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Ok I'm trying to save up 5 mill for my level 2 xbows but everytime I lower a shield to attack I hit the next button outrageous amounts of time to find a puny raid for maybe 200k, then if I logoff after that some TH10 can 3 star me with his all out hog attack and heal spells. Honestly I understand that I can get hogged trophy hunting but I can't even farm without getting hogged. It's getting impossible to save up loot it seems without being extremely hardcore.
:confused::confused::confused: Hogs have been rapidly nerfed in like the last 3 updates...
It happens, get over it
Inferno tower no heal ability for TH10's practically seems like you should rush your TH so you can protect your loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarkTheShnark
You get 200k stolen you get a shield, and you come back after your shield is over and you get almost 200k back anyway from collectors, thats what this game is all about! You need to do more raids so you're still ahead no matter what they take. You win some you lose some,just make sure you win more than you lose and you're fineQuote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
I got raided for 330k 300k of it was storages, it takes 40 nexts to find 200k I rarely find a 300k raid, I wouldn't mind as much if I get nailed by Witches and golems or something, but I'm tired of these no skill hog spammers flattening me for all my loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzathegreat
Funny. You can't save 5M for an x bow and you want to jump to TH10 with :Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
2x 5M for infernos
3M for an extra xbow
How will you get that?
You should make more than you lose each day. If you don't, you either don't play enough or your base has a big weakness.
Take advantage for the ressource boost and build your xbows.
Good luck
My TH9 is basically a maxed TH8 but level 7 walls, so I'm not that premature, I'm just not that hardcore of player. It's just frustrating that TH10's can raid us for such high amounts yet a TH9 attacking one isn't very easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackcollector
To kinda clear up a lotta replies here, why should TH9s have to make a specific base just to defend against ONE troop? Doesn't that indicate it's a bit too good?
I have seen plenty of TH9 bases that are relatively hog proof as well. Sure, TH9 is a hoggers dream, but some can be countered; not by nerfing hogs again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzathegreat
Most of the bases beyond 2450 trophies are anti-hogs design. Either completly or partially.
The fact that TH10 can defend against them may be "unfair". Don't forget it costs 2k-2.4k for a hog army to farm. That's quite an expensive way to farm.
They will slow them in the next update. Which will make them harder to use. But with the freeze spell, th9 is still no match for a th10.
Just stick to gold league until your base is ready for th10 with all the goodies.
Good luck
ahh.. Welcome to TH9... first off..Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
like the others said.. deal with it until you can counter hogs.
should we get rid of Dragons too?.. because Drags can own any base.. regardless of lvl..Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
We don't need hogs nerfed, what we need is max big bombs at th9.
I think they're still a bit strong. These guys are just outside the Global Top 200 and running through my base like a hot knife through butter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarkTheShnark
Luckily the trophy losses weren't too bad.
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Maybe it's a sign that you shouldn't be a lv78 TH9 who is in the "DTP family". If you want to avoid hogs when farming, make your base better upgraded. And if you're having troubles with TH10s, just lower your cups to a suitable place where TH10s don't farm (1500-1700). Hogs are a troop and people are using it, it's part of the game. If you want nerfed hogs they might as well carry a foam stick instead of a hammer.
Since a th8 has a disadvantage vs you, should bows n queen also get nerft??
a simple funnel system with well placed bombs and spring traps is your answer.
hitting next endlessly is your penalty for hanging in a low cup area where you have the advantage over others.
kinda off topic but wait, is that true ? I'm just about to upgrade them to lvl 5. I'm not gonna upgrade troop that keep get nerfed each update ?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackcollector
To OP:
Most maxed TH 8 come off level 90, give or take 5 levels. That might give you clue as to why you keep getting nailed for 300/300 k loot. i suggest you to at least max all your splash damage defenses for TH 9 first before working on x-bows.
Yeah, and they will supersize the valkyrie and give her the nuke ability....Quote:
Originally Posted by blackcollector
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lol I'm a level 96 not 78 I haven't updated my sig in months. And as for 'lowering my cups' if I lower any further there is no loot for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhamTheMan
One troop shouldn't be dominant , that's all I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flytrap
Anti hog bases only work against people who can't use hogs so why bother? Once you get into masters smart attackers crack any TH9 ringus base or other that you may be using and 2-3 star you anyways as the heroes make the difference. May as well make a base that protects all round.
As for the OP. I don't mind the hogs the way they are and use them every so often myself. Point is you have to get over it and know that you are going to get beat every now and then. Hogs have been nerfed plenty already and they are great now.
All drag attacks aren't that dominant.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdtx2012
So we should nerf the archer then? Well, 220-240 of those ladies can get you 50% or more on almost any base so does that mean she is overpowered as well? What about the dragon? Mass drag at your level can take out most TH9 and farm TH10 really well?Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
All troops are dominant in their own way... that is the reason for having such a good mix of troops in the first place.
Before they made hogs op I used to cup chase with a normal base design that went by the normal base design mechanics, people used strategy to attack me and their strategy would either win or lose the battle. Now it's just spam your hogs down put heal spells on them when weak and it's an instant 3 stars. I can normally limit it to two stars with a hog base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
As a th 10 who uses giant/healer/gob, I can tell you that as a new th 9, I can easily get 3/4 of your storages, or all of them if I have a rage spell or a hero or you have a bad setup. Yes, th 8-9 is a tough transition: now every single player in the game can get good loot from you when you have 3 mil+ in your storages. My suggestions: put your th (and maybe dark elixir) in a corner, stay on for as long as you can, and be patient.
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Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
Would you rather them do a mass Dragon w/rage raid? It happens it's part of the game get over it.
First off only being hit with 50% wouldn't be so bad. Second of all all dragon attacks are so costly go ahead and use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
hogs such already there have been nerfed already. dude you are behind hogs got nerfed a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
plus if you base is high level hogs dont get far im levle 81 at a th8 wonder how i feal when a them th10 and th9's steal 300k from me.
you are low level angrycatfish you just need to upgradeyou wizard towers and archer towers to high level then hogs dont touch you.
And spending over 2000de on a hog spam is not expensive!?!?! Think before you post mate... really!Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
I'm logging off now so I won't reply to your trolls, I've filed my complaint to SC, cya.
That word...I don't think it means what you think it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
We had a clan trophy push on for the last week. Since I hit Crystal 2 every single attack on my base has been hogs. I am a fully maxxed Th9 working on walls so about 40% of them fail but still. every single attack? This doesnt set off warning bells for anyone? That literally only one attack strategy is used? To me this screams unbalanced.
Hey leave my trolls alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
this says it all
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Originally Posted by Stefm211
the cost to train enough Hogs to attack you sometimes makes it not worth it.
you whiners need to face reality and learn not to care when you are demolished.. just raid other people.
you don't think other people are complaining when you bash them 100%?
Wait until masters then. 17 of my 20 defenses have been mass hogs... and I assure you, 40% of them will not be failing as the attackers are much smarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefm211
Again, I don't think this means there is an unbalance. Clashers really only use 5-6 troop combos when you look at the grand scheme of things. If that is the case should we nerf loonions? GoWiWi? What about healers or giants for the millions that use only that strategy from TH7-TH10?
The thing to learn here is that you just have to adapt the best you can to the trophy range you are in. I know at 2800-3000 as a TH9 I'm going to get hit with hogs almost every time (although last night I was hammered with GoWiWi which was hilarious to watch!) so I do my best to make sure my base is designed for them to only get 1-2 stars. I'm okay with it.
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Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
even your fellow clan-mates think you are crying..
see page 2:
"Maybe it's a sign that you shouldn't be a lv78 TH9 who is in the "DTP family". "
If they nerf hogs again, they will be basically useless like before they made their priority defenses. Imo, they should be and are still used through crystal+ leagues. You need to make an anti-hog farming base if you're having so much trouble with them. Hogs are not op anymore. Also, the townhall 9 loot is in gold 1. Hope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
i am not complaining. As I said a fair amount of the attacks fail, but SC is a company that has nerfed troops and spells in the past because they were used too much and they wanted to sponsor diversity in the game yet between Crystal 2 and masters 3 I have seen only one attack strategy being employed. Thats not really diverse, now is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rdtx2012
Edited to add: I did have one failed loonian attack that gave me 31 trophies last night so in a week of attacks one slightly interesting replay
The bottom line is that you CANNOT log in, break your shield, do one attack and then leave. The same guy that took 200k from you probably had to search just as much. Yes, when you log off it takes a raid to gain back what you lost. You need to do 4-5 and then you will stay on the positive side.
Well rushing to th10 makes no sense if you cant save up for inferno.
since i am a farmer and having 4m+ in storages, i skipped th9 nearly completely cause its too vulnerable to th10.
I made all my xbows up to lv3 and then rushed to th10 where i made the new xbow and the 2 discotowers. End of the story :)
it payed for itself easily and it was the best decision i could have made. But it doesnt make sense if you cant get 2x5m for infernos.
I just want to friendly remind you that you can use hogs too.:)
Actually in comparison they are relatively equal. You can generate 432k of elixer a day. You can generate 3,840 dark per day (at TH9 with Level 5 drills). 10 drag attack is 360k and 40 hog attack is 2,320 dark. One uses roughly 80% of your daily intake and the other uses 65% of your daily intake. Not a lot of difference there.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
So you want Hogs nerfed a 4th time in a row to render them useless.. but leave army comps like GoWiWi and Balloonions and mass dragons intact?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefm211
People need to adapt to the surroundings and build a base that can counter most troops.
I'm almost max TH9 and I DON'T CARE if i'm smashed.. that is the mindset you have to have at TH9. who cares if you are smashed by hogs.. smash other people and revenge and get your loot back.
Anyhow, I haven't lost more than 50k gold in my last 20 defenses.. so I must be doing something right.
Being told what you don't want to hear isnt the same as being trolled.
I have a mid-ish th 10. The last push I made it to 2900+.
I was attacked by low lvl champs using maxed gowiwi.
easy two stars for them EVERYTIME and revenge is next to impossible(they would shield up)
There is a pecking order. It never crossed my mind that gowiwi should get nerfted, but rather I need
to drop, keep upgrading, so I can compete next time.
Cupping is vastly different from farming. Sure a TH9 can beat off a hog army if defenses are near maxed and they got a good layout - cup wise. But post those defense logs, cause I bet you lost a TON of resources. Unless you spend all your gold and keep resources low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
A fresh TH9 with lvl 1xbows is just going to get crushed by hogs. There is no army other then mass drags which relies entirely on 1 troop. But mass drags takes forever to cook. Unlike hogs, which makes it an ideal farm army.
Heck, they boosted infernos just to counter hogs. And now whole armies get decimated by infernos just to keep TH9 from steam rolling weaker TH10s with hogs. Nerf infernos and nerf hogs.
Take infernos out of the picture and skilled TH9 hogger could probably take out a high level TH10. Which is just dumb.
Training all Drags takes something like 5 hours, now someone training a 5 hour army deserves to 3 star me...Quote:
Originally Posted by hogyh03
Someone spamming all Hogs from a corner which only take over an hour should be a big no no....
U cant expect everyone to got to TH10 just for the IT. Hogs should be as slow as Balloons IMO
[QUOTE=scanners107;1667796]Training all Drags takes something like 5 hours, now someone training a 5 hour army deserves to 3 star me...
I only have 200 spaces in Army camps so only takes an hour and a half.
[QUOTE=hogyh03;1667812]haha wow how did i end up at 5 hours hahaha...Quote:
Originally Posted by scanners107
[QUOTE=scanners107;1667820]Haha idk. My only point was that mass hog and or drag attacks are just part of the game we all deal with it. ♥♥♥♥ happensQuote:
Originally Posted by hogyh03
^^ This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beancounter
If there were no disco infernos, most of the TH10s would be crying bloody murder about hogs being OP. Which is exactly what happened before SC introduced disco infernos.
Hogs are a very powerful army, but it can cost upwards of 3,000 DE along with upwards of 200,000 elixir. That's roughly the same totals as a fully maxed GoWiWi army. So of course hogs can flatten a TH9. Wouldn't GoWiWi do the same? If people choose to use a full trophy army for farming that's their business.
want to complain about it? Complain about GoWiWi too while you're at it.
[QUOTE=hogyh03;1667833]But maxed TH9s shouldn't be getting wiped out by stupidly fast Hogs...Quote:
Originally Posted by scanners107
Even spamming Drags or pekkas on my base your not getting more than 2 stars.
[QUOTE=scanners107;1667820]An all drag army (12 drags) takes 3h45' max and that's only if you brings 5 spells (45' each), 12 drags takes 1h30'Quote:
Originally Posted by hogyh03
I've noticed lots of people being very opinionated on this thread. I'm sorry if my disliking hog spamming offends you, but I have this thing against getting 3 starred by a 1 hour hog army.
Not offended. I'm using it to try and hit Master for first time. I would be using balloon's and minions but my balloons aren't maxed yet. How have people fared with the anti-hog bases?
Idk, but i think this might blow your mind, you can use hogs too. Nothing stops you from hogging your fellow th9.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
You as a th9 can hogs and 100% a th9, there's absolutely no reason why a th10 can't do the same.
but it's ok if you have that hog army and bash fellow TH9s?Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
it's not about opinions.. it's fact.. you are TH9.. get into the mindset that defense means nothing to you as long as you are TH9
Mass hoggers are annoying because most rarely have any DE worth revenging, since they blow all their DE on fast cooking hog armies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
True, but mass hogs cook under 30-40 minutes. With a boosted SF you can have 4 heal spells ready to go in that time. More then easy to slam out a number of raids in a session. As long as you net 1-2K de per raid you should easily be able to sustain that army for a while and turn a strong gold profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
Mass drags costs close to 700K elixir(counting troops and 5 spells) for one raid and takes 1:30hrs. No one farms with mass drags and no one farms with GoWiWi (another 2 hr army). Lots of guys farm with hogs. Probably one of the strongest armies you can cook under 40 minutes. Probably stronger then balloons when farming TH9.
Once my wiz towers and xbows finished upgrading at th9 i made an anti hog base...
It works... Very well...
I am at 2900 trophies and get hogged all the time... I logoff and /pray hogs try to hit me, even th10 hoggers. The best they have done is one two stars the rest half have failed or only squeaked out a 50%. Every attack with giants have failed, and gowiwi gets only two stars with moderate heroes...
I have won about 50% of my defenses... As a th9 in the middle of masters.
Bring on the hogs, I will chew em up. You nerf them, I will see more air attacks and gowiwi which win more often, so think about it... What would you rather get hit by? Armies that lose regularly to bases that can defend them? Or get barrages of dragons and gowiwi constantly?
Lol chill, I only replied to his comment about his drags army takeing 5 hours to cook, nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beancounter
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Originally Posted by Jcman
Please reread the orginial post. He is not talking about cupping, but farming. Now go gem your gold stores to max in masters and post your defense logs. Love to see how much loot you lost on those cup "wins"......
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
These threads get old, fast.
Lol, I am always chillin! Cheers bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
Then don't revenge them?Quote:
Originally Posted by nesnnesn
beauty of the game is you don't have to attack anyone you don't want to. Just press next till you find someone with loot worth taking. If a player wants to use all their de to farm it's none of your business, it's theirs.
And to be clear, my hogs are level 1, I reach champ league with balloons, not hogs. I just understand the fight because I too get hogged fairly often and I know how frequently they're used in higher leagues like masters.
Loons and minions just took 3k de from meee. Nerf them while we're nerfing things:mad:........jk
My base is a hybrid base, when I'm farming i move the elixir stores and townhall out and gold stores in... It performs even better in gold... I loot 100 times more gold than is taken from me with my antihog type base.
The vast majority of attacks on a decent th9 in gold farming are giant attacks, not hogs, and those are just weak attacks, easy to fend off. With proper funneling and deflection they get nothing. Like i said, hogs bounce off a good base, you can have both.
If farming... Move th out and elixir storages out... Most ppl will take the easy elixir and the th. While beating on your th and elixir stores, their army is cut way down. If they don't, they are hoggers and your anti hog design takes them out.... I fail to see the issue.
Bring on the hogs I say...
Seriously!! The biggest update yet has been announced and you are complaining about getting killed by hogs. And they have already been downgraded in the past updates. So be quiet and be grateful that clan wars is coming!Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
That's exactly the problem, I need loot to prepare for clan wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by RVP
Agreed, hogs have been nerfed way too much. I think SC should just leave them as is. My opinion is hogs are strong depending on how the player know how to raid with hogs. Others are well experienced raiding with hogs so even with Infernos set to multi-mode they can still execute with them and can still win. :(
Then you wouldn't mind if us TH9's got an inferno tower? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Palalay
THE PIGZ ARE UNSTOPPABLE!
pigz pigz pigz sing song sing
Nothing needs to be Nerfed...The troops are great as is :-)
If anything needs to changed it's the Valkyries to Lvl 100
As you can tell from my signature, I love hogs. SC, please dont nerf'em! :rolleyes:
Nerf them or not, doesnt matter to me XD
no dark barrack yet and my last hog defense, player disconnected mid raid ( his hogs died to giant bombs regardless.)
And that hog raid was a month ago o_o
And why? because i always spend gold and why would anyone raid me for DE by spending more DE than he can earn.
Maybe you should change your base? I feel like hogs are way too weak now
I've tried countless hog bases they all fail to smart attackers. I win a few to the people who won't understand it's a hog base. But it's frustrating because I miss making an original base with my defenses INSIDE my walls. Not leading them all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlcblx
Firstly, the complaints of hogs are numerous and hogs have been nerfed a lot. I dont think it should go any further (no, I do not use them myself). But the problem might not be the hogs, but rather your raiding, trophy range, or layout if you struggle to get 5 mil for level 2 xbows. Also, ringus actually works against hogs and I am a TH9 myself and the defenses are IN THE WALLS. I defend quite well against hogs and gaints, along with others that use the base(go look at the post).Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAngryCatfish
It isn't hogs that are OP. If they didn't have a heal spell with them, they would be wiped out in no time. It is the heal spell that is OP and that is what puts the hogs to full health over and over.
I have to disagree with you there... Do heal spells make any other troop OP? No, the opposite usually, since rage spells are used more often for other troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbsexton51
It is the hogs speed and jumping ability that makes them strong. If you want to call them OP at all that is due to people's stubbornness to build a base that can defend against them. Remember, a good antihog base also defends against giants well... These are by far the most commonly used heavy troops in the farming ranges where most people are.
So, yes, hogs against a th8 or lower is Just plain overkill. Anyone th9 and up that has a problem with hogs is due to a premie base and or poor base design.
There's no anti hog base for TH9 and below that hogs can't destroy. It all depends on whether the attacker knows what he's doing or not. I've used hogs on maxed TH9 antihog base designs where my hogs set off every single spring trap and giant bombs on the base but I was still able to 3 star the base. Hogs are way too strong for something so easy to raid with.
If you have an unlurable CC or a Cc that takes a third or more of the attackers hogs to lure! the anti hog base will usually win.
if it is the typical ringus with still easily lured CC, the counter to that base is easy... You use 4-6 hogs on two corners, take those out, rest of the hogs in between and they go right for the center for easy two star minimum.
So a good anti hog base is not "just" a ringus, but the CC has to be dang hard to pull, and double bombs well placed just away from the wiz towers so heal spells are not available for much of the base.
change ur base, or simply put 2 giant bombs together to wipe there army out.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teaas
Double bombs nestled between 2 defensive buildings are the best sub-TH10 anti-hog weapon.
Those of you that think Hogs are OP, try raiding some infernos. Even level 1s with a premie TH10 base. It's frustrating, because they will melt and turn to bacon.
I know that hogs have been nerfed in the last updates, does anyone know the stats prior to it?