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all those farmers that choose wall > defenses....
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all those farmers that choose wall > defenses....
I'm not 100% sure, but for once... my noob walls may be an advantage 8-)Quote:
Originally Posted by DatClasherDoe
I was under the notion that most farmers maxed defenses before walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by DatClasherDoe
Walls actually come into play with the CW matchmaking. So clans with high level walls and bases will be matched with similar clans. I'm guessing ITD will be constantly paired with trophy clans but we'll see what happens I guess...
Some do it the other way around. I prefer doing four upgrades and dumping all gold into walls until one is almost finished. Then once the building is almost done I start farming for my next upgrade until I have four builders going and then more wall time:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk37
this has been discussed in my clan alot, a premi th10 could score much lower than a maxed th8 or th9 depending on how much score is placed on walls but the ITs and 3Xbow would be far more effective defense
Zach's nooby walls:rolleyes:
I doubt any trophy clans will participate since it doesn't award trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by facescraper
And I guess I need to apologize to my clan for having level 11 walls.;)
Hmm perhaps but most of them live on shields so it gives them something to do while on shield.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
The base progression as a whole is counted in the matchmaking so if clans with heavy wall upgrades and poor defence it won't make a huge difference I wouldn't think to their matchmaking because it is the sum of it's parts that is counted, not just one part like walls. Have to wait and see I guess...
I'm finally not lagging behind on my defenses so I guess I should be groveling at this point :rolleyes: the poor townhall 9s in my clan....all like 4 of them...Quote:
Originally Posted by facescraper
Oh I wasn't referring to you there mate! haha. Just replying to the thread in the second part of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
So much this. They better add a lot of weight to level 10 townhall and inferno towers and very little weight to walls.
As a clan full of diehard maxers, this matchmaking system could totally screw us over for clan wars if they didn't weight things properly. I mean, what? The best base for winning clan wars is a max th10 except for level 6 walls... That shouldn't be the case, should it?
We will see how it goes, but if we are getting paired with clans full of premature, but still well developed th10s, we are going to lose most clan wars, just for trying to play the game most optimally up to this point. I guess they want to encourage more people to move to premature th10 just for war wins... but it's pretty lame to punish those of us who prefer to play this way with perhaps unavoidable war losses.
Weak... I'm sure I will succumb to the pressure and move up to th10 when my defenses finish, but before most of my level 9 walls... kind of sad that they could be making maxing a poor choice. I liked doing it thus far. Almost a point of pride with my clan, as we all do max heroes, walls, and dark troops at th7, and again at th8, something a lot of people seem to really think is difficult for some reason.
Ah well, only time will tell. But for real, th8s with level 4 hogs could 3 star max/maxing th9s if they have a chance to scout and plan the attack (especially if they have a chance to send another player in to test where traps are. Which a good clan will have room for because it only takes 25 players to 3 star 50 bases if they have a perfect run). Yet i am skeptical that th9 players with any combination of troops will be able 3 star max/maxing th10s, considering max th10s are hard pressed to 3 star other max th10s in many cases.
So will clan wars just devolve into stacking your clan with th10s? I sure hope not. They better weight things properly or give us th9s a single inferno...
It will be very interesting to see in what order the bases with in our clans are ranked.
Since the list of war bases we see seem to be in order of strength.
Is my TH9 with maxed defenses and OK walls going to rate higher than a weak/mediocre TH10?
I'll let you know, we got this TH9 with almost full lvl 9 walls and already a bunch of lavas with still TH6 defenses mainly, i'm really curious to see how he ranks against for example a maxed TH8
Oh, I know, but I just finally passed the point of being a prime example of that a few weeks ago, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by facescraper
Hahaha! Congrats man... TH10 takes forever because of the two week upgrades. Thank god they stopped at 2 weeks I don't think I could handle any longer than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
I'm curious myself. We're a clan with all TH9 and below (1 very premie TH10, but he kinda doesn't count).
We have one maxed TH9 and a 2/3 maxed TH9 with full lego walls and several lava's (me). I'm curious if we see two or three TH10's in the other clan or if it will be all TH9's and below.
Should be fun either way and it will obviously be impossible to match clans exactly.
The funny thing about this thread is that heavy wall farmers are clearly scared of the fact that all the gold/time spent on walls may have been a waste because players who didn't max everything will probably have an advantage over them. For example if your simply comparing the gold put into defense in total (not likely) then a maxed th8 or TH9 with advanced walls will get ruined by the premi th10s.
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameloverHD
Idk, I have good walls, But my heroes will hold me back.
Same my heros r terrible, 11 and 9 - they are going to be sent to bed for so long you guys are going to think there in a commaQuote:
Originally Posted by vinnyXo
How are your walls?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swood
Personally, i see walls like an attendance grade in a class. More than 5% wouldn't make sense. Now lvl 20+ heroes on a th9 might be more of a huge impact.
Attacking a th9 with lvl 7 walls is a hella lot easier then one with lvl 10. It should be equal to heros. They both fall into the grind category, and for each lvl its only a little increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDevilsLuck
I'm not sure about you, but I'd say a th9 with level 10 heroes and maxed walls is not as strong as a th9 with level 8 walls and level 30 heroes. Heroes have a double value of attacking strength and defense strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnyXo
Heroes should be weighted more than walls without question.
I agree. Walls never stopped me from attacking, sure it slows me down but its a minor problemQuote:
Originally Posted by TheDevilsLuck
But LvL 20+ heros... they will cause problems.
You can always lure heros and take them out, even if they are 'unlurable"Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDevilsLuck
Hah we all know how who you're talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarnikon
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Originally Posted by vinnyXo
I have bad both;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnyXo
I've never actually farmed for DE or walls, but after I max splash and teslas I'm gonna devote two builders for them: One for walls, one for heroes.
Not all farmers prioritize their walls over defenses.
In fact I would say most farmers prioritize defenses and then walls, or maybe its just me
I am very curious to see how well these rate.
In reality they should only add a small amount of 'points' or whatever system is used to calculate; given many army compositions completely bypass them.
If I as a max TH9 defense, mostly legos and lv 16 heroes get rated higher then a TH8 quality TH10 with Infernos I won't be happy.
Infernos do far more than my walls and heroes do on defense...
I did both, I put more effort into walls since defense was a lot cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaesarII
Supercell is pretty clever with their matchmaking as they've said.
I imagine the algorithm compares walls to walls, ths to ths, heroes to heroes, and etc.
So, for example, if one clan has a 'wall value' of 70 (out of 100), defenses ranked 50 (out of 100), heroes ranked 30 (of 100), and townhalls ranked 8 (out of 10).
They won't face townhalls ranked 9/10, defenses 70/100, heroes 50/100, and walls 10/100. That just wouldn't make sense. Walls will not negatively effect the matchmaking algorithm as much as OP believes.
They'll just face clans that have near equal wall levels with all other things held equal.
Really? I always max ALL my defenses before my wallsQuote:
Originally Posted by vinnyXo
I did all my level 9 walls between defenses with extra gold. I kept all builders busy my entire time at th 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaesarII
I can't imagine XD
If you guys Check my base, you'll know what i mean LOL
Each to his own...Quote:
Originally Posted by CaesarII
I don't really think there are that many?Quote:
Originally Posted by DatClasherDoe
Personnally, I like to always keep a builder free to do walls.
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Originally Posted by Godzilla86
*raises hand :P
And i do that without keeping builder free for walls.
I just keep one free because I'm too lazy to do calculations about when to start build times lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GooseFraba
And because otherwise I would have days without builders and nothing to do.
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Originally Posted by Godzilla86
After a certain point, i might also have to keep 1 builder free for walls.
1- Currently, because of low build times, i can always get 1 builder free after every 1 day. I also do long upgrades along to delay it as much as i can. it's complicated to explain. once all upgrades have minimum of 7 days worth build time, i will not be able to get free builder too often. ( but reaching that point will take lots of time because i delay it by mixing long and short build times:D )
2- Once my legos finish up, i won't be able to empty my storages totally. Currently i saved some legos for that purpose( to spend 8 mil totally) but i will run out of them sooner or later.
Whaaaaaat, one day? How premmie are u? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GooseFraba
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Originally Posted by Godzilla86
look at my base XD you will see. See my signature to know more details.
And this is when i earned 3rd builder in 5 days of CoC (i didnt break 3 day shield ) 4th in 19 days and 5th 2 weeks ago after LOC ended and i won gems for being the best pusher in TH 9 category :p
Can't progress faster than this being gem free :D
Haha, will do when I get home.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooseFraba
Will be a funny sight I guess. Something different than all those TH10 with pink walls lol.
it's been like 48-50 days since i joined my clan and still people lose their minds XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Godzilla86
I have to give long lectures often to present them my point of view.
I have no dark barracks yet. And i know exactly why i don't and why i won't for a month +
everything is a part of a plan :p ( just to differ from clueless premmies :P )
Is it only me ? I find it unfair to give walls a weight in CW, as far as it gives you no XP, and thus doesn't increase your lvl. Maybe supercell should think about taking walls into accounts for your XP as well...
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzilla86
Otherweise what would one do with all the full gold storages while waiting for a week until the next builder is free.
I hate to stop playing because my storages are full and there are no free builders. It's totally frustrating.
All good farmers in my clan (lv9 walls+,Maxed defence,GG:500M+) always have a builder free to do walls.
It is not very good to wait for a builder to finish the building for very many days.I also find that having a
free builder will make the village develop much faster than keep all builders busy.(unless you're not an active player)
On topic: I think that walls shouldn't be weighted because having high level walls will be an advantage.:)
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Originally Posted by chachabomber
Wrong :D
i am an exception and my base is developing faster by keeping 5 builders busy instead of 4.
I know it's only possible for me because i can. I went premmie with full plan.
Edit : i know most of you guys have high level defenses and you guys can't afford to keep all builders busy. i delay the build times by mixing long and short build times. ( discussed above )
Okay, I agree with you in this case. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GooseFraba
I would say supercell is secretive about matchmaking. It has yet to be determined if they are clever as they will release only minimal info on the subject, though many questions have been asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by dossier
Unity, sky, itd.....will u guys be adding noobs to your clan for continuous battling of th9s if they weight everyone in the clan equally? My clan hates the idea of breaking up the clan for easy loot.
take ballonias Tactic and Walls no body cares ;)
When are you upgrading to TH10?Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
I've just spent best part of 6 weeks maxing my Freeze spell. I'm hoping a few 8 second gaps will be enough on Infernos.
You're right though, they will be tough to beat if a Max TH9 gets paired with a premmie TH10.
Best of luck. :)
well, good to hear everyone's opinion bout this..
didn't expect this to have like 6 pages :cool::cool::cool::cool::eek::eek::eek:
A bit hard for Balloonions to 2 star. I'll take that 50% loss and chalk it up as a victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by fortuna
Its the amazing title... which I'm sure was copied from my post. YWQuote:
Originally Posted by DatClasherDoe
Before you say walls are useless:
Who gets them most of the times? Farmers. Where they sit, how may it help them?
- It stops barching on your base.
- It stops people with L5 Wallbreakers which are 95% of players (well I guess not if you bring 20 lol).
Yes, for high lvl gameplay it may not be as important. Hog riders, balloons, mass drags, etc. But just because you can't get them you shouldn't be bashing them.
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Originally Posted by Ratcher
And yes, not to forget. If walls are not so important, why don't they go without them?
it's more of a scare factor. majority won't touch your base. And not all raids are hogs or Air raids. it's mostly Barch or Giant army spam
Absolutely agree with the "scare factor". Still, not useless. Whoever barches already know how much of a pain L8 walls are.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooseFraba
However in regards to CW they may not be of such use.
I have great walls!
But nobby def and heroes, that should be overtake the fact of my walls right? Two VS one
Let's give a moment of silence to those with nooby walls. This will create advantages for both sides.
Also don't forget to wish Zach best of luck: http://zachsnoobywalls.webs.com/
probably better than my walls... just.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge