Even, I a gemmer, Am Finding this a little too much...

Of course it is difficult to do the comparison for a "role playing game" where we build up things, because you have to consider the time spent and other trivial factors. It is not like a game of Starcraft or chess where the players have almost exactly the same playing field to compete on. That is why I almost always use these 2 terms together "more dedicated and skilled" :cool:

Heck, even a game of football cannot be considered exactly fair, because there is the "home court advantage" or other factors.

Without being too nick picking about everything, it is safe to say if "all else being equal, then the non-gemmer should be considered more skilled than the gemmer if the non-gemmer accomplished similar trophy count or base upgrades (levels) as the gemmer while the gemmer spent gems to skip the upgrade time"

Geez I think I need to go to law school to be able to make a statement safely on here.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

What if the gemmer spend less time playing compared to the non-gemmer?

It seems that in order for you to determine who is more skillful, you would need to consider a lot of other factors like game goals, time spent on game, clearance of acievements to obtain gems, etc etc.

So, may i suggest that you stop using the term "skillful" to judge a player, seeing as you have no way to determine for sure ALL the variables involved in his gameplay?

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Of course it is difficult to do the comparison for a "role playing game" where we build up things, because you have to consider the time spent and other trivial factors. It is not like a game of Starcraft or chess where the players have almost exactly the same playing field to compete on. That is why I almost always use these 2 terms together "more dedicated and skilled" :cool:

Heck, even a game of football cannot be considered exactly fair, because there is the "home court advantage" or other factors.

Without being too nick picking about everything, it is safe to say if "all else being equal, then the non-gemmer should be considered more skilled than the gemmer if the non-gemmer accomplished similar trophy count or base upgrades (levels) as the gemmer while the gemmer spent gems to skip the upgrade time"

Geez I think I need to go to law school to be able to make a statement safely on here.

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No you need a dictionary, start with the word "skilled."

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Without being too nick picking about everything, it is safe to say if "all else being equal, then the non-gemmer should be considered more skilled than the gemmer if the non-gemmer accomplished similar trophy count or base upgrades (levels) as the gemmer while the gemmer spent gems to skip the upgrade time"

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Congratulations, you have successfully found common sense.

What's the point of a statement like that when you can't apply it to any 2 individuals in the game though?

No I don't need a dictionary. People who can accomplish similar upgrades without gemming compared to the gemmer, they raid better: has higher success rate in raids, gain more loot per raid, with or without upgraded troops like the gemmer etc... That's more skilled right there.

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Originally Posted by rondoblows

No you need a dictionary, start with the word "skilled."

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Well, then what kind of statement can you make that applies to any 2 individuals in the game?

The point of making the statements I have made was to communicate to the other non-nickpicking forum readers about why making gemming more expensive is a good thing. If it doesn't ring a bell to you, I could care less. I love the way this game is going right now, haha.

And was I looking for a statement to apply to any 2 individuals in the game? NO, I wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Congratulations, you have successfully found common sense.

What's the point of a statement like that when you can't apply it to any 2 individuals in the game though?

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

No I don't need a dictionary. People who can accomplish similar upgrades without gemming compared to the gemmer, they raid better: has higher success rate in raids, gain more loot per raid, with or without upgraded troops like the gemmer etc... That's more skilled right there.

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The gemmer spends maybe an hour a day on the game, the non gemmer spends 8. How does that make the non gemmer more skilled?

I agree that a lot of gemmers aren't as "skillful" as non-gemmers. Gems definitely give gemmers a clear advantage over others, which gives them a margin for error to progress further into the game. Are they really less "skillful" than non-gemmers? No, they just don't have to be. Many high level gemmers with high trophy fail to understand the basic mechanics of the game, just because they weren't required to to progress, thanks to the gems.

An example is comparing elixir usage between Jorge Yao and a mid-trophy non-gemming player. Jorge isn't required to be "skillful" defensively, because he doesn't have to protect his elixirs to train troops. He can just spell North 44 with all his walls, and gem 15 consecutive attacks. On the other hand, a mid-trophy non-gemming player, needs elixirs to train troops. He also needs to protect his elixirs in between the 15 queues. Therefore, he is required to be "skillful" defensively, and actually setup his defensive layout.

In the comparison you have just mentioned, the non-gemmer is more dedicated at this game than the gemmer, not necessarily more skilled than the gemmer - depends on how much the gemmer spent and how well developed each player's base compares.

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Originally Posted by rondoblows

They gemmer spends maybe an hour a day on the game, the non gemmer spends 8. How does that make the non gemmer more skilled?

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Gemmers are like the bankers in the real world. They play with money and gain a legal yet unfair benifit over the working class.