All your eggs in one basket - pros of large cores at TH6-7

One piece of advice I've seen in most base design threads is not to have a large-ish core where most or all of your storages are. The advice makes sense for obvious reasons in that if your storages are spread around, it becomes much harder to lose all your loot in one go.

However, at TH6 or 7 (and possibly at TH8 - not there yet), I've found that the lack of walls leave base designers with two choices, compartmentalize storages at the expense of a stronger outer design, or make the core harder to breach at the expense of not having it compartmentalized.

Following conventional advice, the first choice is the obvious choice so you don't lose all your loot in one attack, but my thinking is that with a compartmentalized base, it's easier to get to at least a couple of storages yet not lose 40% of your base, leaving you open for repeat attacks where you can lose even more loot. With a large core and a stronger outer design, attackers often won't breach the core. If they do, however, they are almost certain to have hit the 40% threshold, meaning that you will gain a valuable shield, ultimately limiting your losses to the one raid.

Overall it seems to me the smarter approach is to lose big but less often, and if you do lose loot, at least get a shield out of the deal. So, is my logic sound or am I totally off base?

In town hall 6 and 7 define tlry have your resources in the middle, and have all your defenses trying to protect it...
once you get th 8 you will have enough walls to put resources further apart from each other

regardless of whether you create a "vault" style base (this is what we call it on the forums, what you describe as all your eggs in one basket) or whether you segment your storages in separate compartments, the BEST way to protect your hard earned loot is simply to put your townhall OUTSIDE your base, unprotected in a corner.

This is the basis behind a farming base.

Just try it out for 24 hours. You will see how many people just come to destroy your townhall and then leave. You will lose maybe 1000 gold and 1000 elixir and you will get a 12-hour shield out of it. You won't even lose many trophies because they will only 1-star you. Upon your next raid, you will win back those trophies and probably more, so don't worry about losing trophies.

This is the best way to protect your resources, at ANY TH level.

Pretty sure 95% of the people on this forum will agree.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

regardless of whether you create a "vault" style base (this is what we call it on the forums, what you describe as all your eggs in one basket) or whether you segment your storages in separate compartments, the BEST way to protect your hard earned loot is simply to put your townhall OUTSIDE your base, unprotected in a corner.

This is the basis behind a farming base.

Just try it out for 24 hours. You will see how many people just come to destroy your townhall and then leave. You will lose maybe 1000 gold and 1000 elixir and you will get a 12-hour shield out of it. You won't even lose many trophies because they will only 1-star you. Upon your next raid, you will win back those trophies and probably more, so don't worry about losing trophies.

This is the best way to protect your resources, at ANY TH level.

Pretty sure 95% of the people on this forum will agree.

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I already used to do this before, and i strongly suggest people do this. I use to get about 150k each taken each raid, so then i dropped a bit low and put my th out. Now I'm back in silver, and still i never get lot's of loot raided.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

the BEST way to protect your hard earned loot is simply to put your townhall OUTSIDE your base, unprotected in a corner.

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Of course, that's item number one for protecting your loot. I've been doing that since I started the game. I was just talking about base design beyond not having your TH behind walls. Even with my TH outside, I do get occasional attacks where the attacker ignores the TH but goes for the loot in my current vault design. My original post was about those types of attack.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

regardless of whether you create a "vault" style base (this is what we call it on the forums, what you describe as all your eggs in one basket) or whether you segment your storages in separate compartments, the BEST way to protect your hard earned loot is simply to put your townhall OUTSIDE your base, unprotected in a corner.

This is the basis behind a farming base.

Just try it out for 24 hours. You will see how many people just come to destroy your townhall and then leave. You will lose maybe 1000 gold and 1000 elixir and you will get a 12-hour shield out of it. You won't even lose many trophies because they will only 1-star you. Upon your next raid, you will win back those trophies and probably more, so don't worry about losing trophies.

This is the best way to protect your resources, at ANY TH level.

Pretty sure 95% of the people on this forum will agree.

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I'm fairly new almost have TH 5 maxed and I saw people say this all the time and I really didn't understand it until I saw your post. I still don't see much value in it, maybe that will change as I level up. If I get hit for 150K I just go raid someone and get it right back, I often attack when I do get a shield, so I really don't see much value in a shield. It seems like I can always attack and get more than I lose, so why give someone an easy victory over me? It's just a game but I would like to think I can be somewhat successful at all aspects of the game, including defense.

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Originally Posted by Morrison71

I'm fairly new almost have TH 5 maxed and I saw people say this all the time and I really didn't understand it until I saw your post. I still don't see much value in it, maybe that will change as I level up. If I get hit for 150K I just go raid someone and get it right back, I often attack when I do get a shield, so I really don't see much value in a shield. It seems like I can always attack and get more than I lose, so why give someone an easy victory over me? It's just a game but I would like to think I can be somewhat successful at all aspects of the game, including defense.

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Even someone who plays like you benefits from putting their TH outside. Just because you break your shield doesn't mean it's useless. One benefit of the shield that's often not mentioned is that if you get attacked with your TH inside your walls, you likely will lose all your clan castle troops and also have some of your traps triggered. With no shield, if you don't see the notification that you were attacked, you can get attacked again while in this vulnerable state and end up losing much more loot than you would have if you just been attacked once. The shield protects you until you have time to log in and reset your traps and refill your clan castle.

Just like morrison said, try it out for a bit. Unless you are trophy pushing, you'll find that having the TH outside doesn't even affect your trophy position. You'll have no trouble staying at the trophy level you want to be at. I usually tell my clan members to try it for 1 week. Very, very few ever put it back inside their walls, and frankly, the ones that have are the ones that are terrible at the game (e.g. often raid for less resources than they spent on their army, use waaay too many troops in raids, etc.)

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Originally Posted by halfbreed

Even someone who plays like you benefits from putting their TH outside. Just because you break your shield doesn't mean it's useless. One benefit of the shield that's often not mentioned is that if you get attacked with your TH inside your walls, you likely will lose all your clan castle troops and also have some of your traps triggered. With no shield, if you don't see the notification that you were attacked, you can get attacked again while in this vulnerable state and end up losing much more loot than you would have if you just been attacked once. The shield protects you until you have time to log in and reset your traps and refill your clan castle.

Just like morrison said, try it out for a bit. Unless you are trophy pushing, you'll find that having the TH outside doesn't even affect your trophy position. You'll have no trouble staying at the trophy level you want to be at. I usually tell my clan members to try it for 1 week. Very, very few ever put it back inside their walls, and frankly, the ones that have are the ones that are terrible at the game (e.g. often raid for less resources than they spent on their army, use waaay too many troops in raids, etc.)

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That's a good point about the clan troops and traps. But I think it would actually annoy me if I only lost 1000 resources. I don't have any problem maxing my storage and actually don't like it when it is maxed because I really don't have a reason to attack anyone. I guess it's worth a try though. I am seeing the value of the middle of the base as I am leveling up. I like to try to come up with my own design and might try this when I go to TH 6 in a few days.

I use a TH6 design that protects two of the four storages in the core and leaves the other two outside behind defensive units. If you have a goal in mind each time you raid for resources, like a wizard tower, accumulate the resources necessary to upgrade it and then leave the gold storages outside the walls after you upgrade. Who is going to waste the time attacking your gold storages if they only have 5k in them? The design is available below if you want to check it out. =)

http://clashofclansbuilder.com/plan/310468

I wouldn't try a vault until at least th8. You just aren't strong enough defense wise to do it successfully below that. Also, a th8 or 9 is going to steamroll you no matter what. Protecting against a fellow th7 or 6 is what you want to do and they don't have enough strong troops to get all your storages unless you have a poor base.