Collector raids and conspiracy theories

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April 6th, 2014
Smalls

Collector raids and conspiracy theories

I am now 100% convinced that SuperCell actively manages the MM system with regards to Inactives. This weekend has been heaven for me with farming Inactives- and yes I do mean Inactives. Dead bases that obviously haven't been tended to in a long time (it has nothing to do with the boost as none of these bases have the boost on).

Can it really be a coincidence that right b4 the biggest update ever the farming has been the best ive ever seen it on a weekend?

So a big thank you from me goes out to supercell for clan wars and matchmaking manipulation!
April 6th, 2014
RogerDodger1954

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

I am now 100% convinced that SuperCell actively manages the MM system with regards to Inactives. This weekend has been heaven for me with farming Inactives- and yes I do mean Inactives. Dead bases that obviously haven't been tended to in a long time (it has nothing to do with the boost as none of these bases have the boost on).

Can it really be a coincidence that right b4 the biggest update ever the farming has been the best ive ever seen it on a weekend?

So a big thank you from me goes out to supercell for clan wars and matchmaking manipulation!

Well i have been pushing so i havent experienced it myself, but from all these threads that says there bad or good loot, im just gonna stick to the middle and "guess" its luck.:rolleyes: Who knows...
April 6th, 2014
Glaciesvir

Simple explanations is that it comes down to active players vs. Inactives in a certain league and how much do the active players raid. Sidedish being if the raiders give shields or not.
April 6th, 2014
BarbeNoire

*grabs some popcorn*
April 6th, 2014
CaesarII

Take off the tinfoil hat...
April 6th, 2014
vinnyXo

Its the 1 gem boost bringing more loot into the game
April 6th, 2014
Al303

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Originally Posted by CaesarII

Take off the tinfoil hat...

Haha. Tinfoil barb helmet
April 6th, 2014
CaesarII

http://i59.tinypic.com/65bzbq.jpg
April 6th, 2014
treezy

You are absolutelyy right!!!

900k loot twice and and 1mill twice in the last 5 days all from collectors
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
April 6th, 2014
Smalls

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinnyXo

Its the 1 gem boost bringing more loot into the game

It has nothing to do with the boost. These are bases with full collectors that haven't been boosted and haven't been tended to in at least a few days.

Also, it's the weekend so more people should be online and therefore less Inactives. But the Inactives are everywhere.

Hang on, I need to fix my tin foil hat......

ok, all fixed. It's really very easy for them to tweak the algorithms so why don't you think they would do this to get the player base fired up for clan wars?
April 6th, 2014
vinnyXo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

It has nothing to do with the boost. These are bases with full collectors that haven't been boosted and haven't been tended to in at least a few days.

Also, it's the weekend so more people should be online and therefore less Inactives. But the Inactives are everywhere.

Hang on, I need to fix my tin foil hat......

ok, all fixed. It's really very easy for them to tweak the algorithms so why don't you think they would do this to get the player base fired up for clan wars?

Boosts last 1 day, they might of boosted, then have it run out, or the amount of people boosting and not logging in for a day, got considered as a collector base. Which means more collector bases for everyone! It has everything to do with the boost.
April 6th, 2014
AdLadz

Still nothing good for me
April 6th, 2014
Smalls

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinnyXo

Boosts last 1 day, they might of boosted, then have it run out, or the amount of people boosting and not logging in for a day, got considered as a collector base. Which means more collector bases for everyone! It has everything to do with the boost.

normally, I would tend to agree with you. But there are so many bases with dead xbows and inferno towers. If they just left for one day at least some of the xbows and ITs would still be filled. They are all dead.
April 6th, 2014
treezy

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Originally Posted by Smalls

normally, I would tend to agree with you. But there are so many bases with dead xbows and inferno towers. If they just left for one day at least some of the xbows and ITs would still be filled. They are all dead.

something w♥♥♥♥ is goin on bro..if i boosted my collectors i would b online all the time to collect d resources, these people boost then forget to collect?
April 6th, 2014
Coathanger

I think it's more likely a large portion of people are not collecting as often and at the same time a huge population logged into the game for the first time in ages to watch the clan wars video.

Spring time comes around meaning people will be out more often hence spending less time collecting from thier bases.

SC has a huge hoopla about a mysterious upcoming update and releases an in game video encouraging people to log into the game to watch it. These people are then put into MMing with their full collectors.

1 Gem boost also increases full collectors and mines.

Or SC manipulates MMing and openly lies about it when there is no evidence they have ever been dishonest......should take off the hat, it's preventing reason from influencing your thought processes.
April 6th, 2014
Nmills

If i may offer a better theory as to why there is less loot after updates. Some people get bored of the game, stop playing as much and their loot builds up. When the update is released they see the game has been updated and come back to the game meaning their collectors are regularly emptied and thus less loot, once the update has been out a while they are bored again and start playing less allowing their loot to build up, Over time this repeats.

I'm not saying this is what is happening but it seems like a more sensible explanation than your conspiracy theory nonsense. It makes even more sence if you apply it to the current situation. It has been a long time since the last update so many people may have gotten bored and began to play less meaning lots of loot, when clan wars is released the loot will drop, not because supercell have removed the loot but because people who were inactive will see clan wars has been added and will return to try it out.
April 6th, 2014
goodburner

I am having one of the worst loots over the past week with regards to dead collector bases. It was so good before they updated with 1 gem boost
April 6th, 2014
Ovicron

I agree with ya,the loot has overflowed! 140 lvl 8 walls in 5 days... Not common.
April 6th, 2014
Coathanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ovicron

I agree with ya,the loot has overflowed! 140 lvl 8 walls in 5 days... Not common.

70 mil in 5 days? huh? 14mil a day? nutuh? 1.2mil an hour if you play for 12 hours a day? The BSometer just exploded.
April 6th, 2014
Daddy

I've sat with the developers we discussed pretty much every aspect of the game and has some wild sessions where stuff years out was discussed - really wacky ideas came out. I can honestly say hand on heart I absolutely totally and utterly think they are not manipulating loot at all, it's just not they way they work.

They want the game to be the best possible experience for everyone, the one gem boost was a gift to give people a leg up.

Inactives coming and going are part of the natural ebb and flow of people playing the game, coming back etc.
April 6th, 2014
Loraxdooper

Whenever there is a boost, usually the loot improves.
April 6th, 2014
Beancounter

I am not seeing tons of inactives. In fact it has been a couple of days since i raided one.

Sometimes you just get lucky.
April 6th, 2014
Smalls

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coathanger

I think it's more likely a large portion of people are not collecting as often and at the same time a huge population logged into the game for the first time in ages to watch the clan wars video.

Spring time comes around meaning people will be out more often hence spending less time collecting from thier bases.

SC has a huge hoopla about a mysterious upcoming update and releases an in game video encouraging people to log into the game to watch it. These people are then put into MMing with their full collectors.

1 Gem boost also increases full collectors and mines.

Or SC manipulates MMing and openly lies about it when there is no evidence they have ever been dishonest......should take off the hat, it's preventing reason from influencing your thought processes.

Can you ever just relax and have a little fun? You are the most up tight person I've ever seen. Every time anyone posts anything contrary to your opinion you resort to bash tactics. Get off your freaking high horse and just have some fun man. As I said in the Title: It's a conspiracy theory, which implies it should be taken with a grain of salt.

And I have never seen any official announcement from supercell that they don't influence the MM. Just official announcements that they don't remove Inactives. It's two distinctly different things.

Plus, you are saying that people log in, but don't collect what's in their mines? Talk about something that's unreasonable. If they log in, you can bet they clear their collectors.
April 6th, 2014
Coathanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

Can you ever just relax and have a little fun? You are the most up tight person I've ever seen. Every time anyone posts anything contrary to your opinion you resort to bash tactics. Get off your freaking high horse and just have some fun man. As I said in the Title: It's a conspiracy theory, which implies it should be taken with a grain of salt.

And I have never seen any official announcement from supercell that they don't influence the MM. Just official announcements that they don't remove Inactives. It's two distinctly different things.

Plus, you are saying that people log in, but don't collect what's in their mines? Talk about something that's unreasonable. If they log in, you can bet they clear their collectors.

Ok....So dropping an opinion and a couple observations/facts to back those up= bashing?

Maybe it was the hat comment that was bashing. I was merely following the humor related to it in the thread.

You Sir need to lighten up, and you said it very well "Every time anyone posts anything contrary to your opinion you resort to bash tactics."

And yes collecting mines and collectors is not a prerequisite of logging into the game to watch the Clan Wars video. Even if they had collected it takes 2 days or less to fill back up.

Good day, your relationship with SC is quite the odd one, love/hate?
April 6th, 2014
Smalls

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daddy

I've sat with the developers we discussed pretty much every aspect of the game and has some wild sessions where stuff years out was discussed - really wacky ideas came out. I can honestly say hand on heart I absolutely totally and utterly think they are not manipulating loot at all, it's just not they way they work.

They want the game to be the best possible experience for everyone, the one gem boost was a gift to give people a leg up.

Inactives coming and going are part of the natural ebb and flow of people playing the game, coming back etc.

I completely believe that they want everyone to have a good experience. The best advertising is happy customers who get their friends to play. I would bet my house they don't manipulate it for the worse. I just found it crazy that I've never seen weekend loot like this (even the last time there was a 1 gem boost).

And in all actuality I don't care what the reason is. I'm just happy to finally have some great farming after 3 months of frustration. So again, thank you supercell for the boost or for any other mysterious reason my loot has gone through the roof!

Lastly, I did use the term "conspiracy theory". Which always needs to be taken with a grain of salt. So much anger on this board, we need to have a bit of fun.
April 6th, 2014
Daddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

we need to have a bit of fun.

+1000000 to that, it's just a game after all
April 6th, 2014
Spencedshark

Its same with me, i attacked around 8 people with atleast 350000 of each gold and elixar. Maybe its luck maybe it's not.... U never know
April 6th, 2014
Smalls

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coathanger

it's preventing reason from influencing your thought processes.

So you are telling me that quote right there isn't a bash? It's a total insult, and you know it. Every time you post the intent is to diminish the person you are arguing with instead of the merits. If you would have left it with the hat (which I find funny) it would have been fine.

Your argument is fine and you are probably right, its your snide comments I have a problem with.

I have never, ever said that SuperCell manipulates loot for the worse. I know SuperCell tries to find a good balance between too much and not enough loot - and they believe (as they have said on this forum multiple times) that too much loot is worse than not enough. I just happen to think that for the last 4 months it has been very difficult to farm and I let them know my opinion.

Whereas you just bash everyone who has a contrary opinion to yours.
April 6th, 2014
Coathanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

So you are telling me that quote right there isn't a bash? It's a total insult, and you know it. Every time you post the intent is to diminish the person you are arguing with instead of the merits.

Your argument is fine and you are probably right, its your snide comments I have a problem with.

I have never, ever said that SuperCell manipulates loot for the worse. I know SuperCell tries to find a good balance between too much and not enough loot - and they believe (as they have said on this forum multiple times) that too much loot is worse than not enough. I just happen to think that for the last 4 months it has been very difficult to farm and I let them know my opinion.

Whereas you just bash everyone who has a contrary opinion to yours.

It wasn't meant to be a bash or an insult. It was a quip relating to earlier posts you yourself went with. Don't take everything you read so personally, and that comes from recent personal experience on these forums.

Sir countering arguments is not bashing. However I understand it can feel like that when the logic or reason behind an argument is undeniable and that becomes frustrating. This leaves people to twist my words or attempts at levity into arguments against myself which is not what the debate is about. So carry on bashing me while saying i'm bashing you. LoLx10,00,000,000

And you said SC manipulates MMing. That is the issue at hand.
April 6th, 2014
KaiTheBeast0

I've noticed the loot has been great this weekend
April 7th, 2014
IsntThisAStrategyGame

Boost event entices active players to become more active. When they are active (online), they are not put into the MM queue. MM now has a smaller active player pool, and dips more into the relatively inactive player pool to find bases for you to destroy.

That wasn't so hard now, was it?
April 7th, 2014
LunarisBE

This has probably got more to do with the release of Boom Beach. It is also no coincidence that the release of boom beach and clan wars are so close together. SC wouldn't just release a game if the only thing it does is cannibilizing players from their other games. There will of course be interest in trying BB out, so they release Clan Wars to keep players active in BOTH games.

Also, do keep in mind that if those players remain inactive for a long enough period, they will be pushed further back in the matchmaking queue.

All in all: enjoy the loot while it lasts :)
April 7th, 2014
smoggybowman

Personally i think its trophy range that makes all of the difference - if you lurk in gold3/silver1 then the no of actives will far outweigh the inactives.

a little further up i've found loads though. . the kind where theres so much loot that its worth the mahoosive loss.
April 7th, 2014
R3taliate

jjust below 1600 is currently the sweet spot for inactives. I filled up my storages today and I'm now saving for my archer queen
April 7th, 2014
Awness

I play more than 8 hrs a day for 8 months now non-stop. Yes, i do have alot of time in my hands a family to feed. Balancing both is quite easy, for me anyway.

This is what i have observed.

Prior to the maintenance break, loot was not bad, though nexting was becoming a habit, but still was able to find good bases to raid averaging from 100,000 to 250,000.

Maintenance break came. Now this one took longer than usual. Previous main-breaks lasted only a few minutes. But this one was way, way too long.

Right after the maintenance break, and i mean right after!, i was seeing loot over 300,000, 400,000 even up to 800,000!!!! Obviously i raided the 800,000!!! and showed the replay to my clan members. They too were getting the same amount of loot!!!

Coincidence?? NO WAY!! As i have stated before, I have been playing for 8 months and more than 8 hrs a day and there was no way in the world loot suddenly became so huge. I even went straight to the forums and posted a thread 'Loot is everywhere' right there and then and the response was the same!

And all this happened AFTER THE MAINTENANCE BREAK!

Hah! it pays to play longer each day! You get to 'SEE' WHAT'S GOING ON! I've been a gamer all my life....I know how they(devs) work.....
April 7th, 2014
l1lvink

Ive noticed this too: there are more boost raids (obviously) but ive also noticed more 'total' inactives (ITs and xbows out of ammo). Out of interest OP, what TH level do you have?
April 7th, 2014
Awness

Quote:

Originally Posted by l1lvink

Ive noticed this too: there are more boost raids (obviously) but ive also noticed more 'total' inactives (ITs and xbows out of ammo). Out of interest OP, what TH level do you have?

Me? TH9,
maxed giants, archers, healers.
lvl3 minions
lvl3 hogs in 3hrs
lvl4 loons(i don't use em)
lvl5 barbs, lightning & heal.
lvl4 rage.
60% done on skull walls
1 lvl2 xbow
I have 60k DE which i will use for the golem.
lvl6 queen
lvl7 king
full elix storages (about a week now) etc, etc, etc.....
April 7th, 2014
Coathanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awness

I play more than 8 hrs a day for 8 months now non-stop. Yes, i do have alot of time in my hands a family to feed. Balancing both is quite easy, for me anyway.

This is what i have observed.

Prior to the maintenance break, loot was not bad, though nexting was becoming a habit, but still was able to find good bases to raid averaging from 100,000 to 250,000.

Maintenance break came. Now this one took longer than usual. Previous main-breaks lasted only a few minutes. But this one was way, way too long.

Right after the maintenance break, and i mean right after!, i was seeing loot over 300,000, 400,000 even up to 800,000!!!! Obviously i raided the 800,000!!! and showed the replay to my clan members. They too were getting the same amount of loot!!!

Coincidence?? NO WAY!! As i have stated before, I have been playing for 8 months and more than 8 hrs a day and there was no way in the world loot suddenly became so huge. I even went straight to the forums and posted a thread 'Loot is everywhere' right there and then and the response was the same!

And all this happened AFTER THE MAINTENANCE BREAK!

Hah! it pays to play longer each day! You get to 'SEE' WHAT'S GOING ON! I've been a gamer all my life....I know how they(devs) work.....

I'm not looking to start an argument, I just think your observations are skewed. If THIS is your thread it was created 3 days after the time you stated it did. So by your own admission, with the thread provided and your statement that you came straight here to post, loot appears 3 days after maintainence, not immediately after.
the maintainence break length while having the appearance of opportunity does not prove manipulation.
April 7th, 2014
jawdrop6

Im thanking boom beach

Ever since BB came out i think there are many more inactive bases like a small amount of people disbanded their bases to go and play the brand new SC game. Thats my opinion, its definitely not a conspiracy and just enjoy it. I hardly even get collector raids.
April 7th, 2014
mtommy2597

I don't know whether Supercell can manage the inactive bases chance of showing up, but i think its a precaution to this update thats coming out because after almost every update the loot is terrible for a few days before going beck to the average lame loot. And with all the people that are expected to play, the gem boost and perhaps the inactives is an attempt to even it out
April 7th, 2014
omakayas1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

It has nothing to do with the boost. These are bases with full collectors that haven't been boosted and haven't been tended to in at least a few days.

Also, it's the weekend so more people should be online and therefore less Inactives. But the Inactives are everywhere.

Hang on, I need to fix my tin foil hat......

ok, all fixed. It's really very easy for them to tweak the algorithms so why don't you think they would do this to get the player base fired up for clan wars?

Ok just got my tinfoil hat and I'm with you, there has been muuucccchhh more loot lately. They would of changed it in the maintenance break
April 7th, 2014
Awness

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coathanger

I'm not looking to start an argument, I just think your observations are skewed. If THIS is your thread it was created 3 days after the time you stated it did. So by your own admission, with the thread provided and your statement that you came straight here to post, loot appears 3 days after maintainence, not immediately after.
the maintainence break length while having the appearance of opportunity does not prove manipulation.

Ah yes, the ever so popular 'Coathanger'. Sometimes i think you don't understand what people are trying to say and sometimes i don't understand what you are saying

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coathanger

SC must have turned on the loot during the maintenance break eh? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

This was your comment 2 days ago on my thread just right after the main-break.

Listen, i don't wanna get into an argument too, but right now, i really don't know what the hell you're talking about!!
April 7th, 2014
Coathanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awness

Ah yes, the ever so popular 'Coathanger'. Sometimes i think you don't understand what people are trying to say and sometimes i don't understand what you are saying

This was your comment 2 days ago on my thread just right after the main-break.

Listen, i don't wanna get into an argument too, but right now, i really don't know what the hell you're talking about!!

I thought you were trying to say SC Manipulated MMing during the maintenance break and the evidence to support that was your testimony on how loot was good the very day of the maintenance break.

I was trying to show that your evidence of this only spoke to what happened days after the maintenance break. As your timeline of events occurs 3 days after the break. This means there was ample time for other factors to come into play and those factors speak against SC manipulating MMing as it took time for loot to improve.

The comment of mine you quoted is a bit out of context as I was jokingly quoting the post of someone who appeared to take the conspiracy route with maintenance breaks and loot. It was not a direct comment on your thread. Any fan of Monty Python would see that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter174

I've been finding great loot since the maintenance break

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coathanger

SC must have turned on the loot during the maintenance break eh? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...;v=ona-RhLfRfc
April 7th, 2014
jawdrop6

[QUOTE=Coathanger;1691599]I thought you were trying to say SC Manipulated MMing during the maintenance break and the evidence to support that was your testimony on how loot was good the very day of the maintenance break.

I was trying to show that your evidence of this only spoke to what happened days after the maintenance break. As your timeline of events occurs 3 days after the break. This means there was ample time for other factors to come into play and those factors speak against SC manipulating MMing as it took time for loot to improve.

The comment of mine you quoted is a bit out of context as I was jokingly quoting the post of someone who appeared to take the conspiracy route with maintenance breaks and loot. It was not a direct comment on your thread. Any fan of Monty Python would see that.

Digging the monty python. Haha. Awesome stuff.
April 7th, 2014
Awness

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coathanger

I thought you were trying to say SC Manipulated MMing during the maintenance break and the evidence to support that was your testimony on how loot was good the very day of the maintenance break.

I was trying to show that your evidence of this only spoke to what happened days after the maintenance break. As your timeline of events occurs 3 days after the break. This means there was ample time for other factors to come into play and those factors speak against SC manipulating MMing as it took time for loot to improve.

The comment of mine you quoted is a bit out of context as I was jokingly quoting the post of someone who appeared to take the conspiracy route with maintenance breaks and loot. It was not a direct comment on your thread. Any fan of Monty Python would see that.

You thought? Maybe you should start taking reading lessons again. My comment never mentioned anything about manipulation of MM.

Please allow me to refresh your memory:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls

I am now 100% convinced that SuperCell actively manages the MM system with regards to Inactives. This weekend has been heaven for me with farming Inactives- and yes I do mean Inactives. Dead bases that obviously haven't been tended to in a long time (it has nothing to do with the boost as none of these bases have the boost on).

Can it really be a coincidence that right b4 the biggest update ever the farming has been the best ive ever seen it on a weekend?

So a big thank you from me goes out to supercell for clan wars and matchmaking manipulation!

And my reply was:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awness

I play more than 8 hrs a day for 8 months now non-stop. Yes, i do have alot of time in my hands a family to feed. Balancing both is quite easy, for me anyway.

This is what i have observed.

Prior to the maintenance break, loot was not bad, though nexting was becoming a habit, but still was able to find good bases to raid averaging from 100,000 to 250,000.

Maintenance break came. Now this one took longer than usual. Previous main-breaks lasted only a few minutes. But this one was way, way too long.

Right after the maintenance break, and i mean right after!, i was seeing loot over 300,000, 400,000 even up to 800,000!!!! Obviously i raided the 800,000!!! and showed the replay to my clan members. They too were getting the same amount of loot!!!

Coincidence?? NO WAY!! As i have stated before, I have been playing for 8 months and more than 8 hrs a day and there was no way in the world loot suddenly became so huge. I even went straight to the forums and posted a thread 'Loot is everywhere' right there and then and the response was the same!

And all this happened AFTER THE MAINTENANCE BREAK!

Hah! it pays to play longer each day! You get to 'SEE' WHAT'S GOING ON! I've been a gamer all my life....I know how they(devs) work.....

Now, did you see any 'manipulation of Match Making' written anywhere on my comment? or anything pertaining to 'manipulation of Match Making' on my comment.....????

Class dismissed! Mr. Coathanger please do join us again tomorrow for another lesson on READING 101. Thank you...