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March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

Archer & Barb Army w/ Healer vs Archer & Barb w/ out Healer.

I just unlocked the healer and attempted to use her with the archer and barb combo. Honestly, I think with cost efficiency and effectiveness, she isn't too good with groups of small people. I feel her bursts are too slow to have any effect on big numbers of small troops, but rather troops such as giants would be better. However, maybe I'm using the healer incorrectly? Let me know. Also, if I include the healer would a Healer, Gob, and Giant army work better? Or just a plain ol' Arch and Barb army in terms of farming? I would like for cost efficiency and effectiveness to be considered when helping me come to a consensus. Thank you.
March 12th, 2013
THESTOJ

Using the barb archer combo is cost efficient and quick to train, however it limited the bases you can raid because of its strength. Me personal opinion for a strong farming army, is 14 wb 14 giants roughly 50 archers and barbs with 200 troop capacity. I can pretty much steal all the resources from TH8's
March 12th, 2013
AFRO

IMO timing is crucial, make sure you target the Air Def as prioirty!
She helps the troops stay alive as long as she is un harmed.
She keeps pace with the Wizzy tower (slightly faster I think) so that is pretty fast.

20 + Barbs with a healer backing them up become much more effective.

If you are TH6 its tougher since you only get 3 Camp/Barrack, (part of why I went to TH7 early) so taking up 20 + min to train a Healer may not be ideal. consider how many other troops you can train in 20min...? and be raiding again before that one even finishes..

She is good, but much more practical after you get the 4th Camp/Barrack so; 1 Healer barrack , three mix of troop barracks. preferably fast build cheap cost troops.

to me Healer>Spell since she could potentially last the whole raid (if Air def is out of commission) she follows the troops too. you can make 4 healer in 20 min (w/proper barrack) lvl 1 heal is 90min (24k!)

Make a bunch and see how they help our troops!
March 12th, 2013
Apk2O13

The healer won't help you much with low HP troops. No need for further explanations.

Use the healer (mainly) to support your giants/wizards.
March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

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Originally Posted by Apk2O13

The healer won't help you much with low HP troops. No need for further explanations.

Use the healer (mainly) to support your giants/wizards.

I feel you need further explanation to counter Afro's argument buddy.
March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFRO

IMO timing is crucial, make sure you target the Air Def as prioirty!
She helps the troops stay alive as long as she is un harmed.
She keeps pace with the Wizzy tower (slightly faster I think) so that is pretty fast.

20 + Barbs with a healer backing them up become much more effective.

If you are TH6 its tougher since you only get 3 Camp/Barrack, (part of why I went to TH7 early) so taking up 20 + min to train a Healer may not be ideal. consider how many other troops you can train in 20min...? and be raiding again before that one even finishes..

She is good, but much more practical after you get the 4th Camp/Barrack so; 1 Healer barrack , three mix of troop barracks. preferably fast build cheap cost troops.

to me Healer>Spell since she could potentially last the whole raid (if Air def is out of commission) she follows the troops too. you can make 4 healer in 20 min (w/proper barrack) lvl 1 heal is 90min (24k!)

Make a bunch and see how they help our troops!

You make a valid point, I shall try her out later with your suggestions and see how it goes. It would seem that if I were to follow these instructions to a tee, she would help. However, if I continue to attack recklessly, she wouldn't do much good, huh?
March 12th, 2013
xShadowLordx

Giants

Healers work best with giants, but watch out for air defense or they won't last long
March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

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Originally Posted by xShadowLordx

Healers work best with giants, but watch out for air defense or they won't last long

Weigh in cost average. I'd be at a loss if I were to farm. Thanks for the feedback though.
March 12th, 2013
Soki

Archer/Barb Vs Archer/Barb/Healer Combos

Personally I think using the latter combo is not very effective if you are against multiple defensive building. Say lvl 5 Mortar can one hit lvl 5 archers and for the cannons they will keep hitting your barbs but your healers cant help much on them. Like what the others said Healers are more suitable with Giants. Just watch out for the Air Defense :)
March 12th, 2013
Beancounter

I had a archer/healer army whip on my Th6 base. The healer able to keep a huge batch of archers alive. I was really surprised watching the replay. One of the very few times my base got 3 stared.

I love barb / archer armies. I will have to try it out with a healer.
March 12th, 2013
Chadamus

Personally I love using the Healer now that she's Level 3. Before that... wow... useless!

As other have said, I will deploy her behind the Giants instead of just with barbs and archers alone, but at Level 3 she does VERY well at keeping barbs and archers alive too.
March 12th, 2013
xShadowLordx

Lol I meant for trophy hunting

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Originally Posted by ss3kidgoku

Weigh in cost average. I'd be at a loss if I were to farm. Thanks for the feedback though.

Lol well barbs and archers combo is always best, cost efficient, fast to make. I make 50/50 and (220 total) level 6, total cost is still only 49k. They are good for farming, but adding in gobs would help a lot for farmers. Look at my barb and archer guide if ya want :) it's in my sig
March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

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Originally Posted by xShadowLordx

Lol well barbs and archers combo is always best, cost efficient, fast to make. I make 50/50 and (220 total) level 6, total cost is still only 49k. They are good for farming, but adding in gobs would help a lot for farmers. Look at my barb and archer guide if ya want :) it's in my sig

Hmm, so what would you suggest? a ratio of 25/50/25, a 50/25/25??
March 12th, 2013
IHazCandy4You

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I was using the half and half archer and barb army for a while.
March 12th, 2013
xShadowLordx

Hmm

Well I suggest that you use barbs to take out some buildings out side and make a penetration in the walls and send in your gobs to get as much as they can
March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

Quote:

Originally Posted by xShadowLordx

Well I suggest that you use barbs to take out some buildings out side and make a penetration in the walls and send in your gobs to get as much as they can

No, ahaha. I mean what ratio should I have of each troop?
If I had a capacity of 100 troops, would I do 50 barbs/25 arch/25 gobs, 25 barbs/50 arch/ 25gobs?
March 12th, 2013
AFRO

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Originally Posted by ss3kidgoku

You make a valid point, I shall try her out later with your suggestions and see how it goes. It would seem that if I were to follow these instructions to a tee, she would help. However, if I continue to attack recklessly, she wouldn't do much good, huh?

If you had asked about Giants I would have given advise on them..I see nowhere does it say Giant/Goblin or other..

on topic

Air-Def, Arch Twr, Wizzy Tower.. in that order, pose most threat to healers.

Let me just say, she takes 20min to build, if you get too close (and the Air def has a good radius) she will perish in a few seconds..and you will know the pain of a wasted Healer. (poor positioning and lack of patience)

She CAN support low HP troops! (i mean C'Mon Brah!) if your Barbs can absorb 3 mortars w/out her, they may get 4-6 with her. that could mean the difference bewteen taking out a building or not. She WILL heal for the duration of her life. be smart and protect her and she will reward you with more health for more attacks..Barb/arch are cheap/quick-build troops anyhow.

Like any troop you need to use them regularly to know the strenghts and weaknesses; liek she will abandon a good group to boost a few low HP troops getting owned by def turrets, then when she heads back to the main group they have taken damage/died and are not as effective as if she were to had stayed on them the whole time....lessons learned.

*get up to TH7 and get the extra camp and barrack (plus a horde of other goodies) I assure you, its much smoother to build an army with 4 barracks/camps. m,aybe drop a bunch of trophs and test her out on weaker base builds. to gauge her worth. pick bases she can help with too. If I see an exposed Air Def or ArchTwr, sure thing they are the first things gone..then I can send another pack of Barbs with her behind them. splas in a few gobs in the last 40-60secs*

Off topic again
Yes the Giants are great with the healer, but they are UberSlow! and take out Def first.. (two strikes for farming for loots) then loaf around to the important buildings...and the timer just keeps ticking.. only 3 min per match so..if it takes your slow giants 3:01 to get what you need (resources) than its 1 sec too long. and they take up A LOT of space in the camp..there are advantages and disadvantages to every troop.
March 12th, 2013
ss3kidgoku

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFRO

If you had asked about Giants I would have given advise on them..I see nowhere does it say Giant/Goblin or other..

on topic

Air-Def, Arch Twr, Wizzy Tower.. in that order, pose most threat to healers.

Let me just say, she takes 20min to build, if you get too close (and the Air def has a good radius) she will perish in a few seconds..and you will know the pain of a wasted Healer. (poor positioning and lack of patience)

She CAN support low HP troops! (i mean C'Mon Brah!) if your Barbs can absorb 3 mortars w/out her, they may get 4-6 with her. that could mean the difference bewteen taking out a building or not. She WILL heal for the duration of her life. be smart and protect her and she will reward you with more health for more attacks..Barb/arch are cheap/quick-build troops anyhow.

Like any troop you need to use them regularly to know the strenghts and weaknesses; liek she will abandon a good group to boost a few low HP troops getting owned by def turrets, then when she heads back to the main group they have taken damage/died and are not as effective as if she were to had stayed on them the whole time....lessons learned.

*get up to TH7 and get the extra camp and barrack (plus a horde of other goodies) I assure you, its much smoother to build an army with 4 barracks/camps. m,aybe drop a bunch of trophs and test her out on weaker base builds. to gauge her worth. pick bases she can help with too. If I see an exposed Air Def or ArchTwr, sure thing they are the first things gone..then I can send another pack of Barbs with her behind them. splas in a few gobs in the last 40-60secs*

Off topic again
Yes the Giants are great with the healer, but they are UberSlow! and take out Def first.. (two strikes for farming for loots) then loaf around to the important buildings...and the timer just keeps ticking.. only 3 min per match so..if it takes your slow giants 3:01 to get what you need (resources) than its 1 sec too long. and they take up A LOT of space in the camp..there are advantages and disadvantages to every troop.

If you look in my little description, I ask about Giant/Gob/Healer combos..

Great post though, so I guess my main question would be, for farming would you prefer the barb/archer army with or without the healer, what is your preference? (I'm guessing that the Giant/Gob/Healer is good for trophy hunting rather than farming?)
March 12th, 2013
AFRO

Quote:

Originally Posted by ss3kidgoku

If you look in my little description, I ask about Giant/Gob/Healer combos..

Great post though, so I guess my main question would be, for farming would you prefer the barb/archer army with or without the healer, what is your preference? (I'm guessing that the Giant/Gob/Healer is good for trophy hunting rather than farming?)

Well the major thing about the healer is the space in teh camp. (and I guess time too) I take a few wall breakers to make the work easier, maybe take a few giants, (then a WB after the mortar strikes,) to distract/kill the def turrets (first round). Arc/Barb mop up everything anyhow.. (healer is in this round) I send the gobs in last when its safe-er.. (or when all turrets are gone) its depends on what type of base you like to hit really.

its something you need to work out for yourself unfortunately. I like more barbs 'cus quik, cheap and can take/deal dmg in mass..they are dumb though and will attack a builder hut rather than resource,...like the arch that shoots a wall when she could shoot over it and get the target..??lolz? gonna have to try what suits you cuz. and fits your attack style.

I like her with, if you can afford the space. (I try to take bigger loots more often with her at my side) she can keep a pack of gobs going too, but they have low health so be wary. support, support, support!
March 12th, 2013
Apk2O13

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Originally Posted by ss3kidgoku

I feel you need further explanation to counter Afro's argument buddy.

He types too much. :<

He has some valid points though, I'm simply talking from my experience that a healer supporting giants leads to a great outcome. Don't froget giants aim toward defenses, which means (at most cases atleast) they'll take the damage before the healer, since she is led by them, and she will heal them all along.
Though it did occur to me more than 1 time that while the giants were attacking one of the defenses, an other defense attacked my healer, and even though she has quite a nice amount of HP she's dying very fast by AD.

So, after all it's a game of preferences, I like my healer buttkissing my giants. ;)