Who's to blame for Champions problems?

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Originally Posted by Kirky

This is a vast oversimplification. There are so many examples of a certain set of "rules" producing unforeseen consequences.

I could give many examples from the real world, but that would be way off topic. The main point is that if you change the parameters of the game players that want to be number one will adapt their style to those mechanics. Some other issue with result, it might just be in a different form to the current one.

If the devs at SC could predict how all parameters would affect the game, there would be no need for tweaks to witches/hogs after the event

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I find simplification works best, especially here.

As I said SC control the mechanics there fore how can you possibley blame a player for playing within the mechanics? I agree that not all circumstances can be forseen and tweaks need to be made but that doesnt detract from the original question by op 'Whos to blame for the championship problems'?

The champions are to blame!

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Originally Posted by Treborray

The champions are to blame!

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I was leaning towards Obama and Obamacare for their problems. thanx for straightening us out.

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

The funny thing is that most people here don't really know or give a damn about champ league player and their problems, it's the champ league players themselves who keep talking about the problems. It's like a tourist wandering off the group and climb up to the top of a mountain by himself then complain why the air up there is so thin. Is the tour guide the only one to blame for that? So tell me again, why do SC have to introduce the correct parameter since they've done nothing wrong in the first place and where do you get the idea that they want players to play differently?

I would say that both sides have done nothing wrong (well except those exploiters), yet both sides contribute to the problem, uncontrollably.

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Its not really like a tourist wandering off is it?

I mean this is a game, a competition, not a tour guide. The two things have very little in similarity.

If you want to debate using analogies could you at least use one that involves some form of competition?

So the reason SC are responsible (as I have already told you) is that they control the mechanics of the game.

Determining who's to blame is a waste of time. Use your effort to solve the problem (if you believe there is one).

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Originally Posted by DidIDoThat

Determining who's to blame is a waste of time. Use your effort to solve the problem (if you believe there is one).

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Surely you need to solve who is going to fix the problem, or would that be a waste of time too?

This problem will never be fixed because no matter what SC changes, there are still those super competitive players with too much time/money on their hands who will find ways to exploit the system and get too far ahead.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by VincentVegas

Its not really like a tourist wandering off is it?

I mean this is a game, a competition, not a tour guide. The two things have very little in similarity.

If you want to debate using analogies could you at least use one that involves some form of competition?

So the reason SC are responsible (as I have already told you) is that they control the mechanics of the game.

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Sure you you want a competition, lets make it a competition. It's like a mountain climber who decides to climb to the very top of a mountain after he cross the finish line (along with other contestant), then complains why he has trouble breathing up there. Is the tournament company the only one to blame?
I know it's redundant, but that's just to show that your rebuttal is not very convincing.

The finish line here is champ league, or to a certain point after champ league (when things start getting ridiculous), simply because there's nothing there after champ league, just the same thing over and over again. That's the finish line, yet some people of course aren't satisfy with just that. They decide to climb higher, until they are way beyond the line and closer to the top, at all cost (gemming, more gemming and some che@ting). Of course it's gonna be harder, it's only logical.

Again, the problem here lies with both parties, not just 1. It's SC responsible for the game design, and it's the player who's responsible for going beyond the limit of the system.

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Originally Posted by GameloverHD

This problem will never be fixed because no matter what SC changes, there are still those super competitive players with too much time/money on their hands who will find ways to exploit the system and get too far ahead.:rolleyes:

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I agree, you can't please everyone.

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

I agree, you can't please everyone.

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Finally! C'mon, why do we have to have this flame war thread about something that will never be fixed.:rolleyes: