the whole point is cw is to not have ppl opt-out..Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty0011
best way to opt out is to leave the clan
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the whole point is cw is to not have ppl opt-out..Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty0011
best way to opt out is to leave the clan
I plan to participate. But if a clan member is on vacation/unable to play for a period of time, having them included in the war would hurt your chances of winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdtx2012
necessary evil i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty0011
My guess.. you drop to a trophy level.. so that you are not included in top 10x of the clan
say your clan has 28 members.. just be in the bottom 3 and you'll be excluded from the war since it's in multiples of 5
Trophy level doesnt determine your 'strength' in this regard, and the strongest players are used in the clan war. So i dont think this works.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdtx2012
Edit: after catching up, i am wrong. You can exclude yourself from being in the cw by dropping trophies...
Just got to work and I'll start trying to get all of Sneaky Dave's answers edited into the OP, and I'll change the answers that SC has changed up. Be patient, I'll have it done soon as I can :-)
I would like to know more about the way the clan castle works during the prep phase. Like once the clan castle is filled and locked in do you hold the same troops on every attack even if they're destroyed during a previous attack? Do the same donation limitations apply in the prep phase? Are the prep phase troops also used for attacking?
Update Release 22nd April?
I read it some times in the Wiki, is it right?
20 Days Ressource Boost (My heart is bouncing) ;)
AND is this CC lvl 6?
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h...d=0CJwBEK0DMBU
Think it was over looked.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpong
From what I gathered the bottom people in trophies would be excluded if it were round to a multiple of 5. Not too sure though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SageAbkatsor
i'm not talking about strength. i'm talking pure numbers..Quote:
Originally Posted by SageAbkatsor
if you are a clan of 28.. and declare war on a clan with 24 members.
the top 20 will be the ones participating.
Can you check the opponents war base's cc while scouting it?
Thank you for taking time to answer these questions!
They could drop their trophies so they are at the bottom of the clan and likely to be excluded based on the round down to 5 rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty0011
Trophies have nothing to do with clan wars apparently....its all based on your defenses and walls and heroes levels and nothing elseQuote:
Originally Posted by MattCoC
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Originally Posted by Jazzathegreat
trophies have nothing to do with MATCH MAKING..
however.. if you not are in the Top 5x of the clan when you match up, you will be excluded from the war
If you are bottom of your clan and there needs to be some rounding done you will be excluded i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzathegreat
From my understanding, it has nothing to do with how your clan is being matched with another clan, but it is still taken into account when selecting which members will be participating in the CW, as well as for selecting opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzathegreat
Do I understand it correctly that the system will select oponents in both clans, or will you be able to discuss that within your clan ?
If your clan has 48 members and the war has only 40 members based on the two clans matching up - the bottom 8 in trophies are excluded from your clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzathegreat
This is the only way that trophies matter. This has been covered 3 or 4 times in the last few pages.
"clan castles can contain loot now."
Sounds like the loot that we win after a war goes into our cc and can be looted?
I'm curious how this works, something I haven't figured out yet. I assume if we use it then it can't be looted, but I would like to hear more about how this works.
Ahh i see,i wondered how they would do that...Quote:
Originally Posted by MattCoC
apologies my friend
It was to my understanding that only a max of 30 players are included in the clan war.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattCoC
Wait so will only 30 people from each clan get to participate?
It seems cc loot doesn't increase our storage capacity maximum, which raises a few questions. Will my expenses come from my storages and only come from the clan castle if i run out of resources in the storages? Or will the cc res be spent first before loot in storage? What percentage of loot is available from the cc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiffster
Am i wrong? Will cc res raise the maximum capacity of each type of loot? It doesn't seem to have in any of the videos...
So r u saying that only the top 5 players get the be in clan wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by rdtx2012
People need to read the whole thread instead of asking the same question over and over again. It doesn't take long to find a Mod answering questions. I mean Pages 20-28 all those questions were answered by Sneakydave...Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarkTheShnark
No the 30 people limit is no longer true.
This was debunked. Everyone can participate if its a 50vs50 war. If its 50vs 48, then only the top 45 from each clan will be on defense in the war, but everyone still can make attacks...Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarkTheShnark
I believe this is the official stance now. There has been some conflicting messages from the mods here :|
If anyone has questions start reading from page 24 and on because SneakyDave was on earlier answering tons of questions! I seriously recommend you check it out before you guys ask the same questions over and over :o
oooooooooooook. Thx for answering my question. Sorry if i don't wanna read 32 pages of responses... and the OP contradicted itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullone
Hey, all questions Dave answered have been edited into the OP, and I corrected the answers Dave said have changed. If more questions get a green or red to answer I'll edit it again. If you notice anything I may have missed please PM me. Thanks for all the great questions guys. Thread started with just a few of my questions and has evolved a ton, and I feel like I've learned a heck of a lot. Hope y'all do too.
I guess gemmers will have a advantage of donating strong troops to clan mates making it easier to win stars, maybe I should join a gemmers clan ?
Very informative, more so after i read all the pages, took all of 15 mins. I suggest the rest of you try it before posting the same questions over and over and over again but thats a dream just like my lvl 7 unicorn troop! Anyway i have a question that probably cant be answered but...
Why the small storages on the clan castle? I dont see the purpose in it. I mean i get more storage space, but why not just add another level to storages or add more. Is there some reason for this linked to clan wars itself?
So only the top 30 members can compete? Can someone confirm this! J/k
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Originally Posted by Macattack0
You have 24 hours to make and donate troops, as of right now no troop takes longer than a hour to make. And if your thinking of joining a gemmers clan, hope your a gemmer yourself or else your ratio is going to stick out like a sore thumb.
What I'm seeing is that a lot of people from pages 20+ are repeating questions that have been answered many times by the helpful people active on this thread. You guys need to read the OP before asking your question as this just clutters the pages:rolleyes: Anarchos is doing a great job putting all the unanswered questions into the OP with answers just below. Let's not waste his work:cool:
What's clan wars. Can anyone send me a photo of it
Ok I looked at all the questions and this was not one of them the loot you win from CW can u spend it like normal loot and is it the first to be spent or the last i am wondering about this so will the max gold and elixir you can hold now be 9.5 mil? Plz tell me
What's op? I'm new to forumsQuote:
Originally Posted by GameloverHD
I'm not sure the specifics of how it will work, how it will be used or stored or anything, but Dave said when you gain loot from Clan Wars it will be held in the CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DipNFalls
OP has a few meanings. As referred to in this post it means Opening Post. Other meaning is over powered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaacd43
Thanks bro for trying to answer, i appreciate it. BTW thanks for all the hard work keeping the info organized, I know its not easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
Reading this thread was kind of like going through groundhog day... The same question that has already been answered asked over and over and over....
JUST READ THE THREAD!!!
Thank you very much OP for organising this and thanks to sneakydave for all his best efforts to answer the many questions.
It has proven very informative!
My post a few above yours says the same thing:rolleyes: They ask the same questions when it was answered right above them:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by T0M
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Originally Posted by GameloverHD
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Originally Posted by DipNFalls
Thanks guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by T0M
Thank you very much! It answered to me a lot of questions. It's been very helpful! :D
The question wasn't asked on the page I asked, nor was it on the OP. I spent hours yesterday dissecting the rules of clan wars, I did not feel like going over 30 pages on my cell phone. SC should have had a FAQ and guide introduced the very first minute clan wars was announced.
I didn't say it was you....I've just noticed the same questions being asked repeatedly:rolleyes: There would be 10 pages if the same questions weren't asked over and over:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpong
What kind of rewards / loot bonus are we looking at for winning a clan war or participating? Will it be something substantial and useful?
how many days, weeks or months until the actual release of the update?
This question has been asked so many times I'm already barfing:rolleyes: It will come out "soon". There is no actual release date. Many people (including me) think it will be on April 9th. Please just read the OP, its there for a reason:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lmercier2013
The one thing I would like answered is this....
Has information that the mods have changed?
http://i.imgur.com/IQo1EQZ.jpg
Earlier it was stated about the top30 bases only being used for defense, but then sneakydave said a number of times that this is not the case...
http://i.imgur.com/BM2k3b3.jpg
So has the information that mods have changed?
Or have mods misinterpreted the information?
Thanks
and sorry dont mean to cause a fuss
:)
Yes SC made changes. I edited it into the OP along with a few other changes not long ago. Hope it's clarified now.Quote:
Originally Posted by T0M
No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
Makes sense why quite a few people have some confusion.
Thanks for clarifying buddy!
I believe they are currently making the FAQ and will have it released very soon. I doubt they could have made a fully working FAQ before the initial reveal because everyone thinks differently and comes up with many many different questions, and not all could have been anticipated.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpong
Anytime! glad I could clear it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by T0M
Haha we need more sneak peaks. This is confusing
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Originally Posted by Killer35616
There won't be any other sneak peeks unfortunately. Gotta wait till the update is released to see all the new changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]
Judging by the time of day, unless they plan to release sneak peaks at 5 pm EST, it looks as if the youtubers will be our enlightenments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer35616
Hopefully they have all gotten their facts straight and will be saying the same things. I certainly appreciate what they're doing, but they caused a decent bit of confusion themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpong
Also not too excited about the fact that cup count is used to select the individuals in each clan. I was really hoping it would utilize the same matchmaking criteria used to match up the clans themselves, so the strongest 40 members based on TH level, hero level, wall level, and defenses would be selected - regardless of current trophy count. I think this would be much better and would not, in any way, affect the game outside CW as now people will have to go on mini pushes to participate.
Has there been any new YouTube videos today?
Yes there has been multiple vids chief pat did one godson did Simontay did one all about which helps a lot and i am pretty sure daddy did one as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Drich7177
Heroes that are upgrading will still be active during CW defense. Will upgrading heroes be useable during CW attacks?
Yes, defenses and heros being upgraded during a clan war will be usable as the level they are prior to the upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrlyh
Haven't had a chance to watch them yet but it looks like two new videos are out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drich7177
Pat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQuEVmm2QU
Godson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGIO4FLlQQ
Yes, I thought this too. Using trophies to select who participates within a clan is not a great idea. Why not use the same formula to rank each member that you use to rank each clan?Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
Clans are ranked based off trophies. It's weighted however. The top 10 players trophy count makes up for 50% of the clan, while the bottom players (not sure if it's bottom 1, 2, or 3) make up only like 3%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
Using bases from the top 30 (or however many are eligible to participate) trophy players bases make sense and the programming would be easier than if they wanted the 30 most advanced bases regardless of trophy count. Experience level is too skewed to be a reliable factor to search for the top players, so trophies make sense.
Imagine how long it would take to find a match if every time you hit the find a match button the server had to query every base in your clan and decipher which was the strongest? Matchmaking would take forever.
I might not have explained it well. I know how current clans are ranked. I am saying for the purposes of clan wars only, clans are matched based on overall strength (yet to be determined, based on walls, heroes, defenses, etc). Within each clan, members are ranked based on trophies. That is the part I don't like. If you already are putting in separate programming to evaluate walls, heroes, defense, etc, why not use that to rank each individual clan member as you rank the clan itself? Experience level would never factor in for any system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
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Originally Posted by Pete82
Experience shouldn't factor.. because it's controlled by donations.
Just thought of this - sincere apologies if its been asked already.
One of the youtubers mentioned 1.5Million as the max gold/elixir storage of the CC and 5K as the max DE storage of the CC. Is my max storage now bumped up to 9.5 million of gold / elixir?
I think there's a disconnect. Clan Wars matchmaking is not utilizing trophies. It is not utilizing the Clan Total Points either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
Clan matchmaking is only using hero level, defenses, etc. etc. to match two clans together. But then, for some reason, they decided to use trophy count to choose the players. The game has already deciphered each player's base strength. It had to to match the two clans together. So why can't it use that very same functionality to choose the players who participate?
edit: Pete explained it well!
Your max storage stays the same. Your CC functions as an extra storage. You can collect from it when you wish:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by imdrunk
I think you explained it better actually, well done. I suppose we are speculating, but it kinda bugs me a little still.Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
I understand. However if say your clan has 50 players available to participate, when you click the match button it takes your 30 top players based off their trophy level and uses their bases for matching up THs, heros, defenses, and walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
This his was the information given 24 hours ago when SC first was saying only 30 members would be used from each clan. Now they're saying up to 50 can participate. So it's possible this information about trophies is obsolete. Or it's possible the top 30 are still used, then once a match is found all 50 get to attack/defend. To find out we'd need a mod or community manager to specify.
I see what you're saying. We definitely need more clarification that will come in due time, but the excitement is hard to contain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
This quote from Dave 4 hours ago is what is driving my confusion:
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Originally Posted by Sneakydave
They did. They give you a "recommended target" based on the calculated level of your base compared to the enemy bases. Of course, you don't have to attack that base. You can target any base from the opposing clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
Only for those who were actually selected to participate in the war, which (it sounds like to me, from Sneakydave) is based on trophy count.Quote:
Originally Posted by slikk
Yes of course, you cannot attack bases the system excludes from the war. That is interesting. I was under the impression than trophy counts were not considered for any part of the clan war calculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
So basically if you're a farmer, you have to change your base layout ahead of every war?
Sounds like a lot of fun.
As I've seen the clan caste hosts loot. Will your storages expend to maximum of 9M?
Also, CW CC, does that only work for defense? Can you fill it if it is used or the troops inside ar killed during the war?
Trophy counts are alledgely used to determine which clan members participate in the war. That is what I have been saying this whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by slikk
For instance, your clan has 50 members, you go to war with a clan with 40 members. 40 members of your clan will be in the war. Which 40? Apparently the top 40 trophy counts within the clan. I would prefer it to be the top 40 bases in the clan. That is all.
I think Dave's quote is referring to what I tried (maybe poorly?) to explain. The actual match making system of clan wars does not take trophies into account, it takes into account TH level, hero levels, defense level, and wall level. However the system that tells the match making system what those levels are, does use trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
Sounds like there are 2 systems.
First system takes the top 30 players of a clan based purely off trophies, views their base for the average TH, average heros, average defenses, and average wall level. It then takes that information and calls it the "clan average."
then the system gives the "clan average" to the match making system and it finds another similarly built clan.
So the match making system itself doesn't actually use trophies when looking for a match, but trophies are used before hand.
If I'm wrong or not making sense and someone else thinks they can explain it further please do.
Ahh, I see. I misunderstood your question. Apologies. I would agree, I don't think that trophy counts should be used in any way for clan wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
1. No, storage cap does not increase. You collect the loot from your cc as you would a mine or collector and it goes into your storage. Though it may be advantageous at times to leave loot in the cc if it turns out the percent lootable from the cc is very low and you cant spend it immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by zzzander
2. Yes cw cc is only for defense.
2a. Troops killed on defense are immediately replenished. The same troops you were donated on preparation day will be on defense for every defense you encounter during the war.
Side note: for attack, you will be responsible for your requesting for troops in your cc, just like you will be responsible for building your troops spells and heroes before each of the two available clan war attacks you make.
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Originally Posted by Anarchos
I was not aware of any of this, if this is true, than the system is definitely eligible to be abused quite easily.
^ This right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
-The way I see Clan Wars at the moment-
1. Your clan leader hits the Matchmaking button for CWs. Your clan is put into a queue and the game uses an algorithm to determine how strong your clan is (using defenses, walls, troops, etc.).
2. Once a suitable opposing clan is found, a calculation of how many players that will participate is made (Pete's example fits here).
3. If all members of your clan can't participate because the opposition is smaller, the selection of who gets to fight is based off the current trophy count.
4. Then potentially, as slikk said, you are matched up with recommended bases (but you will be able to attack anyone from the opposition, hopefully).
Sorry if this had already been asked or brought up. There is a rumor going around that you are required to be in crystal league and up to participate in clan wars. Is this true? Or is there nothing to worry about here?
That method would be very interesting! I'd agree the abuse potential would be high here. In this case, lower level players would be encouraged to push as high as they could go, while the high level players would drop as low as they possibly could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
This is also my exact understanding so far. I think a flowchart/numbered layout like this is easier to understand, and can clear up some misconcetions. Maybe a mod could make a sticky?Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
To clarify #4 - You are given recommended bases right? But you can still choose who to attack? Because much of the strategy/teamwork aspect is the clan scouting bases and assigning members to attack them.
I'm pretty sure that they are only recommended, and that anyone will be able to attack anyone. Hopefully! Added that to #4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
Further thought:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchos
If I'm understanding it right, the optimal clan makeup would be 30 TH 1 players and 20 elite gemmers (talking in extremes for clarity), with the 30 TH 1 players all being above the 20 TH 10s in trophy count before the Clan Leader clicks the Matchmaking button.
Yes you can. There is no set base you have to attack, or cannot attack in the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
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Originally Posted by slikk
So, it seems like you have to cook the troops for your attack...correct? Given that we are paired against players of equal base strength I will always end up paired against someone with a maxed out base(or close to it), so I would have to cook a GoWiWi for every Clan War to do my best?
You lost me here. Wouldn't the TH1s be selected to fight in the clan war then? Also, wouldn't their overall clan strength be very low? And thus be pitted agaisnt weak foes for weak rewards? I'm confident SC has thought of this type of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
Also, there should be a leaderboard for both clan rating (based on the strength formula for clan wars matchmaking) and victories weighted by how tough of a clan you defeated.
Are the leaders and co leader always in the war even if they have the lowest amount of trophies?
Pretty much:cool: I'm sure you can handle it though. Besides you can go for one star hits with Balloons all the time:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Not worth cooking a 90-120 minute army and since we're going for most percentage/stars to be the best I can for my clan I'd have to use GoWiWi. Huge time sink...and since I'm the strongest in my clan I will be forced to participate in EVERY SINGLE Clan War.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameloverHD
I'd hope they did too. In Anarchos example, what I said would happen is if both clans had 50 members. I didn't see in his example what would happen if one clan had less than the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
I agree the rewards would not be worth it!
I don't know what I will do. I'm still TH9 so I would be forced into using Hogs or GoWiPe to pick up any decent amount of stars:( This would be difficult for the TH9s and 8s:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Its a fair point. But look, winning the war is either worth it or not. If you decide it isn't worth it in time, fun, or resource gain, just don't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Heck, your clan could also just have a chill policy when it comes to wars. You don't lose anything, so if all of you barch or something for one stars you probably won't win...but hey, who cares right?
Good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
You are right! If your clan match with the opponent with different number of players. Only the top trophy players are able to go to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by creamofpayne
As time goes by, I feel managing clan is much harder because
- you don't want low level players to participate in your clan or they may drag you down (the opponents will attack the easiest bases)
- low trophy players don't want to join your clan (because they are likely not allowed to go to war)
hence, the clan should consist of similar level & trophy members :)
If you lose it's a waste of time to be honest. I don't want to always participate in every war but it sounds like I have no choice in the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
My plan would be to cook the proper army for war while I plan to hold a shield for the day, and attack at my leisure. It is nice they give us 24 hours to make 2 attacks and are not locked into a specific attack schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Is there a donation limit for each clan member? Or can one member who has maxed troops donate to all his clan members?