I realize there are 2 types of players- those who spend MONEY and those who don't....

It's a great game- probably the best I have played, but the fundamental way it was intended to be played will be the reason for it's decline.


Let's take a minute to recall how most of the "soft" games are played. Most of them are connected to a "social network" where visiting your friend is encouraged, and buying and selling takes place between You and the Game.


Now, let's think about HayDay. It is almost like the creators wanted a real world gaming experience. The problem with that is we don't play games to experience real world scenarios, we play them to take part in scenarios that are better than the world- we play games to take part in something we can control.


The newspaper in hay day is probably the worst aspect of the game, but you need it. At times it is faster than waiting 5 to 12 hours for your machines. And Neighborhoods have proven to suck. What we need is the ability to chat with the friends we already had.


Today I left 5 messages for someone who obviously doesn't check the neighborhood notifications which isn't surprising considering how clueless they are and how selfish they play the game.


In order to make this game work better there has to be more control given to the player. Downside to this is there are many who exploit the system or exploit other players and they may stop playing if people have control.


What do we need? We need a block feature & we need the ability to limit how many times people can purchase from us in a day. If you want to bring the Real World into this, then be aware that actual stores do have requirements and limits. I see limits on plenty of sales. A local store was selling a certain product for $20 but you could only purchase one! Why? Those with common sense know why. I don't have to explain why the store did this.


On HayDay I spend too much time trying to keep my store open (full) and I'm exploited, raided, and disrespected.
I have come to the conclusion there are two types of players- those who spend MONEY and those who don't.


Spending money on HayDay allows you to be more considerate and think rationally when deciding to buy something. Those who spend absolutely no money tend to view everyone as competition and every opportunity as competitive. If there are 20 stalls with 15 of them having premium items then the non-paying player will take all the 15 premium filled stalls just because they are there. I would NEVER do that, I spend money. I spend it on things I need and I spend it on Tom. I bought 60 stalls for my store, My entire farm is surrounded by Gold Walls (which are expensive), and almost all of my production slots have been purchased. I really don't need Tom because I produce more than I need. Therefore, when I run across someone who doesn't spend ANY money, it quickly turns into a relationship where they assume everything I put out is for them, and they COMPETE seeing if they can get there first and buy everything first.


This is a huge problem, people not spending money on this game. It is what makes playing with others so terrible. In other games people interact with the Game more, it doesn't effect you that someone else doesn't pay. With Hayday we are forced to interact. If you play enough to get XP you will need to sell some things, however, I don't like to be raided continuously or disrespected by those who are trying to do it all without spending any cash.


Those are my thoughts.

If you are so unhappy with the game then why are you playing. Many people play this game so that equals many different playing styles. Some people raid some people don't. If the game is stressing you out then stop playing. There are many other games out there you could play & I'm sure one is bound to make you happy.

These kinds of rants blow my mind... If you don't enjoy it, don't play! Pretty easy! I have spent less than $20 total in 8 months of playing this game and still love it!

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Originally Posted by randomchic12

If you are so unhappy with the game then why are you playing. Many people play this game so that equals many different playing styles. Some people raid some people don't. If the game is stressing you out then stop playing. There are many other games out there you could play & I'm sure one is bound to make you happy.

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i agree. If u are having truble finding a good neghborhood there are lots of good ones in the neghborhood section of the fourm. :)

I clearly opened by saying how much I enjoyed the game- and I mostly wrote this for Supercell and those who know exactly what I'm talking about. So thank but no thanks for the snide remarks. I stand by what I say, it's true. If you have spent $20.00 in 8 months that is good you purchased once, but I spend about $25 a month (maybe more) and I do not have that sense of desperation I have seen so many get. It's important for the people who make the game to know these things. We interact more in HayDay than any other game I have played and that is why so many come here complaining. Should supercell ignore the complaints? Probably not. Since I pay and get taken advantage of a lot I am guessing or taking a stab at the problem.

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Originally Posted by KathyF

It's a great game- probably the best I have played, but the fundamental way it was intended to be played will be the reason for it's decline.


Let's take a minute to recall how most of the "soft" games are played. Most of them are connected to a "social network" where visiting your friend is encouraged, and buying and selling takes place between You and the Game.


Now, let's think about HayDay. It is almost like the creators wanted a real world gaming experience. The problem with that is we don't play games to experience real world scenarios, we play them to take part in scenarios that are better than the world- we play games to take part in something we can control.
You said that. this is a game. Obviously we dont plant and harvest wheat in 2minutes in real life. I believe from the time needed and ingredients, the game developers has tried to make it as realistic as possible.
If you want it to be perfectly realistic - get yourself a real barn.

The newspaper in hay day is probably the worst aspect of the game, but you need it. At times it is faster than waiting 5 to 12 hours for your machines. And Neighborhoods have proven to suck. What we need is the ability to chat with the friends we already had.
I consider the DD one of the best function in game. Else how do we trade? you want to sell something you advertise so people come to buy from you. not everyone in my fren list wants to buy what im selling but i can sell to those people who are not in my friends list by advertising on DD. what's so twisted about that?
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Today I left 5 messages for someone who obviously doesn't check the neighborhood notifications which isn't surprising considering how clueless they are and how selfish they play the game.
You are obviously in a wrong neighborhood. just because your NH is quiet, that doesnt mean all the other NH are the same

In order to make this game work better there has to be more control given to the player. Downside to this is there are many who exploit the system or exploit other players and they may stop playing if people have control.


What do we need? We need a block feature & we need the ability to limit how many times people can purchase from us in a day. If you want to bring the Real World into this, then be aware that actual stores do have requirements and limits. I see limits on plenty of sales. A local store was selling a certain product for $20 but you could only purchase one! Why? Those with common sense know why. I don't have to explain why the store did this.
You just went back on your own point. In real life, if i have the money i can buy as much as i want to.
And if a local store runs out of what i need, i'll just go to the next store. if your store's sold out, procure again. so simple.
seriously i dont get what you're trying to mean.
if you want to sell limited quantity premium stuffs, just dont them on your RSS?
if you have them for sale to earn more money, why all the complicated system to limit to sell or not to sell.
you want to sell - put on your RSS
you dont want to sell - dont need to put them up on your RSS
the limit is your RSS slots.
you want to sell something, but you want supercell to put a stupid function to limit customers to purchase minimal quantity of items you put on RSS?
this doesnt even make any sense. you can keep all your mats if you dont intend to sell them.

On HayDay I spend too much time trying to keep my store open (full) and I'm exploited, raided, and disrespected.
I have come to the conclusion there are two types of players- those who spend MONEY and those who don't.

Spending money on HayDay allows you to be more considerate and think rationally when deciding to buy something. Those who spend absolutely no money tend to view everyone as competition and every opportunity as competitive. If there are 20 stalls with 15 of them having premium items then the non-paying player will take all the 15 premium filled stalls just because they are there. I would NEVER do that, I spend money. I spend it on things I need and I spend it on Tom. I bought 60 stalls for my store, My entire farm is surrounded by Gold Walls (which are expensive), and almost all of my production slots have been purchased. I really don't need Tom because I produce more than I need. Therefore, when I run across someone who doesn't spend ANY money, it quickly turns into a relationship where they assume everything I put out is for them, and they COMPETE seeing if they can get there first and buy everything first.

This is a huge problem, people not spending money on this game. It is what makes playing with others so terrible. In other games people interact with the Game more, it doesn't effect you that someone else doesn't pay. With Hayday we are forced to interact. If you play enough to get XP you will need to sell some things, however, I don't like to be raided continuously or disrespected by those who are trying to do it all without spending any cash.

Those are my thoughts.

My my... by spending money, you want the game to make you feel special? it feels like you're yelling at all the players who does not spend any cent and to be on par with you.
i cannot believe what i had just read.

people spend money on games for shortcuts. some people are being lazy, some greedy. some just enjoy having what they want and they're willing to spend it. nobody asked you to spend money on getting 60slots for your RSS.

seriously? your making noise because you spent money on the game, and others dont.

get a real life barn already would you?

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i've never seen players like that.. you're a first

Wow! I can't believe you have just said so many mean-spirited things about so many people whom you don't even know! Classifying people who don't spend real money on this game as being competitive and viewing everything as a competition, are selfish, inconsiderate, and disrespectful simply shows everyone how ignorant you truly are.

i have not spent any money on this game, yet I wouldn't consider myself selfish, inconsiderate, or disrespectful! I have someone in my NH with whom I trade BEM/SEM every night. Every time I see some for sale, I buy it, whether it will be used for my upgrade or what I will provide to my partner. That doesn't sound selfish to me!

We have a thread on here called the Smiley Thread, where people offer items to others for free and all we ask is that it is paid forward when those recipients have the ability to do so. Gosh, what selfishness of those people, giving things away!

There is a thread where many of us post when we get unwanted gnomes, topiaries, bug decor, etc. instead of coveted BRTs, windmills, and PF bikes. We rejoice with those who get what they were trying for and commiserate with those who do not, encouraging them when they again try for the coveted prize. How inconsiderate of all of us!

I know that many of the people who post on the above-mentioned threads don't spend any money on this game, and they are very kind, considerate, unselfish, and respectful people in this game, and no doubt in real life, too. It truly makes me wonder what kind of person you are in real life if you say such things about people you don't know. You sound like what we call a fair weather friend. If I have money to spend and we can go out and do things together, all is good, but if I have no money and can't pay for my own ticket to a movie, then I would no longer be one of your friends. How sad for you!

You said that just because you pay real money in this game, you get taken advantage of. How so? People buy what you put out for sale? OMG, how could they? Did they really need both those chocolate cakes?! You are partly right that stores will limit the number of items you can get when they are on sale, but if you wanted to get more than the limit, you could...just not at the sale price. And this isn't real life...it's a game! So whatever price you are charging when you put items in your bin is your choice, and then that's what the buyer pays. They get the item, you get the coin...can't see how that takes advantage of you.

You ended your original post by saying those were your thoughts. You have every right to have those thoughts, however, you should use some tact in 1) deciding if you should even express those thoughts (didn't your mom ever tell you that if you couldn't say anything nice, don't say anything at all?) or 2) express your thoughts in a more tactful way. By doing it in the manner in which you did paints you in a horrible light.

These are my thoughts.

1. Your NH being quiet doesnt mean all others are.
2. When you put an item on sale, its for sale. Thats as simple as that.
3. Whether you produce more than your need, it actually depends on your playing method. If you only care about yourself, do only 1-2 boat daily, and doesnt fill crates for others, I believe it is very possible. But for me, I do 5 boats a day, and filled 150-200 crates daily. The gaming strategy would be a lot different. You didnt read it wrong on my siggy. I still havent reached 3 months of playing, and I am at level 62. People play and enjoy the game differently. I think you need to learn that.

PS I am a non-spender.

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Originally Posted by KathyF

On HayDay I spend too much time trying to keep my store open (full) and I'm exploited, raided, and disrespected.
I have come to the conclusion there are two types of players- those who spend MONEY and those who don't.


Spending money on HayDay allows you to be more considerate and think rationally when deciding to buy something. Those who spend absolutely no money tend to view everyone as competition and every opportunity as competitive. If there are 20 stalls with 15 of them having premium items then the non-paying player will take all the 15 premium filled stalls just because they are there. I would NEVER do that, I spend money. I spend it on things I need and I spend it on Tom. I bought 60 stalls for my store, My entire farm is surrounded by Gold Walls (which are expensive), and almost all of my production slots have been purchased. I really don't need Tom because I produce more than I need. Therefore, when I run across someone who doesn't spend ANY money, it quickly turns into a relationship where they assume everything I put out is for them, and they COMPETE seeing if they can get there first and buy everything first.

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Wow! I'm speechless. I scarcely know what to say or where to begin, but please allow me an attempt.

First, I appreciate your opinion. You are entitled to it. Ergo, I have an opinion and am entitled to it as well.

Second, as far as I know, no one forces any player to spend cash, so the fact that you spend $25 monthly to play is your choice. No where in the rules does it guarantee game satisfaction equal to money invested.

Third, My game bank account is currently slightly over 3.5 million coins & I have 2119 diamonds. Every one of those coins and diamonds were obtained from hours of honest play and judicious economizing, meaning my farm is NOT fenced wall-to-wall in golden brick. I have played this game for almost a year without ever having spent a single penny of real cash on it, but according to your view, I belong to the non-spending competitive group who is out to take advantage and disrespect fellow HD players like yourself. Does spending money allow one to be inconsiderate and accusative when posting a rant?

I can only speak for myself, but your broad generalizations of those who don't spend real cash is offensive, unfair, and perhaps deliberately meant to be provoking, rather than informative to Supercell as you say.

You speak of disrespect. May I ask what you have done? Have you not just disrespected those non-spending players who do NOT engage in the type of behavior which disturbs you? What of those players who spend far more than you and behave as you describe? To what reasons do you attribute their actions?

I understand your frustration at being "raided", yet to label and lump all those players who have not done so or have not invested real cash into the same small group your diatribe is aimed at, is just as disrespectful as the unmannerly behavior which prompted your post.

Use of the search function would have supplied you with numerous threads where "raiding" has been discussed, and in those threads suggestions for alleviating, if not eliminating, the problem have been posited as well, yet in your disgruntled frame of mind, you suggest a limit of daily RSS purchases. Since you did not supply particulars, it is to be inferred you meant that ALL players would be subject to having a limit imposed upon their purchasing habits. Forgive me if I choose to disagree.

What of lower level players who depend upon the handful of repeat shoppers who help them out? ...or is it just too bad that they've sold their daily limit to the three followers they might have? What if they choose not to advertise for fear of being raided like you? Rather leaves them out in the cold after having sold their daily limit. No ads equals no chance of someone dropping by to purchase anything else.

You attribute selfishness & questionable motives to a very broad spectrum of players who likely have never had any interactions with you ever. That is the epitome of unfairness. Have you ever considered that the vast majority of players are not on these forums and are not aware of the arbitrary rules of play etiquette?...or that your raiders might be children who love the pretties you sell and are thrilled each time they find them? If you consistently put premium items up for sell, you will develop a following of those looking for top shelf items. When I'm looking for a cake, I certainly dont run down to the hardware store first! I go to the bakery!

There are any number of reasons your RSS is attractive to buyers, but I highly doubt whether the buyers' choosing to spend or not to spend real cash is high on that list. The logic you use escapes me. If I were to spend money, what would I purchase? Diamonds. Diamonds do not give me the ability to buy more from your RSS or anyone else's. They allow me to open production slots so I can produce more goods. They allow me to open more RSS slots to sell those goods I produce.

Whether I choose to fill those extra slots with goods I produce or buy is up to me. Where I obtain those goods is between myself & the supplier. If I bought them, then they were for sale. If the seller did not wish them to be bought, then they should not have been in the RSS. Spending real coin does not allow me to raid, however the amount in my HD bank account does, if I so choose. I do not. So where does that leave your argument? I am a non-spending non-raider. Am I the only exception? I seriously don't think so!

If you have a problem with a particular NH member or even a few, as you implied, then there are alternatives. Address the member(s) directly; take the issue up with the NH leader; delete the offender; change NHs, but please do not accuse those who do not spend money on the game (i.e., me) or others like me of nefarious motives meant to ruin your game enjoyment. It makes me feel disrespected and taken advantage of.

One side of your face says you enjoy the game and the other is complaining about how miserable it makes you and how awful all the people who play it are. One sentence that says you love it and six inches about how bad it it. You are not talking about suggestions and ideas to enhance the game, you are talking about how one thing sucks and how clueless players are and how horrible and selfish people are because you see them exploiting the game by playing the game as is. You claim spending money makes people more considerate and rational and those without money are inconsiderate and greedy. Well I find it to be just the opposite. People who love to brag about how much money they spend as if that means they OWN the game and the game experience for everyone else. You say you want more interaction with others and at the same time want less interaction and claim the game MAKES you interact. It does not. I know several folks who don't interact at all and didn't until the joined the forum. They joined no neighborhoods, never traded and didn't use Game Center or Facebook. For all they knew, their goods were bought by bots.

If the people you interact with are so horrible, please delete them. They will be much happier not being a burden to you. They won't feel that, in order to please you, they have to spend as much money as you to be in your league. Please please please, don't send me a friend request. I don't want to be such a disappointment to you.