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Hi guys,
I just wanted to share my las test frustration with Hay day, more precisely: inconsiderate friends.
I try not to decline random friend requests on Gc. However, some new friends I've accepted are extremely selfish; they buy everything I sell, not leaving anything else for others, and can't even manage to fill a bought one boat crate--sometimes it's wheat!
I guess I'm just venting, but just wanted to remind all the players to be considerate.
Thank you for the insight ;) I too am cautious.
Also, just want to remind that some random players send a KIK message requesting
to become friend and just take take take. And its expensive items! crying about being low level
and use the "I don't have much coins, can you spare coffee bens, cocoa" etc.
Be choosy when accepting friend.
Happy farming & play how YOU want to play ;-)
I always thought buying lots of someone's things in RSS was nice, clearing space for the shop owner to stock more items.
I don't understand this kind of threads, perhaps because I am a newbie.
What is wrong with buying something other people is selling? If they sell it, it's because they want somebody to purchase it !!!!
If you want only your friends to get your RSS items then make some kind of agreement such as the Trade Threads.
Can't get it.
I don't think I am being inconsiderate for buying things that are being sold ĦĦĦĦĦ
It is nice but depending on the circumstance. If you buy everything at once, and keep coming back every other minute to buy everything is clearly unfair, especially if the person has followers, since it doesn't give us time to sell goods to others. I have very thoughtful friends who buy what they need, leaving some for others--even if it's a hard to find item. I also gave the example of how some keep buying without helping in the boats--even if it's wheat!Quote:
Originally Posted by pasunepipe
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Originally Posted by Allegra
I was was talking about the people who buy and keep coming back and never help. Is that considerate?
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Originally Posted by Allegra
if you are curious, do a search on the topic to see the varying opinions proffered by hay day players. It is something that comes up on here from time to time, so it should not be difficult to research.
The term you could search for is raiding. My view on the matter however is that if I found your shop by an add in the newspaper, your ENTIRE shop is FFA (free for all). If you are asking for help while selling all kinds of goodies, I still consider your shop a FFA. Sure Ill help if I can spare whatever you are asking for, but if you didnt want it sold, you shouldnt have thrown it into your shop. My apologies to whomever finds this wrong/disturbing but if I have the money, the barn place and I want it, prepare to be cleaned :P. This is especially the case after I have just upgraded my barn or silo. Those freed placed more often than not do not stay vacant for long :P.
The same applies to my own shop, if its there it means I do not want it in my stockpile anymore and I would like others to buy it to make cash / clean out my barn. Buy my entire shop and Im a happy farmer since I can renew the shop/buy my machine etc.
The exception however is how I treat my neighbour shops. I do not know if they posted an add, and so perhaps they are handing out their valuables to their friends. In that case they might find it annoying if only one friend got their goodies so I try to restrain myself from buying everything.
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Originally Posted by Sanbantai
I understand if it's in the newspaper, that's yelling "buy me". I'm talking about friends! Especially those who keep coming back over and over and over again, wiping you clean and don't bother to help. If you are that kind of farmer, most likely I would've blocked you buy now.
So if this person comes back and buys everything all the time but always manage to help with ur trees/bushes and fills every last one of ur crates, would he be exempt from cleaning out ur shop? Or would this person still be considered inconsiderate for leaving nothing for ur neighbors? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johee88
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Originally Posted by Haystacker
con·sid·er·ate adjective \kən-ˈsi-d(ə-)rət\
: thinking about the rights and feelings of other people : showing kindness toward other people
So yes, they would be considerate, by helping their friends they are showing the above.
Will you be deleting the friends you classify as inconsiderate?
Have you considered they may leave the bouncing bushes/trees or open crates because they have already completed the associated achievements and want to allow others the opportunity to do the same?
Have you considered they may be rushing to complete one of the TT achievements and don't have time to assist?
And will these 'inconsiderate' people read this thread? 99% of hay dayers never come on the forum so I doubt it!
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Originally Posted by Holidae
Have you considered they may leave the bouncing bushes/trees or open crates because they have already completed the associated achievements and want to allow others the opportunity to do the same?
so let me get this straight. People just help for achievements? That's nice, and they are very thoughtful and want others to help. If everyone follows that thinking, then no one would be helped!!!!
Rushing to to complete one of tt achievements?
Seriously? Are you trying to make a point? They are rushing, but keep coming back to my farm over and over and over. Reread what I said since the beginning. And I would love to add you, and buy everything from you every five minutes, and never help since hey: achievements are first!
What is right? What is wrong? Are there moral absolutes or is everything relative? We could go on and on and on... As a wise woman once said that as there are all different types of people in the world, so it is in hay day. Play how you want to & "unfriend" away! (Or as another wise woman once quoted regarding this topic "live and let live")
I try to help everyone, but the crates are difficult for me to fill in. I don't have 12 cream bowls, for instance. I always check the help SOS but most of the time can't help.
So if I can't help, I can't buy.
Is this rule in the game's rules?
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Originally Posted by Neen
Play at and let play!!!
unfriending included!
Do you go to your friend's store and buy everything over and over and over and never help, even with wheat!!!!????Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegra
thats what I'm saying. I don't understand how you got the "don't help-don't buy" idea.
first page, 9th post.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...xplain-raiding
Its like the best explanation one could give on this subject :)
If you believe a friend to be raiding in whatever your opinion is, either send them a message or delete from friendlist :P.
"You also have the right to respect another person's expressed limits if you so choose"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanbantai
My favorite part of the post even though that makes no sense haha
I definitely agree with you, the best way is to delete, messaging I'm not so sure, the person might not think he or she is "raiding".
thanks for sharing the raiding thread
Sure you can add me Johee. My shop is continuously bought out. I have 15 million coins as a result of wonderful neighbors and followers that buy all the time.
How considerate of you to ask.
I know this is off-topic, but I never get why people would flag any wheat crate for help....
I mean it takes 2 minutes to produce and even if your entire field is taken up by say 7-hour strawberries you can easily buy wheat from the paper at very low cost. 10 for 1 coin, or 10 for 10, so actually you're still making money by reselling them to the boat.... anyway, I'd rush to fill your wheat crate if it's flagged :D
Some flag one of each crate regardless of the item. It's not because they cannot fill it. I do it to help others progress in the game.
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Originally Posted by Holidae
Awesome me just did, now accept.
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Originally Posted by woolala
"I'd rush to fill your wheat crate if it's flagged "
Because it's extremely easy and they are your friends, followers and sometimes strangers. Yet, some totally disagree if you read previous posts -_-
Once again I am going to quote our moderator on this subject
Let's first set things straight. The game design and rules are that if it's in the RSS bin, than it up for sale and anyone can buy as much or as little as they feel they need for whatever their reasons and no one has any say on how much or what or when someone can buy...ever. Anyone who says otherwise is enforcing their own made up rules.
The term "raiding" was initially made to describe people who repeatedly bought out the same RSS time and time again, most often never giving any help of any kind in return to the owner of the RSS. This is still the most accepted meaning of the term.
That led to some folks deciding that buying out an RSS even once was raiding. That led to some folks deciding that buying more than 2-3 items at a time was raiding. That veered off to also include accusing people of stealing trades. (Trading is not a design of the game and was created by and done by forum members and is virtually unknown outside the forum and some FB groups.) Then it changed yet again by some who decided that anyone not of the farmer's inner circle who even bought a single item was raiding. Now, I see we have yet another new interpretation that includes NH jumpers.
So, basically, raiding is anything anyone who doesn't want to follow the open rules of the game decides it is.
The official rules of the game are:
If it's in the RSS, then it's up for sale by ANYONE.
You have the right to buy as much or as often as you feel you need.
If there is an ad in the Daily Dirt for that RSS, you have the right to buy anything and everything.
Trading is done at your own risk: If you suspect a trade is in progress, it is courteous to respect that trade but it is not mandatory. Every trade is conducted with the known risks by both parties that it might go wrong in any number of ways. That includes being undermined by folks in your NH, which may or may not be innocent.
You have the right to play your game as you feel comfortable and cannot be forced to follow anyone's made up rules or restrictions.
You also have the right to respect another person's expressed limits if you so choose.
As stated, mystery boxes appear only to you, so you are not stealing them from the farmer. S/he sees an entirely different one than you do. Those that you see are yours to try and open.
Basically, don't worry about if you are raiding as it's a matter of perception and, as far as the official game rules are concerned, it doesn't exist. How much you buy, when you buy, and who you buy from is a personal choice. You can choose to buy all or set your own limits as you feel is appropriate and comfortable to you and how you wish to play.
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Bottom line: There is a delete button now (there did not used to be one). Feel free to delete whoever you want (friend or follower) if their playing clashes with your playing and for whatever reason you want. No reason is needed. It's a great option.
But all in all, never farm frustrated. Greg tells me it mottles the wheat and your cakes don't come out quite right.
Peace :)
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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129
i will abide by: You also have the right to respect another person's expressed limits if you so choose.
everyone has different limits, some maybe based on resources and others by what they feel is right. Some people are oblivious this bothers some, and say: oh I didn't know, others just say I DON'T CARE.
My venting was definitely for those who don't want to vex their friends accidentally, not for those who simply don't care because it's "their right", since that's their opinion.
The only way to settle this is by choosing your friends, even it means unfriending/defriending some. It's more fun to play with someone who plays similar to you.
Cool thx ;). Yeah ideally i flag one of each (even if I have it in stock) unless I am hopelessly depleated of something in which case i flag more of that. Spread the boat points & xp around!Quote:
Originally Posted by woolala
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Originally Posted by Johee88
First, to repeat what Tiggerr quoted me on: The game is designed for an open RSS. That means that anyone can buy as much and as often as they choose.
As stated, 99% of players do not visit this forum so they are playing the game at face value...with the open RSS as described above.
No one knows what another player is thinking or their reasons when they buy and cannot just assume that people "simply don't care because it's "their right". This has nothing to do with opinion, this has to do with the way the game was designed...to sell, sell, sell and buy, buy, buy. SC touts that line all the time. They even had special events for selling and buying until they shortened the time for newspaper ads to further encourage the buy/sell basis of the game.
The only ones who have a clue that buying out a stall repeatedly can bother some farmers is if they visit this forum and see threads such as this one.
True: "The only way to settle this is by choosing your friends, even it means unfriending/defriending some. It's more fun to play with someone who plays similar to you"
So rather than accusing folks of being selfish, not caring, etc, when it's not possible to know what's going on in their minds and when they are playing the game exactly as it was designed, one needs to do what one can to alter the design to suit one's own preferred way of playing, and that's by deleting folks who's style does not match one's own,,,not by accusing them of doing something wrong.
There have been dozens of threads like this. Some civil, some not. This one has run it's course as there is no winning to this debate. It doesn't even have 2 sides but many facets of views and opinions. Everyone just needs to understand the design of the game, the options one has for tweaking the design, then adjust what can be adjusted to make it as comfortable to their way of playing as they can. Done deal.