Clan Wars is an eye opener

Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

Yes, we are definitely being able to select the best now. The criteria used to be only donations and a vague idea of their participation in chat / activity as attackers. Now, though, we get to see who's worth keeping and who's worth kicking out.

After we clean up we'll be quite a few less members but a far more solid team (we still won this war by a mile, but you get what I mean!).

Yeah I can envision some huge changes to clan management because of this.

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Hahahaha, Best thing ive read on here today!

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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I think that's what I'm most surprised about.

How can people be so bad at this game? I've been playing less than two months and I can't believe how bad some people (a lot in my own clan) can be at attacking.

I think it's because the way you attack a base for trophies is so entirely different than the way you do day in and day out for resources.

I know I switched from giant/healer to dragons and there was a lot to learn about how to 3 star bases.

Yeah there are plenty of people who suck hard at attacking a base full-on. But that's where we should chime in and help them improve, unless they are clearly lost causes.


Hog Riders + Jump Spell... that's too freaking funny.

I am hoping CW will push my Clan's leaders to finally get rid of the mostly inactive members. Jump spells and hogs, rofl!

what surprises me is that no one ever lures out the CC next thing you they are getting shredded by lvl6 wizards lol. ive been preaching about CC troops all day currently wining 63-62

I'll be honest, it's been a very long time since I was up on the leaderboard, but always considered myself at least capable in attacking. But... that's based on matchmaking and picking what I want (IE, usually easier ones or ones that suited my attack style) or quite frankly, the "Good Ole' Days". In this case, of the 50, there were maybe 10 I would even consider attacking, but they are still ones I probably would have skipped in matchmaking unless they were HUGE resource hits.

Point is - evenly matched enemies, guess I'm not so good at lol.

I also learned although I may see 9 out of 10 defensive wins vs those matching me normally, in Clan Wars, with non-farming armies, not so much the case 8-)

I originally was thinking scores would be 125 or so stars, and for the elite clans, maybe - but for the run of the mill non-leaderboard clans, I'm starting to think getting 75-80 stars is going to be "Good" 8-)

But... like most others, I think Clan Wars is an AWESOME addition to the game, that can only get better.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Hog riders jump further and higher with the jump spell, dontchaknow?

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Originally Posted by twister

I'll be honest, it's been a very long time since I was up on the leaderboard, but always considered myself at least capable in attacking. But... that's based on matchmaking and picking what I want (IE, usually easier ones or ones that suited my attack style) or quite frankly, the "Good Ole' Days". In this case, of the 50, there were maybe 10 I would even consider attacking, but they are still ones I probably would have skipped in matchmaking unless they were HUGE resource hits.

Point is - evenly matched enemies, guess I'm not so good at lol.

I also learned although I may see 9 out of 10 defensive wins vs those matching me normally, in Clan Wars, with non-farming armies, not so much the case 8-)

I originally was thinking scores would be 125 or so stars, and for the elite clans, maybe - but for the run of the mill non-leaderboard clans, I'm starting to think getting 75-80 stars is going to be "Good" 8-)

But... like most others, I think Clan Wars is an AWESOME addition to the game, that can only get better.

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I totally agree, esp with the observation of how important being able to choose your opponent in normal matchup process is, and how reliant on that you (not intentionally) become...i had to really think long & hard about which of my limited selection i was going to attack and i was nervous LOL cause i knew it could go horribly wrong if i didn't do one of them perfectly.

I think Clan Wars is literally the best thing SC has done, hands down, and it's totally re-energized a lot of long term players who were starting to get bored. I know there's still some bugs to work out (and please let us dump war CC troops and redo!) but I love the war map, the war log, everything was really very well thought out so kudos to SC dev team - they kept us waiting but IMO definitely didn't disappoint with this update, it's honestly much better than I was expecting it to be.

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Yes, we are definitely being able to select the best now. The criteria used to be only donations and a vague idea of their participation in chat / activity as attackers. Now, though, we get to see who's worth keeping and who's worth kicking out.

After we clean up we'll be quite a few less members but a far more solid team (we still won this war by a mile, but you get what I mean!).

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I would rather have active chatters/donaters that uber attackers that never talk or donate.

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Originally Posted by chajado67

I would rather have active chatters/donaters that uber attackers that never talk or donate.

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That is not my point - we are now taking ALL the aforementioned criteria into account. If you don't attack, you're out. If you don't donate, you can bet you're out as well. So on, so forth.

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Originally Posted by Crunkstation

Hahahaha, Best thing ive read on here today!

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I've been attacked by dragons and jumps spells, I made the mistake of drinking a soda while watching the replay.

Had my mind blown twice last night. Guy on the other team (th 8) had the classic gap in the middle of his base where you could drop troops right beside his th. But I mean, everyone knows thats full of traps and teslas right? No on falls for that move anymore. Wrong, I had a th9 and a th8 in my clan do the same exact thing and came out without one star. I had to waste an attack and hog it to prevent any more attempts.

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Originally Posted by jakewebs

Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

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Very well said.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Why was I drinking when I read this!!

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Originally Posted by Sammo7610

what surprises me is that no one ever lures out the CC next thing you they are getting shredded by lvl6 wizards lol. ive been preaching about CC troops all day currently wining 63-62

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So true!!

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Originally Posted by spindler27

I've been attacked by dragons and jumps spells, I made the mistake of drinking a soda while watching the replay.

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At least I put down my drink before continuing...LOL;):cool:

This shows what farming has done to the players: Farmers don't know how to attack THs the same level as their's. Some TH 10's in my clan were struggling to destroy a single TH 8, and then they even complained about the small loot bonus they had. (Me smiling and sitting there on my 750k bonus like-a-boss) :)

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Originally Posted by jakewebs

Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

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Hahaha nice one ,we had a few hi lvls freaking out cause we would see there replays they never show em in clan lol yeh we gave many a lot of static about no hiding now lol👍 we start our first war today, we've. Been waiting for things to smooth out, an its funny cause its like torture to those that don't show replays hahah i love it,

so maybe I just suck.... but i have always felt this game is little bit skewed to defenders side.

granted thats the true nature of war but in the clan wars this becomes MUCH more apparent.

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Originally Posted by Sammo7610

what surprises me is that no one ever lures out the CC next thing you they are getting shredded by lvl6 wizards lol. ive been preaching about CC troops all day currently wining 63-62

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Yup I specifically told one of our members DO NOT PLACE GIANTS BEFORE KILLING THE CLAN CASTLE. DRAGON IN THE CLAN CASTLE.

First move - spams giants... he had a sure 3 star if he just lured the dragon and killed it. Instead it was a 2 star. We're down by 4 right now so every star is super important.


Other thing I can't believe is how many people just use their go to farming attack - giant/healer to attack pretty much every base and think that adding a couple wizards will suddenly make it go from farm mode to trophy mode. IMO unless you have lvl 6 giants and a ♥♥♥♥ base, there is probably 5 or 6 better attacks than giant healer for getting a 3 star on most peer bases.

I'd love to be proved wrong on this, I just think it is so easy to defend against giant healer with most bases once you're above town hall 6.

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Originally Posted by MattCoC

Other thing I can't believe is how many people just use their go to farming attack - giant/healer to attack pretty much every base and think that adding a couple wizards will suddenly make it go from farm mode to trophy mode. IMO unless you have lvl 6 giants and a ♥♥♥♥ base, there is probably 5 or 6 better attacks than giant healer for getting a 3 star on most peer bases.

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Pretty much the reason why we're not winning by even more stars (a lead of 33 right now). Some clanmates even went with a full archer army on some attacks. *headdesks profusely*

If farmers have pushed to masters then. Should be no real problem in atking... Thats how i gage it

Some of my clanmates put heal spells on their wall breakers, something about getting to the wall without "wasting" other troops...

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Originally Posted by bonemancer

Some of my clanmates put heal spells on their wall breakers, something about getting to the wall without "wasting" other troops...

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It seems all of us have our particular kind of grievances, hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Churbo

If farmers have pushed to masters then. Should be no real problem in atking... Thats how i gage it

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We noticed the same thing - we're a farming clan but we periodic push so we were pretty confident in our group's attack capabilities. Those who have made it to Master before definitely overachieved (TH9s attacking & 2 starring weaker TH10s, etc) but those who haven't made it out of Crys 2/1 definitely struggled a bit more than I anticipated given their level, troop lvls, etc.

It definitely helped us assess where we need to help some coach some members....like how to properly bait out witches from cc, especially when using hogs :rolleyes:

Side note: a few PPs mentioned high levels in their clans who won't show replays normally...I'd suggest you switch clans, that's really selfish IMO. I show replays constantly - both good attacks and HORRIBLE failures i've had - nobody learns from only seeing their own attack strategy, and I have taught a lot of clan members how to hog, gowipe (which i am still improving on myself), etc. through my attacks. And while my guys will harass me when I fail hard ;) it's also the best way to get feedback on what went wrong, and ideas for how to improve your attack skills.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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You should sell tickets for this replay :D

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Originally Posted by MattCoC

Yup I specifically told one of our members DO NOT PLACE GIANTS BEFORE KILLING THE CLAN CASTLE. DRAGON IN THE CLAN CASTLE.

First move - spams giants... he had a sure 3 star if he just lured the dragon and killed it. Instead it was a 2 star. We're down by 4 right now so every star is super important.


Other thing I can't believe is how many people just use their go to farming attack - giant/healer to attack pretty much every base and think that adding a couple wizards will suddenly make it go from farm mode to trophy mode. IMO unless you have lvl 6 giants and a ♥♥♥♥ base, there is probably 5 or 6 better attacks than giant healer for getting a 3 star on most peer bases.

I'd love to be proved wrong on this, I just think it is so easy to defend against giant healer with most bases once you're above town hall 6.

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I don't doubt that there are better compositions than giant/healer/wiz combos, but what would you use besides giant/healer/wiz if you didn't have dragons or higher than level 1 dark troops?

Ive learned who my clans inactives are, and who is bad at attacking. Ive also learned its a team effort, and one failed raid can really screw us over!

2nd most important thing ive learned: BRING A LIGHTNING SPELL! Dem level 6 wizards get annoying.

MOST IMPORTANT THING IVE LEARNED! Make sure people know only 3 stars can be earned on a base. Even though our war ends in 8 minutes (us80-45) we still could have earned more stars and avoided confusion. I hope they add a way to call who you will attack in the future.

Thanks supercell for such a great update, look forward to more in the future!

Yea, definitely shown quite a few things.

I've been doing well, didn't feel out of my depth at all since I just finished a two week long push about 7 days ago

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Originally Posted by creamofpayne

I don't doubt that there are better compositions than giant/healer/wiz combos, but what would you use besides giant/healer/wiz if you didn't have dragons or higher than level 1 dark troops?

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Well that's the caveat I put for *above TH6* slash new TH7 that don't have dragons yet. For those folks, giant healer is definitely the go-to best attack and it is good against most TH6 bases. But when TH7 can cook up their full complement of lvl 4 troops and dragons and minions and everything else. It's generally better to go for an air attack to take out a peer town hall 7 since most neglect their air upgrades.

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Originally Posted by MattCoC

Well that's the caveat I put for *above TH6* slash new TH7 that don't have dragons yet. For those folks, giant healer is definitely the go-to best attack and it is good against most TH6 bases. But when TH7 can cook up their full complement of lvl 4 troops and dragons and minions and everything else. It's generally better to go for an air attack to take out a peer town hall 7 since most neglect their air upgrades.

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Apparently other people do too....
I smashed the TH9 for 2 stars on the other side, I'm a mid TH7. Balloons and minions with a few ground troops and a dragon. There was a level two AD outside the base(smashed with giants) and a level 1 AD not too far in. If I had dropped my spells at a slightly better time it would have been a three-star.
Moral: UPGRADE YOUR AD

This has definitely been an eye opener for some of the attackers in my clan.

It's easy to have someone in your clan with a decent base and high donations and assume they're pretty good at attacking also, but my view on that has changed after our first war. I understand sometimes things go wrong and you lose against a base you normally defeat but I have seen some laughable strategy in the replays.

What is clan wars like for th7&8's? Up in the th9 & 10 wars you have to use all spells and a VERY expensive and long trained army to get even 2 stars, 3 star is a rarity. Are you guys able to use giants, archers etc? Ugh I would do so much better at that :rolleyes: Cos i totally didn't get 3 starred or anything…

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Originally Posted by DanielB

What is clan wars like for th7&8's? Up in the th9 & 10 wars you have to use all spells and a VERY expensive and long trained army to get even 2 stars, 3 star is a rarity. Are you guys able to use giants, archers etc? Ugh I would do so much better at that :rolleyes: Cos i totally didn't get 3 starred or anything…

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Our clan is mostly comprised of TH8s and TH7s, with some underdeveloped TH9s and TH10s, and one very developed TH10. Enemy clan was of a similar level.

There were plenty of people using giants/healers and similar strategies during the war, but most of those amounted to 2-star wins at the very best. Pretty much all our 3-star wins were done with dragons or other higher tier troops, plus a proper strategy. Personally, I flattened a superior TH8 base and a TH9 base with Hogs and healing spells (after removing Heroes and CC troops from the battle with lesser troops).

So there's definitely more variety to what you can use in these levels I think, but you don't get super easy 100% wins either.

Im a town hall 8, and just won my first war. We got matched up with another clan that had 3 town hall 9s and one 10. Everyone stayed away from the 10 cuz x-bows + inferno towers are scary. But I was able to 3 star two of the town hall 9s, while everyone else was struggling with 7s and 8s.

But when they attacked us, that was sad. I was hit with a GOWIWI army, and they didn't even get a single star. Another TH 9 hit my cousin with like 5 PEEKA's and didn't get a single star either...

My army consisted of 2 Golems, 3-4 PEEKA, and the rest wizards/archers.

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Originally Posted by Nek27

2nd most important thing ive learned: BRING A LIGHTNING SPELL! Dem level 6 wizards get annoying

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Takes more then one maxed lightning spell to take out a maxed wizard. Carry two if you wanna take them out lol

I think all clans will and have learned something from cw.Things that clans can and will improve on,we as a clan that hasn't finished it war yet that inactive players arn't always inactive ,but this is great fun well done supercell.We all will get better at this.

cheers
BegaBogan

Well we had an idiot waste an attack on someone that had been 3 starred and I'm pretty good at attacking, but my first attack was ruined cuz I got kicked out for stupid reasons.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Lol that guy should be on tv!

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Originally Posted by MattCoC

Well that's the caveat I put for *above TH6* slash new TH7 that don't have dragons yet. For those folks, giant healer is definitely the go-to best attack and it is good against most TH6 bases. But when TH7 can cook up their full complement of lvl 4 troops and dragons and minions and everything else. It's generally better to go for an air attack to take out a peer town hall 7 since most neglect their air upgrades.

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Yeah that's the group I was identifying too. What about a TH7 with level 1 drags and level 1 minions. Would you use them? Are level 4 balloons worth using against a max defense TH7? Or is it level 2 drags or nothing?

Again, talking in generalities and with a relatively competent raider.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Lol, would have loved to see that.

For my part I saw an enemy failing to get even one star on a base with an unprotected townhall...


But yes, overall what I learned was really that a lot of people don't really know how to attack a base, be it among our enemies, or even in our clan : a lot of people are just throwing all their troops without thinking about CC troops or heroes. I saw almost maxed TH10 armies struggling with TH8 bases, people using goblins in their armies (an no, not to lure out CC troops or heroes), 25+ hogs being used with rage spells instead of heal and barely reaching 1 or 2 stars on easy bases, etc....

I realized 2 major things in clan wars.
1. Those really good people can't attack anybody they want (my leader lost his first attack and he is in masters)
2. We tricked ourselves because the other clan had no body on when it started and we had at least 20 on so we had 30-40 stars on them and they didn't have one but then they started attacking and now with 2 hours left they have 10 more attacks then us (the other clan has a couple inactive players) but we are 107-93 so where hoping they don't use all their attacks.

I learned that when u teach people how to farm they remain farmers with no war skills cuz they were trained to attack inactive bases.

now i have to teach them war tactics.... Pull cc n heroes to corner etc. etc.

LV-426 currently slaughtering the opposition - 85 to 24, and still most of our best players to go!

An eye-opener indeed, lots of similar observations to those already made. It's been rather chaotic, this first one. Coordinating it has been a nightmare! But hey, the figures speak for themselves, and next time we'll be ready for war!

I'm a farmer at heart, so it's been really interesting to take on something I would normally 'nope' straight past. To see what my troops can really do, had I just trusted in them a little more. I took out their leader (it just felt... right ;)) - a base above my rec, and arguably the toughest they had, hehe!

This has strengthened our clan immeasurably, brought us closer together, there's a team spirit now that just wasn't there before. It's given clans a purpose, and it's awesome. Thank you.

My clan is losing by 1 star, and I am shocked by some of the attacks my clan has had. I am a th7 and I have starred my 2 attacks better than 2 th9 and 3 th8's... They have no clue how to attack all they do is farm. Clan wars has opened my eyes and I love it... I hate to kick people out for not fighting in the first war, but they gots to go...

Very true! It was a surprise when we saw some of our clan members not using barch :rolleyes:

But it was a great experience overall and a great way to see how people attack! Very true! :cool:

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Originally Posted by AABCDS

Hog riders jump further and higher with the jump spell, dontchaknow?

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it allows them to jump double walls

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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Am i the only one who didnt think this was funny?

Pretty old joke, if you ask me...

Worst moment for me in clan wars so far is watching one of the top TH10 players in my clan completely fail to get even 1 star against another TH10 player! Understandable you might think if the base was well setup for defence but unfortunately for my clan mate his opponent had the base set too farming with the TH nicely accessible in one corner! He's not gonna live that one down for a while especially as his embarrassment is there to see in the replays!

Absolute highlight tho was watching the TH9 player ranked 23rd in our clan attack the TH10 player ranked 5th in their clan and seeing our player walk away with a very nice 1 star victory. It was a base we were desperate to get something from as well an our two top players coached the TH9 in how to overcome this base and the plan they concocted was perfectly executed by our player who now gets a much higher share of the clan war bonus than he was expecting.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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LOL! I want to see the super jump flying hogs.:eek: Seems like a great idea for twice the hang time. :)

As for OP, ya it is a good point but PLEASE respect everyone that at least tries. The last thing we need is for less experienced players to get ridiculed or put down for performance.

Quite the opposite: encourage them, give them a few tips and if they were the first to attack the base tell them that's the hardest spot to go in so probably will help next attacker, etc... i.e. keep it positive. :)

I'm new to this game too and have only nbeen sniping not all out base hitting so was real happy with one three star and one attack left if i can get it in getting home tonight. It couldn't have happened so easily if I didn't have other attackers before me. It's a TEAM effort, at least for those that tried.

BTW, it adds a real fun (and stressful) element to the game but sooo time consuming to get organized about it. Hoping our clan opts for the maybe once a month clan war idea kinda like pushing, etc.


Sure would be a big help being able to save a Clan War base to switch back and forth between CW and multi so can't wait for them to get that done...

we're a little clan with a 15 vs 15 battle and no scouting ability. we managed to get 25 out of 30 possible with 4 peeps not showing up for war. i have to say i'm way proud !

some guy lightning spelled my clan castle pekka xd

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Originally Posted by michaelsong20

some guy lightning spelled my clan castle pekka xd

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Every little bit helps? :cool: Hopefully it was next to a mortar, WT, AD or something. BTW, a pekka in CC on defense is interesting. Guess it works well for absorbing lightning strikes. :)

Lol this has really shown the light both my bases i attacked were th10's with infernos and i one stared both only due to owlish errors on my part.. But watching the replays hurt my eyes i saw 3 th8's attack a horribly weak th7 and only one two stared him.

i saw my top players attacking th8's and 9's instead of bases on their level.. Only one of our guys hit a top base and he one stared it. Farming hurts players a little but to me just not planning attacks out and jumping to war hurt a lot.. I saw guys hogging bases setup against hogs but so weak to air attacks..

I do feel good tho i got two stared by a max gowiwi attack by their top player because my walls scared off everyone else so farming does help... Just have to balance between attacking to win and going for resources... Clan wars will solve that and players are gonna get much better


im glad the updates here

Our clan had a member snipe a TH and end the match.

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Originally Posted by twister

I'll be honest, it's been a very long time since I was up on the leaderboard, but always considered myself at least capable in attacking. But... that's based on matchmaking and picking what I want (IE, usually easier ones or ones that suited my attack style) or quite frankly, the "Good Ole' Days". In this case, of the 50, there were maybe 10 I would even consider attacking, but they are still ones I probably would have skipped in matchmaking unless they were HUGE resource hits.

Point is - evenly matched enemies, guess I'm not so good at lol.

I also learned although I may see 9 out of 10 defensive wins vs those matching me normally, in Clan Wars, with non-farming armies, not so much the case 8-)

I originally was thinking scores would be 125 or so stars, and for the elite clans, maybe - but for the run of the mill non-leaderboard clans, I'm starting to think getting 75-80 stars is going to be "Good" 8-)

But... like most others, I think Clan Wars is an AWESOME addition to the game, that can only get better.

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This comment is gold. Exactly this. I for example, in hopes of helping my mates, let easy attacks go away and take care of leftovers. I'm a TH9 and most of them were TH10 (most of us are too, was evenly matched) so I have to stick to beating up 2 multis and ♥♥♥♥ with balloons/hogs/drags. Not the end of the world. Got 49% 1 star. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as hell. Can you say I sucked? Well... Maybe next time I'll rush the easy 3 star and leave my mates to the sharks... Context is needed!

I've had my good share of face palm moments reviewing my clan mates' attacks. Dragons being sent in too early or too late. One guy had chosen to try to save two of his three dragons and only use them if really needed, which resulted in him dropping the last one with only 12 seconds left, just in time to *not* reach and destroy the town hall, giving him just one star when he could easily have had three.

Now we can all have a laugh at the expense of bad attackers, but how do we do something constructive to help them do better next time? If you were to write one clan mail message with the best tip for your low level farmers, what would it be? Remember you can't fit more than a couple of sentences in there.

Would it be something trivial like "NO goblins in clan wars please"? Or maybe something like "for better mileage on your giants, we recommend that they be accompanied by wall breakers". Amazing how many think that you can go with a few giants and then barbarians and archers and maybe a single dragon, but NO wall breakers. I'll bet that if all the elixir that was spent on buying dragons for this war had been spent on wall breakers instead then we would have had a lot more stars.

We got matched up with a similar clan that had a lot more trophies than us.

45 vs 45, each side had roughly 10 TH10s, 10 TH8s, and the rest TH9s. Their clan had 25 members in crystal or above with 5-6 in Masters. We had 3-4 in crystal only, with everyone else in gold or below.

I figured maybe they'd have an advantage since they were used to facing tougher defenses in crystal. Watching their raids against us was just embarrassing though (for them). They only focused on attacking our TH8s and our lower TH9s (even their TH10s), and even then those raids were struggles. One of our TH8s got attacked 6 or 7 times. Out of the top 18 bases in our clan, they only got stars on one base legitimately, plus 2 one stars on inactive bases that had the town hall outside. Meanwhile, we got stars on every base from top to bottom besides their top base, which we missed out on by a couple of troops.

So I guess the lesson here is that even if someone has a lot of trophies, that doesn't mean they know how to attack bases with decent defenses. Most of them were probably just TH snipers.

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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LOL Hogs and Jump Spell

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Originally Posted by zure

we're a little clan with a 15 vs 15 battle and no scouting ability. we managed to get 25 out of 30 possible with 4 peeps not showing up for war. i have to say i'm way proud !

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15 players, 3 stars each = 45 stars. 25/45. :P

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Originally Posted by LinkSword

Yeah there are plenty of people who suck hard at attacking a base full-on. But that's where we should chime in and help them improve, unless they are clearly lost causes.


Hog Riders + Jump Spell... that's too freaking funny.

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We had a guy deploy 20 giants then dropped 2 lightning strikes on them :/

We have also learnt a lot and CW has definitely changed the way we play.
We're mostly TH 10 bases, level 85 - 105. Play in the Crystal Leagues from III to I.
Honestly half my clan was so bored, it was literally only two people attacking most of the day and you had to wait ages to get donations.

Now with CW
1> The entire clan is more lively, since all of us are already in the crystal league (44 members) it forces us to compete to get more trophies as bottom 4 sit out CW :P (or more depending on what it matches)

2>We will be playing clan wars non stop. It's awesome. Loot bonus of 750k for me in 2 attacks, which is on par with farming. Yeah I lose a lot more in donations (2 of us filled every camp with wizards) , but it was great to see the clan get along

3> After the war, we had a debriefing period. Where everyone watches replays and critiques everything. Once again, CC luring and hero baiting were pathetic. Even for my most experienced farmers :P .

4> That said, one of my attacks was a 3 Golem / 3 Witch / Wizard GoWiWi on an absolute BEAST of a TH10 and I got th TH and 50% ... so I was super stocked to learn what my armies could do

5> Inactive members: I'm really at a loss on what to do here. If the inactive member has a ♥♥♥♥ base, but TH and CC centralised, I prefer to leave them in.
Logic:
Leave them in: I can donate wizards, makes them look like an easy 3 star, then wizards come out to the players that can't lure to save their life and wipe 24 hogs off the map. If I don't kick these clan members, because their bases are poorly levelled, they lower the "Strength" of my clan, so we're matched with a comparatively weaker clan. Which my active players can then take advantage of..
Kick them: If I kick these players, then the opponent clan has to focus their attacks on my active stronger players (good thing). However it matches me with a stronger clan, and my players , as many of you have described, aren't good at attacking.

I've seen clan chats talking about a TH 10 base, level 8 walls and Level 2 infernos, L3 crossbows and maxed wizard towers. They were basically saying it's impossible to 1 star that base.. Pure farmers haha.

So I think I'll leave my inactives in as long as their CC is centralised and give them strong CC donations for now.

6> Trophy armies: One thing here though, for some reason every base I look at I think Balloonions will fail (I think when you have so much time to scout you actually think too much) SO then I find myself overbuilding armies and wasting resources to build GoWiWi etc. We should really have a thread about great CW army compositions based on Troop Capacity.

Also I feel kinda bad but I wish I had someone to coach my in my clan. No-one there uses the forums. Sometimes I feel like leaving for more active clans based on what you guys described but I've worked so hard to get that clan to where it is today. Basically typing out forum tips in clan chat cause they are all too lazy to read, but curious enough to wonder about things :P

Anyways, thanks for sharing your experiences

unfair matchmaking is really an EYE opener

It really is. Just finishe my first war and lost. Thoughts:

-Inactive players really hurt you. 14 attacker not used. All members should take part in order to victor.
-It was rather difficult to plan ahead, should be a way to mark who you should attack or take notes.
-People donated bad stuff. Balloons in my CC doesn't really help me that much. In my clan, after the war, we decided that the people with lvl 3 drags would domate them then wizards if they have 15, 10, 25, or 30 spaces.

I also learned that I should practice with mass drags, balloonians, giant healer and any others I think of. I only managed 1 star with mass drags...:(


But. I like clan wars!

Login today to see that I was attacked by dragons and jump spells lol

The title of the thread could not be more accurate. Honestly, I watched my clan mess up attack after attack and was dismayed. Then I went in for my first attack and GoWiPed my way to 38% and no stars against a th 10 who isn't even close to maxed. Lesson learned: I, along with almost everyone else in my clan (we're farmers) have a lot of work to do when it comes to attacking people my level.

That said, I was also very impressed with parts of our clan's performance. We started doing much better in the second 12 hours, luring better, watching replays, and picking up stars. Heck, even I managed to pull off a 2-star against a decent th 10. We ended up winning handily, because of some clutch victories, good defending, and vastly superior organization. All in all, it was definitely a positive experience, and one we will definitely build on.

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Originally Posted by jakewebs

Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

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Mirrors my experience 101%.....some very surprising results, a bit of ineptitude shown in some places; still a little bit of confusion with the rules etc.,.....in the end however we lost because not enough of our guys actually attacked even tho our average attack score was higher than the enemy. Rather annoying.

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Originally Posted by Altin

Am i the only one who didnt think this was funny?

Pretty old joke, if you ask me...

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Originally Posted by hamwallet

We had a guy deploy 20 giants then dropped 2 lightning strikes on them :/

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Hey, he was trying to create Thor troops. You gotta give the guy points for originality at least!

I am really surprised how there are many, many people not only bad, but actually really dumb in my clan. Even though o tell them 100x the same thing, they do it not the way i say and fail (for example not attacking that guy that received 10 attacks already and nobody got more than 1 star, or to lure the freakind cc troops before attacking). And they arent noobs (in theory), everyone is TH10 here

We lost the war by 1 trophy btw

Yup, another vote for SOME farmers can't attack well developed bases for toffee. We had a lot of hilarious fails in our clan - for example a th10 failed to one star our most premmie th8 with hogs....just went straight for it and ignored cc, heroes and traps.

that was a funny replay. ;)

Agreed with OP even though I'm exclusively a farmer. In fact ever since battle day in our first war, we've been discussing the no-shows, non-donaters, and horrible attackers and who to kick. Thankfully our enemy was horrible, and our better players clearly bested theirs. It wasn't even a contest even though we have eight year old siblings, several wives, etc. that hardly play and have low level bases.

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Originally Posted by Gubert

I am really surprised how there are many, many people not only bad, but actually really dumb in my clan. Even though o tell them 100x the same thing, they do it not the way i say and fail (for example not attacking that guy that received 10 attacks already and nobody got more than 1 star, or to lure the freakind cc troops before attacking). And they arent noobs (in theory), everyone is TH10 here

We lost the war by 1 trophy btw

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Same story here.. Extreme disappointment.

they can't handle advices and criticism.
One of the example -->

I told one guy that diagonal walls are least efficient(he asked me to check his base). Even showed him how same length of wall takes 6 pieces if straight and 8 pieces when diagonal ( and still straight line was a bit lengthier )
His arguement? But i got all my buildings inside anyways? so what ?
I told him : Less efficiency and less compartments.

And the user ragequit after telling me that i shouldn't think i am CoC king and know it all -.-
I even apologized for nothing and still he left.

Other comments i face : No lifer, "you take this game too seriously"

Edit : I have the most premmie defenses. yet their top players had to try twice to 2 star my base. Why? I designed my own layout and it was anti hog, Anti dragon, Anti loon and Anti giant. And Even with gowipe it wouldnt be more than 2 star. How much time it took? 1 hour to figure it all out and while chatting along.

Love it. Its great. My clan is full. First war was a trial, which we lost, dismally, mainly due to lack of participation and horrible mismatch of clans, however after our second war and no more excuses, I've got my eye on at least 10 to kick out.
One of our players is lvl115. In a recent push he didn't get out of crystal3. I demoted him as a result. When i saw his attack in the CW, he was truly terrible. A farmer through and through. I had to apologise for demoting him when i realised just how bad he was and crystal 3 was good going, based on what I saw, lol.

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Originally Posted by jakewebs

Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

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absolutely.
Some people are just a little shy and never share replays, you just see their base progress slowly.
I was really surprised how good some of those members were at attacking and how bad some others were .g.

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Originally Posted by DanielB

What is clan wars like for th7&8's? Up in the th9 & 10 wars you have to use all spells and a VERY expensive and long trained army to get even 2 stars, 3 star is a rarity. Are you guys able to use giants, archers etc? Ugh I would do so much better at that :rolleyes: Cos i totally didn't get 3 starred or anything…

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with my TH9, which is basically a TH8, since I upgraded the day before the clanwar, I used 9 dragons lvl 3 and three rage max level, 10 minions lvl 4 and 5 ballons lvl6 from higher TH in the castle plus the king lvl 10. Got six stars. First attack on a premmie TH10, the other on a maxed TH7. (no higher TH left to attack on the end of the war day).
I would maybe have used hogs like when I was pushing to masters in Forum Elite II, but I am saving the dark elixir for my archer queen atm.

With my Mini, a TH7 with only level 5 barracks, I used BAG and 20 (!!!) wallbreakers, 4 giants lvl3 plus level 6 giants in the castle. On second attack I took 4 hogs lvl4 in castle. Brought 2 lightning for a mortar and healspell on both occasions. I took lesser goblins and barbs than when farming. Got 5 stars alltogether, both attacks on TH7.
Why use goblins at all ? Because they get rid of mines/collectors/storages faster than any other troop and so the other troops can focus on attacking something else.

I agree Completely. An Enemy TH5 Couldnt take out a TH3 on our team.... God Damn amazing

My few co's and i use a txt app that allows us to clash while chatting outside of clan chat.

The new joke between us is; "These people must think this game is a m f 'n game!" (Read in samual l jackson voice)

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Originally Posted by boji

Our clan had a member snipe a TH and end the match.

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we had that happen as well.
Twice to the same opponent, which makes it even worse.
I had a word with those two idiots in chat and hopefully they understood it.

On the other hand, the other clan had to two failed attacks on bases of us with exposed TH. (like really exposed, totally in a corner without traps)
One of them seemed to have overlooked it and attacked the core with giant/healer and failed with 31%.

The other was the replay of the week.
he placed 5 archers at the TH, then placed his giant/healers who lured out the cc troops (archers) who took out the healer, the giants and then went to those 5 enemy archers that were shooting at the TH. He got 0%, we were having a ball watching the replay .g.

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Originally Posted by Crunkstation

Hahahaha, Best thing ive read on here today!

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Lighted up your day right? :)

First of all, i love the new update. Thank SC for a new feature! There's definitely a lot for my clan and the leadership to
learn! The meta game has definitely changed!

Completely agree with the OP. Especially for my clan, being the farmers us all. I saw a replay of one of our highest leveled farmer;

He did a good job luring the barbarian king. Lured the archer queen. Lured the castle troops too (packs of archers and wizards). Then... he dropped 3 lightnings on an exposed dark elixir storage instead of the castle troops. I guess zapper mentality is hard to overcame.

I think Clan wars will gradually increase skill level in attacking among all players. Being the top of my clan, I have to take on the top of the opposing clan, and their bases are bases I would usually skip.

It's made me better at strategizing that's for sure.

Combating IT's as a nearly maxed TH9 is a nightmare but still.

I was surprised at the general lack of skill. One thing I learned for certain: most players cant two star their own base.

i would imagine there is going to be a lot of guild turmoil as everyone is exposed based on (highly) visible results.

also maxing out TH9 is a losing strategy.

one suggestion I have is that your war attacks can be reviewed individually upon clan application.

To be honest this cw is a bit nerve wrecking its like going on stage cos good or bad the show is going on display that people are going to judge you by. We all have our bad strikes, just hope this is not one of them! Glad I got 3 stars for both attacks though I feel for those who messed up. :D that said I was really surprised how good some of our mid levels are and the courage they display in taking on bases higher than them. Cw is a great addition to this game. Added some excitement to this game :D

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Originally Posted by jakewebs

Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

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or maybe they just feel forced by clan wars. not everyone wants to do clan wars.

Well we won 85 to 56 , the dragons had better and higher townhalls than we did, we won by simply having
more active players than they did. We had 6 no shows out of 45 they had like 12 . I guess number matter.

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Completely agree with the OP. Especially for my clan, being the farmers us all. I saw a replay of one of our highest leveled farmer;

He did a good job luring the barbarian king. Lured the archer queen. Lured the castle troops too (packs of archers and wizards). Then... he dropped 3 lightnings on an exposed dark elixir storage instead of the castle troops. I guess zapper mentality is hard to overcame.

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As i am using gems since 6 month to train troops, spells and heal Heros I often her that we champs at higher level ( currently 3700, last three month 3800) are only that high because of gems. People totally underestimated that it takes skill to permanently 2 star maxed bases. I guess cw shows that

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Originally Posted by sommervr

I was surprised at the general lack of skill. One thing I learned for certain: most players cant two star their own base.

i would imagine there is going to be a lot of guild turmoil as everyone is exposed based on (highly) visible results.

also maxing out TH9 is a losing strategy.

one suggestion I have is that your war attacks can be reviewed individually upon clan application.

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Tell that to my max TH9 that has only been 1* in both clan wars so far... Don't regret maxing it at all.

On our way to winning the second war now (56 from 35 attacks vs 29 from 21 attacks). As the number of attacks can tell you, however, quite a lot of our members that remain after the first war's expulsions screwed up terribly bad, so we're going to clean up our roster much further after the war (especially some TH10s who can't even 1-star underdeveloped TH7s... blergh). So, yep, clan wars continue to be even more of an eye opener.

The saving graces are that several of our top attackers still have their second attack, and that most of the enemies are just as bad as our own bad ones.

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I was surprised at the general lack of skill. One thing I learned for certain: most players cant two star their own base.

i would imagine there is going to be a lot of guild turmoil as everyone is exposed based on (highly) visible results.

also maxing out TH9 is a losing strategy.

one suggestion I have is that your war attacks can be reviewed individually upon clan application.

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that depends on how much elixir you are willing to spend.

when my focus is to gain STAR, i always use "All-out dragon attack" strategy

with this strategy as TH8, i can 3 star almost all fellow TH8, and sometimes 3 star TH9 and TH10 if the air defense position is in my favor.

However, at the very least i never gain less than 1 star with this strategy, which means i never lost in attack with all dragons no matter what size is the opponent.

for side note, 3 starring TH9 or TH10 as a TH8 is not really that difficult with all out dragon attack, just give it a try

please keep in mind defence have beem given a very big lift for clan wars. heres what I mean:

• all upgrading buildings are active, as the level they are currently at
• all heroes are always alive to defend the base
• traps are reset after each attack. no "pre-raided" bases
• clan castle troops are replenished, and since we have a full day of preparation you'll be dealing with wizards dragons and the like.

because of that defence is stronger than normal. and these things make a big difference.


on the flip side, you can tailor an army for the base you select, but that's a different style than what we used to do. we used to make an army we're good with, and find the base were good against.

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Clan Wars was a good learning experience for the co-leaders of our clan. First of all, we learned who the good attackers are. Sure, someone can share a replay of good loot or a nice victory, but seeing them get 11% on someone a whole town hall lower than them is surprising, especially when this was their best attack. We also learned who the slackers are. I mean, you can go on every day but once the War starts, you disappear and don't attack. Now we know who needs practice attacking and who deserves the boot. Thanks Supercell, not just for the update, but for helping us learn who is dedicated to the clan! :cool:

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Yes! Totally agree lol.. I now know who are actually team players, braggers, whiners, best attackers, etc etc. Most importantly, it's been a long time since my clan chat has gotten so active. Nice one SC! Keep working on improving it with the tons of suggestions in forums!

Cheers~

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Originally Posted by bandtx

Clan wars has shown me that people are really bad at this game. Someone attacked with hog riders and jump spells lol

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;) That's hilarious. What next?

They left their ths outside, their bases are weak, and they cant attack.

Now we have to make a decision whether to remain a relaxed farming clan or a ruthless warring clan.

Somehow I do better at attacking TH10s than TH9s. Anyone care to explain:confused:

But yes, clan wars do define the active and inactive players. They show who actually has the most attacking skill and then further prove the top players of the clan. As Twister mentioned, not being able to 'skip' bases brings attacking to a whole new level within clan wars.

Before you know it, lv 5 hogs will become a requirement to join clans so you can help win wars. Kinda sucks tbh. I love clan wars, don't get me wrong, but it kind of irks me that it takes out of my resources and time spent farming when I have to wait and use up a lot of resources to make strong armies and spells. Looks like TH10 will be coming sooner than I thought. Still going to max defenses but no longer going to wait til i have maxed legos.

I completely agree with the op, but I would feel bad for kicking an active player for just not being good attacker. Just gonna have to teach them to not suck hahaha