NEW DARK ELIXER TROOP IDEA: THE ZEPPELIN (a.k.a. THE WAR HORSE)

The Zeppelin Carrier (a.k.a. The War Horse)

The War Horse is a large Zeppelin (somewhat similar to the balloon but bigger) that allows troops to be spawned within a small area around the Zeppelin.

When the War Horse is spawned a small blue circle (6-tiles in Diameter) will appear around the War Horse (similar to the Barb Kings Iron Fist power).
Within this blue circle troops can be spawned, regardless of enemy buildings.

NOTE: You CANNOT use a War Horse to spawn another War Horse.

Preferred target	Attack type	Housing space	Training time	Speed	Attack speed	Dark Barracks level req.	Range	Death damage radius
Any	Area splash 1-tile radius (Ground only)	15	20m	8	5s	6	.5 tiles	1.2 tile radius

NOTE: The Zeppelin is extremely flammable; it takes 2x damage from Inferno towers.

Level	DPS	Damage per attack	Damage upon death	Hit points	Training cost (DE)	Research cost	Lab level required	Research time
1	11	55	350	1,575	375	N/A	N/A	N/A
2	14	60	425	1,650	450	80,000	7	10 days
3	17	75	500	1,725	525	90,000	8	12 days
4	20	100	575	1,800	600	100,000	8	14 days

As suggested by Forum member StynaMn the Zeppelin or War Horse will have a capacity of how many troops it can help spawn. this number will increase with each level. After you have deployed the War Horse's capacity of troops the area affect ring will disappear, no longer allowing troops to be spawned within it's area.

NOTE: The War Horse can NOT spawn Heroes. This would off balance the troop capacity idea and make the idea Over powered.

Level	Troop Capacity
1	10
2	15
3	25
4	35

NOTE: Just to clarify In the same way that you spawn the troops of your choosing on the battlefield the War Horse would allow you to spawn any of those troops within it's area affect, regardless of enemy buildings.
It's not random and the War Horse doesn't spawn troops for you, you choose and drop the troops normally.

The War Horse does not pack a punch, however it has a substantial amount of health. Even still make sure to keep it away from Air Defenses and especially from Inferno towers, as the War Horse takes double damage from Inferno towers. Use the War Horse to spawn troops behind enemy lines and take down your opponents from the inside.
The War Horse also does a substantial amount of damage upon death, enough to take down enemy CC troops and possibly a building or two with it.

NOTE: just to clarify so there is no confusion, the War Horse still must be spawned outside of your enemies base, however troops can then be spawned anywhere inside the War Horse's area effect.

Let me know what you guys think, I am open to suggestions!

-SpicyMooseSpit

Show your support on the CocWiki!
http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:158199

-SpicyMooseSpit

I really like this idea but maybe there should be a limit to how close to the centre of the base it can get? If there is not some kind of limit, anyone could drop a few dragons and then this so the drags. would take the attacks and it would go into the enemy's base. Then the attacker could drop a PEKKA right next to the TH or drop goblins right on top of full storages.

Overall I really like this idea.

Jaze

Micheal Morpurgo would be proud

It is a good idea but mabye a bit op. you could mabye make it so that you can only spawn barbs archers gobs and giants from it

Maybe make it so you store troops inside (any) and set a path for it. It would then have to land for the troops to get out. If it was destroyed you would lose the troops. Just another way to make it less op

Okay so what I have done is lower the hit points dramatically, this means that while the War Horse has the ability to help spawn troops it will take some strategy and tactics to protect the War Horse (similar to the way you would protect a healer from Air Defenses)

The War Horse would also be the slowest troop in the game so far (even slower than Balloons) and vulnerable to flying troops such as Dragons and Minions.

What I want to accomplish with this troop, and any troop idea I post on these forums, is to add another layer of strategy to the game. I want this troop to take skill to use but if used correctly can be a valuable asset to your army.

The ability of dropping troops behind enemy lines could become invaluable if balanced. I want to balance this troop so that it will be a troop that you make a path for and protect to get to inside a village, allowing troops to be dropped behind enemy lines.

I want you guys to let me know in what ways I can balance this troop. One idea that was posed that I would rather not do is only allowing a certain set of troops to be spawned within the circle. I would would like to have the only troop that can't be spawned is another War Horse (this is to keep people from chaining War Horses together)

Keep up the feedback and suggestions guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

I love it, it would be great
To make it less op, perhaps the troops you could spawn in its diameter were equal to its level,
for example, level on allows you to spawn barbarians and Minions
Level two allows archers and Hog riders

Maybe...?

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Originally Posted by Alphalord11203

It is a good idea but mabye a bit op. you could mabye make it so that you can only spawn barbs archers gobs and giants from it

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Then it might as well not enter the game...

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Originally Posted by ClarkMelchert

I love it, it would be great
To make it less op, perhaps the troops you could spawn in its diameter were equal to its level,
for example, level on allows you to spawn barbarians and Minions
Level two allows archers and Hog riders

Maybe...?

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I actually have thought about the idea that at lvl 1 it can spawn Tier 1 troops, level 2: Tier 2, level 3: Tier 3, and level 4 Dark Troops, that way people couldn't use it to spawn Hog Riders right off the bat an such.

What do you guys think?

This idea is too similar to a troop carrying transport, with unlimited carrying capacity.

IDK why the ideas of troop transports are currently ruled out, but if its because of game balance and not technical, i dont think this will go trough.

honestly, i kinda liked this new troop, kinda opens up an entire new coc warfare strategy.

trojan horse style battle thing is ruled out

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

This idea is too similar to a troop carrying transport, with unlimited carrying capacity.

IDK why the ideas of troop transports are currently ruled out, but if its because of game balance and not technical, i dont think this will go trough.

honestly, i kinda liked this new troop, kinda opens up an entire new coc warfare strategy.

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Originally Posted by arxh

trojan horse style battle thing is ruled out

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I checked the forums and they did say Trojan-horse troops ruled out, however their specification was a troop that when destroyed, troops that you specified come out.

This troop is similar to that but I would hope that the main difference is that this does NOT carry your troops, it simply allows them to spawn in areas they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

Maybe this troop idea is ruled out completely or maybe it can be modified to be allowed, in any case let me know what you guys think.

-SpicyMooseSpit

Wouldn't this be ruled out..?

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Originally Posted by 2scoopsrice

Wouldn't this be ruled out..?

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As I just said, the idea that is ruled out is a troop that is loaded with/carries other troops. This troop does not do that, it simply allows troops to spawn in a small area around the War Horse.

Hey everyone,

Though spicymoosespit added a ton of detail, I would like to point out that the original idea for this was made by me. My name is clash of kings on the wikia and I posted this idea (albeit in hero form) several weeks ago. the link to the original thread is here (http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:154228). Please SpicyMooseSpit, I know you added a ton of detail but my post was 23 days ago. Please attribute ideas to where you found them.

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Originally Posted by Wowzers1234

Hey everyone,

Though spicymoosespit added a ton of detail, I would like to point out that the original idea for this was made by me. My name is clash of kings on the wikia and I posted this idea (albeit in hero form) several weeks ago. the link to the original thread is here (http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:154228). Please SpicyMooseSpit, I know you added a ton of detail but my post was 23 days ago. Please attribute ideas to where you found them.

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I apologize, I actually never saw your idea so this was not my attempt at stealing creativity from anyone.

To be fair I'm sure that many other people have also come up with similar ideas so no one person can claim it as their own, this was simply my take on something I thought would do well in CoC.

Again I apologize but I never took anything from your thread.

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Originally Posted by Wowzers1234

Hey everyone,

Though spicymoosespit added a ton of detail, I would like to point out that the original idea for this was made by me. My name is clash of kings on the wikia and I posted this idea (albeit in hero form) several weeks ago. the link to the original thread is here (http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:154228). Please SpicyMooseSpit, I know you added a ton of detail but my post was 23 days ago. Please attribute ideas to where you found them.

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Also after checking out your idea, I noticed that your idea and mine are very different in particular areas.
1. My idea does NOT carry the troops, while yours does. My idea allows troops to be spawned in a small area around the War Horse. Note also that Supercell has ruled out the idea of a "Troop carrier", but NOT a troop that allows troops to spawn within it's area affect.
2. Your idea is for a hero, mine is not. The idea of adding more heroes is also something that Supercell has ruled out.
3. I have seen many people post ideas about "Zeppelins" and such however I had yet to see an idea that allows troops to spawn in a small area around that troops. Therefor i could easily say that YOUR idea is just a rip off of the many other people who post ideas on the forums and Wiki.
4. Your idea lacks stats of any kind, mine does not. That is something on the Forums that would not be allowed because it is simply a waste of time for viewers.
So before you go around telling everyone how YOU came up with this idea, please actually put as much work into your troop idea as you do into claiming credit for other peoples work.

-SpicyMooseSpit

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I didn't realize this was such a widespread thing, and I meant no insult. You seem like a nice enough guy, and I probably could have done some more research. Thanks for replying so politely and pointing out the differences. At the time of posting I was a little angry because I thought I had come up with a really cool idea, but now I see a ton of other people had done the same thing as me. Again, sorry if I sounded as if I was trying to be a jerk.

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Originally Posted by Wowzers1234

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I didn't realize this was such a widespread thing, and I meant no insult. You seem like a nice enough guy, and I probably could have done some more research. Thanks for replying so politely and pointing out the differences. At the time of posting I was a little angry because I thought I had come up with a really cool idea, but now I see a ton of other people had done the same thing as me. Again, sorry if I sounded as if I was trying to be a jerk.

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It's all water under the bridge, I apologize if i got a little angry as well. It's tough to figure out who is a jerk here on the forums because anytime you post an idea you're going to get flack and people who do nothing but hate on your ideas without any reason.

On that note I am more than open to suggestions for this idea considering we were essentially on the same track.

-SpicyMooseSpit

Just looking to see if i could find an image for you. i found this one that someone had made on minecraft and thought it would kind of stick to the theme of clash of clans. It might not be anything like what you were thinking but it is one possibility of how it could look.

Yeah man, I know how that is. I got a little worked up and I don't blame you for your response as there are a lot of negative people on the forums. In terms of bettering the idea, I'm not so good with coming up with balanced stats so I can only really suggest ideas. In terms of questions, do higher level zeppelins have a chance to drop all tiers of troops that they have unlocked so far, or do they only drop the tier unlocked at their level (ex: does a level 4 zeppelin only drop Pekkas, dragons, and healers, or does it spawn tier 1, 2, and 3 troops?). Wouldn't spawning only pekkas and dragons be a bit op?

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Originally Posted by Wowzers1234

Yeah man, I know how that is. I got a little worked up and I don't blame you for your response as there are a lot of negative people on the forums. In terms of bettering the idea, I'm not so good with coming up with balanced stats so I can only really suggest ideas. In terms of questions, do higher level zeppelins have a chance to drop all tiers of troops that they have unlocked so far, or do they only drop the tier unlocked at their level (ex: does a level 4 zeppelin only drop Pekkas, dragons, and healers, or does it spawn tier 1, 2, and 3 troops?). Wouldn't spawning only pekkas and dragons be a bit op?

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The levels/tiers would stack, at lvl 4 the Zeppelin could spawn Tier 1-3 and Dark troops.

alright, sweet. How often are high tier troops created?

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Originally Posted by Wowzers1234

alright, sweet. How often are high tier troops created?

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The troops that are spawned are actually troops from your army camp. In the same way that you choose troops and place them on the battle field, the Zeppelin allows you to spawn your troops in areas that would otherwise be blocked by enemy buildings.

This idea is far better than the idea I had for my Zeppelin! In case you haven't seen it, here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Troop-Zeppelin
Nothing special at all, haha, 44 views in total. And also, I'm new here, so if you can't post links to other threads, let me know and I'll take it down!

The idea you have about being able to spawn troops in a specific radius is brilliant as well - I do have a couple suggestions, though.

As well as increasing the available Tier each level, I think there should be further restrictions per level, which I'll express in this table:

Level	Spawn Radius	Spawn Capacity	Tier
1	3	10	1
2	4	15	2
3	5	20	3
4	6	25	Dark 1
5	7	30	Dark 2

I believe that restricting capacity, much like the Clan Castle, would be a good addition, as well as increasing the spawn radius by one each level. This would make it so that only 1 P.E.K.K.A. could be spawned at max level, so it isn't so overpowered. However, as you can see, in order to have 30 slots available, a level 5 Zeppelin would be required. Also, like the Clan Castle, above each Zeppelin there could be, for example, (30/30), and when troops are deployed, it could decrease in value as to alert the attacker how many spaces are yet available.

In case you're wondering why I put 'Dark 2' as a Tier as well, it's because of the 5 spaces in the Dark Barracks that say 'Coming Soon'! :) This allows for future expansion in terms of troops. Because the Zeppelin would be a Dark Troop, there would be 4 spaces available for the 'Dark 2' Tier.

Mull these over, and please, let me know what you think!

Thanks!

~Styn

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Originally Posted by StynaMN

This idea is far better than the idea I had for my Zeppelin! In case you haven't seen it, here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Troop-Zeppelin
Nothing special at all, haha, 44 views in total. And also, I'm new here, so if you can't post links to other threads, let me know and I'll take it down!

The idea you have about being able to spawn troops in a specific radius is brilliant as well - I do have a couple suggestions, though.

As well as increasing the available Tier each level, I think there should be further restrictions per level, which I'll express in this table:

Level	Spawn Radius	Spawn Capacity	Tier
1	3	10	1
2	4	15	2
3	5	20	3
4	6	25	Dark 1
5	7	30	Dark 2

I believe that restricting capacity, much like the Clan Castle, would be a good addition, as well as increasing the spawn radius by one each level. This would make it so that only 1 P.E.K.K.A. could be spawned at max level, so it isn't so overpowered. However, as you can see, in order to have 30 slots available, a level 5 Zeppelin would be required. Also, like the Clan Castle, above each Zeppelin there could be, for example, (30/30), and when troops are deployed, it could decrease in value as to alert the attacker how many spaces are yet available.

In case you're wondering why I put 'Dark 2' as a Tier as well, it's because of the 5 spaces in the Dark Barracks that say 'Coming Soon'! :) This allows for future expansion in terms of troops. Because the Zeppelin would be a Dark Troop, there would be 4 spaces available for the 'Dark 2' Tier.

Mull these over, and please, let me know what you think!

Thanks!

~Styn

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Thank you very much for that suggestion and ill be sure to check out your idea.

I honestly think that is an awesome idea, allowing only a certain number of troops to be spawned in its area i think would be very effective at making this troop more balanced. At that point i will say that we don't need the idea that upgrading it allows higher tier troops to be spawned simply because troops like PEKKAs, Dragons and Golems won't be able to be spawned regardless until level 3+. With this addition this troop would work similarly to a moving Clan Castle. I also think just so we don't over complicate the troop that we keep the radius affect the same through out the levels. But ill get to work on adding these suggestions to the troop!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Originally Posted by SpicyMooseSpit

I checked the forums and they did say Trojan-horse troops ruled out, however their specification was a troop that when destroyed, troops that you specified come out.

This troop is similar to that but I would hope that the main difference is that this does NOT carry your troops, it simply allows them to spawn in areas they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

Maybe this troop idea is ruled out completely or maybe it can be modified to be allowed, in any case let me know what you guys think.

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Like i said, the reason why supercell ruled out the idea of troop carrying transport is what matters. If the actual reason is technical, like storing troops inside another causes many hard-to-fix glitches, then your idea here is actually a solution. If it is because of game balance reasons, then your idea here will have the same impact as a troop transport, thus cannot make it to their drawing board.

well, like i said before also, the idea could open up new strategies in coc raiding. One i can think of is raging and dropping pekkas behind enemy walls so they dont go chasing butterflies.

but is pretty OP if you can spawn troops inside it

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

Like i said, the reason why supercell ruled out the idea of troop carrying transport is what matters. If the actual reason is technical, like storing troops inside another causes many hard-to-fix glitches, then your idea here is actually a solution. If it is because of game balance reasons, then your idea here will have the same impact as a troop transport, thus cannot make it to their drawing board.

well, like i said before also, the idea could open up new strategies in coc raiding. One i can think of is raging and dropping pekkas behind enemy walls so they dont go chasing butterflies.

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That's actually what I am wondering as far as what Supercell said they ruled out, the idea of "Carrying troops" plus the addition of what StynaMN has proposed where you can only spawn a certain amount of troops, you would be limited to only one PEKKA per Zeppelin meaning you would have to be very tactical in what troops you place.

-SpicyMooseSpit

I completely agree with what SpicyMooseSpit is saying.

Think about these circumstances -

Let's say we have a troop that can store 20 troops, regardless of troop size. Even if this 'new troop' had 60 housing space, this would allow a player to have 80 dragons (20 per 'new troop' x 4 = 240[Max Space]) to place, which is, in my opinion, a bit op. I believe that Supercell is worried about implementing a troop like this, while SpicyMooseSpit's simply enables you to place troops in areas which would otherwise be unavailable; therefore, you are only using a maximum of 240 troops at any one time.

As a matter of fact, you would actually have a disadvantage as well - the 30 troop space the Zeppelin takes up would be 30 less Goblins, Archers, or Barbs, for example, that you could actually raid with.

It really is a smart idea, and would suit the next Dark Barracks Level well.

~Styn

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Originally Posted by StynaMN

I completely agree with what SpicyMooseSpit is saying.

Think about these circumstances -

Let's say we have a troop that can store 20 troops, regardless of troop size. Even if this 'new troop' had 60 housing space, this would allow a player to have 80 dragons (20 per 'new troop' x 4 = 240[Max Space]) to place, which is, in my opinion, a bit op. I believe that Supercell is worried about implementing a troop like this, while SpicyMooseSpit's simply enables you to place troops in areas which would otherwise be unavailable; therefore, you are only using a maximum of 240 troops at any one time.

As a matter of fact, you would actually have a disadvantage as well - the 30 troop space the Zeppelin takes up would be 30 less Goblins, Archers, or Barbs, for example, that you could actually raid with.

It really is a smart idea, and would suit the next Dark Barracks Level well.

~Styn

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Exactly! The main thing is that this troop idea would be all about tactics and strategy. You could spend the Dark elixir and the housing space for this troop that could be filled by other troops however this troop would allow you to spawn troops more easily and behind enemy lines. It's all about trade-offs.

Thanks StynMN for all the support, still haven't added your stats onto the troop yet but i will when i have the time. Midterms have been keeping me busy lately.

-SpicyMooseSpit

I'm glad to support such a great idea! Hopefully, with enough attention, this could be added!

And, what do you mean, add my stats? I wasn't expecting that! Haha:p

Added in the stats.

Let me know what y'all think. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and feedback, Keep it up!

-SpicyMooseSpit

That really balances it out a lot more. There's no reason that this could be ruled out!

Seeing as the thread is not locked, i would assume that this troop idea is not ruled out. Most probably the troop within troop is the reason why the trojan horse type troop is ruled out.

The balancing act the OP have done with the help from feedbacks gives me the general idea that this troop is going to be hard to use and even more difficult to master. Its maximum hitpoints would enable it to last for only 5 seconds when targeted by the current maxed AD, the speed is slower than baloons and will have to get on top of targets to attack just like the baloons. However, the strategic potential is great and mastering such troop would yield a good result for fellow clashers.

one point though, it should be stated that it cannot spawn heroes within its perimeter, or can it?

well, when adding something new to an existing game, its better for it to be underpowered and buff it later rather than adding something overpowered and nerf it later. Less hate generated, or so they say.

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

Seeing as the thread is not locked, i would assume that this troop idea is not ruled out. Most probably the troop within troop is the reason why the trojan horse type troop is ruled out.

The balancing act the OP have done with the help from feedbacks gives me the general idea that this troop is going to be hard to use and even more difficult to master. Its maximum hitpoints would enable it to last for only 5 seconds when targeted by the current maxed AD, the speed is slower than baloons and will have to get on top of targets to attack just like the baloons. However, the strategic potential is great and mastering such troop would yield a good result for fellow clashers.

one point though, it should be stated that it cannot spawn heroes within its perimeter, or can it?

well, when adding something new to an existing game, its better for it to be underpowered and buff it later rather than adding something overpowered and nerf it later. Less hate generated, or so they say.

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You bring up some great arguments - I hadn't noticed it was slower than a balloon. Maybe, if the speed was bumped up to that of a Barbarian, it could stay alive longer. An alternative to this would be bumping it's HP up, even though SpicyMoose changed that just a few days ago. Either of these would work, or a combo of both.

Looks great, first time i read this i misunderstood it, almost put a hate comment in and decided to read it again, turns out its great, better than the Trojan horse.

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Looks great, first time i read this i misunderstood it, almost put a hate comment in and decided to read it again, turns out its great, better than the Trojan horse.

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Thanks for the support! It is a somewhat complicated idea and I'm trying to figure out the best/simplest way to explain it but it's tough. In any case glad you like the idea!

Keep up the feedback and suggestions guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Originally Posted by SpicyMooseSpit

Thanks for the support! It is a somewhat complicated idea and I'm trying to figure out the best/simplest way to explain it but it's tough. In any case glad you like the idea!

Keep up the feedback and suggestions guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Are you going to do any concept art? If not, I'd love to give that a shot! :D

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Originally Posted by StynaMN

Are you going to do any concept art? If not, I'd love to give that a shot! :D

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I've looked at a few pictures online but I'm not too good with art myself, if you wanna try it out I say go for it!

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Originally Posted by StynaMN

You bring up some great arguments - I hadn't noticed it was slower than a balloon. Maybe, if the speed was bumped up to that of a Barbarian, it could stay alive longer. An alternative to this would be bumping it's HP up, even though SpicyMoose changed that just a few days ago. Either of these would work, or a combo of both.

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As i wrote before somewhere else in this forum, true balance can only be achived after seeing a troop in action, usually by several thousands of players and the nerfs or buffs usually comes after that.

As for the troop suggested by the OP, like I said in my first post here, is very interesting to me because it would open up a whole new kind of warfare in coc. I just voiced my concerns for the similarity it had to a ruled out idea and it seems my concern is not needed. The more you like something, the more you want to make sure it isn't faulty... Or somethinglikethat.

PS: I have asked this before but the OP might have overlooked it. Can it spawn heroes?

Wow, I actually really really like the troop. Despite some issues of it possibly being overpowered, that people have pointed out already and have come up with good suggestions, it could really work.
Like it adds a whole now strategy to the game that you can use, and really gives some more life on the air troops that sometimes are forgotten. It gives this possible huge tactical advantage, without more damage and taking up some troop slots for actual damage dealers, which is a really good trade.
And if not protected, it could be taken out by air defence and made useless (or close to).
It could maybe be added so you can only have one of these in your army at a time or something like that maybe? Like so it's a real desire to protect it and use it well.

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

As i wrote before somewhere else in this forum, true balance can only be achived after seeing a troop in action, usually by several thousands of players and the nerfs or buffs usually comes after that.

As for the troop suggested by the OP, like I said in my first post here, is very interesting to me because it would open up a whole new kind of warfare in coc. I just voiced my concerns for the similarity it had to a ruled out idea and it seems my concern is not needed. The more you like something, the more you want to make sure it isn't faulty... Or somethinglikethat.

PS: I have asked this before but the OP might have overlooked it. Can it spawn heroes?

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It's obvious that this troop is still very much a work in progress and I'm doing my best to help achieve balance, and in response to your question I'm going to say No, it cannot spawn heroes. Simply because that would mess with the troop capacity idea and I think THAT would make this is idea very over powered.

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Originally Posted by Piiees

Wow, I actually really really like the troop. Despite some issues of it possibly being overpowered, that people have pointed out already and have come up with good suggestions, it could really work.
Like it adds a whole now strategy to the game that you can use, and really gives some more life on the air troops that sometimes are forgotten. It gives this possible huge tactical advantage, without more damage and taking up some troop slots for actual damage dealers, which is a really good trade.
And if not protected, it could be taken out by air defence and made useless (or close to).
It could maybe be added so you can only have one of these in your army at a time or something like that maybe? Like so it's a real desire to protect it and use it well.

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I think what I am trying to do is rather than only allow a certain number of War Horses in your army camp I want to make the amount of housing space a part of the strategy. Would you rather have a War Horse or multiple War Horses and allow the strategy of spawning troops behind enemy lines but have less troops, or fill the space you would have used for War Horse(s) with other troops instead.
On that note let me know if you guys think i should increase the Housing space, right now I think 25 is a good amount but I am open to suggestions.

Thanks for all the comments, suggestions and feedback guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

I actually do think increasing housing space to 30 would be good - Simply due to the fact that a single P.E.K.K.A. could be placed. Not quite as op as a hero, but can give you a good edge as well. Another thing that just came to me is that this Troop will be really useful in the future in case more building area is allowed, and once 350-450 walls can be placed, if that's ever the case. It would be able to cover areas otherwise unreachable.

Like honestly, the more I think about your idea, the better it gets!

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It's obvious that this troop is still very much a work in progress and I'm doing my best to help achieve balance, and in response to your question I'm going to say No, it cannot spawn heroes. Simply because that would mess with the troop capacity idea and I think THAT would make this is idea very over powered.
-SpicyMooseSpit

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Then put a note that the flying horse cant spwn heroes in the OP... Thats why I asked about this tiny point. Its VERY obvious to me that if this thing could possibly spawn a hero, it would be THAT overpowered...

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

Then put a note that the flying horse cant spwn heroes in the OP... Thats why I asked about this tiny point. Its VERY obvious to me that if this thing could possibly spawn a hero, it would be THAT overpowered...

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Thanks! I've made the changes on the original post. Thanks SergeantZeal for pointing that out.

-SpicyMooseSpit

Its a cool idea I like it, but I have a question

Ok Im pretty sure I read all of it but please do say if i missed something

Do you choose what troops it spawns or is it random and if its random what troops will it be spawning, or what does it even spawn. Sorry if i have missed something

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Originally Posted by 300mice

Its a cool idea I like it, but I have a question

Ok Im pretty sure I read all of it but please do say if i missed something

Do you choose what troops it spawns or is it random and if its random what troops will it be spawning, or what does it even spawn. Sorry if i have missed something

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No worries, it is somewhat confusing. In the same way that you spawn the troops of your choosing on the battlefield the War Horse would allow you to spawn any of those troops within it's area affect.
It's not random and the War Horse doesn't spawn troops for you, you choose and drop the troops normally.

Thanks for all the questions, ill probably post parts of this on the OP so that people can understand it easier.

-SpicyMooseSpit

Pretty good idea!

very unique

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Originally Posted by Usernam95

Pretty good idea!

very unique

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Thanks for the support!

Keep up the positive feedback and suggestions guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

I like it! but i doesn't the witch already deploy troops? And please check out The Fire Dogs! i know its a pretty cheesy name but check it out i think its a good idea as well. Please feel free to change the name, like OMG

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I like it! but i doesn't the witch already deploy troops? And please check out The Fire Dogs! i know its a pretty cheesy name but check it out i think its a good idea as well. Please feel free to change the name, like OMG

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The Witch spawns her own troops, this would allow you to spawn your troops from your army camp anywhere within the War Horse's area effect. Rather than deploying troops on the outside of the base and watch them run to battle you could use the War Horse to get behind enemy walls and buildings and then spawn troops behind enemy lines.

And ill be sure to check out your thread!

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions guys! Let me know if you guys have anymore questions or feedback!

-SpicyMooseSpit

Our quarter ended this past week, so I'll start on some concept art tonight!

Quick question, though - What would be piloting a Zeppelin? Would we stick to a Wall Breaker, like the Balloon, or a different troop? Or would there be a new troop that specifically pilots it?

~ Styn

But I think it should only be able to spawn in up to only wizards lvl 2 and down or els it's to over powerd

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Our quarter ended this past week, so I'll start on some concept art tonight!

Quick question, though - What would be piloting a Zeppelin? Would we stick to a Wall Breaker, like the Balloon, or a different troop? Or would there be a new troop that specifically pilots it?

~ Styn

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I haven't thought about that just yet, I was thinking that it's cabin wouldn't be open so we wouldn't see a pilot but I'm guessing that if there was it would probably be a wall breaker, similar to the balloon.

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But I think it should only be able to spawn in up to only wizards lvl 2 and down or els it's to over powerd

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I'm not so sure, since this troop would be unlocked at Dark Barracks lvl 6, only for Town Hall lvl 9 and 10 then only allowing Tier 1 and 2 troops up to lvl 2 would make it useless.

This troop is not very strong, its slow, does very little damage, has a fair amount of health but not nearly enough for it to pose a threat on it's own. This troop would have to be used strategically and must be protected for it to have any value on the battlefield.

If you guys still think it's too overpowered we can nerf the DPS or Hit-points.

-SpicyMooseSpit

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I actually have thought about the idea that at lvl 1 it can spawn Tier 1 troops, level 2: Tier 2, level 3: Tier 3, and level 4 Dark Troops, that way people couldn't use it to spawn Hog Riders right off the bat an such.

What do you guys think?

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This is the same idea I had. I agree. This would make it fair, while still really good with that ability. If you have really good troops and are able to get your war horse to lvl 4, then you deserve to win

If this is added(which it should because it is a great idea) instead of having limits of where it can go, there could a special trap that has a radius of 5, that in side the radius, the war horse could not go.

I like the idea, I think is too OP to have PEKKAs in it or dragons.

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This is the same idea I had. I agree. This would make it fair, while still really good with that ability. If you have really good troops and are able to get your war horse to lvl 4, then you deserve to win

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I agree, the War Horse would be a higher up Dark troop and would take up a lot of space and Dark elixir so if used correctly it can be great, same as any other troop.

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If this is added(which it should because it is a great idea) instead of having limits of where it can go, there could a special trap that has a radius of 5, that in side the radius, the war horse could not go.

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Technically that would be a Seeking Air mine since 1 mine could take out a fully upgraded War Horse easily, not to mention Air Defenses or Inferno Towers.

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I like the idea, I think is too OP to have PEKKAs in it or dragons.

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You would have to have quite a few other troops to get the War Horse in a position where it would actually be useful, plus it would take up housing space that could be used for other troops.

Just in case it's not clear, the War Horse doesn't Carry or Spawn troops on it's own, it simply allows you to spawn troops in a small area around it.

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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This is the same idea I had. I agree. This would make it fair, while still really good with that ability. If you have really good troops and are able to get your war horse to lvl 4, then you deserve to win

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But remember, at level 1, you could only send out 2 Hogs with the Clan Castle-like storage SpicyMoose applied to it. So it would be something like lv1=10, lv2=15, lv3=20, lv4=25. So, at max, there could only be 5 hogs at a time, and P.E.K.K.A. can't be spawned either.

~ Styn

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But remember, at level 1, you could only send out 2 Hogs with the Clan Castle-like storage SpicyMoose applied to it. So it would be something like lv1=10, lv2=15, lv3=20, lv4=25. So, at max, there could only be 5 hogs at a time, and P.E.K.K.A. can't be spawned either.

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Exactly! With the addition of only allowing a certain number of troops to spawn would make it so that you can only spawn at max 1 Dragon, Pekka or Golem. In the same sense that you can only fill your clan castle with a certain amount of troops.

-SpicyMooseSpit

I really like all these kinf of ideas BUT, SuperCell has said that they will not make any of troop transporter in to the game as It would be very op :(

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I really like all these kinf of ideas BUT, SuperCell has said that they will not make any of troop transporter in to the game as It would be very op :(

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Technically the War Horse wouldn't transport/Carry troops it would only allow you to spawn a certain number of troops within a small area around the troop. I would hope that Supercell would at least consider this idea and figure out a way to make it not Over powered but that's a lot of "ifs"

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Micheal Morpurgo would be proud

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true, true


he's an amazing writer :)

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true, true


he's an amazing writer :)

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I actually don't know who Michael Morpurgo is?

Amazing idea but it shouldn't be able to spawn everywhere or else you could easily destroy the enemies base

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Amazing idea but it shouldn't be able to spawn everywhere or else you could easily destroy the enemies base

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It's not able to spawn everywhere - There is a 3-7 tile radius limit.

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Amazing idea but it shouldn't be able to spawn everywhere or else you could easily destroy the enemies base

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As StynaMN said The War Horse works as a normal troop, you can only spawn it outside the enemy village, however it has a small area affect (around 3 tile radius) where troops can be spawned regardless of enemy buildings.
The main point of this troop would be for you to defend it as you get farther and farther into the enemies village, and using the War Horse to send reinforcements quick behind enemy lines. It would take some strategy to protect the War Horse and get it into a position where it's ability would actually help but it could add a new level of strategy into the game, especially with the new update if CLAN WARS!!!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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I actually don't know who Michael Morpurgo is?

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he's the writer of the book "war horse" , and since your zeppelin troop is aka'd war horse :p

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he's the writer of the book "war horse" , and since your zeppelin troop is aka'd war horse :p

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Ah, makes sense now haha.

eh, the idea is really interesting, but dunno if it will be useful or not...

with no preferred target and the war horse actually attacks (with low DPS), it means that you will need to break a lot of surrounding building just to make it go inside (like what you will do to make PEKKA or BK goes inside the core)

And it only has a few troops capacity to spawn (a dragon/pekka, or a group of low capacity unit that can be destroyed easily by splash if they are grouped), so the troops itself will be alone (since the warhorse isn't that good at attacking). so you will need another way to send your reinforcement inside (if you have any left after clearing up the building)

Surely it isn't OP, but dunno about the usefulness of this unit after a lot of restriction

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eh, the idea is really interesting, but dunno if it will be useful or not...

with no preferred target and the war horse actually attacks (with low DPS), it means that you will need to break a lot of surrounding building just to make it go inside (like what you will do to make PEKKA or BK goes inside the core)

And it only has a few troops capacity to spawn (a dragon/pekka, or a group of low capacity unit that can be destroyed easily by splash if they are grouped), so the troops itself will be alone (since the warhorse isn't that good at attacking). so you will need another way to send your reinforcement inside (if you have any left after clearing up the building)

Surely it isn't OP, but dunno about the usefulness of this unit after a lot of restriction

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Hmm interesting point, so if i increased the amount of troops the War Horse could spawn would that help at all?

What if the Zeppelin automatically targeted the building closest to the center of the base? That way it wouldn't go "chasing butterflies" (as I read in someone's earlier post). If that would make it too easy to use, then you could lower it's hit points so it would take some carefully planned defending for a direct shot to the center

Wouldn't it be the Trojan Horse? That wooden horse that troops were hidden in to destroy something involving Romans/ Spartans.

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What if the Zeppelin automatically targeted the building closest to the center of the base? That way it wouldn't go "chasing butterflies" (as I read in someone's earlier post). If that would make it too easy to use, then you could lower it's hit points so it would take some carefully planned defending for a direct shot to the center

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I thought about whether or not the War Horse should have a preferred target but I think it would make it over powered. In the same way you want to clear a path for your PEKKAs so they don't go chasing butterflies you would want to make a path for the War Horse, plus it is a flying troop so it wouldn't get stuck on walls or go on the outside too often.

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Wouldn't it be the Trojan Horse? That wooden horse that troops were hidden in to destroy something involving Romans/ Spartans.

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Technically no, the Zeppelin a.k.a. War Horse doesn't carry troops like the Trojan Horse used by the Greeks against the Trojans.

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

-SpicyMooseSpit

That's true. Plus with the spawn radius you could probably get pretty close to the center even if the Zeppelin didn't

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Originally Posted by fre3dom

eh, the idea is really interesting, but dunno if it will be useful or not...

with no preferred target and the war horse actually attacks (with low DPS), it means that you will need to break a lot of surrounding building just to make it go inside (like what you will do to make PEKKA or BK goes inside the core)

And it only has a few troops capacity to spawn (a dragon/pekka, or a group of low capacity unit that can be destroyed easily by splash if they are grouped), so the troops itself will be alone (since the warhorse isn't that good at attacking). so you will need another way to send your reinforcement inside (if you have any left after clearing up the building)

Surely it isn't OP, but dunno about the usefulness of this unit after a lot of restriction

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SpicyMoose, he has a good point. It would be nearly impossible for the War Horse to get inside the base, with all the distractions. This made me think: What if the War Horse's preferred target could be the Town Hall? This would force players to train an army specifically for attacks on centralized Town Hall bases, as you wouldn't want to waste a War Horse on a base where the Town Hall is on the outside.

That was a lot of words in a short amount of time - Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

That was basically what I just said. Except from what I've heard troops that target the town hall are ruled out, so that wouldn't work

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That was basically what I just said. Except from what I've heard troops that target the town hall are ruled out, so that wouldn't work

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Sorry, I missed your comment then!

And yea, I forgot that bit.. That's too bad, because that's the only way this would work I'm afraid.

Well my idea was for it to target the center of the base, but honestly that's just a clever way to get around the ruled out town hall troop. I still think it could be effective without a preferred target. It will just take some strategy. But that's better than it being too easy to take advantage of right?

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Hmm interesting point, so if i increased the amount of troops the War Horse could spawn would that help at all?

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personally the most things that concern me is how to drive this Zeppelin to the core. If you need to destroy the surrounding building (Like... probably half the base) before it can go to the core, why even bother to get a 30 capacity troop that didn't do much DPS by itself?

You can just train 2 dragon and probably it will work better:
they have the same AI and need the same method to be controlled
they have better DPS
they have better HP to tank
AND EVEN lower troop capacity!!
:rolleyes:

not to mention that they only take normal elixir which arguably isn't even precious or hard to get for most people

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Well my idea was for it to target the center of the base, but honestly that's just a clever way to get around the ruled out town hall troop. I still think it could be effective without a preferred target. It will just take some strategy. But that's better than it being too easy to take advantage of right?

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Another possibility would be to have it target Inferno Towers. While this would only be able to be used while attacking a TH10, it would be a good way to advance towards the center of the base. Then, on TH9 and below, it couldn't be used to get to the inside as efficiently.

In addition, it's 2x weakness to Inferno Towers would keep it in check, to prevent it from being too OP.

What about that?

Alright so from what I am seeing is that I need to make this troop a little valuable. I'm going to keep the Hp and DPS the same but drop the housing space to about 15-20, this would make it less of a burden on your camp. Next I'll increase the amount of troops the Zeppelin allows to spawn by 10 at max level, making it's special ability more usable.
Unfortunately I don't want to make the War Horse target anything (especially not the town hall) so while it's main power is allowing you to spawn troops within it's area, simply having that will help you get to the center of the base easier. Plus imagine dropping giants inside an enemies village, that would help immensely when attacking.

Let me know if you guys have anymore suggestions, I'm doing my best to make this troop valuable and useful based on what you guys are saying. Thank you to all who have been giving me positive feedback on this troop!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Alright so from what I am seeing is that I need to make this troop a little valuable. I'm going to keep the Hp and DPS the same but drop the housing space to about 15-20, this would make it less of a burden on your camp. Next I'll increase the amount of troops the Zeppelin allows to spawn by 10 at max level, making it's special ability more usable.
Unfortunately I don't want to make the War Horse target anything (especially not the town hall) so while it's main power is allowing you to spawn troops within it's area, simply having that will help you get to the center of the base easier. Plus imagine dropping giants inside an enemies village, that would help immensely when attacking.

Let me know if you guys have anymore suggestions, I'm doing my best to make this troop valuable and useful based on what you guys are saying. Thank you to all who have been giving me positive feedback on this troop!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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I think you also have to increase hp. Not damage though.

Whats the spawn radius for this? I tried to find it but I can't (if I'm just missing it I'm sorry). I feel like that's a huge factor in how effective or useless this troop is

Nvm just found it

I increased the Hp a little bit just to make it slightly more of a tank, increased DPS very slightly, decreased housing space, training time and DE costs.

Let me know what you guys think of the changes!

-SpicyMooseSpit

Well it's good but about the space it takes you should lower it


But overall it's a great idea hope we add it

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Well it's good but about the space it takes you should lower it


But overall it's a great idea hope we add it

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I decreased the housing space to 15, does that seem fair?

-SpicyMooseSpit

I really like this idea :)

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I really like this idea :)

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Thank you very much for the support! A lot of members have contributed to help make this idea far better than I had anticipated.

-SpicyMooseSpit

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The Zeppelin Carrier (a.k.a. The War Horse)

The War Horse is a large Zeppelin (somewhat similar to the balloon but bigger) that allows troops to be spawned within a small area around the Zeppelin.

When the War Horse is spawned a small blue circle (6-tiles in Diameter) will appear around the War Horse (similar to the Barb Kings Iron Fist power).
Within this blue circle troops can be spawned, regardless of enemy buildings.

NOTE: You CANNOT use a War Horse to spawn another War Horse.

Preferred target	Attack type	Housing space	Training time	Speed	Attack speed	Dark Barracks level req.	Range	Death damage radius
Any	Area splash 1-tile radius (Ground only)	15	20m	8	5s	6	.5 tiles	1.2 tile radius

NOTE: The Zeppelin is extremely flammable; it takes 2x damage from Inferno towers.

Level	DPS	Damage per attack	Damage upon death	Hit points	Training cost (DE)	Research cost	Lab level required	Research time
1	11	55	350	1,575	375	N/A	N/A	N/A
2	14	60	425	1,650	450	80,000	7	10 days
3	17	75	500	1,725	525	90,000	8	12 days
4	20	100	575	1,800	600	100,000	8	14 days

As suggested by Forum member StynaMn the Zeppelin or War Horse will have a capacity of how many troops it can help spawn. this number will increase with each level. After you have deployed the War Horse's capacity of troops the area affect ring will disappear, no longer allowing troops to be spawned within it's area.

NOTE: The War Horse can NOT spawn Heroes. This would off balance the troop capacity idea and make the idea Over powered.

Level	Troop Capacity
1	10
2	20
3	30
4	40

NOTE: Just to clarify In the same way that you spawn the troops of your choosing on the battlefield the War Horse would allow you to spawn any of those troops within it's area affect, regardless of enemy buildings.
It's not random and the War Horse doesn't spawn troops for you, you choose and drop the troops normally.

The War Horse does not pack a punch, however it has a substantial amount of health. Even still make sure to keep it away from Air Defenses and especially from Inferno towers, as the War Horse takes double damage from Inferno towers. Use the War Horse to spawn troops behind enemy lines and take down your opponents from the inside.
The War Horse also does a substantial amount of damage upon death, enough to take down enemy CC troops and possibly a building or two with it.

NOTE: just to clarify so there is no confusion, the War Horse still must be spawned outside of your enemies base, however troops can then be spawned anywhere inside the War Horse's area effect.

Let me know what you guys think, I am open to suggestions!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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i reckon with some tweaks this can be a good idea

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i reckon with some tweaks this can be a good idea

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Alright, so what would you suggest?

Hey guys, just wanted to see if anyone else has feedback or suggestions for this troop idea.

and also to see if anyone else is AS EXCITED FOR CLAN WARS AS I AM!!!!!!!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Hey guys, just wanted to see if anyone else has feedback or suggestions for this troop idea.

and also to see if anyone else is AS EXCITED FOR CLAN WARS AS I AM!!!!!!!

-SpicyMooseSpit

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Clan Wars is gonna be great!

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Clan Wars is gonna be great!

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I'm sad to see that Clan Wars has so many bugs, but it's understandable considering how much traffic their servers are probably having to handle right now with sooooo many people.

Yes they should add this

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I'm sad to see that Clan Wars has so many bugs, but it's understandable considering how much traffic their servers are probably having to handle right now with sooooo many people.

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Honestly, I'm finding it quite clear of bugs. What have you found?