Really unfair game (trophies)

I'm wondering why this game is punishing players so badly?
I just lost 33 trophies from an attack by an enemy (I was defending) with 2 tiers higher Town Hall (I'm at level 4), there's only so much two archer towers and cannons can do against 120 level 3 barbarians (that's almost twice the army supply I can have). Also, he was 20 player levels higher than me!

The equivalent of this in StarCraft II would be giving a player a 10 minute head start, and when he completely runs over his opponent, you still give him experience matching a win against a higher league player...

Also, when I attack, I rarely ever get more than 10 trophies. The reasons for this being that either the players who give ~30 trophies are a few tiers over me, and I score a star from a misplaced Town Hall... Or if I'm lucky I can find a player with many buildings away from defenses, but they usually give less than 20 trophies (even though they are all at higher tier of Town Hall). The fun part is, that most of the time the penalty for losing an attack is about 3 times larger than what I get from winning with a single star (even more fun when an army comes out of their Clan fort). How are you supposed to earn trophies?

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Originally Posted by Qliver

I'm wondering why this game is punishing players so badly?
I just lost 33 trophies from an attack by an enemy (I was defending) with 2 tiers higher Town Hall (I'm at level 4), there's only so much two archer towers and cannons can do against 120 level 3 barbarians (that's almost twice the army supply I can have). Also, he was 20 player levels higher than me!

The equivalent of this in StarCraft II would be giving a player a 10 minute head start, and when he completely runs over his opponent, you still give him experience matching a win against a higher league player...

Also, when I attack, I rarely ever get more than 10 trophies. The reasons for this being that either the players who give ~30 trophies are a few tiers over me, and I score a star from a misplaced Town Hall... Or if I'm lucky I can find a player with many buildings away from defenses, but they usually give less than 20 trophies (even though they are all at higher tier of Town Hall). The fun part is, that most of the time the penalty for losing an attack is about 3 times larger than what I get from winning with a single star (even more fun when an army comes out of their Clan fort). How are you supposed to earn trophies?

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read the wiki about trophy system and farming

it will clear things for you
im really tired of ppl complaining about stuff before actually knowing them

The player that attacked you probably did so in revenge of an earlier Town Hall snipe attack from you. Also, i think your cup-level is to high for your Town Hall level.

Not trying to be mean but suck it up! The matchmaking system is exceptional in the way it works

If you want to advance in the game, lose the mentality that trophies are worth anything. Raid for resources not trophies, and try dropping down a few ranks to pick on guys your level.

Some clans required certain trophy amount for members. If he's in one of those clan, would be a bit harder.

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Originally Posted by BoardGuest808888

Some clans required certain trophy amount for members. If he's in one of those clan, would be a bit harder.

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If this is his case, then he is in the wrong clan for his current TH level.

You need to raid in a trophy range dictated by your defensive and offensive abilities to raid effectively, and defend effectively.

If you're getting wiped every time, drop trophies. Like people have said, trophies mean close to nothing, and not caring about trophies will help you progress faster in this game.

There's nothing wrong with the matchmaking system. You need to adjust your play by dropping trophies, and possibly leaving your TH outside your base to get cheap shields (meaning people kill your TH and leave, your resources are left alone. You lose only a small amount of trophies. Who cares.)

I stopped reading after "I'm a TH4".. at TH4 you should be farming to max your base and advance your progress. I'm currently at TH7 and yes I prey on TH6's all the time and will end the battle at over 90%. I don't want or care about trophies and neither should you.

Yup, its unfair all right....you just need to try harder and smarter next time :cool:

This game is all about offense.

I'm an almost maxed th9, and if I were to attack my own base, I could rough it up real bad.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

read the wiki about trophy system and farming

it will clear things for you
im really tired of ppl complaining about stuff before actually knowing them

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Why would I want to do that? I don't care about the mathematics, I just want the game to do the matchmaking for me in a good way. I shouldn't be punished because I won too many trophies...

KoningDulcis:
I have about 1000+ trophies

R3taliate:
I fail to see what's so exceptional about it, I've been playing online games since most people here were still in diapers and I can tell you that it's one of the worse I've seen... And I've also read about people looking for games for 30+ min, is that the way it's supposed to be?

Jackcopes:
What else is there to play for? I have workers constantly upgrading without nearly any idle time, and my resources are full most of the time. I want trophies for the achievements so I can get some gems (no, I'm not going to pay for them). Maybe I will try losing some and see if it helps

BoardGuest808888:
That's right, my clan does, maybe I could lose about 200 and still be in it...

hawdog:
Why would I have to do that, if the matchmaking is so good it should take the TH level into consideration more than the trophies, just because I attacked a lot and won many trophies I shouldn't have to play against barbarian king defenses when I don't even have a wizard tower yet.

rio2014:
Gee, that's really helpful. You know this is a forum, used for reading and writing? Maybe read the post next time to know what it's about. I am progressing my base, I have builders working the whole time. I'm almost at TH5 now, hopefully it will even the odds a bit.

Inquisitor:
Well offense against 3 tiers higher TH doesnt really work for me. 20% of the time the found matchup has barbarian kings and multiple wizard towers, I find a player with my tier 1/30 of the games.

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Originally Posted by Qliver

Why would I want to do that? I don't care about the mathematics, I just want the game to do the matchmaking for me in a good way. I shouldn't be punished because I won too many trophies...

KoningDulcis:
I have about 1000+ trophies

R3taliate:
I fail to see what's so exceptional about it, I've been playing online games since most people here were still in diapers and I can tell you that it's one of the worse I've seen... And I've also read about people looking for games for 30+ min, is that the way it's supposed to be?

Jackcopes:
What else is there to play for? I have workers constantly upgrading without nearly any idle time, and my resources are full most of the time. I want trophies for the achievements so I can get some gems (no, I'm not going to pay for them). Maybe I will try losing some and see if it helps

BoardGuest808888:
That's right, my clan does, maybe I could lose about 200 and still be in it...

hawdog:
Why would I have to do that, if the matchmaking is so good it should take the TH level into consideration more than the trophies, just because I attacked a lot and won many trophies I shouldn't have to play against barbarian king defenses when I don't even have a wizard tower yet.

rio2014:
Gee, that's really helpful. You know this is a forum, used for reading and writing? Maybe read the post next time to know what it's about. I am progressing my base, I have builders working the whole time. I'm almost at TH5 now, hopefully it will even the odds a bit.

Inquisitor:
Well offense against 3 tiers higher TH doesnt really work for me. 20% of the time the found matchup has barbarian kings and multiple wizard towers, I find a player with my tier 1/30 of the games.

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Yep it's because your trophies are two high. The highest ive seen TH4s regularly is in the 800s

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Originally Posted by Qliver

Why would I want to do that? I don't care about the mathematics, I just want the game to do the matchmaking for me in a good way. I shouldn't be punished because I won too many trophies...

KoningDulcis:
I have about 1000+ trophies

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You have hit a natural barrier for your TH level. It is completely fair, as now you have more trophies and thus must face tougher bases. It happens to everyone all the time.

How about you grow a pair and stop complaining. Everyone has/had to go through it.

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Originally Posted by Qliver

Why would I want to do that? I don't care about the mathematics, I just want the game to do the matchmaking for me in a good way. I shouldn't be punished because I won too many trophies...

KoningDulcis:
I have about 1000+ trophies

R3taliate:
I fail to see what's so exceptional about it, I've been playing online games since most people here were still in diapers and I can tell you that it's one of the worse I've seen... And I've also read about people looking for games for 30+ min, is that the way it's supposed to be?

Jackcopes:
What else is there to play for? I have workers constantly upgrading without nearly any idle time, and my resources are full most of the time. I want trophies for the achievements so I can get some gems (no, I'm not going to pay for them). Maybe I will try losing some and see if it helps

BoardGuest808888:
That's right, my clan does, maybe I could lose about 200 and still be in it...

hawdog:
Why would I have to do that, if the matchmaking is so good it should take the TH level into consideration more than the trophies, just because I attacked a lot and won many trophies I shouldn't have to play against barbarian king defenses when I don't even have a wizard tower yet.

rio2014:
Gee, that's really helpful. You know this is a forum, used for reading and writing? Maybe read the post next time to know what it's about. I am progressing my base, I have builders working the whole time. I'm almost at TH5 now, hopefully it will even the odds a bit.

Inquisitor:
Well offense against 3 tiers higher TH doesnt really work for me. 20% of the time the found matchup has barbarian kings and multiple wizard towers, I find a player with my tier 1/30 of the games.

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What's next? Are you going to start complaining about not being able to reach 4000 cups at th4? Just drop back down to 800 and work your way back up to 1000. Rinse and repeat. Soon, you'll be able to do the same from 1000-1200 as your army/defenses advance. It's fun farming, enjoy it.

that's just how life is. im climbing back up my trophies and I 3-starred this guy with 5 barbs, 6 archers, 5 gobs and my lvl 10 king and stole 33 trophies from him. be happy that you didn't get humiliated that bad. one day, you'll do it im sure, its quite fun :p

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Originally Posted by Qliver

Why would I want to do that? I don't care about the mathematics, I just want the game to do the matchmaking for me in a good way. I shouldn't be punished because I won too many trophies...

KoningDulcis:
I have about 1000+ trophies

R3taliate:
I fail to see what's so exceptional about it, I've been playing online games since most people here were still in diapers and I can tell you that it's one of the worse I've seen... And I've also read about people looking for games for 30+ min, is that the way it's supposed to be?

Jackcopes:
What else is there to play for? I have workers constantly upgrading without nearly any idle time, and my resources are full most of the time. I want trophies for the achievements so I can get some gems (no, I'm not going to pay for them). Maybe I will try losing some and see if it helps

BoardGuest808888:
That's right, my clan does, maybe I could lose about 200 and still be in it...

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If your clan had a clue, they would tell you to drop trophies and fast.

At TH 4 you are barely even worth running over for the big guys. Your resources are pathetic. The only thing you provide is an easy win for the bi-weekly push in the trophy contest.

Drop trophies until you win more defenses than lose them. That is your "right" level.

BTW, if you really are as old as you claim, stop whining. You are making those of us in the "Senior" division look bad.

If you don't like the game mechanics then don't play.... Simple. Supercell isn't going to change the system just for you, and for that matter how would change it? If it went by townhall or level then trophies would be useless and the maxed out bases would be at the top.

Your mistake is intending the whole matter in a "right" or "wrong" way, and this is because you look the thing just from your perspective.

I understand you feel frustrated for losing trophies trying to achieve 1250 cups to get the bonus gems. We have all been in that situation, so we know what it means. It's hard to get there, but it's supposed to be so, otherwise it would not be an achievement at all. If you ask me, I found rather enjoying and thrilling the fact that any time I opened the game I could have been attacked or most likely wiped by an attacker; that made the rise more challenging!

Talking about perspective, let's put it this way: on your trip to 1250 you may find a TH3 that somehow has reached 1000 cups and his village stands right before your eyes, easy prey for your higher level troops. What would you do? 100% him and get the whole bunch of trophies in an easy raid or skip it for some sort of act of kindness you will never be given credit of?
That's how the game works and most people are satisfied with it. I hope you will learn to enjoy this as you progress :)

The things you are complaining about are the things I LIKE about the game! Lol

In real life wars are won or lost by whoever had the stronger army or defense. (Well, at least they used to be).

I love the challenge of strategically planning for and hunting down opponents that I can wipe out.

Im a just turned th5, too. Ive been playing a little over a week, and I consistently get 100,000 gold in every raid.

While losing maybe 1000 every 12 hrs due to having my th exposed and an easy kill, so trophy hunters will take it and leave my resources alone. And get a 12 hr shield! Although the majority of my resources come from raiding, focusing on resources not trophies, it still works out.

I WILL go trophy hunting, someday. When I'm better equipped to do it. Th5 is NOT the time. Just as in real life, a general thats been fighting for a long time, his army should take out the general that just started. See what I mean?

And last, if everyone was perfectly matched, identical and the same, where would the fight be?

And that's the fun part. Kinda 2 games in 1.

Why aew you worrying about trophies? You havent even built up your base it would be pointless to chase trophies. Go for resource. Thats the idea of this game in early stages. People are too fixated in town hall inside. Throw it out! Remember relying on defense wont help as most trophies come from attacking! :) so raid the /$///$$$$$$$$ only

but this game is unfair.
Well, it's the most popular hand-held game out there. It must be many people like an unfair fight.
Quite complaining and get with the program. A little reading in these posts will bring you a loooong way.
The game can be frustrating but the frustration is the game.
You better get used to losing because it's unavoidable in this game. It's the yin and the yang of your wins versus your losses capiche?

For someone who is playing games forever, you sure complaint a lot. And the point you made, does it even make any sense?

From what i can make out, you gained trophies aka you raised up the league. Climbing the ladder means you get expose to much stronger enemies no? If you get trashed by way stronger armies it likely means you are in a place where your TH level is too low or just bad luck to have some of the high levels going down for whatever reason.

Lastly, if you hate this game that much why are you even playing it still? :confused:

Qliver, the game is unfair in some ways. I've been devasted by players with many more resources that I have. You are correct that in many cases you have no chance whatever. This is particularly true for players like me that aren't interested in joining a clan. I like being independent. Just keep in mind that the game generally favors the attackers. On the other hand, when you are attached, you don't actually lose that many resources, you just lose trophies. It's not hard to get those back. However, don't be too eager to win more too fast. It will just put you up against players that are at a higher level. I've only been playing a little longer than you and the best advice I've been given is to max out every resource before you go to the next higher town hall. One more thing. Everyone gets beaten. Don't take it personally.

Yeah you're quite right. You just need to get used to it and adapt. The matchmaking system is neither right or wrong, it's just...different with other games. And that's about it.

The overwhelming advice on here is to drop trophies and raid for resources from townhall (often abbreviated TH on these forums) levels that are the same level or lower. It is not bad advice. However, the way the achievements work is that you will constantly have an incentive to reach the next plateau. At first, the achievement is get to 1250 trophies, later it is get to masters or champion, for a big pile of gems. The key is to determine when your level/army is strong enough. I commend you for making an attempt at 1250 but perhaps you were not far enough into the game yet. Perhaps you should advance your TH, upgrade your troops, and your camps and try again.

Ahh TH4. So young. So innocent.

Just wait a while, it gets even more fun. Yesterday I got hit by 4 lightning spells on my DE. No troops, just 4 lightning. And because the guy was so far below me in trophys I got ZERO trophys.

It's part of the game. Just deal with it.

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Originally Posted by ThornUnderSea

If your clan had a clue, they would tell you to drop trophies and fast.

At TH 4 you are barely even worth running over for the big guys. Your resources are pathetic. The only thing you provide is an easy win for the bi-weekly push in the trophy contest.

Drop trophies until you win more defenses than lose them. That is your "right" level.

BTW, if you really are as old as you claim, stop whining. You are making those of us in the "Senior" division look bad.

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I'm sorry, so because someone is older they're not entitled to an opinion? I thought that those people are the ones with the most experience, and have more to compare to.

I never said I hate the game, of course I wouldn't be playing it otherwise. Some people need to lose their hostility on this forum...

It seems most people misunderstood what my biggest beef with the game was, it's not reasonable for me how the won/lost trophies are scaled, just doesn't feel right that someone with a few tiers higher TH gets 33 trophies for pwning me, while it can be the opposite situation when I'm the attacker. Also, I didn't know that the league should be proportional to the TH level, if that's the case then why even have leagues, just the player level would be enough. If low TH level means lower league, then it sounds to me like there is no skill involved. Because what some of you are saying is that if I want to go up in a league I need to get a higher TH level.

And to the other people, thanks I will try going down a few leagues to better match my opponents. The first few days I won nearly all defenses, but now I've lost all since maybe a week.

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Originally Posted by Qliver

I'm sorry, so because someone is older they're not entitled to an opinion? I thought that those people are the ones with the most experience, and have more to compare to.

I never said I hate the game, of course I wouldn't be playing it otherwise. Some people need to lose their hostility on this forum...

It seems most people misunderstood what my biggest beef with the game was, it's not reasonable for me how the won/lost trophies are scaled, just doesn't feel right that someone with a few tiers higher TH gets 33 trophies for pwning me, while it can be the opposite situation when I'm the attacker. Also, I didn't know that the league should be proportional to the TH level, if that's the case then why even have leagues, just the player level would be enough. If low TH level means lower league, then it sounds to me like there is no skill involved. Because what some of you are saying is that if I want to go up in a league I need to get a higher TH level.

And to the other people, thanks I will try going down a few leagues to better match my opponents. The first few days I won nearly all defenses, but now I've lost all since maybe a week.

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The reason why someone with a higher TH gets so many trophies for beating you is because you have a relatively weak base given your trophy level. It means that someone with a lower trophy count can easily beat you. The match-making process will ensure that you arn't getting matched against people wildly out of your trophy league. Therefore, if you are getting attached by players with very low trophys it's probably due to a revenge attack on your base, which you easily lost due to your lack of defense.

The reason why you only win a couple trophys when you beat other players is because their trophy count is less then yours. So, what does this mean? It means that you routinely only beat players with lower trophy counts (hence why you only get a couple trophys) because your army either isn't strong enough to beat better players or you lack experience. Therefore, when you lose, you're going to lose a lot. Take a look at the table below.

If you are continually losing a lot of trophies by being 3-starred, that means your trophy level is inflated compared to your defenses. If you dropped down to say the 800 level, I doubt you'll be 3 starred as much. Plus, you'll probabably find bases more comparable to yourself where you can farm and improve upon your offensive strategies. The reason why people are being hostile toward you is because you are being somewhat hostile yourself by complaining and acting the victim vs. taking the time to study the trophy/match-making process, which can be easily found by a simple google search.

	Win	Lose
Enemy with more trophies than you	You win a lot of trophies	You lose only a few trophies
Enemy with less trophies than you	You win only a few trophies	You lose a lot of trophies

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Originally Posted by Qliver

It seems most people misunderstood what my biggest beef with the game was, it's not reasonable for me how the won/lost trophies are scaled, just doesn't feel right that someone with a few tiers higher TH gets 33 trophies for pwning me, while it can be the opposite situation when I'm the attacker. Also, I didn't know that the league should be proportional to the TH level, if that's the case then why even have leagues, just the player level would be enough. If low TH level means lower league, then it sounds to me like there is no skill involved. Because what some of you are saying is that if I want to go up in a league I need to get a higher TH level.

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You have to think of TH level as completely separate from trophies. Technically any TH level can obtain any trophy level. Higher TH levels have access to more powerful troops/spells/defense/etc. So obviously they have the ability to more easily climb trophies. If you want to keep progressing, you need to upgrade your TH level to access the upgrades. "Skill" definitely exists, but you are limited by your TH level.

Player level (separate from TH level) is increased by donations and generally seen as a poor metric to judge the strength of anyone.

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Originally Posted by Pete82

You have to think of TH level as completely separate from trophies. Technically any TH level can obtain any trophy level. Higher TH levels have access to more powerful troops/spells/defense/etc. So obviously they have the ability to more easily climb trophies. If you want to keep progressing, you need to upgrade your TH level to access the upgrades. "Skill" definitely exists, but you are limited by your TH level.

Player level (separate from TH level) is increased by donations and generally seen as a poor metric to judge the strength of anyone.

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However, one shouldn't upgrade their TH level simply to access the better troops. It's better to farm at a lower trophy level and max their current TH defenses before proceeding. While experience level isn't a great metric at evaluating strength, it still helps parse out weaker players. TH10 with 80 experience is much, much weaker than a TH10 with 120 experience. Donating only goes so far.

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Originally Posted by Qliver

I never said I hate the game, of course I wouldn't be playing it otherwise. Some people need to lose their hostility on this forum...

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People responded in a hostile manner due to your somewhat ignorant opinion of what you feel is wrong with the game. It's not entirely your fault, the way Supercell pushes the game is that the "proper" way to play is to protect your TH at all costs, and to strive for the highest trophy count possible. People on the forums know better; they know that resource farming and resource protection is the heavily favored way to play the game (trophy pushing can be fun too, but only in short-term spurts. The main goal should be farming to efficiently build your offense/defense). So when you say it's unfair, you just haven't seen what most others above your TH level have come to know - that it is indeed the fairest way they possibly can do matchmaking.

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Originally Posted by Qliver

I didn't know that the league should be proportional to the TH level, if that's the case then why even have leagues, just the player level would be enough.

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This is false. TH is totally separate from league determination and matchmaking. It's all about trophies for leagues and matchmaking.

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Originally Posted by Qliver

some of you are saying is that if I want to go up in a league I need to get a higher TH level.

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Yes and no. If you want to SURVIVE defensive attacks and if you want to raid more effectively, you should raise your TH level but only when your base it ready for it. This is where ppl warn others of the ill effects of upgrading ones TH too prematurely and how there is a loot penalty that exists that will make it harder for you to earn resources if you have a higher TH level than your defense and offense would reflect.