CHEAP SHIELDING: How does it work? Sign Up to STOP IT!

It's clear that cheap shielding is very common in champions league and mostly in the top 100 global positions! For top players it's more important to have a faithful group of friends than really knowing how to attack a base... :( so don't ask them about GoWiWi or GoWiPe or what else they use, instead ask them how they find so faithful and accomodating clanmates; how they convince/force them; how they reward them. Maybe with money? In the past I heard that some top players reward the players that give them cheap shield with gems... (some players have spoken before about a sort of 'mafia') :( this is not chèating, I agree, but this is shameful, unfair, dirty. Cheap shielding doesn't violate ToS but violate the meaning of the game: in a game made to gather players in a clan, all the top players stay alone in their clan waiting for their friends to find them. This is ridicolous... and what's more usually they stay in their clan with the other 3 or 4 top players so that they can't hurt each other themselves. This is a race to be the most popular and the most helped not the strongest.

My dream is that the next time some youtuber interview a top player he doesn't ask him how he plays and how he farms and how he attacks, because these are not the keys of his success. The key to their success is the cheap shields they recieve from their friends. So these are some questions that I would do to one of them if I could have the opportunity:

- How can you find so accomodating clanmates?
- How do you reward them for being so kind with you? (They could next you but they didn't so they expected some reward, i suppose...)
- Do you think that what you are doing is fair in respect of the other players and the developers?
- Do you enjoy playing the game in this manner? Staying alone in your clan waiting a cheap shield from you friends...

Some of my reflections:
Clash of Clans is a social game: the social part is outstanding in the game mechanics. I have reflected a lot about how the social aspects occur in the game, especially in a clan and in the relationships between clanmates, and I came to the conclusion that CoC reflects the real world social aspects in their entirety: good ones and bad ones. And like in our society where the power is and where the money are the bad ones predominate. And sadly this is a inevitable human feature. Like in our society, in the lower clans the good social aspects prevail and everyone think only to enjoy the game: they donate without problems and rules, they accept the nicest guy and not the strongest, they laugh, no one would dare call someone 'noob' (like someone called me), they play the game like a 'game'.
But when you reach the higher clan and the top players (as I have experienced) evil creeps, power game begins, the rules begin to be more important than fun, insults between players start, hate, envy, bullying... They call you noob, they force you to donate more, they expel you if you say something different from their opinions...
And the higher you go the most you see this bad social aspects.
So I think that cheap shielding is the climax of this exasperation. Like in the real world where there is a powerful man there are a lot of people that throw themseves at his feet, in the game there are a lot of players ready to do anything to please the powerful guy on duty.
You would never see dirty power games in a parish lost in the countryside, but you will see them in Vatican or in the Parliament. Same thing in the game...

BUT

this is a GAME. :(

Why do we have to replicate the bad things of the real world in a game?
The only solution to this problem is that the players that are offering cheap shields to the top players stop doing it. If every players stop offering them the game will be more fun and more fair.

My solution?
This is not difinitive but it's a start: put your IGN name below and write close to it in block capitals 'I DON'T OFFER CHEAP SHIELDS' and add to it what you want. And if you know someone that offers cheap shields convince him not to do it, for his own good and for the good of all. The real problem is not who receive them but who offer them (like the mafia that ask for the protection money and the people that surrender to them).

Go in peace and enjoy the game!

MARCO, I DON'T OFFER CHEAP SHIELDS
I won't be in the top 20 players but i will play the game with respect to all the players and I will enjoy it more

Noone? :confused:

Considering that you attack downwards what seems to happen is the friendly person above you one stars you and stops there and then you either one star them or wait til the end of the league to lose to them. There's maybe a dozen people with high enough trophies from the forums to do this so noone signing here will mean anything.

The best they can do is remove 40% shields at 3200+. You get a legitimate win on defense at 3200+? Be happy even if you lose some of it when the next guy hits you.

I believe I have addressed you in a previous thread,
but I will patiently address you here again.

1. Revenging is virtually impossible in Champ league now.
   So the days of attacking and reattaching back and forth are over.
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2. You assume that it is actually easy for us to find one another up here.
   
   Maybe. Once in awhile.
   But it doesn't happen everyday.
   
   I come from a family of 8 clans - and I am yet to find / be found by anyone in those clans.
   
   In fact, in my 6 weeks of being a Champ, I have found a whooping grand total of (wait for it) THREE Champs that I know;
   and I have only been attacked ONCE by someone that I know.
   
   (In contrast, like I mentioned before, I have skipped Cloud Whisky's M2 base at least 1x a day)

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The little (really, really wishes that people would stop harking about things they know nothing about) Potatroll

Why do you care if you haven't even been in Masters yet?

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

I believe I have addressed you in a previous thread,
but I will patiently address you here again.

1. Revenging is virtually impossible in Champ league now.
   So the days of attacking and reattaching back and forth are over.
   .
2. You assume that it is actually easy for us to find one another up here.
   
   Maybe. Once in awhile.
   But it doesn't happen everyday.
   
   I come from a family of 8 clans - and I am yet to find / be found by anyone in those clans.
   
   In fact, in my 6 weeks of being a Champ, I have found a whooping grand total of (wait for it) THREE Champs that I know;
   and I have only been attacked ONCE by someone that I know.
   
   (In contrast, like I mentioned before, I have skipped Cloud Whisky's M2 base at least 1x a day)

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The little (really, really wishes that people would stop harking about things they know nothing about) Potatroll

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Are you actually defending cheap shielding?

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

I believe I have addressed you in a previous thread,
but I will patiently address you here again.

1. Revenging is virtually impossible in Champ league now.
   So the days of attacking and reattaching back and forth are over.
   .
2. You assume that it is actually easy for us to find one another up here.
   
   Maybe. Once in awhile.
   But it doesn't happen everyday.
   
   I come from a family of 8 clans - and I am yet to find / be found by anyone in those clans.
   
   In fact, in my 6 weeks of being a Champ, I have found a whooping grand total of (wait for it) THREE Champs that I know;
   and I have only been attacked ONCE by someone that I know.
   
   (In contrast, like I mentioned before, I have skipped Cloud Whisky's M2 base at least 1x a day)

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The little (really, really wishes that people would stop harking about things they know nothing about) Potatroll

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Can I make you a question?
Why most of the top players usually stay alone in a clan with noone else? to reflect and pray in solitude?

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Originally Posted by Pete82

Are you actually defending cheap shielding?

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Did Mrs. Potato actually say she gives people a 40% win so they can stay up where they are. No. Not once did she say anything like that. In contrast, she is actually trying to relate how game play in champ actually is and not how a lv66 person in crystal has heard what its like.

I have been a champ before the revenge option was taken away and after. I can honestly say it happened quite a few times before the revenge change. Since then it is very non-existent. Once you log off and are above 3100, attacks are pretty much instant. It is very hard for someone to consistently find another person. It happens though and when that does happen i know for myself I would not want to give up trophies.

There are also a few key terms you might want to know:

free shield - atker loses on purpose at 40%-50% gives person shield and sacrifices trophies themselfs. This happens when you find a high level player you know (revenge virtualy shut this down)

Cheap Shield - One starring a person you know to minimize trophy lose. Thought is would rather get one stared by someone you know than two started by a lower person you dont. The groups up in champs leagues and top players pretty much all know eachother. This is hard to track, hard to know, and imo fair play. The defense is still losing and there is a risk associated with it. As you heard in an interview with a top ranked player there are alligences out there that protect eachother.

Free Shield - Bad

Cheap Shield - rare and similar to putting your th outside when farming. You never know who is going to attack you. Could be someone you know or more than likely someone wanting to destroy your base.

I would like to sign up, can i have an application form? Where to download the form?

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Originally Posted by rmaycsm

Did Mrs. Potato actually say she gives people a 40% win so they can stay up where they are. No. Not once did she say anything like that. In contrast, she is actually trying to relate how game play in champ actually is and not how a lv66 person in crystal has heard what its like.

I have been a champ before the revenge option was taken away and after. I can honestly say it happened quite a few times before the revenge change. Since then it is very non-existent. Once you log off and are above 3100, attacks are pretty much instant. It is very hard for someone to consistently find another person. It happens though and when that does happen i know for myself I would not want to give up trophies.

There are also a few key terms you might want to know:

free shield - atker loses on purpose at 40%-50% gives person shield and sacrifices trophies themselfs. This happens when you find a high level player you know (revenge virtualy shut this down)

Cheap Shield - One starring a person you know to minimize trophy lose. Thought is would rather get one stared by someone you know than two started by a lower person you dont. The groups up in champs leagues and top players pretty much all know eachother. This is hard to track, hard to know, and imo fair play. The defense is still losing and there is a risk associated with it. As you heard in an interview with a top ranked player there are alligences out there that protect eachother.

Free Shield - Bad

Cheap Shield - rare and similar to putting your th outside when farming. You never know who is going to attack you. Could be someone you know or more than likely someone wanting to destroy your base.

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Dear rmaycsm, 2 questions for you (answer onestly):

why do top players most of the time stay alone in temporary clans instead of staying in their clan and help their clanmates?
how can you explain 63 defense won in champion? http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...er-%28again%29

Well hey, I didn't know you defined the terms like that. Simple fix, elimininate the 40% shield for a win. And give a 15-30 min shield after any attack to reload traps and CC.

I guess you can't ever stop people from giving friendly 1 stars. Also, cut the attitude. Not everyone is attacking you guys.

Let's put it this way. It does happen. I watch the leaderboards at the end of the season and many of the top20 are in clans with the same name as their real clan and then some of them jump suddenly by more trophies than they can win on an attack(20+). This means that revenge can work and/or you can find people you know.

Cool idea, but I'd rather not trash the people in the top 100 as I've never been there. I do agree that cheap shielding is shady and wrong (it actually is a form of ♥♥♥♥♥ing identified by the "one size fits all" rule in the terms of service) but I can't judge the acts of these players as I have no idea exactly how it would be to be in their place. Supercell is just as much to blame as they are aware of the issue at hand, yet it still remains.

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Originally Posted by JohannTheViking

Cool idea, but I'd rather not trash the people in the top 100 as I've never been there. I do agree that cheap shielding is shady and wrong (it actually is a form of ♥♥♥♥♥ing identified by the "one size fits all" rule in the terms of service) but I can't judge the acts of these players as I have no idea exactly how it would be to be in their place. Supercell is just as much to blame as they are aware of the issue at hand, yet it still remains.

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I think SC can't do anything against these kind of cheap shields. The only think they could do it's banning from the game the players that they can prove have offered cheap shields (or maybe if they find something through the chat)
I think cheap shielding is very similar to the phenomenon of soccer combine, where players concur who will win the match. As you can see you don't have to change soccer rules but disqualify guilty players. Same thing here.

Whoops, this response was posted in wrong thread. Corrected for error.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

Can I make you a question?
Why most of the top players usually stay alone in a clan with noone else? to reflect and pray in solitude?

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Similarly, why do farmers put their TH outside of their bases?
To air out the rooms in the sunshine & fresh air?

For a cheap shield of course - you're hoping that somebody who's trophy hunting snipes your TH & leaves your 200-400K of resources untouched.
By the logic of your thread, farmers should stop exploiting this loophole in the game
and start stuffing all their THs inside.

In Champ league, we HOPE and we PRAY that by some luck of the draw, somebody we know finds us, 1* us,
and 6 hours of raiding (sometimes even more) does not go down the drain.

But in reality, that hardly ever happens.
Like I said, a family of EIGHT clans - and I am yet to see a Champ from any of them in the last month or so that I've been up here.

Please, stop listening to the folklore & rumours spread by people who have no idea how the game is played up here.

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The little (reminding any subsequent trolls that she was, and technically still is a farmer - so don't you even start) Potatroll

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

Similarly, why do farmers put their TH outside of their bases?
To air out the rooms in the sunshine & fresh air?

For a cheap shield of course - you're hoping that somebody who's trophy hunting snipes your TH & leaves your 200-400K of resources untouched.
By the logic of your thread, farmers should stop exploiting this loophole in the game
and start stuffing all their THs inside.

In Champ league, we HOPE and we PRAY that by some luck of the draw, somebody we know finds us, 1* us,
and 6 hours of raiding (sometimes even more) does not go down the drain.

But in reality, that hardly ever happens.
Like I said, a family of EIGHT clans - and I am yet to see a Champ from any of them in the last month or so that I've been up here.

Please, stop listening to the folklore & rumours spread by people who have no idea how the game is played up here.

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The little (reminding any subsequent trolls that she was, and technically still is a farmer - so don't you even start) Potatroll

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To be fair you're still alot lower than the people who use fake clans.

(Doesn't mean I don't love you, please don't kill me)

Obvious troll is obvious

Inb4lock

Cheap shielding most likely used to happen a few months ago, but let me tell you how impossible it is to find people you know up here now. Higher up champs (anything over 3400) spend TONS of time in the search queue because we keep finding guys in Masters 1 and 2 who offer a total of 1 cup for a 3-star. Lots of high champs spend over an hour without finding any cup offers over single digits for 3-star. Now THAT is ridiculous.

It's not like Champs just go into search and all of a sudden find each other. We don't.

With the new revenge policy, the player logs offline but is thrown in the search queue BEFORE they can get revenged, so it's very hard to just revenge anybody.

Also, I am NOT losing 30 cups just because I find somebody I know and want to give them a shield. I don't like anybody that much. You know how long it'll take me to make up those 30 cups? I like my cups, thank you very much, as do most other champs up there.

And, I think you have the idea pretty backwards. It's more that the higher champs "cheap shield" the lower champs than the other way around. When I was in 3200-3300, I would hope that some big 3800 guy would find me, and 2 star me for a loss of 4 cups rather than a similar cupped guy finding me and making me lose 30.

Seriously. It's VERY hard to just find each other up here. And even when I do find champs, sometimes the total cup offer is 7 or 8 for a 3-star. Next.

Trust me. We are trying REALLY hard to find each other and we can't (wish we could so I wouldn't be hitting next for 20 minutes).

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To be fair you're still alot lower than the people who use fake clans.

(Doesn't mean I don't love you, please don't kill me)

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My clan isn't only filled with people @3.5K.
And I assure you, across the board, we don't usually find one another.

My boys have replay after replay of their bases getting smashed by people whom we do not know
/ people in lower trophy ranges for 20-40 trophies.

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The little (still trying to get people to cheap shield her - will you?) Potatroll

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Originally Posted by Ma77hew

Why do you care if you haven't even been in Masters yet?

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Good point! Who knows?! :confused:

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

My clan isn't only filled with people @3.5K.
And I assure you, across the board, we don't usually find one another.

My boys have replay after replay of their bases getting smashed by people whom we do not know
/ people in lower trophy ranges for 20-40 trophies.

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The little (still trying to get people to cheap shield her - will you?) Potatroll

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Right I think s s was referring to those above 3600

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

Similarly, why do farmers put their TH outside of their bases?
To air out the rooms in the sunshine & fresh air?

For a cheap shield of course - you're hoping that somebody who's trophy hunting snipes your TH & leaves your 200-400K of resources untouched.
By the logic of your thread, farmers should stop exploiting this loophole in the game
and start stuffing all their THs inside.

In Champ league, we HOPE and we PRAY that by some luck of the draw, somebody we know finds us, 1* us,
and 6 hours of raiding (sometimes even more) does not go down the drain.

But in reality, that hardly ever happens.
Like I said, a family of EIGHT clans - and I am yet to see a Champ from any of them in the last month or so that I've been up here.

Please, stop listening to the folklore & rumours spread by people who have no idea how the game is played up here.

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The little (reminding any subsequent trolls that she was, and technically still is a farmer - so don't you even start) Potatroll

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First of all ty for answering.
As someone else said you're not as high as the top players in trophies. But even if what you are saying is correct (and it isn't), I have to make you a second question:
Why should a player that is in Champions League give you a cheap shield for free and lose so much trophies? What does he receive in exchange? And why should he give the cheap shield exactly to Tom and not to ♥♥♥♥ and Harry?

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

My clan isn't only filled with people @3.5K.
And I assure you, across the board, we don't usually find one another.

My boys have replay after replay of their bases getting smashed by people whom we do not know
/ people in lower trophy ranges for 20-40 trophies.

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The little (still trying to get people to cheap shield her - will you?) Potatroll

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Oh I know, but I did have a conversation with someone from another big clan(hmm wonder which) where he admitted that although not often they could find each other enough to make it worth it.

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Originally Posted by speedro1225

Right I think s s was referring to those above 3600

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Yeah, the discussion I had with "name redacted" was about several players I was stalking and how I was noticing odd things about their defenses and how they were attacked sometimes. They were all around 3650 to 3900.

The reason this exists, is because there are so few players in Champion league.

If you want this to stop, players need more incentive to push, then they currently have to drop trophies in order to farm easier.

How? Here are some ideas:

1. Add a loot bonus if you beat someone in the Master or Champion league. It would work just like the old bonus used to work, but it would also apply to attackers in the same league.

2. Increase league bonuses to be more meaningful, and scale them to the number of stars achieved.

3. Add level 12 pumps and mines to TH10. This will create more loot for higher level players, which will translate to more meaningful bonuses.

4. Require two stars in Champion, to receive a shield. This would make more raids available, making raiding in Champion more appealing.

5. Other adjustments of which we are not yet aware.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

I think SC can't do anything against these kind of cheap shields. The only think they could do it's banning from the game the players that they can prove have offered cheap shields (or maybe if they find something through the chat)
I think cheap shielding is very similar to the phenomenon of soccer combine, where players concur who will win the match. As you can see you don't have to change soccer rules but disqualify guilty players. Same thing here.

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I was going to compare it to sumo wrestling lol, same thing in any sport though. Some people have more to gain from winning than others and so teams or competitors will "fix" the game's outcome to benefit both parties as much as possible. You're right, this type of chéating really can't be completely eradicated from any sport or game, it's unfortunate that it's so prevalent in competitive situations. The only way I've ever seen it exposed and well managed was where there was direct intervention with the participants of the shady behaviour and then a steady continuous watch over the suspicious behaviour. Unfortunately that's a labor intensive and under appreciated job that supercell would never attempt.

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Originally Posted by speedro1225

Right I think s s was referring to those above 3600

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Next you'll be telling me the bar has raised been raised to 3.7 :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by thisismine

First of all ty for answering.
As someone else said you're not as high as the top players in trophies. But even if what you are saying is correct (and it isn't), I have to make you a second question:
Why should a player that is in Champions League give you a cheap shield for free and lose so much trophies? What does he receive in exchange? And why should he give the cheap shield exactly to Tom and not to ♥♥♥♥ and Harry?

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Lol, did you not read what I just spent 5 minutes of my life (in the clouds) typing out for you?

I come from a clan that not only has players in the 3.5K cup range.
And in that entire spectrum, from 4.4K all the way down, we generally do not find one another.
We would love to, but we usually never do.

And, if you ACTUALLY read what rmay & jess below have kindly taken the time to explain to you,
when we talk about a cheap shield,
we refer to a higher cup player TOTALLING our base
- and because he is higher in cups, the loss (anything under 10 is like a gift from the gods) is not as great to us.

The higher cup player chose to attack the lower cup player, and the higher cup player won.
(Honestly, you would be hard pressed to find any higher cup player willing to attack you,
and lose on purpose to give you 30 cups - unless the higher cup player's name is maggiep0tat0,
then she sometimes loses because she is a noob.)

It is, in spirit, the same as leaving your TH out
- which I am pretty sure you do, as a farmer in Crystal.

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The little (exasperated) Potatroll

For now I'm the only one that have written 'I DON'T OFFER CHEAP SHIELDS', anyone else?
And by the way I want to quote this post from another current thread:

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Originally Posted by richmurr

I choose to support an individual at the top of the leaderboards! I'm never going to be prepared to invest the kind of money they do so just choose one! I'm personally from England, and top of the GB Chart is 'gazza' so i support him, he made number 1 the other day (although not there anymore). I'm never going to invest that kind of money into the game, nor am I likely to be close to the top 200, so i choose to support a player at the top. Easy!

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Easy!
I made a question to richmurr but he hasn't answered yet: 'How do you support him?'
Donating, I don't think he needs your troops, and if he does how many other players can support him?
Recruiting, I think he has a lot of aspiring clanmates also without you...
What else?

My final conclusion? Haters gonna hate.

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Originally Posted by Jess7286

My final conclusion? Haters gonna hate.

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Dear Jess7286, I'm not hating anyone here. I'm hating an attitude, a bad practice. So if you are saying I'm an hater, yes I'm an hater of cheap shielding.
I'm not saying everyone who offer cheap shields are bad guys. I'm saying cheap shielding someone is wrong, so stop doing it. I think the worst thing of cheap shielding is that if everyone do it you are supposed/constrained to do it!

So yes, you are right! I'm a cheap shielding practice hater, and i gonna hate cheap shields.
What about you?

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Originally Posted by thisismine

For now I'm the only one that have written 'I DON'T OFFER CHEAP SHIELDS', anyone else?

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If you decide to trophy push,
please refrain from sniping THs outside the base.

That too is a form of the cheap shielding that you abhor so greatly.

Please make sure you climb only by attacking bases with their THs inside.

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The little (signing off this) Potatroll

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

If you decide to trophy push,
please refrain from sniping THs outside the base.

That too is a form of the cheap shielding that you abhor so greatly.

Please make sure you climb only by attacking bases with their THs inside.

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I don't see how it is the same thing. I don't know the person, nor am I specifically ending the battle early for their benefit. Either way, I would support a change to make the TH more relevant so all players would have an incentive to protect it.

Reported for:

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Multiple or repeated posting of the same thread or topic is not allowed.

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This thread is repeated in all this threads:

Cheap Shield what exactly is it?

What makes the Cheap Shield system works?

what are cheap shields

Cheap shield?

How cheap shields worked?

A bit of info for cheap shields

cheap shield

Poll: Top players' shield exploits to protect them from being attack

Shield duration

And more.

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Originally Posted by Pete82

I don't see how it is the same thing. I don't know the person, nor am I specifically ending the battle early for their benefit. Either way, I would support a change to make the TH more relevant so all players would have an incentive to protect it.

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Bravo!

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

If you decide to trophy push,
please refrain from sniping THs outside the base.

That too is a form of the cheap shielding that you abhor so greatly.

Please make sure you climb only by attacking bases with their THs inside.

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The little (signing off this) Potatroll

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There is a significant difference.
In the case of cheap shields a player is earning something and the other player is only loosing! (or, it would be bad, earning something from the other player outside the game!)
In the case of a farming player with th outside he is saving his loot so he is ok and the other player is gaining some trophies so he is ok too.
And there is no combine, it's a strategy.
And i think you know the difference, so why are you lying to me? You can easily say that you think cheap shields are good and that you offer cheap shields.

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This thread is repeated in all this threads:

Cheap Shield what exactly is it?

What makes the Cheap Shield system works?

what are cheap shields

Cheap shield?

How cheap shields worked?

A bit of info for cheap shields

cheap shield

Poll: Top players' shield exploits to protect them from being attack

Shield duration

And more.

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I don't want to be presumptuous, but i think my thread is a lot more elaborated than all the threads you have linked together...

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This thread is repeated in all this threads:

Cheap Shield what exactly is it?

What makes the Cheap Shield system works?

what are cheap shields

Cheap shield?

How cheap shields worked?

A bit of info for cheap shields

cheap shield

Poll: Top players' shield exploits to protect them from being attack

Shield duration

And more.

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Bravo. Report the thread with decent discussion. :rolleyes:

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Good point! Who knows?! :confused:

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Not a good point...
Why do you care about politics if you are not in the Parliament? or why do you care about gays rights if you are not gay? and so on...

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Originally Posted by speedro1225

Right I think s s was referring to those above 3600

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I'm referring to the players above 3800/3900 trophies and mostly to the players in the top 100 positions.

Why the F do we farmers care?

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Originally Posted by R3beLl

Why the F do we farmers care?

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exactly! seriously

Gosh, Maggie is exasperated!
For good reason!
I think that some forms of cheap shielding are wrong but you cannot take it too far.
Farmers look for a cheap shield every day, and it actually happens to them much more often the champs league players.

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Why the F do we farmers care?

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I wouldn't be a farmer anymore if there wasn't so much drama at 3600+.

Relying on players to voluntarily stop cheap shielding is never going to work.

The problem lies with the game offence-defence balance. Everyone knows with a quick glance at the top 200 player list - that defence over 3500 cups is pointless. You have little chance of a win, and increasingly less as you rise further.

With this game balance, of course any smart player is going to minimise their real defences - through cheap shields and using the i-mod-game game mod for clash.

The problem lies not with the behaviour, but the incentive to do the behaviour. While defence is so pitiful at those cup levels, players will cheap shield and use game mods. If defence was a viable means of gaining cups at that level, then players would learn defence and not cheap shield... because the only way to be the best would be to be great at offence and defence.

One problem with strengthening defence, is that bases can easily be viewed and copied. So one player makes a great base and the rest of CoC can free ride on a great design - thereby unbalancing the game.

There is a simple solution to this - give players the ability to hide their bases from view. Without this really simple feature, defence can't be greatly strengthened or the game will become unbalanced. With this feature, strong defences are possible (if supercell addresses the current weak defence over 3500 cups) without unbalancing the entire game. And if strong defence is a viable way to gain cups at high levels - then people will no longer have a strong incentive to cheap shield, because the best players will need to be good at both.

Right now with SC's lack of comment on this issue, the idea of fixing cheap shields and having a reasonable balance between attack and defence at the top levels of the game appears a pipe-dream.

But we can always hope they are watching and paying attention :)

if town hall eights can't talk about loot problems then people not at the top can't talk about the top and in both situation i see why they shouldn't talk about it simply because we don't know the whole thing.

Supercell should just totally remove shields and allow attacks on villages even if the owner is online in the Champion League. And all these problems of cheap shielding and use of third party software to be "always online" will be solved.

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

I believe I have addressed you in a previous thread,
but I will patiently address you here again.

1. Revenging is virtually impossible in Champ league now.
   So the days of attacking and reattaching back and forth are over.
   .
2. You assume that it is actually easy for us to find one another up here.
   
   Maybe. Once in awhile.
   But it doesn't happen everyday.
   
   I come from a family of 8 clans - and I am yet to find / be found by anyone in those clans.
   
   In fact, in my 6 weeks of being a Champ, I have found a whooping grand total of (wait for it) THREE Champs that I know;
   and I have only been attacked ONCE by someone that I know.
   
   (In contrast, like I mentioned before, I have skipped Cloud Whisky's M2 base at least 1x a day)

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You found me at champs :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Jess7286

Cheap shielding most likely used to happen a few months ago, but let me tell you how impossible it is to find people you know up here now. Higher up champs (anything over 3400) spend TONS of time in the search queue because we keep finding guys in Masters 1 and 2 who offer a total of 1 cup for a 3-star. Lots of high champs spend over an hour without finding any cup offers over single digits for 3-star. Now THAT is ridiculous.

It's not like Champs just go into search and all of a sudden find each other. We don't.

With the new revenge policy, the player logs offline but is thrown in the search queue BEFORE they can get revenged, so it's very hard to just revenge anybody.

Also, I am NOT losing 30 cups just because I find somebody I know and want to give them a shield. I don't like anybody that much. You know how long it'll take me to make up those 30 cups? I like my cups, thank you very much, as do most other champs up there.

And, I think you have the idea pretty backwards. It's more that the higher champs "cheap shield" the lower champs than the other way around. When I was in 3200-3300, I would hope that some big 3800 guy would find me, and 2 star me for a loss of 4 cups rather than a similar cupped guy finding me and making me lose 30.

Seriously. It's VERY hard to just find each other up here. And even when I do find champs, sometimes the total cup offer is 7 or 8 for a 3-star. Next.

Trust me. We are trying REALLY hard to find each other and we can't (wish we could so I wouldn't be hitting next for 20 minutes).

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Just because u cant find fellow champs doesnt mean there isn't cheap shielding...

It occurs at high champ although thats harder now with SC's adjustment to how revenges fall into the search queue.

So unless u are top 200 its not surprising u are not seeing fellow champs that u know.

Bigger problem is the use of game mods to stay online :/ thats not bin fixed it seems

I feel like the title of this thread is misleading. Signing up here won't do anything. Nothing can be done, lol. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Sandalhat, i sometimes give cheap shields to fellow sky members by taking out their exposed TH.

What do they give me in exchange? Nothing, but i do get league bonuses and can maintain my trophy count in the desired range.

This is a war strategy game.

There's no "cheap" way in war, it's all part of the strategy. Who uses it better wins, period.

Not defending fluffy bunny though.

Cheap-shielding was dealt with previously when they fixed a revenge glitch that was being exploited. If there still remains an exploit, it's not nearly as easy as it once was.

You've only been to Crystal 1, so all the information you have on the issue is heresay, and most likely outdated.

Also, no one cares if you don't offer cheap shields because you can't ​offer free shield's. You're only in Crystal...

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Cheap-shielding was dealt with previously when they fixed a revenge glitch that was being exploited. If there still remains an exploit, it's not nearly as easy as it once was.

You've only been to Crystal 1, so all the information you have on the issue is heresay, and most likely outdated.

Also, no one cares if you don't offer cheap shields because you can't ​offer free shield's. You're only in Crystal...

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First of all i have been only to crystal with MARCO...........
Secondly I have my sources and in Italy we have a lot of Top Players.....

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First of all i have been only to crystal with MARCO...........
Secondly I have my sources and in Italy we have a lot of Top Players.....

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That's the problem.

As someone who's never been to Champion League or Top 200 global, you rely on your sources from Italy, while i rely on mine from maggiep0tat0 and Zach, and it gives different results.

Therefore, i suggest that we (players who are not directly involved) should stop trying to address issues with which we have no experience.

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First of all i have been only to crystal with MARCO...........
Secondly I have my sources and in Italy we have a lot of Top Players.....

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Someone that's been TH8 for less than a week, and never been above 2500 cups has no business trying to find ways to regulate game play at 3600+ cups. Why are you so concerns with the issue you've never encountered?

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This is a race to be the most popular and the most helped not the strongest.
http://watchfree.me/48/w.png

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"A race to the bottom"

-ZachUVA esq.

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Sandalhat, i sometimes give cheap shields to fellow sky members by taking out their exposed TH.

What do they give me in exchange? Nothing, but i do get league bonuses and can maintain my trophy count in the desired range.

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This....this is beauty....... I nearly cried..... Uhhh wait no those were my allergies guys, I swear that's why I sniffles up....

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Similarly, why do farmers put their TH outside of their bases?
To air out the rooms in the sunshine & fresh air?

For a cheap shield of course - you're hoping that somebody who's trophy hunting snipes your TH & leaves your 200-400K of resources untouched.
By the logic of your thread, farmers should stop exploiting this loophole in the game
and start stuffing all their THs inside.

In Champ league, we HOPE and we PRAY that by some luck of the draw, somebody we know finds us, 1* us,
and 6 hours of raiding (sometimes even more) does not go down the drain.

But in reality, that hardly ever happens.
Like I said, a family of EIGHT clans - and I am yet to see a Champ from any of them in the last month or so that I've been up here.

Please, stop listening to the folklore & rumours spread by people who have no idea how the game is played up here.

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Agreed on above.

Currently I am at 3900++ cups but I do pray hard someone with 4k cups could give me a cheap shield. LOL :rolleyes:

5 questions that have been brought to my attention by this thread....


1. Why are farmers caring about cheap shielding


3. What number is after 1?


4. Where is my other taco?


5. Why are you guys attacking a potato?

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Originally Posted by Swaggermonkey

5 questions that have been brought to my attention by this thread....


1. Why are farmers caring about cheap shielding


3. What number is after 1?


4. Where is my other taco?


5. Why are you guys attacking a potato?

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1. Good moral values, boredom, or they want to hunt but this discourages them.

3. Normally 2 but in this case 3.

4. I ate all the Tacos and burritos too.

5. Noone attacks the potato.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

There is a significant difference.
In the case of cheap shields a player is earning something and the other player is only loosing! (or, it would be bad, earning something from the other player outside the game!)
In the case of a farming player with th outside he is saving his loot so he is ok and the other player is gaining some trophies so he is ok too.
And there is no combine, it's a strategy.
And i think you know the difference, so why are you lying to me? You can easily say that you think cheap shields are good and that you offer cheap shields.

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As I have stated earlier, before you continue trolling on,
please remember one fact that you can countercheck with EVERYONE who has walked the block around these Forums
- I had my roots as a farmer (and I still consider myself one, even though the community has slowly begun to push me away) before becoming a hunter.
so unlike you, I think I know what I am talking about on both angles.

FARMING CHEAP SHIELD:
Defender TH exposed - TH sniped, loot saved
Attacking TH exposed - TH sniped, loot bonus gained, trophies gained

HUNTING CHEAP SHIELD:
Defending TH exposed - Higher player attacks you, you usually get totalled, but you lose a grand total of under 10 cups, restoring your sanity for 12 hours of your life
Attacking TH exposed - Higher player gains loot & cups

Sounds like a good deal on both sides to me.

As countless of people have mentioned before,
it is not in any way, a form of chèáting.
You are confusing it with a strategy to help you progress along the game.

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You found me at champs :rolleyes:

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My point exactly - as I mentioned earlier, I have found Cloud Whisky 1x / day since I started pushing.
Fob benefited from my 36 cups when I massively failed on his base while trying to shield him
(yes, this is the risk that comes from cheap shielding, so honestly, we don't do it for everyone & anyone because of the risks)
But all three of you are / were in Masters.
(And you benefited from a shield by me as well. :p)

Till date, I have found only 3 Champ players that I know in the time I have been up here.

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NOTE

And I also add another disclaimer:
I do not claim to be an expert on either farming or hunting.
There are way better farmers, and loads of better hunters (like Jess) ahead of me.
Like Speedö & SŠ have noted, I'm still a noob @ 3.5K trophies.

What I did notice during the last Forum Elite though, was that the misconceptions about the hunters / the top clans run by the miles.
Misconceptions such as this.
And it is these rumours and misconceptions, that when left unchecked, turn into ugly monsters that widen the rift between both sides.

I could not spend more than a day in Forum Elite without some form of rumour being thrown @ me,
and by the last day, it got so unbearable & dampened my fun so much that I left before the event was over.

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Originally Posted by Swaggermonkey

5 questions that have been brought to my attention by this thread....


1. Why are farmers caring about cheap shielding


3. What number is after 1?


4. Where is my other taco?


5. Why are you guys attacking a potato?

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6. What happened to number two?

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6. What happened to number two?

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I ate it, along with the taco.

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

I believe I have addressed you in a previous thread,
but I will patiently address you here again.

1. Revenging is virtually impossible in Champ league now.
   So the days of attacking and reattaching back and forth are over.
   .
2. You assume that it is actually easy for us to find one another up here.
   
   Maybe. Once in awhile.
   But it doesn't happen everyday.
   
   I come from a family of 8 clans - and I am yet to find / be found by anyone in those clans.
   
   In fact, in my 6 weeks of being a Champ, I have found a whooping grand total of (wait for it) THREE Champs that I know;
   and I have only been attacked ONCE by someone that I know.
   
   (In contrast, like I mentioned before, I have skipped Cloud Whisky's M2 base at least 1x a day)

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Maggie,

Can you please clarify this for me?

I was under the impression that the system offers you bases based on your trophy level. So at low levels you get + or - 200, but at high levels you get + or - 600?

Where you are you'll see plenty of Masters bases but I thought the guys up at 4,200 only see to 3,600. Therefore it's easier to find each other? Is this wrong?

It was my assumption that they were using alliances to not suffer heavy defeats and so keep edging forward, basically into an area on the game that they control.

I know that when I got to 3,750 i couldn't find anyone for hours. It wasn't like this at 3,500. So I would have thought a coordinated offline and search for player would be very possible up high.

Sorry if this is wrong, please share what is really happening to help the rest of us.

Thanks

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For now I'm the only one that have written 'I DON'T OFFER CHEAP SHIELDS', anyone else?

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If I ever get to champs (lol) and somebody pays me enough, like an iTunes card per cheap shield, then I might do it ;)
Depends on the incentive, like most things in life.

I agree, this is unfair, it's ruining the whole idea of 'Clash' of Clans, it is understandable though, for some, they aren't confident wit their base so they want to perfect it until their 'shielding' stops, but when you talk about doing this so you keep your trophies and earn gems that way, it's completely different. I have experienced this type of stuff before, on global many times, with people abusing any champion who says 'hi' to 'Get a life' and 'Become Legit', this is unfair for the champions out there who just have an awesome base, they get blamed for what their friends do. I believe that there should be a kind of system, I really don't know what sort or how it will work yet, but anyway, to all those champions out there who are 'legit' make a stand!


Thanks,


Buddy :D;)

Guys it's an interesting subject that needs to be discussed in an adult way.

But the forum has rules about discussing fluffy bunny, i've deleted a few posts about that please don't be responsible the thread closing by continuing.

Cheap shielding - within TOS, do you want to sign up to stop it (per OP)...or do you actually care?
Fluffybunny - very much against the TOS and against the company forum rules to discuss - all it does is provide free advertising for the sad people who feel that ch34ting gives them some kind of satisfaction, not realising or more likely not caring that it ruins it for everyone up there.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Daddy

Guys it's an interesting subject that needs to be discussed in an adult way.

But the forum has rules about discussing fluffy bunny, i've deleted a few posts about that please don't be responsible the thread closing by continuing.

Cheap shielding - within TOS, do you want to sign up to stop it (per OP)...or do you actually care?
Fluffybunny - very much against the TOS and against the company forum rules to discuss - all it does is provide free advertising for the sad people who feel that ch34ting gives them some kind of satisfaction, not realising or more likely not caring that it ruins it for everyone up there.

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Thank you for the reply. 100% agree with what you are saying here.
As I said before i think that cheap shielding is not against any rules, but against the spirit of the game. I think it's like soccer combine where 2 teams decide who has to win before the match; they aren't violating any soccer rule (offside, excetera) but they are doing something wrong, something that spoils the fun.
And you can agree that, despite what Potato says, there is a substancial difference between the TH exposed of a farmer sniped by some stranger and the voluntary 40% defeat or 1 star win: first of all reason because you can't find voluntarily a farmer... but above 3600/3700 you can find voluntarily a trophies hunter...
What I can't stand it's that up there instead of a fierce struggle for the first positions what seems to happen is a peaceful agreement between the players to help someone or someone else.

PS to Potato, watch the video from 6:40 (he is confirming what I said)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cegu3...b-vM9qeDS4a_Qw

As this player says in the video it's not illegal, but in my opinion it's unfair and cloudy.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

As this player says in the video it's not illegal, but in my opinion it's unfair and cloudy.

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How is it unfair when it's within the rule and almost everyone tries to use it. People are clever and they can bend the rule to their advantage to stay at the top, that's how it always works.

This is a game people, not an Olympic competition.

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

FARMING CHEAP SHIELD:
Defender TH exposed - TH sniped, loot saved
Attacking TH exposed - TH sniped, loot bonus gained, trophies gained

HUNTING CHEAP SHIELD:
Defending TH exposed - Higher player attacks you, you usually get totalled, but you lose a grand total of under 10 cups, restoring your sanity for 12 hours of your life
Attacking TH exposed - Higher player gains loot & cups

Sounds like a good deal on both sides to me.

As countless of people have mentioned before,
it is not in any way, a form of chèáting.
You are confusing it with a strategy to help you progress along the game.


My point exactly - as I mentioned earlier, I have found Cloud Whisky 1x / day since I started pushing.
Fob benefited from my 36 cups when I massively failed on his base while trying to shield him
(yes, this is the risk that comes from cheap shielding, so honestly, we don't do it for everyone & anyone because of the risks)
But all three of you are / were in Masters.
(And you benefited from a shield by me as well. :p)

Till date, I have found only 3 Champ players that I know in the time I have been up here.

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Kept what I thought was interesting.

First off, the "hunting cheap shield" you're talking about is not the ones that are in question here. You can see alot of top players making poinless Clans (Bosshog is a prime example) in an attempt to get a free shield (or Alliance attack), this happens when a player with lower trophies finds them and then 40% them for a 1 trophie loss (The mohammed Maher clip is one example, Another is Stier http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLEBb3rqJqUqDbky74uuSZA you can see his defence log in some of the videos). Bosshog was number 1 World wide and in a clan named milkshake or something like that and it was closed, you can't really convince me that he was waiting for someone higher up to steal less of his trophies.

I'm not saying that it's easy to find someone but you can't compare your 8 family clan with this.
1. You're alot lower then the players in question (eventhough a impressive number).
2. You can't attack clan members and I'm sure that there's just a few that's high enough in your other 7 Clans . Giving you maybe 5 people looking for you in a wider range compared to atleast 20 in a much more narrow range 3800+.

And to be fair, what does "it's not easy" have to do with anything? Is it less wrong to rob a bank instead of a 7/11 because it's harder to do? (Just comparing the "it's not easy" part I'm not comparing Cheap shielding with bank robbing)

The farming excuse (now I'm comparing to the real cheap shielding that's stated above), Finding clan members and attacking them isn't at all the same as farming with your TH outside since it's not a guaranteed success, you still risk losing Everything because you don't have a deal with the attacker.
I have my TH outside while farming in master and 40% of the attackers goes for my Resources aswell or Lightning my DE. Yes you may fail at cheap shielding but poor execution doesn't make it right.

"The it's not chéáting it's strategy statement", I saw a top player comparing it to When Michael Shumacher won a race since his team mate slowed down, might not be pretty but it's not against the rules. It would be a fair comparison if it was the no. 1 and 2 player that does this to eachother, now it's more like if Shumacher finished second by 1 sec but his team mate that finished 105th took 2 seconds and added it to his time, giving Shumacher the win. I'd call that chéáting.

The fact is that SC disabled the revenge option for high level players to avoid cheap shields or atleast make it harder, so SC obviously sees it as an exploit.

Another exploit is the Alliances Which basicly is a deal with other Clans, feeder Clans and your own clan (if you leave it) with a maximum trophie loss roof, it's probably more common now since it's hard to get a real cheap shield. This prevents any other Clans to establish at the top since their players lose twice as many trophies on defence, 2* instead of 1*.
The Alliances compared to farming would be: "You can attack my Resources but you're only allowed to steal 2 storages" which for every farmer sounds like a bad joke.

We obviously don't agree if you Think that this is fair play. Your definition of cheap shielding isn't even Close to the general apprehention of what it really is. I guess that you havn't been around long enough if you really Believe that thats what people mean when the says "Cheap shielding ".

My rant is over, I wish all of those who made it to the bottom a very nice weekend! Cheers! :)

Although I have never made it to champions league, I do have to agree with Miss Potato on this one. In a perfect world, farmers shouldn't rely on exposing their th for a 'cheap shield' and cup climbers shouldn't hunt clan's mate for cheap shielding. However, it is what it is. I am guilty of leaving my th outside, I would be stupid not to as I am farming so I would rather protect my resources than cups.

As a farmer, these are the things that I am most annoyed with:

1. exposed th, other players that attacked you getting a cheap shield. It is impossible for me to revenge anyone even below 2300.

2. farmers that are on 10-18 hours a day. give it a break. give me a chance of revenging or to loot you.

Sometimes I raid throughout the day, maybe once every 1-2 hours then I log off. This allow other players to revenge me or find me. I heard stories of people continuously tapping on their phones or ipads while troops are cooking so that they won't be kicked out, isn't that the same as building a device to keep you on throughout the day?

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

As I have stated earlier, before you continue trolling on,
please remember one fact that you can countercheck with EVERYONE who has walked the block around these Forums
- I had my roots as a farmer (and I still consider myself one, even though the community has slowly begun to push me away) before becoming a hunter.
so unlike you, I think I know what I am talking about on both angles.

FARMING CHEAP SHIELD:
Defender TH exposed - TH sniped, loot saved
Attacking TH exposed - TH sniped, loot bonus gained, trophies gained

HUNTING CHEAP SHIELD:
Defending TH exposed - Higher player attacks you, you usually get totalled, but you lose a grand total of under 10 cups, restoring your sanity for 12 hours of your life
Attacking TH exposed - Higher player gains loot & cups

Sounds like a good deal on both sides to me.

As countless of people have mentioned before,
it is not in any way, a form of chèáting.
You are confusing it with a strategy to help you progress along the game.



My point exactly - as I mentioned earlier, I have found Cloud Whisky 1x / day since I started pushing.
Fob benefited from my 36 cups when I massively failed on his base while trying to shield him
(yes, this is the risk that comes from cheap shielding, so honestly, we don't do it for everyone & anyone because of the risks)
But all three of you are / were in Masters.
(And you benefited from a shield by me as well. :p)

Till date, I have found only 3 Champ players that I know in the time I have been up here.

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The little (reminding all players who find her for 1 cup, that if you 3* her, she gets 16 hours of rest) Potatroll :rolleyes:

NOTE

And I also add another disclaimer:
I do not claim to be an expert on either farming or hunting.
There are way better farmers, and loads of better hunters (like Jess) ahead of me.
Like Speedö & SŠ have noted, I'm still a noob @ 3.5K trophies.

What I did notice during the last Forum Elite though, was that the misconceptions about the hunters / the top clans run by the miles.
Misconceptions such as this.
And it is these rumours and misconceptions, that when left unchecked, turn into ugly monsters that widen the rift between both sides.

I could not spend more than a day in Forum Elite without some form of rumour being thrown @ me,
and by the last day, it got so unbearable & dampened my fun so much that I left before the event was over.

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

How is it unfair when it's within the rule and almost everyone tries to use it. People are clever and they can bend the rule to their advantage to stay at the top, that's how it always works.

This is a game people, not an Olympic competition.

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Yes this is a game, but this is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME, not a COOPERATIVE GAME.
But as the things are today you can't win without having a bunch of friends that help you. And I don't want to describe why and how some people are helped and not other people. The true is that you, rjdofu, won't never be able to be in the top 20 without having a bunch of friends that help you.
And probably you will be the guy that give the top player the cheap shield and never the top player that receive it.

The question nobody wants to make here is:
Why do some players give 40% cheap shields? Why?

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Originally Posted by Beerking

Kept what I thought was interesting.

First off, the "hunting cheap shield" you're talking about is not the ones that are in question here. You can see alot of top players making poinless Clans (Bosshog is a prime example) in an attempt to get a free shield (or Alliance attack), this happens when a player with lower trophies finds them and then 40% them for a 1 trophie loss (The mohammed Maher clip is one example, Another is Stier http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLEBb3rqJqUqDbky74uuSZA you can see his defence log in some of the videos). Bosshog was number 1 World wide and in a clan named milkshake or something like that and it was closed, you can't really convince me that he was waiting for someone higher up to steal less of his trophies.

I'm not saying that it's easy to find someone but you can't compare your 8 family clan with this.
1. You're alot lower then the players in question (eventhough a impressive number).
2. You can't attack clan members and I'm sure that there's just a few that's high enough in your other 7 Clans . Giving you maybe 5 people looking for you in a wider range compared to atleast 20 in a much more narrow range 3800+.

And to be fair, what does "it's not easy" have to do with anything? Is it less wrong to rob a bank instead of a 7/11 because it's harder to do? (Just comparing the "it's not easy" part I'm not comparing Cheap shielding with bank robbing)

The farming excuse (now I'm comparing to the real cheap shielding that's stated above), Finding clan members and attacking them isn't at all the same as farming with your TH outside since it's not a guaranteed success, you still risk losing Everything because you don't have a deal with the attacker.
I have my TH outside while farming in master and 40% of the attackers goes for my Resources aswell or Lightning my DE. Yes you may fail at cheap shielding but poor execution doesn't make it right.

"The it's not chéáting it's strategy statement", I saw a top player comparing it to When Michael Shumacher won a race since his team mate slowed down, might not be pretty but it's not against the rules. It would be a fair comparison if it was the no. 1 and 2 player that does this to eachother, now it's more like if Shumacher finished second by 1 sec but his team mate that finished 105th took 2 seconds and added it to his time, giving Shumacher the win. I'd call that chéáting.

The fact is that SC disabled the revenge option for high level players to avoid cheap shields or atleast make it harder, so SC obviously sees it as an exploit.

Another exploit is the Alliances Which basicly is a deal with other Clans, feeder Clans and your own clan (if you leave it) with a maximum trophie loss roof, it's probably more common now since it's hard to get a real cheap shield. This prevents any other Clans to establish at the top since their players lose twice as many trophies on defence, 2* instead of 1*.
The Alliances compared to farming would be: "You can attack my Resources but you're only allowed to steal 2 storages" which for every farmer sounds like a bad joke.

We obviously don't agree if you Think that this is fair play. Your definition of cheap shielding isn't even Close to the general apprehention of what it really is. I guess that you havn't been around long enough if you really Believe that thats what people mean when the says "Cheap shielding ".

My rant is over, I wish all of those who made it to the bottom a very nice weekend! Cheers! :)

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You could not better express what I think!

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Originally Posted by thisismine

The question nobody wants to make here is:
Why do some players give 40% cheap shields? Why?

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A better question is why do players snipe my th at 1600 cups? Its interesting how passionate you are with what people do in champions league.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

Yes this is a game, but this is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME, not a COOPERATIVE GAME.
But as the things are today you can't win without having a bunch of friends that help you. And I don't want to describe why and how some people are helped and not other people. The true is that you, rjdofu, won't never be able to be in the top 20 without having a bunch of friends that help you.
And probably you will be the guy that give the top player the cheap shield and never the top player that receive it.

The question nobody wants to make here is:
Why do some players give 40% cheap shields? Why?

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Not true in a slightest. If you want to play this game as a single player game, quit your clan. The very fact that you need your clan castle troops means that this is a cooperative game.

No, the lone wolf will never come out on top, and he shouldn't be. If you want to be on top, you need your clans and more than that: an alliance. You need friends who will help you. You need a relationship in order to be successful.

@2ndbold: Anyone given the same condition as the top players (money, time and alliance) has an equal chance of becoming a top one himself.

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Originally Posted by Beerking

Kept what I thought was interesting.

First off, the "hunting cheap shield" you're talking about is not the ones that are in question here. You can see alot of top players making poinless Clans (Bosshog is a prime example) in an attempt to get a free shield (or Alliance attack), this happens when a player with lower trophies finds them and then 40% them for a 1 trophie loss (The mohammed Maher clip is one example, Another is Stier http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLEBb3rqJqUqDbky74uuSZA you can see his defence log in some of the videos). Bosshog was number 1 World wide and in a clan named milkshake or something like that and it was closed, you can't really convince me that he was waiting for someone higher up to steal less of his trophies.

I'm not saying that it's easy to find someone but you can't compare your 8 family clan with this.
1. You're alot lower then the players in question (eventhough a impressive number).
2. You can't attack clan members and I'm sure that there's just a few that's high enough in your other 7 Clans . Giving you maybe 5 people looking for you in a wider range compared to atleast 20 in a much more narrow range 3800+.

And to be fair, what does "it's not easy" have to do with anything? Is it less wrong to rob a bank instead of a 7/11 because it's harder to do? (Just comparing the "it's not easy" part I'm not comparing Cheap shielding with bank robbing)

The farming excuse (now I'm comparing to the real cheap shielding that's stated above), Finding clan members and attacking them isn't at all the same as farming with your TH outside since it's not a guaranteed success, you still risk losing Everything because you don't have a deal with the attacker.
I have my TH outside while farming in master and 40% of the attackers goes for my Resources aswell or Lightning my DE. Yes you may fail at cheap shielding but poor execution doesn't make it right.

"The it's not chéáting it's strategy statement", I saw a top player comparing it to When Michael Shumacher won a race since his team mate slowed down, might not be pretty but it's not against the rules. It would be a fair comparison if it was the no. 1 and 2 player that does this to eachother, now it's more like if Shumacher finished second by 1 sec but his team mate that finished 105th took 2 seconds and added it to his time, giving Shumacher the win. I'd call that chéáting.

The fact is that SC disabled the revenge option for high level players to avoid cheap shields or atleast make it harder, so SC obviously sees it as an exploit.

Another exploit is the Alliances Which basicly is a deal with other Clans, feeder Clans and your own clan (if you leave it) with a maximum trophie loss roof, it's probably more common now since it's hard to get a real cheap shield. This prevents any other Clans to establish at the top since their players lose twice as many trophies on defence, 2* instead of 1*.
The Alliances compared to farming would be: "You can attack my Resources but you're only allowed to steal 2 storages" which for every farmer sounds like a bad joke.

We obviously don't agree if you Think that this is fair play. Your definition of cheap shielding isn't even Close to the general apprehention of what it really is. I guess that you havn't been around long enough if you really Believe that thats what people mean when the says "Cheap shielding ".

My rant is over, I wish all of those who made it to the bottom a very nice weekend! Cheers! :)

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Allow me to rebutt your points.

First of all, definition of CHEAP SHIELD:
1) cheap: a price that a payee is wiling to pay, and finds it a good deal for something that he is getting in return.
2) shield: an item that prevents you from being attacked in this game.

So, cheap shield essentially means the defender using means to obtain a shield by offering something that would make the trade off beneficial for him.

It doesn't matter the circumstances, or the type of players involved. A player offering 1 trophy to be attacked up to 50% to gain a shield, cheap shield. A player offering his TH and its equivalent trophies to obtain a shield, cheap shield. A player offering 40% of his buildings unprotected to ensure he gets a shield, cheap shield.

Whether the deal needs to be made before hand is not important. Top clans have an understanding to shield their clan mates (who are in a solitary clan), just like how farmers have an understanding that TH snipers will take their TH and run.

Chances of success also doesn't matter (agree with you here). Because once you are in matchmaking, you have the chance of getting attacked by anyone, be it 20 clanmates out of 50 trophy hunters, or 300 clan mates and 1000 TH snipers out of 5000 attackers.

The one thing that allows cheap shielding to be scrutinized in terms of legitimacy is none other than this: MOTIVE. The motive, you want a shield. The reason, to protect your trophies or resources. The means, you utilize player behavior to work to your advantage. Player behaviors such as the common occurance of a TH sniper taking your TH and run, or the common occurance that a clan mate doesn't go all out on you in his attacks.

♥♥♥♥♥ing or not, you decide.

However, i disagree that there is only a specific type of cheap shielding that occurs at a specific level which deserve scrutinity.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

The question nobody wants to make here is:
Why do some players give 40% cheap shields? Why?

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You are scrutinizing the motive of a good deed.

Why do my friends from other clans drop cups on me when i'm pushing for trophies?

Why do my brother puts his resources out in the open right before i revenge him?

Why do people volunteer at Soup Kitchen?

Why do i help that blind guy cross th road even when i'm late for an interview?

Not everything we do needs to be about ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

You are scrutinizing the motive of a good deed.

Why do my friends from other clans drop cups on me when i'm pushing for trophies?

Why do my brother puts his resources out in the open right before i revenge him?

Why do people volunteer at Soup Kitchen?

Why do i help that blind guy cross th road even when i'm late for an interview?

Not everything we do needs to be about ourselves.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

Not true in a slightest. If you want to play this game as a single player game, quit your clan. The very fact that you need your clan castle troops means that this is a cooperative game.

No, the lone wolf will never come out on top, and he shouldn't be. If you want to be on top, you need your clans and more than that: an alliance. You need friends who will help you. You need a relationship in order to be successful.

@2ndbold: Anyone given the same condition as the top players (money, time and alliance) has an equal chance of becoming a top one himself.

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Yeah, this is a cooperative game between you and your clan, and only your clan... Why top players are staying alone in their closed clan? Come on, be honest and don't play with my words!

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Originally Posted by thisismine

Yeah, this is a cooperative game between you and your clan, and only your clan... Why top players are staying alone in their closed clan? Come on, be honest and don't play with my words!

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Well not really, people from different clans often come to my clan to offer trophy racing. Most recently, there's a race between HaiphongBro and Vietop, and they ended up 2nd and 3rd ranked top clan. Their clans consisted of people from all over the place, that alone means that the cooperative level of this game can be taken well beyond a single clan push or race between clanmates.

Btw, should I be honest about what exactly? I have no benefit from this.

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Originally Posted by thisismine

Yeah, this is a cooperative game between you and your clan, and only your clan... Why top players are staying alone in their closed clan? Come on, be honest and don't play with my words!

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They are hoping that one of their friends find them so they get a cheap shield?

Just like how a farmer throws out his town hall and hoping someone snipe their town hall and go.

Both are hoping for something that benefits them but why are you only condemning one but justifying the other?



P.S. I believed farmers get TH sniped at a higher % as compared to those champs getting their bases found by their friends... At least thats what I believed as I never have being at champ level:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

Well not really, people from different clans often come to my clan to offer trophy racing. Most recently, there's a race between HaiphongBro and Vietop, and they ended up 2nd and 3rd ranked top clan. Their clans consisted of people from all over the place, that alone means that the cooperative level of this game can be taken well beyond a single clan push or race between clanmates.

Btw, should I be honest about what exactly? I have no benefit from this.

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People join the top clans just to get the gems at the last few hours of the season..

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Originally Posted by greggsaber1

People join the top clans just to get the gems at the last few hours of the season..

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Your point being?

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Allow me to rebutt your points.

First of all, definition of CHEAP SHIELD:
1) cheap: a price that a payee is wiling to pay, and finds it a good deal for something that he is getting in return.
2) shield: an item that prevents you from being attacked in this game.

So, cheap shield essentially means the defender using means to obtain a shield by offering something that would make the trade off beneficial for him.

It doesn't matter the circumstances, or the type of players involved. A player offering 1 trophy to be attacked up to 50% to gain a shield, cheap shield. A player offering his TH and its equivalent trophies to obtain a shield, cheap shield. A player offering 40% of his buildings unprotected to ensure he gets a shield, cheap shield.

Whether the deal needs to be made before hand is not important. Top clans have an understanding to shield their clan mates (who are in a solitary clan), just like how farmers have an understanding that TH snipers will take their TH and run.

Chances of success also doesn't matter (agree with you here). Because once you are in matchmaking, you have the chance of getting attacked by anyone, be it 20 clanmates out of 50 trophy hunters, or 300 clan mates and 1000 TH snipers out of 5000 attackers.

The one thing that allows cheap shielding to be scrutinized in terms of legitimacy is none other than this: MOTIVE. The motive, you want a shield. The reason, to protect your trophies or resources. The means, you utilize player behavior to work to your advantage. Player behaviors such as the common occurance of a TH sniper taking your TH and run, or the common occurance that a clan mate doesn't go all out on you in his attacks.

♥♥♥♥♥ing or not, you decide.

However, i disagree that there is only a specific type of cheap shielding that occurs at a specific level which deserve scrutinity.

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If you read the OP:s posts he's obviously reffering to the same as me (which funny enough you didn't bother to mention). Attacking a higher clan mate and stop at 40%, this has been the definition of Cheap shielding since the Jorge Yao glory Days, you can try to hide that as much as you like with terminology but that is the fact and it will remain the same. I don't care what it's called it's what the OP meant, avoiding the question with ♥♥ won't help your cause.

Whether the deal has to be made Before is the whole issue here, let's use OP:s football (soccer) analogy.

I would claim that offence is stronger therefor is the attacker the stronger team high up and the defender the weaker. Cheap shielding in this case: The stronger team deliberately loses to help the weaker team, fair?
Alliances: The stronger team decides to only win by 1 goal to help the weaker teams goal difference, fair?
You can't possible say that losing on purpose is fair?

Biggest difference with farming is that it's a win/win, I want my Resources protected and the sniper want the trophies.

Someone who deliberately loses or quit the raid to help the defender isn't the same, people still claiming it to be is just funny.

The game is made so that you can't be attacked by your clan for a reason, leaving it to get attacked is exploiting the system, if you were suppose to do that, you would be able to without leaving the clan.

Use whatever argument you want to convince yourself that it's not chéáting because you won't convince anyone else.

While I can't speak for everyone, a couple of weeks ago I was at Champ and in Kings Gate, which is the gateway to Kings Landing, and people move between the two regularly. KL is currently the number 2 clan and contains the number 2 player. The guys from KL made it quite clear to us that nobody expects or even wants to be cheap shielded. Those people who move out of their home clan into a clone are clearly trying to get found and I suspect there is a degree of coordination, getting people to search at the right times, but please don't tar everyone with the same brush or assume that all top players must be doing this. Because they certainly are not.

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Originally Posted by lim81

They are hoping that one of their friends find them so they get a cheap shield?

Just like how a farmer throws out his town hall and hoping someone snipe their town hall and go.

Both are hoping for something that benefits them but why are you only condemning one but justifying the other?



P.S. I believed farmers get TH sniped at a higher % as compared to those champs getting their bases found by their friends... At least thats what I believed as I never have being at champ level:rolleyes:

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The only fair way to compare cheap shielding and farming would be if your clan mates left their Resources out in the open for you to attack in an attempt to get around the "no resource sharing rules", this is of course impossible but it would be just as much chéáting as cheap shielding.
Creating multiple accounts or get clan members to boost your resources is the same as create mutiple accounts or getting your clan mates to boost your trophies. I'm pretty sure people would scream chéáters in that case, or do you think that it would be fair to get all the Resources gathered from 3 accounts into 1?

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Originally Posted by Beerking

If you read the OP:s posts he's obviously reffering to the same as me (which funny enough you didn't bother to mention). Attacking a higher clan mate and stop at 40%, this has been the definition of Cheap shielding since the Jorge Yao glory Days, you can try to hide that as much as you like with terminology but that is the fact and it will remain the same. I don't care what it's called it's what the OP meant, avoiding the question with ♥♥ won't help your cause.

Whether the deal has to be made Before is the whole issue here, let's use OP:s football (soccer) analogy.

I would claim that offence is stronger therefor is the attacker the stronger team high up and the defender the weaker. Cheap shielding in this case: The stronger team deliberately loses to help the weaker team, fair?
Alliances: The stronger team decides to only win by 1 goal to help the weaker teams goal difference, fair?
You can't possible say that losing on purpose is fair?

Biggest difference with farming is that it's a win/win, I want my Resources protected and the sniper want the trophies.

Someone who deliberately loses or quit the raid to help the defender isn't the same, people still claiming it to be is just funny.

The game is made so that you can't be attacked by your clan for a reason, leaving it to get attacked is exploiting the system, if you were suppose to do that, you would be able to without leaving the clan.

Use whatever argument you want to convince yourself that it's not chéáting because you won't convince anyone else.

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Losing on purpose, this is the basis of your argument, and the only basis.

You can't prove losing on purpose, at least not in this game. Internet connection can be lost easily, have you tried raiding on third world country internet? Ever lightninged a tree, raged a bush? Ever accidentally tapped surrender?

How would you prove that the top players' clan mate lost to him on purpose, while you zapping a tree is an accident?

And if i 39% you and take all your resources, kill your heroes, kill your cc, but give you 50 trophies, are we ♥♥♥♥♥ing? I could say i had a deal with you, just as easily the top players can say they did not make a deal.

How do you establish a method of proving?

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Originally Posted by Beerking

Use whatever argument you want to convince yourself that it's not chéáting because you won't convince anyone else.

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I like the way you cut right through the ♥♥, man. Well said.

Calling this good deeds, comparing this to helping a blind man across the street... Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Beerking

If you read the OP:s posts he's obviously reffering to the same as me (which funny enough you didn't bother to mention). Attacking a higher clan mate and stop at 40%, this has been the definition of Cheap shielding since the Jorge Yao glory Days, you can try to hide that as much as you like with terminology but that is the fact and it will remain the same. I don't care what it's called it's what the OP meant, avoiding the question with ♥♥ won't help your cause.

Whether the deal has to be made Before is the whole issue here, let's use OP:s football (soccer) analogy.

I would claim that offence is stronger therefor is the attacker the stronger team high up and the defender the weaker. Cheap shielding in this case: The stronger team deliberately loses to help the weaker team, fair?
Alliances: The stronger team decides to only win by 1 goal to help the weaker teams goal difference, fair?
You can't possible say that losing on purpose is fair?

Biggest difference with farming is that it's a win/win, I want my Resources protected and the sniper want the trophies.

Someone who deliberately loses or quit the raid to help the defender isn't the same, people still claiming it to be is just funny.

The game is made so that you can't be attacked by your clan for a reason, leaving it to get attacked is exploiting the system, if you were suppose to do that, you would be able to without leaving the clan.

Use whatever argument you want to convince yourself that it's not chéáting because you won't convince anyone else.

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Am I missing something? By leaving the clan, does he guaranteed to be found by his clan mates? What are the chances? 5 or 6 out of 10 defenses? Please pardon me for my ignorance as I never have being in champ so I do not know the actual statistics...

Farmers leaving out their town hall for sniping is also taking their chance. I do know the % for that and can pose logs to prove if needed to. Currently Im farming at 2400. For my last 10 defensive log, 9 of them are TH snipes. Pretty good % rates here:rolleyes:

I do not mind if one want to condemn cheap shielding but it irks me that how some farmers condemn one action but aggressively defending his own action by claiming its different and is justified.


P.S. I am a shameless farmer who exploit the game mechanics by leaving out my town hall, sacrificing some useless trophies which I can easily get back with a few raids while protecting my resources for 12 hours:o

P.S.S I just got another 12 hours shield for a loss of 9 worthless trophies and 1000 gold/1765 elixir. Tough luck to those who hope to get my resources.... I am offering more than 320k gold and elixir....Lol

This is obviously a massive problem and something needs to be done about it.Yes if you intentionally lose a game at 40% to give a shield then its che$ting.Ok so maybe you cant prove it all the time but this isnt a court of law.I think that if it happens more than say 2-3 times in champion you should be banned for a day or two.if they press end battle then it can be proven because they pressed it.They should make it so that if a pattern emerges of quitting at 40% then you get a short ban and anymore after that a longer ban

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Originally Posted by CunningLinguists

This is obviously a massive problem and something needs to be done about it.Yes if you intentionally lose a game at 40% to give a shield then its che$ting.Ok so maybe you cant prove it all the time but this isnt a court of law.I think that if it happens more than say 2-3 times in champion you should be banned for a day or two.if they press end battle then it can be proven because they pressed it.They should make it so that if a pattern emerges of quitting at 40% then you get a short ban and anymore after that a longer ban

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What if he loses internet connection?

Or goes into battle with only 2 barbarians? Too obvious? How about a specific combination of troop that will never get more than 40% against a maxed base, say 40 giants and 8 wizards?

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Losing on purpose, this is the basis of your argument, and the only basis.

You can't prove losing on purpose, at least not in this game. Internet connection can be lost easily, have you tried raiding on third world country internet? Ever lightninged a tree, raged a bush? Ever accidentally tapped surrender?

How would you prove that the top players' clan mate lost to him on purpose, while you zapping a tree is an accident?

And if i 39% you and take all your resources, kill your heroes, kill your cc, but give you 50 trophies, are we ♥♥♥♥♥ing? I could say i had a deal with you, just as easily the top players can say they did not make a deal.

How do you establish a method of proving?

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Have we really come to this? The discussion was whether it is right on not, not if I can prove it, again moving the conversation won't help you.

But for the sake of it, In the Mohammed Maher interview that Daddy did, he attacked his own account and stopped the attack at 40%+.
The youtube link I posted in a previous comment of Stier (was no1 for short period of time), he plays with alot of different accounts, you can see his defence log in some of the videos, it's himself attacking his top account (you can see him play with his other accounts in other videos) to get to the number 1 spot.

Got any more arguments?

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Originally Posted by lim81

They are hoping that one of their friends find them so they get a cheap shield?

Just like how a farmer throws out his town hall and hoping someone snipe their town hall and go.

Both are hoping for something that benefits them but why are you only condemning one but justifying the other?



P.S. I believed farmers get TH sniped at a higher % as compared to those champs getting their bases found by their friends... At least thats what I believed as I never have being at champ level:rolleyes:

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Yeah i think they are 2 totally different things,You cant compare the two as one is obvious and intentional and its designed to keep you on top whereas the other is the opposite.One is a win/win the other is an exploit that ruins the game

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Originally Posted by lim81

Am I missing something? By leaving the clan, does he guaranteed to be found by his clan mates? What are the chances? 5 or 6 out of 10 defenses? Please pardon me for my ignorance as I never have being in champ so I do not know the actual statistics...

Farmers leaving out their town hall for sniping is also taking their chance. I do know the % for that and can pose logs to prove if needed to. Currently Im farming at 2400. For my last 10 defensive log, 9 of them are TH snipes. Pretty good % rates here:rolleyes:

I do not mind if one want to condemn cheap shielding but it irks me that how some farmers condemn one action but aggressively defending his own action by claiming its different and is justified.


P.S. I am a shameless farmer who exploit the game mechanics by leaving out my town hall, sacrificing some useless trophies which I can easily get back with a few raids while protecting my resources for 12 hours:o

P.S.S I just got another 12 hours shield for a loss of 9 worthless trophies and 1000 gold/1765 elixir. Tough luck to those who hope to get my resources.... I am offering more than 320k gold and elixir....Lol

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He is not guaranteed, but does that justify it when it do work? They are obviously doing something that wasn't meant to be done (being attacked by other clan members). Comparing farming with cheap shielding isn't possible since it's 2 very different things, check my previous respons of what a fair comparison would be.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

What if he loses internet connection?

Or goes into battle with only 2 barbarians? Too obvious? How about a specific combination of troop that will never get more than 40% against a maxed base, say 40 giants and 8 wizards?

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Then if he "loses" his connection more than twice in a season,then punish him.if he uses an army that wont get more than 40% and then quits at 40% then punish again?I think some said once before that taking away the end battle button once you're at 30% might help?Then its just worrying about if people intentionally lose their connections,However if you lose your connection the battle keeps going so its atleast a lil harder to cheap shield (is that still the case?that the battle keeps going?)

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Originally Posted by CunningLinguists

Yeah i think they are 2 totally different things,You cant compare the two as one is obvious and intentional and its designed to keep you on top whereas the other is the opposite.One is a win/win the other is an exploit that ruins the game

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Please.... both are obvious and intentional... One wants his trophy and another one to keep his resources safe. Leaving out TH is not an intentional action? The town hall just unintentionally got to that corner of the base on its own?

Getting a base taken out of the match making can be also consider as an exploit of some kind. Just as how some people defines ♥♥♥♥♥ing, there are also others define free TH as exploits.

Sighz... there is no end to this again...:rolleyes:

P.S. the win/win argument is ♥♥ to me.... but it seems to be most farmers justification for leaving their town hall out...

Got to love how the cheap shielding defenders Went from "I'ts pretty much impossible" to "ok it's possible but it's not chéáting" to "ok it's chéáting but you can't prove it".

Hillarious ;)

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Originally Posted by lim81

Please.... both are obvious and intentional... One wants his trophy and another one to keep his resources safe. Leaving out TH is not an intentional action? The town hall just unintentionally got to that corner of the base on its own?

Getting a base taken out of the match making can be also consider as an exploit of some kind. Just as how some people defines ♥♥♥♥♥ing, there are also others define free TH as exploits.

Sighz... there is no end to this again...:rolleyes:

P.S. the win/win argument is ♥♥ to me.... but it seems to be most farmers justification for leaving their town hall out...

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No respons on my fair comparison?

It's not possible to compare the two since you can't win Resources on defence.

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Originally Posted by Beerking

Have we really come to this? The discussion was whether it is right on not, not if I can prove it, again moving the conversation won't help you.

But for the sake of it, In the Mohammed Maher interview that Daddy did, he attacked his own account and stopped the attack at 40%+.
The youtube link I posted in a previous comment of Stier (was no1 for short period of time), he plays with alot of different accounts, you can see his defence log in some of the videos, it's himself attacking his top account (you can see him play with his other accounts in other videos) to get to the number 1 spot.

Got any more arguments?

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Cheap or not, that's a part of the tactic. Here's the thing: nothing stops others from using the same method, other than they themselves.

If using multiple account is indeed against the rule, then it's SC job to provide punishment and it should be done already (they've done nothing, though)

If it's not, then who are you to say what he can or cannot do?

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Originally Posted by Beerking

He is not guaranteed, but does that justify it when it do work? They are obviously doing something that wasn't meant to be done (being attacked by other clan members). Comparing farming with cheap shielding isn't possible since it's 2 very different things, check my previous respons of what a fair comparison would be.

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I saw your response and do not think that was a fair comparision(maybe to you but definitely not for me).... Lol

Defend the farming with town hall outside if you must. I am also exploiting the free town hall at the moment and is happily enjoying my 12 hours shield.

I am not taking sides but just trying to point out to the people who are pointing their fingers at some of the champs action, please take a look at what some of them are doing themselves. Taking their bases out of the match-making prematurely by offering free TH is actually considered as an exploit of some kind as well. At least to me (by my definition).:rolleyes:

P.S. of course, to the farmers, they have their own definition/justification and see nothing wrong with what they are doing... Exactly like how champs having their own definition/justication and see nothing wrong with what they are doing...Lol