Clan Timer Cooldown - Why it makes no sense and should be removed.

Hey guys,

I have seen other threads for this but I didn't see any which explained there reasoning behind the idea well, so I thought it would just be all the more simpler and effective for me to post my own.

I'm a coleader in my clan, and am very happy with the rank and all of the features it brings, save one. The cool down timer on clan messages makes no logical sense and is very impractical, for reasons I shall explain. The purpose of the timer is obviously to prevent spamming by a Leader or Coleader. Although I can see where they were coming from, once you begin to really think about it, it really makes no sense at all.

First, lets look at why it makes no sense to have a timer on the Leader's messages. The Leader is the head of the clan and his actions reflect what the clan is like. If he wants to spam the inbox why should he be stopped? This obviously reflects his character and his leadership and if you disagree you should just leave. On the flip side of the coin, in serious clans with good leaders that are mature and use the clan message system to inform members of important information, like the clan I am in, if the leader has several messages to get across or just one long message to spread over several posts, he cannot do this without waiting 12 hours. Not only is the idea of a timer hogwash but the amount of time is crazy.

Second, lets look at the coleaders. The coleaders are, in most clans, seasoned veterans who have been in the clan for a while and are people who the leader trusts more than anyone. They are given the weighty power of kicking and promoting Elders and Members. So, to follow up my previous reasoning, if they are trusted with the power of kicking and promoting members and elders, why shouldn't they be trusted with using the clan message system correctly? As it stands a coleader can kick out all of the elders and members, typically most of the clan, but they can only send clan messages every 12 hours. This makes no sense, and once again it limits the ability to communicate important messages to a clan over a short period of time, following the reasoning in the previous paragraph.

So in conclusion, it first of all makes no sense to limit the Leader's clan messages, as he/she is the clan leader and if they spam the inbox you can just leave, and in that case they probably aren't mature enough to be a leader regardless. Second, it makes no sense to have coleaders clan messages limited as the Leader should choose the coleaders wisely and should trust them not to kick the whole clan, much less spamming the inbox. Third this limitation as a whole cripples the leadership and makes it impossible to communicate several messages to the clan in a short period of time.

If you agree, please just comment and say you do. We need to bring supercell's attention to this thread and the best way to do that is if they see a lot of people agree. If you disagree, feel free to kindly give a reason why. Thank you very much for reading!

~ Jayden

I think they will likely always have a limit of some sort.
Even if just for the fact that there could be capacity issues?

At least CoLeaders can message, that helps a lot.

The coleaders and I have sent as many as four messages within 10 minutes to get a complex point across.
It used to be that I would have to exchange leader to achieve this.

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Originally Posted by PhilISuppose

I think they will likely always have a limit of some sort.
Even if just for the fact that there could be capacity issues?

At least CoLeaders can message, that helps a lot.

The coleaders and I have sent as many as four messages within 10 minutes to get a complex point across.
It used to be that I would have to exchange leader to achieve this.

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It definitely is an improvement, however it still can be really annoying. As for the capacity issues, the inbox currently can hold 10 messages at a time, which should be enough even with no limit as long as its used correctly.

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Originally Posted by JaydenCrow

It definitely is an improvement, however it still can be really annoying. As for the capacity issues, the inbox currently can hold 10 messages at a time, which should be enough even with no limit as long as its used correctly.

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I was not concerned about quantity to exist.
I was concerned about quantity that could be created in a short period since every message update makes a change to the messages record of the 50 people in the clan.
(I expect it wouldn't really be that big a deal)

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Originally Posted by PhilISuppose

I was not concerned about quantity to exist.
I was concerned about quantity that could be created in a short period since every message update makes a change to the messages record of the 50 people in the clan.
(I expect it wouldn't really be that big a deal)

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Ah, I understand, but like you say I doubt it would be a big deal.

If you were allowed to spam the inbox of all your members, it would lag up the game. Every time you send 1 message, it is duplicated by 50 (or however many member's in the clan). It's kind of a no brainer...every game have some sort of spam prevention.

Although I do think there should be some type of cooldown, 12 hours is extreme. Maybe 10 to 30 minutes, or something short like that.

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Originally Posted by ShardFalconeye

Although I do think there should be some type of cooldown, 12 hours is extreme. Maybe 10 to 30 minutes, or something short like that.

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I would definitely settle for a major reduction if removing it completely wasn't possible. Anything under 30 mins is reasonable.

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Originally Posted by silentd916

If you were allowed to spam the inbox of all your members, it would lag up the game. Every time you send 1 message, it is duplicated by 50 (or however many member's in the clan). It's kind of a no brainer...every game have some sort of spam prevention.

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Would this have the same effect on the game as a chat message does? Cause a chat message also goes to all 50 members and even on a really active chat I've never seen it lag much.

Nobody else has an opinion?

Well, got six votes so far for it.

To my understanding, its to prevent spamming.

👍 I've always hated dat dam cooldown.

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Originally Posted by TurtleBandits

To my understanding, its to prevent spamming.

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But who cares? Its only the clan leaders who can do it, so if you don't like what they're doing you have the option to leave the clan.

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Originally Posted by bonemancer

👍 I've always hated dat dam cooldown.

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Yes, its very annoying.

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Originally Posted by JaydenCrow

Hey guys,

I have seen other threads for this but I didn't see any which explained there reasoning behind the idea well, so I thought it would just be all the more simpler and effective for me to post my own.

I'm a coleader in my clan, and am very happy with the rank and all of the features it brings, save one. The cool down timer on clan messages makes no logical sense and is very impractical, for reasons I shall explain. The purpose of the timer is obviously to present spamming by a Leader or Coleader. Although I can see where they were coming from, once you begin to really think about it, it really makes no sense at all.

First, lets look at why it makes no sense to have a timer on the Leader's messages. The Leader is the head of the clan and his actions reflect what the clan is like. If he wants to spam the inbox why should he be stopped? This obviously reflects his character and his leadership and if you disagree you should just leave. On the flip side of the coin, in serious clans with good leaders that are mature and use the clan message system to inform members of important information, like the clan I am in, if the leader has several messages to get across or just one long message to spread over several posts, he cannot do this without waiting 12 hours. Not only is the idea of a timer hogwash but the amount of time is crazy.

Second, lets look at the coleaders. The coleaders are, in most clans, seasoned veterans who have been in the clan for a while and are people who the leader trusts more than anyone. They are given the weighty power of kicking and promoting Elders and Members. So, to follow up my previous reasoning, if they are trusted with the power of kicking and promoting members and elders, why shouldn't they be trusted with using the clan message system correctly? As it stands a coleader can kick out all of the elders and members, typically most of the clan, but they can only send clan messages every 12 hours. This makes no sense, and once again it limits the ability to communicate important messages to a clan over a short period of time, following the reasoning in the previous paragraph.

So in conclusion, it first of all makes no sense to limit the Leader's clan messages, as he/she is the clan leader and if they spam the inbox you can just leave, and in that case they probably aren't mature enough to be a leader regardless. Second, it makes no sense to have coleaders clan messages limited as the Leader should choose the coleaders wisely and should trust them not to kick the whole clan, much less spamming the inbox. Third this limitation as a whole cripples the leadership and makes it impossible to communicate several messages to the clan in a short period of time.

If you agree, please just comment and say you do. We need to bring supercell's attention to this thread and the best way to do that is if they see a lot of people agree. If you disagree, feel free to kindly give a reason why. Thank you very much for reading!

~ Jayden

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DAAAAAAAAAAANG i never actually looked at it like that +1

I feel like a cooldown time is needed, but should be reduced to 20 minutes, just like requesting clan castle troops. Also, if you need to get a complex point across, just tell everyone to check clan chat and put it there instead.

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Originally Posted by Isaacium

I feel like a cooldown time is needed, but should be reduced to 20 minutes, just like requesting clan castle troops. Also, if you need to get a complex point across, just tell everyone to check clan chat and put it there instead.

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But often clan chat is flooded with off topic discussion, so often your important message will be lost in a sea of unrelated message. On the other hand, clan mail can usually be viewed for days.

i think it overload the server in huge amount. bcaz that msg is saved and duplicated. think of trillion of msgs per second. i think thats why they are hesitating to decrease cooldown.
alternative suggestion is to increase the no of words. or give separate chat like system where only leader and co leaders can post and can be seen by everyone. in that way dosent hav to go through copying on every user mail.

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Originally Posted by AneelTariq

i think it overload the server in huge amount. bcaz that msg is saved and duplicated. think of trillion of msgs per second. i think thats why they are hesitating to decrease cooldown.
alternative suggestion is to increase the no of words. or give separate chat like system where only leader and co leaders can post and can be seen by everyone. in that way dosent hav to go through copying on every user mail.

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I like the idea of increasing the character limit.

However what is the difference between posting a message in chat and posting a clan message? Each message is available to view by every member of the clan, just one has its own separate section. The overload on the server is the same either way.

And how do these servers handle active chatting but they can't handle one message?

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Originally Posted by JaydenCrow

I like the idea of increasing the character limit.

However what is the difference between posting a message in chat and posting a clan message? Each message is available to view by every member of the clan, just one has its own separate section. The overload on the server is the same either way.

And how do these servers handle active chatting but they can't handle one message?

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well i am not an expert but chat load is less work for the server. inbox has different roots and complex linking bcaz its separate section for every user. i mean history is saved in inbox wether u in one clan or other.

it was just an idea. i think its better to increase word limit by 200 percent atleast. i dont think so that will cause much storage problem for server as its in bytes

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Originally Posted by AneelTariq

well i am not an expert but chat load is less work for the server. inbox has different roots and complex linking bcaz its separate section for every user. i mean history is saved in inbox wether u in one cpan or other.

it was just an idea. i think its better to increase word limit by 200 percent atleast. i dont think so that will cause much storage problen for server as its in bytes

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Well, either way increasing the character limit is a good idea, although I still don't see how Clan Messages be much different than chatting. But thank you for the input.

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Originally Posted by JaydenCrow

Well, either way increasing the character limit is a good idea, although I still don't see how Clan Messages be much different than chatting. But thank you for the input.

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:-) chat i quick, easily and light once started. its like emailing someone every time and replying to chat :-). i see no difference. i read somewhere about war notes. same can b done for clan notes. where leader can edit everytime. like v can edit clan intro. its like using a white board for msgs by leader...

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Originally Posted by AneelTariq

:-) chat i quick, easily and light once started. its like emailing someone every time and replying to chat :-). i see no difference. i read somewhere about war notes. same can b done for clan notes. where leader can edit everytime. like v can edit clan intro. its like using a white board for msgs by leader...

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That is a good idea. That would be an acceptable solution as well.

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Originally Posted by JaydenCrow

That is a good idea. That would be an acceptable solution as well.

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i m myself astonished at that idea of mine :-D. white board for leader. you hav to post it separately though :-) .