally Posted by Sneakydave
30 min dragons, 45 pekka
dragons:25000 30000 36000
pekka:30000 35000 42000
I wan dis update nao
OR I WILL EAT YOUR FAMILY
Dragons and wizards also have splash damage! Good to deal with clan castle troops or to protect your village in the clan castle.
can you please post how much researching them would cost? and researching them costs elixir or dark elixir?
upgrading cost deQuote:
Originally Posted by kah112
Troop Upgrade Cost (Dark Elixir) Gargoyle 10.000 20.000 30.000 40.000 50.000 Boar Rider 20.000 30.000 40.000 50.000 60.000 Warrior Girl 50.000 60.000 70.000 80.000
are there any new achievements ?
The dragon (and wizard) AOE is 1/4 that of a balloons area of effect and 3/8 of the wallbreaker blast radius. So the area is rather small. Smaller than the valkyrie's effect by two thirds in fact.
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Originally Posted by Presto
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Originally Posted by Upkeep
considering how you can have 220 troops on one tile that splash damage makes a big difference
Great job, that's all I wanted to know!
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Originally Posted by Sneakydave
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Originally Posted by Chularl
Troop Level HP Damage Training Cost Training Time Pekka 1 2800 240 30,000 45mins 2 3100 270 35,000 45mins 3 3400 300 42,000 45mins
Troop Level HP Damage Training Cost Training Time Dragon 1 1900 140 25,000 30mins 2 2100 160 30,000 30mins 3 2300 180 36,000 30mins
what I haven't seen on this forum is HOW MANY dark barracks can you built? 1/2??
Updated the original post.
TY Velkanius
Anyone knows if we're using DE or pure elixer to upgrade them?
No problemo senorita!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisabelle
Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by VenomAL
PostedQuote:
Originally Posted by kah112
i'm assuming it's only 1 barrack?
DE........Quote:
Originally Posted by KingVail
U need Dark elexir to upgrade the troops, but pure elexir for the baracks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KingVail
Not sure, maybe, i didnt find that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfz
Edit: yes, only one
man! the hog rider is ♥♥♥♥ing overpowered!
still didn't figure out why they increased the strength of the already op offense again :confused:
Game filesQuote:
Originally Posted by IHazCandy4You
You're the best Moe!! :o
Check your research cost for level 1 there can't be any research as it comes as level 1
Thanks Moe and Dario! (:
ty (:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
im not too worried about 1 barrack then... it would take forever to train these guys to effectively use em for farming or anything really lol...
Thats whats written in the files... Maybe after you unlock the barrack, you need to upgrade them in the lab to unlock them? i am not really sure. You got any ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by GorillaMan
Lol, good point mate, observant.Quote:
Originally Posted by GorillaMan
On topic: Awesome thread Moe :D
Your welcome ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
Don't look at that at the wiki we are under a maintenance thereQuote:
Originally Posted by apache
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Originally Posted by velkanius
Is this in DE or Elixer?
Dark ElixirQuote:
Originally Posted by r0se
The only thing I can think of is that your level 1 is actually the games level 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
I will get back to that in a seconds
I am worried about the upgrade costs, not really sure about the upgrade costs, thats how it written in the files, take a look:Quote:
Originally Posted by Junliang
http://i.imgur.com/oJ64NrZ.png
Its DE ): ): ): ):Quote:
Originally Posted by r0se
It is DE. That is what the new troops are based on.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0se
@OP I assume you are looking at an xml file. Hopefully you have written an xml parser to make it easier :) that is what I did for a different iOS game. But be careful, sometimes they add things to the file that they haven't decided on adding into the game yet. (such as seasonal items and what not).
Originally Posted by r0se http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
Is this in DE or Elixer?
I knew I should have added it... Thought about it when I clicked he submit reply button...Quote:
Originally Posted by Djemerson13
I expected a bit more common sense from the visitors of this thread. :confused:
I will change my post.
I can think of 2 casesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
1) DE Troops are an exception, building a level 1 DE Barrack will not unlock the Minion, we will need to "upgrade" them to level 1 before we can build minions using the DE Barrack.
2) There are a total of 6 levels for these DE Troops, and not 5. << Seems unlikely.
Both cases seems unlikely..
Now I'm wondering if these DE Troops upgrade will take place in the same lab or not.. its already crowded as it is right now !
looks like there is a dark elixir barracks but no dark elixir lab, so, things will be crowded!Quote:
Originally Posted by Junliang
Lots of work on the wiki :(
Since spells are also upgraded using the "normal" lab, i guess its all gonna be there.
Great thread, thanks!
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
my level 5 troops, rage/heal/light, dragon certainty take priority over these de troops lol, no questions asked :pQuote:
Originally Posted by KingVail
Moo Moo, you're awesome!
I'll text you your reward... (wink)
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This little Potato is thrilled she can camp @TH8 a lil' longer... :rolleyes:
TH levels are missing.
Preusme it's TH7 for minion.
TH8 for Hog
TH9 for Valkyrie?
Surprisingly, no. TH 7 gets minion, and TH 8/9 both get all 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icekool17
I just compared the current code with the old code
If it says that the minion will cost 10000 level 1 that means that doesn't mean level 1 will cost that much that mean the update from level 1 to level 2 will cost that much.
BTW there will be no new lab
Sorry for my bad english im just rushing to get the wiki finished
You rock mr gorilla. Keep up the great wiki work.Quote:
Originally Posted by GorillaMan
Seeing th cost of that dark elixir, people will put thunders on my DE storage like there is no tomorrow.
this little enchanter wonders what one must do to receive a reward and what these rewards are :pQuote:
Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0
Thanks for the great work Moe.
The new troops are really for the top players. Coz i think DE is too precious to spend on troops. Not easy to get good raids to make a net DE profit.
Thanks a ton Moe. You're without doubt one of the best posters we've got here.
This update is going to completely revamp how defenses work and what is important.
I see Minions as basically flying barbarians. Will be countered by air defense/archer tower/wizard tower/hidden tesla.
Valkyrie is an overgrown Giant. Cannon/archer tower/mortar will be main defense against these.
Hog rider is going to be the biggest problem I think. Walls will not delay them so fast shooting defenses are going to be the best counter. Mortars likely pretty useless as they won't bunch up to flow through holes in walls.
Overall I think mortars are going to become less useful and archer towers are going to increase in value considerably. Tesla will also become more needed, especially in block defense of resources.
Combine these changes with the "improved" wall breaker AI and we are in for a serious game changing update here.
Oh, and dragon splash damage - about time already!!! :D
CoC defense and units are known to attack stuffs which u don't want them to attack.
I suspect, with the right ratio of flying and ground troops, as well as deploy timing, battle replays would be a pain to watch....
First off, thanks for this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fakhouri
I am concerned about the minion cost... At level fully upgraded, it takes 3 times the amount of dark elixir per troop, while the others may take double at most. The stat growth doesn't seem all that great for taking three times the amount. I mean, 30 minions = 180 dark elixir (which is very reasonable with 2 max DE pumps, if you attack someone with a little dark elixir). 10 max level minions also equals 180 dark elixir. Lets look at some of the anti air defenses and how the extra hps would affect it..
Some thoughts:
Vs. Archer towers
- Level 1 minions can be killed in 1 shot from a level 9 archer tower
- Level 2 minions can be killed in 1 shot from a level 10 archer tower
- Level 5 minions can't be killed in 1 shot from any level of archer tower. Not many people have level 11 archer towers since they cost a fortune and take forever to build.
- For anti-archer defense, minion level 3 or 4 is the sweet spot -- 8 or 9 dark elixir and they need max archer towers to 1 shot them.
Vs. Rockets:
- All minions can be 1 shot by a level 1 rocket
Vs. Wizards
- All minions can eat two shots from a level 7 wizard tower.
- You need at least a level 5 wizard tower to 2 shot L1 minions, otherwise it takes 3 shots. Using our sweet spot of L3 / L4 minions, they can eat 3 shots from a level 5 wizard tower, level 6 is the minimum needed to always 2 shot minions
Vs. Teslas
Note: Teslas fire at 0.6 speed, but never can do enough damage to 1 shot a minion at max rank. We're going to base this off how many seconds it takes to kill a minion based on 0.6 seconds per shot. Also, there's so many differences, I'm basing this analysis off of level 4 minions. Also, teslas aren't triggered by air units, but they will attack them if they have been triggered, so they aren't really an ideal minion defense.
- It takes 2.4 seconds to kill a L4 minion with a L1 Tesla
- L5 Tesla can kill a L4 minion in 1.2 seconds. This is the most efficient, because L6 is also 1.2 seconds for both L4 and L5 minions.
Vs X-Bow:
I think with this update, people are going to have to perma switch their x-bows to anti ground+air, because barring anti air defenses, they are by far the best defense against minions. I'm too lazy to figure out how many shots to specifically take for time alive, so I'm going to calculate this one purely off of damage per second:
- L4 can survive for around ~1.5 seconds against a L1 xbow, ~1.2 seconds against a L2 xbow, and ~0.8 seconds vs. a L3 xbow
vs. anti air defenses and the end of using dark elixir bombs pre trophy hunting:
All air bombs will 1 shot any level of minion, so using the basic ones will be key to always have up. The dark elixir bomb is an overkill for costing 600 dark elixir when it could be triggered by 1 6 DE minion. They wont be used, period, outside of high end trophy hunting.
So in conclusion -- do not upgrade minions past L4 unless you are some rich oil shieke in the UAE. TH7 is going to get destroyed by minions, TH8 slightly better (better archer towers), but they wont do much against a TH9 due to 3 anti-air rockets, L11 archer towers, four tesla's and especially x-bow's
I think ur completly right with this. So everybody has to change their strategies, which will be interessting in the first few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denithor
I dont think its gonna be a huge problem. The cost to upgrade is already abit high. And to make them with 1 barrack is gonna be time wasting. Well we'll see in a few weeks time. For now i guess the normal troops, AQ and BK are way more effective in raids.
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Originally Posted by Valvatorez
great post, thanks! :)
this is going to be very interesting, especially since now that dragons have splash damage, holding archers in the clan castle will be useless when facing dragons. and i am very curious to see how the hog rider works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denithor
Are u sure abt this? Normal air bombs seem pretty weak...Quote:
Originally Posted by Valvatorez
Yep, from the clash of clans wiki:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandalhat
http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Traps
Damage: 100 Cost: 4,000 Gold http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../20px-Gold.png Size: 1x1 Blast Radius: 5 Tiles Trigger Radius 7 Tiles
Valvatorez,
Good posting style! Always good to see another constructive, analytical poster.
IllustrisJr the Appreciative
Eah sure, thank valva and leave me alone... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IllustrisJr
Anything in the game files about a 2nd DE storage? Or anything that could help against DE lightning strikes?
Guys, I am taking down the upgrade costs of the de troops, since we aren't 100% sure of them
No, only 1 de storage by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJwTC
The new time to train dragons is 30 minutes? Maybe I'm a little foggy this morning, but wasn't it 30 minutes before?
Some other thoughts...:
Minions are cheap enough they should be able to be used for farming high end bases (although it will slow down upgrading your hero units...). It will force all TH9 players to change their x-bows to anti-air, which will change the ground game significantly for other troops. A well played TH9 player with dual pumping dark elixirs will always have enough DE to attack people with minions if the person has at least 150 or 200 DE to steal (which is very, very common at the moment, maybe not so much once the patch is in and people can make DE units). Because TH8 lacks xbows and some of the extra oomph to deal with L4 minions, it will make them extremely vulnerable to a TH9 attack (they can use minions more liberally because of that pump). The TH9 vs. TH9 farming game gets tricky, but it will make the L6 barbarians, archers, etc. stronger because of the change to the anti air xbow if you don't want to get minion stomped.
I don't see Valkyries being used outside of the high end game. They are too expensive for farming, unless they add more sources of DE to the game. Maybe we'll log in and TH9 can build more then 2 pumps? If you want a friend for life, donate them all valks to their clan castle. Having a bunch of valks pop up will pretty much stop any attack.
Hog riders is completely dependent on their AI. If they prefer defenses, then it might be worth having a couple on hand to pair with giants who soak the damage while the hogs take out the defenses before the walls are cracked. If they prefer anything, there will be too many ways to make them just whack on a pointless resource or something else and they will just get eaten alive. They also are too expensive to use them in big packs for anything other then a serious trophy attack.
Wizards might see more play now depending on the size of their splash. Also, you will make friends for life by donating wizards to someones CC for defense.
Balloons still suck, however if you couple them with minions, if air defenses get lucky and start on the minions first, it could actually allow time for your balloon to do something rather then rofl-explode before it even drops a bomb. They still take too long to build and take too much storage to ever be used effectively.
Did I say there is a new cooking time for drags?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caesar
They didn't announce a change to dragon training time, just cost and HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caesar
The dark elixir barrack will make it interesting because anyone that uses it all the time will be able to replenish their armies much faster. I never thought these new troops would be very useful to farmers, but if the minion is playable, I think they'll be a staple in armies due to their cheap cost and the added bonus of a fifth producing barracks.