Matchmaking assisted by calculated structure and upgrade worth count

I couldn't find this covered anywhere so I'm posting my idea...

The only true way to gauge a player is based on the structures and upgrades they have amassed over time. Not level, not trophies (which can be manipulated)... Plain old how many buildings, walls and upgrades you have and what they are all worth...

Create a calculation of what each structure is worth based on what level it is, even walls, and upgrades for troops and come up with a total based on all of this. If your total worth number is considerably higher than the person's who you are attacking then you shouldn't be getting as much loot and vice versa or maybe not even paired at all. It's basically a more accurate system than the simple "your town halls is higher than theirs" one. It could be even broken down more specific based on offense worth vs defense worth. I however would not factor in Clan supplied troops... if anything this would be one more enticement to joining clans and having/providing troops to fellow clanmates.

This would work on a lot of levels especially helping players that generally suck.

I had something like this.... but just based on lvl. People didn't like it cause you could manipulate it.

This however is pretty cool sounding. Don't know how you could manipulate this. Maybe only with clan troops like you said.

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Originally Posted by Galactor

I couldn't find this covered anywhere so I'm posting my idea...

The only true way to gauge a player is based on the structures and upgrades they have amassed over time. Not level, not trophies (which can be manipulated)... Plain old how many buildings, walls and upgrades you have and what they are all worth...

Create a calculation of what each structure is worth based on what level it is, even walls, and upgrades for troops and come up with a total based on all of this. If your total worth number is considerably higher than the person's who you are attacking then you shouldn't be getting as much loot and vice versa or maybe not even paired at all. It's basically a more accurate system than the simple "your town halls is higher than theirs" one. It could be even broken down more specific based on offense worth vs defense worth. I however would not factor in Clan supplied troops... if anything this would be one more enticement to joining clans and having/providing troops to fellow clanmates.

This would work on a lot of levels especially helping players that generally suck.

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I agree. Trophies are useless. TH10's with 1200-1600 trophies all day for loot. Picking on people. And level, also not very reliable.

When I watched chief pats video of CW. He said its based off buildings/troops/upgrades for the clan to get the best match. Correct?

If that's the case it should be possible for players

Why hasn't this been discussed more? Its a great fix. Pat said this is how they are making clan wars work.

Anyone out there?

I completely agree... each base should be issued a defense value. 100 for completely max th10.... Which i'm sure they do to a degree. But the profile of the player should say the defense value.... and on the clan profile page show what the clan's total defense value is. That why we can see how close we are matched and maybe we'll stop complaining...

But until then, visual comparision is showing the matchups suck

They did this for wars to make matchups relatively fair.

But, for raids, you've picked the trophy level you're fighting at. If the matches are generally too tough, then fix it.

The trophies are there as a challenge to players to see how far they can push with what they have (setting aside some of the stuff that goes on in the upper trophy ranks). No one is forced to chase trophies.

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Originally Posted by kNightsfallen

I completely agree... each base should be issued a defense value. 100 for completely max th10.... Which i'm sure they do to a degree. But the profile of the player should say the defense value.... and on the clan profile page show what the clan's total defense value is. That why we can see how close we are matched and maybe we'll stop complaining...

But until then, visual comparision is showing the matchups suck

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As I understand it (from previous posts) the matchmaking has a range of acceptable strengths, plus or minus, to make an acceptable match. It may just be that the range is too wide to give a 'good' match every time.

It also depends a lot on how they rate all of the defensive buildings, is a L2 inferno better than a L4 XBow?
How they rate Heroes, how they rate troop strengths (L6 wizards available is how much better than L5)

So the first problem for 'strength' is that we may not agree with SuperCell's formula, so matches look worse than they are.

The second problem is that to get a PERFECT match it would assume that another clan, with the same number of members and the same strength bases is searching for a clan war at exactly the same time. So because the pool of clans that are searching isn't that big we can imagine that SuperCell loosen up how tight this match making has to be.

So if a clan has 5000 points (based on the base strengths etc) then perhaps it is matched with clans ranged from 4800-5200 points. So we see some imbalances. I'd also expect that if you have been waiting a long time (?) that maybe they relax that range?

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Originally Posted by toMsonsLLC

I agree. Trophies are useless. TH10's with 1200-1600 trophies all day for loot. Picking on people. And level, also not very reliable.

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OP:
I am not sure if you are talking about war matching or normal next-next-next-next attack matching. If you are talking about war matching this is already how the system works. The details of how it is calculated are not readily accessible to anybody outside of SC but it has been pretty clear that level, trophies and TH have nothing to do with it. Only troop and structure strength. PhilISuppose covered this in more detail above already.

If you are talking about the next-next-next attack matching then I disagree with you entirely. Currently the entire balance of the games economy (which drives the cost of all structure and troop upgrades) is based on the trophy system. Making it incredibly difficult for TH9 and TH10 to get loot from only evenly upgraded opponents would collapse the end game economy.

toMsonsLLC:
I tire of hearing this over and over again. The people who have the most expensive upgrades, who have been playing the game the longest have just as much, if not more right to the low lying inactive/abandoned bases as the lower level TH players who can get easy loot anytime of any day. A TH6 can EASILY "pick on" your TH8 if you don't log in for 24 hours, and they will take more loot from you than the TH9 or 10 that has dropped to farm. Players who are letting their collectors fill up are not being picked on, they are presenting themselves as easy targets to ALL opponents. Lazy players are the only reason barch tactics work and it has nothing to do with TH level. As for the rare occasion when a TH9-10 stomps through your TH6-7, they are either trophy climbing or a fool because they will never recover the cost of the troops it took to steamroll you. Just laugh that they wasted their time and go barch another inactive village.

Well to be honest, I think the Matchmaking system is fine. If it was based on Levels or anything else, then you can never gain much resources. I see that you want a system where every base will have a ATT/DEF point and only a base with same point will be matched up. If this happens, it will become impossible for the attacker to 100% raid him, which will lower your loot income and make your progress slower.
And you guys a have fair point that a TH5 guy being raided by TH10 because they have same trophy. But the game has a Loot formula. So if a TH5 player has 200K gold and is attacked by TH10, the TH10 guy can only loot 10K to 20K.
The system is balanced and needs no change.

Why is this bumped...

• I was referring to the next-next-next matching system.
• I don't plan on blocking people entirely from attacking one another except when it's completely useless to see in the matching system (see below).
• I never said anything about getting less loot for even leveled players. I'm talking about a risk vs reward system where you would actually get more loot for attacking someone equally powerful compared to yourself. Low loot for easy kills, high loot for equally or more powerful foes. This would let the better designer/strategist win which is sort of the point of this game right?