Max Everything before upgrading TH ? Come on guys... think again!

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Originally Posted by Wilds4u

why people are speaking only about loot ? the jorney is the goal.
There are people outside (me included) that want enjoy every single TH to the max!
Every Level comes only once, and all have their uniques! if you skip them they will never come back ....

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100% agreed !!!

It is neither wrong to max nor to rush, as long as you know what you're doing!
This said, the danger of upgrading too early is much greater than loosing time upgrading walls or whatever.

Going early unprepared can kill the game for you...but you cannot go back.
Staying too long can make you bored...but you still can move on.

Everyone should move on asap, therefore, is bad advice. It's better to say, who ever is prepared should inform themselves and think about moving on without necessarily maxing it all.

Back to quote: Admit it, it is fun to steamroll a base! So why not enjoy that a bit once your troops are strong? Why make yourself the weakling just after joining the strong? End of TH8 your elix is overflowing, perfect for practicing with more expensive troops, no need to rush to TH9 - but also no desperate need to max out to the last wall.

Have Fun !!!
TS

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Originally Posted by fre3dom

seems like my edit is a bit late..

The reasoning on non active people 'rushing' TH can goes both ways
When people isn't active, they will have a harder time to recover the loses when being raided and thus will have a hard time to upgrade to their next offence level (and every upgrade in general). So, maxing your base might also be a better option because your base will be stronger and might be able to prevent some possible loses. There's also no guarantee that you can get enough loot to upgrade your offence at higher TH level simply because you're too busy from playing (1~3 raid per play will be bad because other people will easily take your profit and leave you on loss. this depend on luck which base/how much loot that you find though...)

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Why non active will have harder time to recover loses?

You are right, a premie will get destroyed more easily, but your def is not the only aspect you will loose much or less. It's your available loot for the attacker. A decent TH will likely loose more because upgrade cost is high, and you have to save for that thing. While a premie will have cheap cost upgrade and still can keep their storage in low.

By having stronger defence, you won't loose less.
This is social game, when you have good defence, average people will think and will pass your bases when they are not confident. Most attack you get will be from the strong people that sure they can destroy you.
When you're a premie, you will get smacked by those average players. the strong one will pass you because you don't offer maximum loot for them.

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Another argument is about non active people probably don't have as much skills as active farmers. Simply because they have less playtime and experience compared to active farmers (2nd account doesn't count). So they will have an even harder time to raid because loot penalty on lower TH level. When your skills isn't that good yet, you will want to wait from upgrading your TH and polish your skills first (especially new player that still doesn't know how most troops go)

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There's also an increased next button fee, which again, will drain your storage depend on how lucky you are in finding bases (and the bases you can raid in general due to your skills)

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for this, I completely agree with you :o
yep, if still have trouble in raiding, then upgrading TH is a bad idea...

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It's a bit abstract actually... We need a definition on how much play is considered not active player, but at least you can use these question to tell if someone is ready to upgrade TH:
- Is your farming army maxed? (for super active farmer)
- From whom do you usually get your loots? (if you get it from TH lower than yours, you're not that ready because you will struggle to get loot at next TH level)

But in the end, it's your game. Just do whatever you want with it

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I completely agree too...

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but there is so much people wasting their effort just because the max everything advice and because they are afraid of the loot penalty, for example th7 guys that get to gold2+ farming DE to max the kings and hogs, th8 raiding crystal league with lv.5 balloons.

they will have much better result if they are using lv.5 troops and lv.6 ballons
the loot penalty won't affect them in those higher league, they are raiding stronger people with weak army...

When every building is maxed, upgrade in the lab, and walls are one level lower than my townhall i am ready

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Originally Posted by Wilds4u

why people are speaking only about loot ? the jorney is the goal.
There are people outside (me included) that want enjoy every single TH to the max!
Every Level comes only once, and all have their uniques! if you skip them they will never come back ....

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yep, if you're enjoying each TH then it's no problem...

but many people, for example me...
I really want to progress when I finished the TH7 wall, but because of people keep repeating the max everything, you'll regret if not... I hold my progress for almost a month because of that, but luckily I came to a very good thread "there is no reason not to be a premie". I realize I'm wasting my time after I read that, I upgrade and well... that's the best choice I done.

What I regret is the opposite, I regret I'm trying to max TH7... I've wasted almost a month, seeing my loot taken by stronger TH8 troops during my maxing time. And I loose much gold grab which I should can get if I upgrade early. It's because I'm sitting with full gold in hand all the time while I have nowhere to spend my gold.

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Originally Posted by TullSadum

100% agreed !!!

It is neither wrong to max nor to rush, as long as you know what you're doing!
This said, the danger of upgrading too early is much greater than loosing time upgrading walls or whatever.

Going early unprepared can kill the game for you...but you cannot go back.
Staying too long can make you bored...but you still can move on.

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agreed!!

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Originally Posted by TullSadum

Everyone should move on asap, therefore, is bad advice. It's better to say, who ever is prepared should inform themselves and think about moving on without necessarily maxing it all.

Back to quote: Admit it, it is fun to steamroll a base! So why not enjoy that a bit once your troops are strong? Why make yourself the weakling just after joining the strong? End of TH8 your elix is overflowing, perfect for practicing with more expensive troops, no need to rush to TH9 - but also no desperate need to max out to the last wall.

Have Fun !!!
TS

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yep, It's fun to streamroll TH7 with TH8 army...
but if you can streamroll those decent TH8 it gets more insteresting rite? :)

Honestly, for the most part, I disagree with your advice and reasoning (talking to the OP). The only part that I really agree with you is that people shouldn't tell other people to always just max their bases without knowing the other person's play style/habits and how much time they commit to this game. Of course, upgrading prematurely is less harmful to very active players.

But a lot of players can't dedicate 3+ hours of their day to raiding. And upgrading their THs before establishing a good defense will get them picked on and the constant 2-3 star loses will be quite upsetting and demoralizing. That's not fun.

I strongly agree with people saying that enjoying all aspects of the game and the entire journey is the most enjoyable part. By rushing your TH, you're robbing yourself of watching replays of people failing at trying to steal your resources. Watching those replays are hilarious!

Your method of maxing offense then upgrading TH is efficient for raiding resources and by keeping your gold levels low, I understand ppl won't want to bother raiding you. But again, you're robbing yourself of the defensive enjoyment of this game. Like others have said, once you go forward in TH, you can't go back.

If someone is unsure whether or not to upgrade their TH, there's much less to lose by staying lower, and much more to lose if they go up and then find out they weren't ready.

This game isn't a race. Patience and dedication will reward players with a strong raiding army, and a heavy duty defense to withstand attacks. It's great fun for us to destroy armies of the same or even higher TH levels, knowing that they won't be able to put a dent in my base.

As mentioned, there is no right or wrong way to play this game so long as you have fun. But just as "max everything" can be bad advice, "don't max everything" can confuse a lot of uneducated players into upgrading their TH BEFORE first maxing their farming army, which will be a big hole to dig themselves out of that could have been avoided if they "maxed all".

In every game that incorporates both pvp and city building, there are two archetypes of players:
1. The "carebears". These players love to build their city, and hate it when they are attacked. The process of building the city and accomplishing pve goals is most important to them. These are the players that would max out each th level before upgrading.
2. The "hardcore". These players love to bash nerds and make them cry. They like to min/max and exploit game mechanics to get every offense advantage possible. They don't mind getting beaten when they know the game mechanics don't allow for successful defense scenarios, but they would love a successful defense as much as a successful attack.

The carebears almost always greatly outnumber the hardcore, and both groups actually prefer it this way. The hardcore need the carebears to farm easily, but the carebears would prefer everyone be just like themselves.

The problem with this forum, is that the carebears are far more vocal, and like to mindlessly jam their playstyle down the throats of those who seek advice here. And really this is OK, because it benefits hardcore and carebear players alike the more carebears there are.

It's your game, your village, it's really just up to you what you think is best suited for your play style and availability to play. In my clan, the softcores are the ones farming for only legos and going TH10, the hardcores are the ones aiming for lava walls before going TH10.

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Originally Posted by yossithegreat

In every game that incorporates both pvp and city building, there are two archetypes of players:
1. The "carebears". These players love to build their city, and hate it when they are attacked. The process of building the city and accomplishing pve goals is most important to them. These are the players that would max out each th level before upgrading.
2. The "hardcore". These players love to bash nerds and make them cry. They like to min/max and exploit game mechanics to get every offense advantage possible. They don't mind getting beaten when they know the game mechanics don't allow for successful defense scenarios, but they would love a successful defense as much as a successful attack.

The carebears almost always greatly outnumber the hardcore, and both groups actually prefer it this way. The hardcore need the carebears to farm easily, but the carebears would prefer everyone be just like themselves.

The problem with this forum, is that the carebears are far more vocal, and like to mindlessly jam their playstyle down the throats of those who seek advice here. And really this is OK, because it benefits hardcore and carebear players alike the more carebears there are.

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Hey yossi, this does make sense for the most part, but I'm struggling with a couple things.........

1) I feel as though I'm a hybrid of the two player archetypes you've depicted. I enjoy the offense aspect of CoC slightly more, but defense is still a ton of fun for me. I'd say I'm 60/40 split on dedication to offense/defense.

2) When you say the hardcores need the carebears to farm easily, wouldn't it be harder to farm from carebears if carebears are the ones maxing their defenses?

Great input btw, I feel this is good discussion to get players thinking for themselves instead of listening to cookie-cutter advice, regardless of which end of the spectrum.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

Honestly, for the most part, I disagree with your advice and reasoning (talking to the OP). The only part that I really agree with you is that people shouldn't tell other people to always just max their bases without knowing the other person's play style/habits and how much time they commit to this game. Of course, upgrading prematurely is less harmful to very active players.

But a lot of players can't dedicate 3+ hours of their day to raiding. And upgrading their THs before establishing a good defense will get them picked on and the constant 2-3 star loses will be quite upsetting and demoralizing. That's not fun.

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Hi,

There is no need to dedicate 3+ hours of their day to raid...
people that have less time to raid better to do things effectively, advancing better troops to raid more is good...
I remembered last week when my baby boy just born, I just have little to none time for this game. So, I just search for any strong dude with big loot and attack them with all my force. It's doable with my TH9 troops and what best is I still have cheap upgrade. I managed to constantly upgrading my Cannon Lvl.7 that just need 1-2 raid to upgrade.

If I'm still on TH8 maxing everything, I will press next more to find 300K loot or depend just on collector loot. Then things left to upgrade is the expensive things... 1-2 raid / day will not enough to keep builders busy... so I will end up having sleeping builders. And I will get 2-3 stars by those Giants Lv.6 when I try to save for the lvl.6 tesla.

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I strongly agree with people saying that enjoying all aspects of the game and the entire journey is the most enjoyable part. By rushing your TH, you're robbing yourself of watching replays of people failing at trying to steal your resources. Watching those replays are hilarious!

Your method of maxing offense then upgrading TH is efficient for raiding resources and by keeping your gold levels low, I understand ppl won't want to bother raiding you. But again, you're robbing yourself of the defensive enjoyment of this game. Like others have said, once you go forward in TH, you can't go back.

If someone is unsure whether or not to upgrade their TH, there's much less to lose by staying lower, and much more to lose if they go up and then find out they weren't ready.

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as I've replied... the chance to defend as premie isn't lower than a maxed one...
This game is social game, not kinda AI game that will have same opponents, it's people attacking people.

actually, I see more failed attacks when I was premie instead of when I already developed.
If you're a premie, everybody will attack you
If you're decent, only the strongest one will attack you

I will agree about the enjoyment of each TH, but that's just for certain people.
for most I think maxing will be boring instead of enjoyment :p

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This game isn't a race. Patience and dedication will reward players with a strong raiding army, and a heavy duty defense to withstand attacks. It's great fun for us to destroy armies of the same or even higher TH levels, knowing that they won't be able to put a dent in my base.

As mentioned, there is no right or wrong way to play this game so long as you have fun. But just as "max everything" can be bad advice, "don't max everything" can confuse a lot of uneducated players into upgrading their TH BEFORE first maxing their farming army, which will be a big hole to dig themselves out of that could have been avoided if they "maxed all".

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for this I will agree completely...

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what I'm seeing is "maxing everything" is way over advised...

there is people who wants to progress better, people that wants have more enjoyment and challenge
but this "max everything" already driven those people into a slow and boring gameplay.

many of people still think this is the best and efficient way to play this game...

You are giving a very general and easy to be misleading advice here.
The advice "max out before next TH" is mainly for players who can not (or do not know how to) raid enough loot for upgrading, so they have weak defences, weak walls for their current TH level. This is often the case for inexperienced players, who need help from others with "could I move to the next TH"...
For your case: You can farm a lot of resources, spend a lot of time on game, up to max walls. The only thing slows down your progress is you do not have enough builder to speed up the defence upgrading, given that you have too much resources to spend. Thus, in this case coming to the next TH level is a smart move.
But it is just applicable for some hardcore players like you, not for most of the others.