iDAN's Version Of A New Troop: Ghost (Anti Inferno Tactic!)

Hey all! I'm a huge fan of searching for and finding great ideas on these forums. I don't post ideas of my own often because I'm not a fan of the forums being cluttered up by ideas that aren't well thought out. I'm as big of a critique on my own ideas as I am of others which is why this is only my second idea I've decided to propose. My first idea, My Builder Idea (Don't Judge Based On Title), has gotten great feedback, so I hope you all find this idea interesting as well!

*NOTICE: For the basic summary please refer to the Blue highlighted section!

Description: Ghosts are eccentric, creepy lost souls of the villagers who died during the fall of previous great battles. These poor souls who were once peaceful town folks are now seeking their turn to wreck havoc in other villages through brute terror!

Let's get to the meat of it. I've reviewed a lot of people's ideas for new DE troops and this non-living troop seems to be a hot topic. Here is my idea for a new DE troop: The Ghost

First we will take a quick look at the stats!

Favorite Target: Any
Damage Type: Single Target
Targets: Ground
Housing Space: 3
Training Time: 1 minute
Movement Speed: 16 (Thanks Zeal :rolleyes:)
Passive Ability: 0.5 seconds after every 4 seconds
Troop unlocked at: Dark Barracks level 3 (unlocked with the Valkrie; Town Hall level 8 req.)

Level 1:

DPS: 40
Hit Points: 260
Training Cost: 12
Lab Level: N/A (TH lvl 8)

Level 2:

DPS: 45
Hit Points: 325
Training Cost: 16
Lab Level: 7 (TH lvl 9)

Level 3:

DPS: 50
Hit Points: 390
Training Cost: 20
Lab Level: 7 (TH lvl 9)

Level 4:

DPS: 55
Hit Points: 455
Training Cost: 24
Lab Level: 8 (TH lvl 10)

Level 5:

DPS: 60
Hit Points: 490
Training Cost: 28
Lab Level 8 (TH lvl 10)

The stats alone seem boring and underpowered for the amount of spaces that the troop takes up, no? The stats will make much more sense after we view the mechanics of this troop. Here are the mechanics for "The Ghost:"

- The Ghost troop has the passive ability to become transparent and unseen by enemy defenses for a limited time, similar to the AQ's ability. The difference is that the AQ's invisibility is an active ability while the Ghost's is passive (and seems more natural!). Players do NOT control the Ghost's ability. Don't worry, I didn't just decide that the Ghost should have this ability without making it BALANCED and logical to me. This troop's ability fades in and out routinely, keeping it vulnerable most of the time, but at occasional intervals will become invisible for a very short amount of time. What's the point of the ability then? The passive ability is what makes the troop so unique. While this troop is relatively weak in hp and even more so in attack power, this troop when used correctly can temporarily avoid death.

-This troop when deployed starts off in it's normal, vulnerable mode for 4 seconds. After 4 seconds, this troop becomes transparent for 0.5 seconds, resulting in any defenses engaging the troop to stop attacking and begin attacking any other troops in sight. After the 0.5 second the troop becomes visible for another 4 seconds, and so on.

-The Ghost's hit points for each level was determined based on the DPS of cannons and archer towers of similar level. Here is a simple combat scenario example: One Ghostis deployed in range of an archer tower or cannon. In this case, theGhostwould survive one full 4 seconds from the archer tower if the tower was of one level below capped for that same TH level with the highest available level'dGhost. In other words, it is only possible for a cannon or tower to take out the troop in 4 seconds if it is capped at that TH level. Factoring in multiple defenses and/or multiple deployedGhostsor with other types of troops changes the turn out entirely.

-Like Witches, Ghosts are a risky troop if used improperly. Being a later troop unlocked, I find it fitting that, again like the witch, this troop could be a devastating troop if used well, or could be a waste of army space if overwhelmed by defenses.
-Deploying this troop in mass and/or with tank troops would allow them to survive much longer and deal out a decent amount of damage with the extra time alive.
--Deployed in mass, this troop would do well against most defenses thanks to it's passive ability. With the ability, damage would be spread out amongst the group of Ghosts when confronting single target defenses. This would allow the group to maintain their attack power until they die out.
Deployed with tanks, this troop can rely on the help of tanks when in trouble. This would by no means be a 100% success rate. We have all witnessed our tier one troops run past our giants just to get smashed by the defending structures ahead. With this troop, the ability would give chance for the tanks to catch up and begin taking the heat!

The main points of this troop:


Perks: transparency (Passive)
-Allows longer life for the troop
-Adds a new ground tactic
-Like the witch, troop is a ground troop even though it hovers
-Movement through walls?? (Under debate)
-Great troop against Inferno Towers set in single target mode! With the transparency ability, these troops in a group would constantly change the inferno's target, making this troop a great distraction!
-While in it's transparency state, this troop does NOT activate traps (would have to be some swell timing however)
-This troop is NEVER affected by the spring trap! (All other current traps apply damage).
-In comparison to other low sized troops, this acts as a (very) miniature tank

Drawbacks:
-Relatively low damage output
-In clusters, this troop is weak against splash damage defenses and multi infernos.
-This troop IS NOT invincible to damage while in invisible mode!!!
-Good or bad, this troop can set off traps while in normal mode
-Like skeletons, this troop CANNOT be healed (debatable)

I tried my best to make this troop balanced and logical, so I reserved a couple of mechanics to be pending to help balance the troop one way or another. When it comes to the troop's stats, I did try to make them balanced, but the stats are the last thing I'm concerned about. If SC was to implement this troop they would obviously take care of the stats. I'm more interested in your feedback on the general mechanics and intentions of the stats.

One debatable mechanic is the troop's ability to ignore walls. While this might seem like a buff of an ability to have, I feel that it would actually be a NERF. Why? Because if this troop could pass through walls it would get ahead of the rest of the army, resulting in a suicide mission. You might say that this ability would make it a great clean up troop, but this troop's somewhat low DPS for it's 3 troop capacity says otherwise. The other mechanical debate I have is it's ability to be healed (by healers and heal spell). My answer to this for now is that the troop would not be healed by at least the healer since the transparency ability with the troops along with the healer's ability would most likely be OP in at least some cases.

Hopefully this idea seems logical to all who take the time to read, and I truly appreciate all you who do take the time! As stated, there are a couple of mechanics that I am still deciding on with this troop for the sake of balance. I consider this post just a rough draft since I just came up with it, but I intend to improve it with all of your posts of wisdom! Please share your feedback, whether positive or negative. Most importantly, if you do not like this idea or a part of it, please share with me why! Constructive criticism is welcomed with arms wide open. Thanks!

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This is actually a pretty good idea! It would make a perfect addition with a few adjustments. I really like how you produced such a detailed description!

Really great but it seems a little too weak. It wouldn't even make it to the center of the base where the infernos usually are IMO

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Originally Posted by Amaryllis

This is actually a pretty good idea! It would make a perfect addition with a few adjustments. I really like how you produced such a detailed description!

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Thanks! Any specific suggestions? I'm all ears

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Originally Posted by chrish2124

Really great but it seems a little too weak. It wouldn't even make it to the center of the base where the infernos usually are IMO

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That's very reasonable... I didn't want to make the troop too strong considering it's ability and only 3 troop capacity. I suppose a larger version of the troop would make more sense to help against inferno's but it would take some serious adjusting. I'll think about how that would work thank you Chrish :D

First of all, you have my respect because of the thought and effort put here to explain how and why the ability and rough stats of your troop comes to be. I think they are as balanced as you can get on draft since you also take into consideration the stats of defenses vs your troop.
btw, what do you propose its movement speed is?

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

First of all, you have my respect because of the thought and effort put here to explain how and why the ability and rough stats of your troop comes to be. I think they are as balanced as you can get on draft since you also take into consideration the stats of defenses vs your troop.
btw, what do you propose its movement speed is?

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Thanks! I can't believe that I forgot the movement speed lol. I was thinking about just making it 16 or 24.... For now I'm putting 16 because I don't think that this troop should be too much faster than tanks or the rest of the army in general. Thanks for the feedback!

It's an interesting idea (though it seems like you'd need a lot to beat an inferno), but I'm confused as to why you're having it unlocked at th 8. From a purely historical standpoint, this would never happen, since no one barracks level currently unlocks two troops and I don't believe (though I could be wrong) that Supercell has ever added a troop that didn't require a barracks upgrade.

From a gameplay perspective, this troop seems a bit overpowered for th 8. I like that it has it's own niche (tank/damage doer hybrid, could be more powerful than wiz/arch) but I think that, at only 3 housing space, it might be a bit much for th 7s to defend against. That said, I think it becomes a bit underpowered at th 10 (maybe add another level? make level 4s stronger?). Yes, they might be able to stay alive for a fair amount of time, but they're really not doing all that much damage while they're alive, so the extra couple of seconds won't make them better than wizards. For example, 10 of them at max level would take a full 4 seconds to destroy a level 3 inferno, and I doubt many would last that long. Thus, I think you need a few tweaks if you want it to be a part of higher-level gameplay.

well thought out idea :)
but i think what CoC needs right now is something revolutionary and not more of the same

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

It's an interesting idea (though it seems like you'd need a lot to beat an inferno), but I'm confused as to why you're having it unlocked at th 8. From a purely historical standpoint, this would never happen, since no one barracks level currently unlocks two troops and I don't believe (though I could be wrong) that Supercell has ever added a troop that didn't require a barracks upgrade.

From a gameplay perspective, this troop seems a bit overpowered for th 8. I like that it has it's own niche (tank/damage doer hybrid, could be more powerful than wiz/arch) but I think that, at only 3 housing space, it might be a bit much for th 7s to defend against. That said, I think it becomes a bit underpowered at th 10 (maybe add another level? make level 4s stronger?). Yes, they might be able to stay alive for a fair amount of time, but they're really not doing all that much damage while they're alive, so the extra couple of seconds won't make them better than wizards. For example, 10 of them at max level would take a full 4 seconds to destroy a level 3 inferno, and I doubt many would last that long. Thus, I think you need a few tweaks if you want it to be a part of higher-level gameplay.

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Everything you said makes complete sense and I don't disagree with any of it at all! I have reasons for all of these issues that you touched upon, some of my reasons good, some are probably poor.

When deciding how/when this troop should be unlocked, I first considered the fact that Dark barracks appear to be maxed level, if not one or two levels away from being maxed leveled already. My thought process here is that since it appears as though SC is planning on doubling the amount of DE troops, adding 5 levels just seems crazy to me! I was simply trying to predict that SC would begin something different here by changing the norm with barracks. Instead of unlocking 1 DE troop per barrack level, a player would unlock 2 of the total 10 per dark barrack level.

Another thought behind this assumption was that each new troop unlocked in both the regular barracks and the dark barracks is in a way stronger than the last (a higher tier troop). I found it hard to believe that SC would come up with 5 more DE troops that are all "better" than the golem and witch. I'm not saying that SC won't come out with one or two DE troops that become the new best troops, but it just didn't make sense that the Ghost be unlocked after the golem or witch.

My reasoning for unlocking the Ghost at TH 8 was that it would be a slightly more difficult troop to use, and once I improve the stats without making it OP, a potentially strong troop with the purpose of being used in the upper TH levels only (still available for lower levels through cc of course).

I apologize for the rambling there :( Anyways with the stats, I purposefully made the last upgrade a bit weaker against TH 10 defenses in comparison to the lower TH levels only because I noticed that that was the trend with other troops as well. Each DE troop can be max level at Th8 if I'm not mistaken (except for the latest minion level 6 upgrade), so I (thought) I was following the trend. You are correct though, this troop does and will receive improvements in both hp and DPS in order to make it more of a threat, especially against infernos.

Thanks MrScribbler!

Edit: For now I only improved the HP of the troop and added one more level with the last one doing a tad more damage. IMO I feel like improving the DPS more without raising the troop capacity would make a group of this troop too menacing, while improving the hp more would make this troop an OP version of the giant. :p Always debatable though!

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Originally Posted by Vollstandig

well thought out idea :)
but i think what CoC needs right now is something revolutionary and not more of the same

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Are you saying troop wise we need something revolutionary? This is simply a troop idea, I couldn't agree more that CoC needs something big to come and that's what Mastermind's ideas are for :D

I was thinking on how new troops and defenses influence the gameplay in general and with the latest addition of disco infernos, its clear that players i have seen prefers discos more than the magnifying glass infernos.
well, i have only been to the lower masters and dont rightfully know about higher trophy gameplay, but the trend is discos are just more popular.
if troops with the ability to further disrupt the use of single target infernos were introduced, it would make them even less preferred than disco infernos...
from my understanding, the ghost is here to counteract the power of inferno towers, and i think it would do wonderfully against magnifying glasses (imagine if the inferno lost its ghost target when a golem is nearby) but i cant see how it would fare as a deterrent to the newer mode of infernos other than able to live slightly longer at the cost of other units being lasered in their place.
just my two cents...

Brilliant IDAN, I hope this troop gets added to the game. It would make attacking a whole different thing I'm guessing in the higher leagues to! I like all of your work! You have some really good ideas!

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

I was thinking on how new troops and defenses influence the gameplay in general and with the latest addition of disco infernos, its clear that players i have seen prefers discos more than the magnifying glass infernos.
well, i have only been to the lower masters and dont rightfully know about higher trophy gameplay, but the trend is discos are just more popular.
if troops with the ability to further disrupt the use of single target infernos were introduced, it would make them even less preferred than disco infernos...
from my understanding, the ghost is here to counteract the power of inferno towers, and i think it would do wonderfully against magnifying glasses (imagine if the inferno lost its ghost target when a golem is nearby) but i cant see how it would fare as a deterrent to the newer mode of infernos other than able to live slightly longer at the cost of other units being lasered in their place.
just my two cents...

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While this troop serves multiple purposes, the big one is to counter single target mode infernos. I agree that infernos set in disco mode is way more popular in most of the leagues. I'm pretty sure that the closer you get to the champion league and the further up in champion you go, infernos are more commonly set to single target mode to defend against GoWiWi. Even though this troop only has a troop capacity of 3, I think that if executed well this troop can really help against single target infernos. Like I said this troop is useful in other circumstances as well and probably isn't the greatest against discos :/ I'll keep tweaking. I'm making the troop much weaker for TH 8's even though I'm keeping it available. I realize that this troop could really over power TH 7's when TH 8's use this troop right so I'll keep working on it! Thanks for revisiting and helping me!

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Originally Posted by SirColeman

Brilliant IDAN, I hope this troop gets added to the game. It would make attacking a whole different thing I'm guessing in the higher leagues to! I like all of your work! You have some really good ideas!

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Thank you, Sir! Just trying to do what I can to suggest improvements. We all like to see new content added and SC rocks since they actually listen to what we want (whether they like what we want or not:p)

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Originally Posted by iDANglin

While this troop serves multiple purposes, the big one is to counter single target mode infernos. I agree that infernos set in disco mode is way more popular in most of the leagues. I'm pretty sure that the closer you get to the champion league and the further up in champion you go, infernos are more commonly set to single target mode to defend against GoWiWi. Even though this troop only has a troop capacity of 3, I think that if executed well this troop can really help against single target infernos. Like I said this troop is useful in other circumstances as well and probably isn't the greatest against discos :/ I'll keep tweaking. I'm making the troop much weaker for TH 8's even though I'm keeping it available. I realize that this troop could really over power TH 7's when TH 8's use this troop right so I'll keep working on it! Thanks for revisiting and helping me!

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Sounds like GoGhoWiWi is going to be a real problem for the folks high up in the clouds:p
Truly, im rooting for your idea here to be implemented in the near future, but as you say, tweaks and tinkering by the community are needed before further tweaks and tinkering by the devs.

That is a great idea, but I think what supercell need to do is add a new tower.. Or possibly new heroes. After all, there are already 15 different troops you can have, but only two heroes? That seems a bit unfair to me. The new towers idea, I don't know.. What do you think about that? Like a tower that sends pulses underground and delivers them to ground troops, possibly sucking them underground for a limited time?

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Originally Posted by iDANglin

Edit: For now I only improved the HP of the troop and added one more level with the last one doing a tad more damage. IMO I feel like improving the DPS more without raising the troop capacity would make a group of this troop too menacing, while improving the hp more would make this troop an OP version of the giant. :p Always debatable though!

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Thanks for the explanation for the 2 troops per barrack. It was good and something I hadn't considered before. The new level looks good too (although I believe the th 10 lab level is 8, just a small typo). Regrettably, I have yet to reach Champion, so I can't offer any insights into what effect the ghost would have on GoWiWi at high trophies, but it would certainly be interesting.

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Originally Posted by SargeantZeal

Sounds like GoGhoWiWi is going to be a real problem for the folks high up in the clouds:p
Truly, im rooting for your idea here to be implemented in the near future, but as you say, tweaks and tinkering by the community are needed before further tweaks and tinkering by the devs.

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I'll continue working on it! You have influenced the stats for the better I feel :D

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

Thanks for the explanation for the 2 troops per barrack. It was good and something I hadn't considered before. The new level looks good too (although I believe the th 10 lab level is 8, just a small typo). Regrettably, I have yet to reach Champion, so I can't offer any insights into what effect the ghost would have on GoWiWi at high trophies, but it would certainly be interesting.

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With your player and TH levels you probably have more experience dealing with IT's than I do. I have visited Masters a couple of times and it's easy to say from doing so that Crystal and Master's leagues are stuffed with discos. I hope my lack of experience dealing with single target IT's does not discredit my troop idea. Even though I haven't been to Champ either, I've seen plenty of replays and videos to understand it's two weaknesses: Freeze spell (or seizing its ability to function) and mass troops that do not allow the inferno to heat up. The only troops that seem to be successful at this are the witch and hopefully this troop!

Stats updates and better suited for TH 10's while nerfed for TH 8!

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Originally Posted by MatthewFerris

That is a great idea, but I think what supercell need to do is add a new tower.. Or possibly new heroes. After all, there are already 15 different troops you can have, but only two heroes? That seems a bit unfair to me. The new towers idea, I don't know.. What do you think about that? Like a tower that sends pulses underground and delivers them to ground troops, possibly sucking them underground for a limited time?

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Well the two heroes at Level 40 outclass any troop my miles so they make sense. There needs to be a defensive-oriented update some time soon but I don't believe they will drop a TH11 with new towers just yet.

To the OP, great idea and I hope to see it in action soon ^.^

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Originally Posted by GameloverHD

Well the two heroes at Level 40 outclass any troop my miles so they make sense. There needs to be a defensive-oriented update some time soon but I don't believe they will drop a TH11 with new towers just yet.

To the OP, great idea and I hope to see it in action soon ^.^

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Thanks! I have a feeling that they already have the next troop in the making, but never hurts to try lol

You have talent. the Supercell team should recruit you for ideas lol

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Originally Posted by Hasegawa

You have talent. the Supercell team should recruit you for ideas lol

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Haha thanks! I think Mastermind is much closer to being SC's forumer go to guy for ideas, but I'm glad you like my idea!

Does adding a poll help grab attention?

This idea is really good. Awesome! I like the concept of the troop an how you tried balancing it out. For me, I think its UP (UnderPowered) and needs tweaking a bit more. I do however, have one question... Do spells that are placed down affect the troop when its invisible... Per say. For example, if I placed down a rage spell, or a jump spell, then would the spell have its effect on 'The Ghost' while its 'natural invisibility effect' is in motion?

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Originally Posted by Maxiz2012

This idea is really good. Awesome! I like the concept of the troop an how you tried balancing it out. For me, I think its UP (UnderPowered) and needs tweaking a bit more. I do however, have one question... Do spells that are placed down affect the troop when its invisible... Per say. For example, if I placed down a rage spell, or a jump spell, then would the spell have its effect on 'The Ghost' while its 'natural invisibility effect' is in motion?

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Been a while since anybody has commented on this :p I was thinking that all spells effect the Ghosts just the same while they are invisible. The only exception could be heal spells if found to be an OP combination with the Ghosts.

Thanks Maxiz!

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Originally Posted by iDANglin

Been a while since anybody has commented on this :p I was thinking that all spells effect the Ghosts just the same while they are invisible. The only exception could be heal spells if found to be an OP combination with the Ghosts.

Thanks Maxiz!

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Haha awesome! Okie dokie! No problem. You have great ideas and I hope I help boost them up for other people to see aswell!

Just make it a tad stronger

i think every time this troop goes passive i think it should heal it (i added this because it sort of seemed like a weak troop) and ppppllllzzzz join the clan


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Originally Posted by rivers789

Just make it a tad stronger

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Yeah I think I will I'm just not sure what buff would be best and most appropriate yet :) Thanks!

This is a very unique and detailed troop. I would like to see it in action for sure.

It seems like you thought about this for a long time. Most other ideas are just too OP, but this one is almost the opposite. It seems like you would have to use a full army of these for them to be useful, because if the defences are focusing on a tank (giants, golems etc.) then the ability would go to waste and 3 barbarians or 3 archers would be more effective. Also, half a second of invisibility is too small. Also, I doubt supercell would make another troop to be unlocked with the Valkyrie, it would have to be a new level, but It would have to be level 6, because if they added a random one in the middle players would lose a troop in the dark barracks. Although I suppose this idea has potential, it's just not feasible. Sorry, and nice try.

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Originally Posted by Clashking1

It seems like you thought about this for a long time. Most other ideas are just too OP, but this one is almost the opposite. It seems like you would have to use a full army of these for them to be useful, because if the defences are focusing on a tank (giants, golems etc.) then the ability would go to waste and 3 barbarians or 3 archers would be more effective. Also, half a second of invisibility is too small. Also, I doubt supercell would make another troop to be unlocked with the Valkyrie, it would have to be a new level, but It would have to be level 6, because if they added a random one in the middle players would lose a troop in the dark barracks. Although I suppose this idea has potential, it's just not feasible. Sorry, and nice try.

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Exactly brah (I'm just buffing this thread)

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Originally Posted by Clashking1

It seems like you thought about this for a long time. Most other ideas are just too OP, but this one is almost the opposite. It seems like you would have to use a full army of these for them to be useful, because if the defences are focusing on a tank (giants, golems etc.) then the ability would go to waste and 3 barbarians or 3 archers would be more effective. Also, half a second of invisibility is too small. Also, I doubt supercell would make another troop to be unlocked with the Valkyrie, it would have to be a new level, but It would have to be level 6, because if they added a random one in the middle players would lose a troop in the dark barracks. Although I suppose this idea has potential, it's just not feasible. Sorry, and nice try.

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Appreciate the thought. I'm sure this troop added exactly as proposed in the OP would not be completely proper, but I'll continue to try and improve it. Thanks!