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Originally Posted by Beerking

A champ leaving his Resources outside want trophies, and they are leaving Resources outside to get it. I really don't see your Point here, is it really because it doesn't happen as often that's the reason? How does the % of success justify anything?


I can't remember exactly when it was implemented but I wouldn't call it recent considering when the issue was raised (remember that they need time to make a solution aswell).
How is getting a free shield by revenge any different than getting a free shield by an attack? The end result is still the same. Just as with Yohan Blake.

The farming "issue" if you want to call it that has been known for a very long time and the fix is simple and ready if SC would want to implement it. They obviously don't so no, I wouldn't call myself wrong if they changed it, they would simply be going in a different desicion, the difference here is that SC has approved of farming with a TH outside but they have never approved of cheap shielding (The non clan member attack from the start and the "fix" after the issue was raised.


I want to get Money and I do so by working, you also want to get Money but you do it by stealing.
We both has the same goal, Money (shield). I do it by working (TH outside) while you do it by stealing (cheap shield). Disregarding the win/win and win/lose part really gets you into trouble while arguing.

I win, since I get paid, my employer win since his Company succeeds. You win since you get Money but your victim loses since he loses Money.
My Point is that you can't base your arguments by disregarding relevant facts. I really hope that you can see that your entire argumentation is flawed.

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Sighz... Just saw your edited post...

If you want to use "work" and "steal" as your argument, I really have nothing much to say....

Let just say my entire argument is flawed like what you say...

May you have a nice day... though mine is spoiled...Lol:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by lim81

This will be my last post... I got to get up in 5 hours time to get ready for my flight so I really do need some rest...Lol:D

For me, an accurate comparison will be what is the specific action and their desired outcome that they hope to achieve. We are talking about champs leaving their clans and farmers leaving their TH outside. That is why when you bring the resources outside as to compare with TH outside, I feel that is not an accurate comparison. We should stick to what specific action they are taking to achieved their desired results. I'm not sure if you get me on this or not...Lol

As for the TH outside issue, if you want to explain it your way and feel you are not wrong, its fine by me. Different people see things differently and I have totally no intention of forcing you to see things in my perspective. I also have no intention of calling those farmers' action wrong. Just hope some people can also try to understand how others(champs?) might look at things. I'm just tired of seeing people in the forum calling out on others so negatively while not reflecting on their own actions...

Have a nice day, sir:o

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Ah I wasn't Quick enough with my edit where I saw this coming so I'll repost it.

I want to get Money and I do so by working, you also want to get Money but you do it by stealing.
We both has the same goal, Money (shield). I do it by working (TH outside) while you do it by stealing (cheap shield). Disregarding the win/win and win/lose part really gets you into trouble while arguing.

I win, since I get paid, my employer win since his Company succeeds. You win since you get Money but your victim loses since he loses Money.
My Point is that you can't base your arguments by disregarding relevant facts. I really hope that you can see that your entire argumentation is flawed.

Saying "different people see things differently" without any arguments to back it up is like trying to talk to a názi about the holócáust that answears, "well you might Think it was wrong but I see it differently, lets agree to dissagree".

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Originally Posted by lim81

This will be my last post... I got to get up in 5 hours time to get ready for my flight so I really do need some rest...Lol:D

For me, an accurate comparison will be what is the specific action and their desired outcome that they hope to achieve. We are talking about champs leaving their clans and farmers leaving their TH outside. That is why when you bring the resources outside as to compare with TH outside, I feel that is not an accurate comparison. We should stick to what specific action they are taking to achieved their desired results. I'm not sure if you get me on this or not...Lol

As for the TH outside issue, if you want to explain it your way and feel you are not wrong, its fine by me. Different people see things differently and I have totally no intention of forcing you to see things in my perspective. I also have no intention of calling those farmers' action wrong. Just hope some people can also try to understand how others(champs?) might look at things. I'm just tired of seeing people in the forum calling out on others so negatively while not reflecting on their own actions...

Have a nice day, sir:o

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What has that even got to do with it??If its wrong,then its wrong simple!Its irrelevant if you do something similar or even if you dont do it.Youre like a politician or a magician using misdirection to stray away from the actual subject.You can just dodge a question but then in turn question its ethics based on another topic.The question (still actually unanswered) is if its unfair...which we think it is,but you want to get all technical and ethical while actually avoiding the subject completely.Pls tell me you're not in politics

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Originally Posted by lim81

Sighz... Just saw your edited post...

If you want to use "work" and "steal" as your argument, I really have nothing much to say....

Let just say my entire argument is flawed like what you say...

May you have a nice day... though mine is spoiled...Lol:rolleyes:

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Yeah I'm sorry about that :) The argument is that you can't disregard vital facts to fit your argument.

I really hope you have a nice day, go to bed now, it was a fun discussion :)

I don't understand how you are comparing colluding with other players in your clan to avoid game mechanics to a farmer leaving their TH outside for any random player to attack. Huge difference, and if you can't see it, there isn't much else to say.

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Originally Posted by CunningLinguists

Im not disputing the action,ive openly said they are both exploits but i still stand when i say that cheap shielding has a bigger impact on the game at higher levels.You arent even adding to the discussion instead you arguing semantics and technical complexities.Of course they are both exploits but theyre at different ends of the spectrum,Using your logic Murder and Jay-Walking are both the same and as bad as each other because they are both crimes.While it may be true that they are both crimes it doesn't change the fact that one has a much larger impact than the other.Now obviously this isnt the best analogy but its close as now its just pedantic technicalities.Answer one question,Do you think that cheap shielding is fair to other players?

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Both cheap shield and free TH is not fair.

Really, must one really quote both extreme as in "murder" and "jat-walking"? At least you bother to mention it is the best analogy. I totally understand both have different impact and also affect different group of people. Cheap shield impacts those cup hunters while free TH deprives people in the same farming range if a chance at looting their base by prematurely putting their base out of match making.

As mentioned in my previous post, I am just trying to highlight to some that some farmers are doing some actions that is similar in nature. Not trying to say who is more right or wrong. Not trying to say whose action have more impact.

Sighz... hope you do get what I'm trying to say...

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Originally Posted by CunningLinguists

What has that even got to do with it??If its wrong,then its wrong simple!Its irrelevant if you do something similar or even if you dont do it.Youre like a politician or a magician using misdirection to stray away from the actual subject.You can just dodge a question but then in turn question its ethics based on another topic.The question (still actually unanswered) is if its unfair...which we think it is,but you want to get all technical and ethical while actually avoiding the subject completely.Pls tell me you're not in politics

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Please note the above for my answer... Both cheap shield and free TH is unfair.... That was my stance right from the start.

Repeating here again... Just trying to get others to reflect on their own action before calling out on others...

Sighz...

P.S. Not a magician nor politician... Hope I am one as both profession roll in big bucks... Just a simple working man with a simple mind

Lol i give up,its too much for my brain at his hour....I guess it all comes down to either A:ethics B:Morality C:Opinions based on personality traits e.g im an honest person therefore its chea$ting or meh authority?Pfft do what you want its only a game

LOL one things for certain its a hot topic with very complicated answers...All the best guys,great debate even if we sometimes misunderstood the others intentions at times:p
Edit:Have a safe flight lim goodnight

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Originally Posted by Stitch

Maggie,

Can you please clarify this for me?

I was under the impression that the system offers you bases based on your trophy level. So at low levels you get + or - 200, but at high levels you get + or - 600?

Where you are you'll see plenty of Masters bases but I thought the guys up at 4,200 only see to 3,600. Therefore it's easier to find each other? Is this wrong?

It was my assumption that they were using alliances to not suffer heavy defeats and so keep edging forward, basically into an area on the game that they control.

I know that when I got to 3,750 i couldn't find anyone for hours. It wasn't like this at 3,500. So I would have thought a coordinated offline and search for player would be very possible up high.

Sorry if this is wrong, please share what is really happening to help the rest of us.

Thanks

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Moe (3.1K) just got attacked by a clannie who is @ 3.8K - that's a 700 trophy disparity.

And you can check with Daddy what was Pasta's trophy count when he attacked Daddy while he was in M1.

Sure, we have alliances / family clans & we hope that they can find us,
but I know for a fact that many of my clannies @ 3.7K and above MOSTLY get tooled by people from outside.
It really is rare that we get to find one another.

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The little (really couldn't be bothered to entertain all the other trolls on this thread) Potatroll

While I am unsure that anything can be done to thwart human nature and prevent collusion between players. I just have one thing to say on the matter.

Top players are upset that they cannot revenge anyone now, while most everyone below masters can usually get a chance if they are patient enough. Why is this? Because players at the top (and possibly players lower as well), were exploiting the revenge option.

While SC did not remove the revenge button, they changed its' function such that it is nearly impossible to use it at higher trophy levels. While this is unfair to said players, it is they themselves who destroyed their option to revenge by using revenge unjustly (though not illegally) to gain an advantage over others who would vie with them. I advise caution to the top players, or it might not just be the option to revenge that they lose. Perhaps SC might devise a way of preventing clan families to find each other at all in searches, I don't know. I am not trying to make threats, just advise caution and temperance.

I believe it is possible to play this game without such collusion, but do not think it will happen, human nature as it is. When I played some knock-off games, it was not only possible but likely that you would run across your own clan mates while searching for an attack. I found the thought extremely repulsive that I should attack my own clan-mate!

I am a farmer. I do not isolate my hall, but I do leave it exposed. Occasionally someone who only wants my cups will target it, and they are welcome to. It will take more than a few archers to grab it, but hey ... it's yours if you want it badly enough. I isolated my hall a few times when I have an abundance of resources that will put the maximum on offer to an attacker. In those cases, I have never once been sniped. Most of the time I am full on attacked by a higher town hall. Sometimes they succeed, other times they fail. But they always use the bulk if not all of their army including heroes and spells to do it. I say this because the "agreement" that farmers will snipe a hall if there are resources to be had is somewhat laughable. In fact, all it has ever done for me is entice others to set the bulk of their attention on my base with capped resources while a few troops secure the win. In addition, I do not cheap shield farmers with resources, and rarely has a farmer cheap shielded me when I am stocked. I have only been sniped when I offer less than 1/2 of the cap, and in that case ... who cares if I get flattened by a player spending far too many resources for such a low haul. So I will leave my hall accessible, but guarded. In order to take my resources, you have to risk a loss (and 1/2 my offer). In order to take my cups, you have to risk an elixir deficit. This is fair play in my honest opinion, no cheap shields to be had here. :cool: